Genuine Classy Lady or a Retired Jump Off?

[caramel c]

I don't encourage or condone double standards. Like I've been saying (and to which neither you or anyone else has actually responded to adequately), the differences in general attitudes between male and female promiscuity is not a true double standard. It would only be a double standard if all the facts between the two parties remain consistent. Considering that meerkat's original example is a pretty accurate description of the differences between male and female ease of access of sex, it's obvious that the facts between the two parties are not consistent. Is the OP right to look down on people who behave the same way as him as inferior or broken people? No. This non-double standard is not an excuse for these types of beliefs, and these beliefs are not really even justifiable by the non-double standard if you think about it.

 

Interesting, then I agree its not even a double standard because the facts between the two parties are inconsistent.

[meerkat stew]

Sally4sara, where, other than the post necro thing, have I defended OP's position in any way? Why do you keep up with that, have never addressed OP's personal preference AT ALL in this thread.

 

All I've stated in this thread are 1) my own position on dating promiscuous women, and 2) claiming double standards for men and women in this respect is based on an apples to oranges comparison of how men and women seek and obtain sex, so the supposed "double standard" has no real foundation, and 3) women are more critical of women's sex practices generally than men are; men learn to judge women as sluts from women, not men. That's it.

 

No idea why you keep saying I am defending OP or his position. I am pretty sure that if it isn't 1, 2 or 3 above, or directly derivative of them, I didn't say it in this thread.

[meerkat stew]

Is the OP right to look down on people who behave the same way as him as inferior or broken people? No.

 

It's so refreshing that someone in this thread is capable of separating this out from my various analogies as opposed to running down blind allies.

 

If I ever make a billion dollars, I am going to spend some of it putting basic logic textbooks in motels next to the Gideons Bible.

[Woggle]

Can everybody at least agree that it is not smart for people of either gender to date known players?

[Stockalone]

Sure hope that when, to add insult to injury, the person who digs up the post -lies- pretty obviously about "just happening to remember" a year and a half old post so as not to appear that they are "witch-hunting" you, that you will still think that's "ferreting out the unvarnished truth."

 

I judge people, I never made a secret about that and I don't mind being judged myself. However, it seems you have no problem judging others, but expect to be given the benefit of the doubt by others. I find that strange.

 

 

Then when they take the dug up necro post, plop it in a thread, and deem you unworthy of discussion without offering you the opportunity to explain or reconcile it, that you will still think that's "ferreting out the unvarnished truth."

 

I think the OP is promiscuous (thus a male slut) and a hypocrit. And I have made that clear already. I've also read your explanation about why it shouldn't be considered a double standard and I don't agree with you. What's there to further discuss?

 

 

Finally, upon your volunteering a reasonable explanation, and that your stance has changed, when they kind of "half-acknowledge" your right to change your position over a year and a half, then offer a kind of wishy-washy further condemnation without really just coming out and saying it, that you will still think that's "ferreting out the unvarnished truth."

 

I never claimed to present the unvarnished truth. I have presented my truth, but I expect (and hope) that people decide for themselves what they want to think.

 

Also, I didn't half-acknowledge the right to change one's opinion. I respect that right and in no way belittle it. However, I can still judge people for the things they do(or believe), or have done(used to believe in).

[meerkat stew]

What's there to further discuss?

 

Nothing I guess, creepy necro guy.

[sally4sara]

Didn't even read the whole necroed post of mine, and don't intend to, but pretty sure this:

 

is not what it says.

 

That IS what it says and while I have my moments of doubt, I'm think your reading comprehension is strong enough to know it.

 

So I agree, there is nothing else to discuss. I see you clearly and it isn't worth it.

[meerkat stew]

That IS what it says

 

You know, thanks for necroing that old post of mine after all, because it illustrates perfectly what is going on in this thread and others like it, time for Professor Meerkat Higgins to hold forth:

 

"Most people do not live by an ethical system, but rather by a self absorbed rationalizing type analysis of "what is best for me" in any given situation... Once they figure out what is the best outcome for their self-interest... they will attempt to "back into" the desired result by rationalizing a completely contorted version of the truth, rewriting history, lying, doing anything possible to reverse engineer into that favorable result for them."

