Islam & women's hair

[Nikki Sahagin]

My lungs are my sole property but if I smoke in public I will affect other people... similarly, a woman's body is hers but when revealed it affects men and women around her... Its not just about men. If women dressed properly other women would not be obsessed with their body image, they will not starve themselves, and constantly worry about their sizes. Nowadays women feel like they have to look like models, be skinny, tall and all. The more women reveal of themselves the more of an object they become, the more men will focus on their physique.

 

Yes but smoking is different from a natural human body. If not for the invention of clothes, human beings would walk around naked anyway. The human body is often demonised. There is nothing sinful or shameful about a naked body - only in the way we project our own shameful thinking upon it. We aren't talking about a woman walking around naked, we are talking about a woman dressing conservatively. Why must a woman be covered to be protected? Why can she not simply dress appropriately? And is it appropriate for men to dictate what is appropriate for a woman to wear?

 

The issue with women s body image is always to do with a mental or emotional issue and the solution is not to be shameful or embarrassed of our bodies. As I said before, its not about being naked in public, it is about being dignified and conservative in how you dress. But covering up, just like walking naked, is a form of extremism.

 

Women also objectify the male body (perhaps to a lesser degree) but men do not cover themselves from head to toe. Men too, suffer from body dysmorphia and self-esteem issues. These are mental and emotional problems. The root does not lie in the physical body.

[Nikki Sahagin]

Rashad, whilst I do respect the differences in our opinions, I will never accept that many of the enforced rules that all religions inflict upon people are necessary or right. I think true religion has been distorted and used by many to control or spread fear. The problem does not lie in the exposing of a woman's body but in the civilised man learning control and respect.

 

As a woman your own opinion of your body is very different to what a man may think of your body. I do not see why that must become the woman's problem.

[The Collector]

Let the women run free and half-naked, we can handle it I promise x

[Disillusioned]

Men too, suffer from body dysmorphia and self-esteem issues.

 

Darn tootin'! Why do you think the most sure-fire way to insult a promiscuous man is to belittle the size of his John Thomas? How is a man supposed to insult a woman in kind... by saying her ovaries are dried up? Yeah, right.

 

Let the women run free and half-naked, we can handle it I promise x

 

It works for skyclad covens!

[Rashad]

Yes but smoking is different from a natural human body. If not for the invention of clothes, human beings would walk around naked anyway. The human body is often demonised. There is nothing sinful or shameful about a naked body - only in the way we project our own shameful thinking upon it. We aren't talking about a woman walking around naked, we are talking about a woman dressing conservatively. Why must a woman be covered to be protected? Why can she not simply dress appropriately? And is it appropriate for men to dictate what is appropriate for a woman to wear?

 

The issue with women s body image is always to do with a mental or emotional issue and the solution is not to be shameful or embarrassed of our bodies. As I said before, its not about being naked in public, it is about being dignified and conservative in how you dress. But covering up, just like walking naked, is a form of extremism.

 

Women also objectify the male body (perhaps to a lesser degree) but men do not cover themselves from head to toe. Men too, suffer from body dysmorphia and self-esteem issues. These are mental and emotional problems. The root does not lie in the physical body.

The Quran does not ask women to cover up because of shame, and it does not demonize the human body in fact the Quran says.

Quran 95:04

4. We have certainly created mankind in the best of stature

However not just because something is hidden doesn't make it shameful, in fact we hide everything that is too valuable... money, jewelery and so on. Just because we keep our money i a safe doesn't mean that we are ashamed of being rich.

Also, Muslim women believe that Allah dictated what women should wear, it was not dictated by MEN.

[TaraMaiden]

No. It was dictated to a man (allegedly).

But you know, some guys can be so hard of hearing, and do occasionally make it up as they go along.

 

It's called selective deafness/hearing..... very common, I think you'll find... in anyone.

[Taramere]

There is something sinister about asking a woman to cover her body??

Go through this forum and read the threads. If women dressed properly half of these problems would disappear, the other half is on men to respect themselves. Would you hit on a girl that's covered up? would you worry about your pretty sexy wife if she was covered up?

 

I'm sure Mel Gibson would agree with you.

[Nikki Sahagin]

The Quran does not ask women to cover up because of shame, and it does not demonize the human body in fact the Quran says.

However not just because something is hidden doesn't make it shameful, in fact we hide everything that is too valuable... money, jewelery and so on. Just because we keep our money i a safe doesn't mean that we are ashamed of being rich.

Also, Muslim women believe that Allah dictated what women should wear, it was not dictated by MEN.

 

The Quaran may not have explicitly intended for women to be covered because of shame, but that doesn't change the fact that many practitioners of Islam impose a sense of shame onto women about their bodies. I will never understand or accept that a human body should be hidden.

 

It also doesn't explain why the female FACE must be hidden.

[Rashad]

The Quaran may not have explicitly intended for women to be covered because of shame, but that doesn't change the fact that many practitioners of Islam impose a sense of shame onto women about their bodies. I will never understand or accept that a human body should be hidden.

 

It also doesn't explain why the female FACE must be hidden.

The Quran does not say that neither. The covering of the face was a pre-Islamic tradition in Arabia, in fact women are obliged to reveal their faces when praying in Islam.

Here you go...

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2986661#post2986661

Read post #63.

[Nikki Sahagin]

The Quran does not say that neither. The covering of the face was a pre-Islamic tradition in Arabia, in fact women are obliged to reveal their faces when praying in Islam.

Here you go...

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2986661#post2986661

Read post #63.

 

Thanks for illuminating that matter. Where does the tradition originate from? And why?

[Rashad]

Thanks for illuminating that matter. Where does the tradition originate from? And why?

Its an Arab tradition... I don't know its origins, but Arabs had very disturbing traditions concerning women. For example they hated giving birth to females, it was considered shameful and it was common for a father to bury his daughter alive, specially if she was the first born. Islam forbade that.

 

Quran 81:8-9

8. And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked

9. For what sin was she killed?

Quran 16:58-59

58. And when one of them is informed of [the birth of] a female, his face becomes dark, and he suppresses grief.

59. He hides himself from the people because of the ill of which he has been informed. Should he keep it in humiliation or bury it in the ground? Unquestionably, evil is what they decide.

Quran 06:140

140. Those will have lost who killed their children in foolishness without knowledge and prohibited what Allah had provided for them, inventing untruth about Allah. They have gone astray and were not [rightly] guided.

These are a few verses condemning the killing of females in particular and children in general.

In fact if it wasn't for Islam, Arabia would have been a lawless jungle. Read about its history... they had no civilization no nothing prior to Islam and that's all due to their ignorant traditions. Some scholars believe that Allah chose Mohammad PBUH to be an Arab because they were the most ignorant people of their time and they needed guidance the most. That and the fact that the Arabic language is extremely expressive, so the Quran had to be in Arabic. In Islam the era before Islam in Arabia is known as "The era of ignorance"

[Disillusioned]

It's called selective deafness/hearing..... very common, I think you'll find... in anyone.

 

My late grandmother was a perfect example (and some of her repetitions of things she heard selectively were pretty bizarre).