 

Here's how it applies to this thread (be patient lots of buildup):

 

Sally believes that she is a "good girl" and likes to think of herself also as "old-fashioned" because she lets men buy her drinks and pay for dates. Like many of her friends, Sally parties and sometimes cuts loose at the clubs. One Saturday night, Sally decides to do an impromptu striptease at a club that happens to have a pole on the dance floor. She strips down to bra and panties, does a hoochie dance, and collects lots of dollar bills. She then goes around the room giving "grind dance fake blowjobs" to a line of different men. These fun, carefree behaviors of Sally's escalate later, until she wakes up mid day the next day and realizes she in fact gave three guys "real" blowjobs on the dance floor, let some other guy screw her on the hood of his car while a buddy filmed it, and then let the band and roadies pull a train on her as they loaded their equipment. Her phone is ringing off the hook with people wanting to know if she's the girl in the youtube video "carhood skank" that has gotten 3 million views so far and hasn't been yanked.

 

She calls three of her "yes men" GFs, who assure her that she is still a good girl, that she's just been having a "wild, fun phase" for the last 15 years, and trying to find herself, and that any bad ole MAN who looks down on her is just a hypocrite because he would have let her suck his d_ck, would have banged her on the car, or would have joined the train. Sally, consoled, goes out the next night and does a different version of the same thing again. She repeats that on Thursday night, and again all the next weekend. In fact, for a solid month, she repeats a similar scenario 2-3 times a week as she has for several months if not years.

 

That same night crosstown, Dick, a good-looking average fellow, approached five different women and asked them to dance at a different club. Two said yes, three said no. One of the women he danced with wanted nothing further to do with him, the other though was interested in talking to him, they ended up leaving together to Dick's place and in bed. After seeing her out, Dick met a cute neighbor in the hall by coincidence on the way back to his place. She asked Dick if she could talk for a minute, he asked her in, and she proceeded to tell about a harsh breakup she'd just been through. After drinking and hugging a bit, she said she really didn't want to sleep alone, and lo and behold they end up in bed. The next morning she left. Dick went down to get some breakfast and ran into an ex jogging. She stopped and chatted, one thing led to another, and they end up back in Dick's place in bed.

 

Dick picks up the phone, calls everyone he knows on Earth, even his dad. "I HIT THE LOTTERY! I HIT THE LOTTERY! I HIT THE FRICKIN LOTTERY" and relates his unbelievable tale to all. He goes out that night stoked and confident and approaches TEN women. Five dance with him and he gets two phone numbers. He calls the two numbers three days later and gets VM. Dick also goes out 2-3 times a week for the rest of the month and actually takes a cute bartender home with him and scores near the end of the month. He chalks this up to being one of the best months of his sexual life, Four women in a month, and THREE in one night.

 

Next month, guess what? Dick and Sally meet. Turns out they have some friends in common and that Dick's sister goes to the same clubs Sally frequents. Dick thinks Sally is cute, and gets her phone number. Dick's sister is there, sees this, and literally LEAPS across the bar and physically drags Dick outside.

 

"You will thank me later," as she grabs the phone number from Dick and tears it up. "Bro, I love you to death, but Sally is a SKANK, a hosebag, a total skeeze, crazy as a ****house rat, and I won't have my brother involved with that."

 

"Chill out, Mom!" Dick retorts, "why can't I have some fun?"

 

"Whatever, suit yourself numnuts, you were warned."

 

Dick takes Sally home that night and contracts syphilis from her. He runs into Sally on the weekend at a club, she walks up and grabs his package, he pushes her hand away and says, "No thanks! had my fun but that's that!"

 

Sally relates this later to the "yes man brigade" on the phone. "How dare he?!! What a complete hypocrite! he was right there on top of you himself and now he's too good? Men suck, they are all pigs and can go straight to hell."

 

(OK sorry, here's where my prior necro -really- comes in, in case anyone other than my agent is still reading this):

 

Enter the thread on LS "Genuine Classy Lady or a Retired Jump Off?" OP asks whether guys would date a skank or not.

 

Somewhere far off, a flock of foul beasts sitting on a rock out in the ocean trying to get sailors to crash hears of this thread.

 

"CAWCAWCAWmantoogoodtodateslutthreadalertCAWCAWCAW!"

 

"DEFEND THE SISTERHOOD CAWCAWCAW!" and en masse, the creatures (and some of their court eunuchs and geldings) blaze in on wings of fury toward the thread on LS. "CAWCAWCAW!" sharpening claws, "CAWCAWCAW!" readying cliches, "CAWCAWCAW!"

 

WHAT IS RIGHT?

 

1. They already know it, sure as rain they know it. Sally and her ilk are CRAZY or disturbed, Dick is not. They know how men and women are situated differently in obtaining sex. They know women don't get bad rep -unless- they do crazy stuff like Sally does. They know this, they know women just like Sally, they know men just like Dick. They sit around and issue all manner of vile imprecations against Sally and her behavior whenever they are "in session" because it threatens them; Sally might steal their BFs. They have been griping about Sally and her ilk since the quarterback got his johnson nicked by "Doorknob Doris's" braces in the eighth grade. They know the truth. They know what is right. They would NEVER let their own brother or male friend date Sally without trying to intervene.

 

BUT

 

WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM?

 

2. to agree that there's a difference? to admit that there are some really skanky women out there that they would never let their brother date? or to keep solidarity in that nothing a man says claims or does that rejects a woman for her hair, BO, slatternly behavior, cross eyes or fat ass is acceptable.

 

(fact is that they really truly believe that any time a man rejects a woman for any reason that he's being a hypocrite... unless he rejects a woman... and chooses them instead... that's the -sole- exception, then and then only is it ok... they won't admit this, but it's true... they believe this because it threatens them to even hear of rejection, and though they aren't the ones being rejected, they internalize and personalize EVERYTHING, so it doesn't matter... it's as if they themselves are being rejected).

 

3. Moreover, the "contraband" thread threatens them, because it actually suggests that a woman is to be held accountable for her actions. Can't have that. If Sally is rejected for her outrageous behavior, maybe someday some man will reject -me- for that little -ahem- "wild period" in my life from 2006-2009. (Incidentally guys, any still reading, almost -all- of them other than the cream of the crop top 10% and the religious freaks have -been- Sally, they will never admit it, but they have, never believe otherwise). All of them know this. All of them have friends, or at least acquaintances, who -are- Sally right now today. They may have done it in a foreign country with a bunch of smelly tuque wearing guys named Uve or Wato or Huis or some other crap names, or they may have done it in Vegas or on a cruise, but a lot more of them than you realize have -been- Sally. Many of them are -still- Sally but realize that totally devalues them in the market, so they tone it down a bit, at least until their next trip to EuroDisney.

 

So, they know what is right, ethical, and the real state of the world, yet admitting so presents a dilemma, how to resolve the dilemma?

 

They attempt to "back into" an alternate reality via every trick they can pull out of their dung stained feathers, they rationalize, throw ad hominems, non sequiturs, act stupid, literally everything they can "unthink" of to create a false reality that allows them to feel good about themselves and avoids threat to them. And amazingly IT WORKS (for them anyway, everyone else, even other women, ESPECIALLY other women, see right through it). Women are miraculous animals in that lots of creatures in nature use deception and trickery... men sure as hell do it. Women, though, are singular, in BELIEVING THEIR OWN BS. They are such amazing rationalizers that they can literally self-hypnotize themselves into believing in any reality that suits them. Marlon Perkins never saw anything in nature like the rationalizing power of the modern American woman.

 

To do this, they must -accept- Sally, a woman they have expended countless ire decrying, they must point a finger of blame at Dick, "YOU HYPOCRITE!" when they understand the difference between Dick and Sally completely (as even a small, developmentally challenged child would... with proper visual aids of course). They must accept a completely false state of affairs to rebuild another false state of affairs that is favorable to them. Don't believe this last part? Will prove it. A poster has mentioned over and over that I am somehow supporting OP's position, when until very recently I never have. Why does she do this? Is it possible that her own resonating BS in backing the skanks of the world, when she knows she'd rather tear them to shreds, is causing her subconscious psychic distress and cognitive dissonance and she redirects this by lashing out at me? As the man said, "Believe it or Not."

 

So this thread is a perfect example of "what is best for the poster" beating out "what they know is right" exactly the point of the necroed post of mine.

 

So keep necroing up my old posts. I will enjoy making more posts just like this one in reply.

 

And guys, if anyone finished this, you just graduated from "female-think" 101, a class they don't teach in the womens' studies department for some odd reason, and you didn't even have to pay tuition. I paid 46 years of tuition and didn't graduate the course until a couple of years ago. Hard to believe, but until then, they actually had ole Meerkat snookered.

 

The truth will set you free, guys.

Edited August 11, 2010 by meerkat stew

[caramel c]

Wow! Meerkat I thoroughly read and enjoyed your most recent post and look forward to reading more posts like this in the future. I am truly lol.

 

But then, as I stop laughing and think about it all again its really pretty pathetic. Ya, this is typical girl behavior...unfortunately.

[sally4sara]

Over exaggerated example of ridiculous behavior FOR ANYONE.

 

That's right meerkat, women who are promiscuous by anyone's standard can't be anything but an out of control freak to unheard proportions. What you've described here is something women (or anyone) commonly do and the reaction of the female friends is soooo common. This $h!t is so right it would float.

 

This isn't the extreme example the thread was started to discuss. You know it.

 

If you need to resort to this level of exaggeration to justify your support of someone who lies and uses people, I'd like to point you back to that snippet you authored where you spoke of the lengths low quality people with go to to justify their crap behavior. You're doing it again here.

[meerkat stew]

Normal women don't end up in the position of being evaluated in the way this thread questions. Only the outrageous indiscreet ones get branded. In 2010, women who have lots of normal sexual relationships aren't news. Nobody cares. It's not the 50s. Crazy train-pulling skanks or those who throw themselves randomly at men still are news because the root cause of their behavior makes them dangerous in other ways.

 

But tell you what, with the above -fact- established, come up with a more reasonable scenario than mine that rings more true and more fairly illustrates your position. I'm all ears.

 

Or better yet, stop necroing posts, and I won't have to spend so much time making you look silly.

 

Oh, and FYI, I was in a "younger" club on Friday night solo on the way home after an evening out with friends. It was packed to the brim with Sally's, and I got the inspiration for my scenario from the owner of the club, a guy I've known for some time and trust, who told me some truly outrageous stories about women's behavior in his club.

Edited August 11, 2010 by meerkat stew

[SarahRose]

You know, thanks for necroing that old post of mine after all, because it illustrates perfectly what is going on in this thread and others like it, time for Professor Meerkat Higgins to hold forth:

 

"Most people do not live by an ethical system, but rather by a self absorbed rationalizing type analysis of "what is best for me" in any given situation... Once they figure out what is the best outcome for their self-interest... they will attempt to "back into" the desired result by rationalizing a completely contorted version of the truth, rewriting history, lying, doing anything possible to reverse engineer into that favorable result for them."

 

Here's how it applies to this thread (be patient lots of buildup):

 

Sally believes that she is a "good girl" and likes to think of herself also as "old-fashioned" because she lets men buy her drinks and pay for dates. Like many of her friends, Sally parties and sometimes cuts loose at the clubs. One Saturday night, Sally decides to do an impromptu striptease at a club that happens to have a pole on the dance floor. She strips down to bra and panties, does a hoochie dance, and collects lots of dollar bills. She then goes around the room giving "grind dance fake blowjobs" to a line of different men. These fun, carefree behaviors of Sally's escalate later, until she wakes up mid day the next day and realizes she in fact gave three guys "real" blowjobs on the dance floor, let some other guy screw her on the hood of his car while a buddy filmed it, and then let the band and roadies pull a train on her as they loaded their equipment. Her phone is ringing off the hook with people wanting to know if she's the girl in the youtube video "carhood skank" that has gotten 3 million views so far and hasn't been yanked.

 

She calls three of her "yes men" GFs, who assure her that she is still a good girl, that she's just been having a "wild, fun phase" for the last 15 years, and trying to find herself, and that any bad ole MAN who looks down on her is just a hypocrite because he would have let her suck his d_ck, would have banged her on the car, or would have joined the train. Sally, consoled, goes out the next night and does a different version of the same thing again. She repeats that on Thursday night, and again all the next weekend. In fact, for a solid month, she repeats a similar scenario 2-3 times a week as she has for several months if not years.

 

That same night crosstown, Dick, a good-looking average fellow, approached five different women and asked them to dance at a different club. Two said yes, three said no. One of the women he danced with wanted nothing further to do with him, the other though was interested in talking to him, they ended up leaving together to Dick's place and in bed. After seeing her out, Dick met a cute neighbor in the hall by coincidence on the way back to his place. She asked Dick if she could talk for a minute, he asked her in, and she proceeded to tell about a harsh breakup she'd just been through. After drinking and hugging a bit, she said she really didn't want to sleep alone, and lo and behold they end up in bed. The next morning she left. Dick went down to get some breakfast and ran into an ex jogging. She stopped and chatted, one thing led to another, and they end up back in Dick's place in bed.

 

Dick picks up the phone, calls everyone he knows on Earth, even his dad. "I HIT THE LOTTERY! I HIT THE LOTTERY! I HIT THE FRICKIN LOTTERY" and relates his unbelievable tale to all. He goes out that night stoked and confident and approaches TEN women. Five dance with him and he gets two phone numbers. He calls the two numbers three days later and gets VM. Dick also goes out 2-3 times a week for the rest of the month and actually takes a cute bartender home with him and scores near the end of the month. He chalks this up to being one of the best months of his sexual life, Four women in a month, and THREE in one night.

 

Next month, guess what? Dick and Sally meet. Turns out they have some friends in common and that Dick's sister goes to the same clubs Sally frequents. Dick thinks Sally is cute, and gets her phone number. Dick's sister is there, sees this, and literally LEAPS across the bar and physically drags Dick outside.

 

"You will thank me later," as she grabs the phone number from Dick and tears it up. "Bro, I love you to death, but Sally is a SKANK, a hosebag, a total skeeze, crazy as a ****house rat, and I won't have my brother involved with that."

 

"Chill out, Mom!" Dick retorts, "why can't I have some fun?"

 

"Whatever, suit yourself numnuts, you were warned."

 

Dick takes Sally home that night and contracts syphilis from her. He runs into Sally on the weekend at a club, she walks up and grabs his package, he pushes her hand away and says, "No thanks! had my fun but that's that!"

 

Sally relates this later to the "yes man brigade" on the phone. "How dare he?!! What a complete hypocrite! he was right there on top of you himself and now he's too good? Men suck, they are all pigs and can go straight to hell."

 

(OK sorry, here's where my prior necro -really- comes in, in case anyone other than my agent is still reading this):

 

Enter the thread on LS "Genuine Classy Lady or a Retired Jump Off?" OP asks whether guys would date a skank or not.

 

Somewhere far off, a flock of foul beasts sitting on a rock out in the ocean trying to get sailors to crash hears of this thread.

 

"CAWCAWCAWmantoogoodtodateslutthreadalertCAWCAWCAW!"

 

"DEFEND THE SISTERHOOD CAWCAWCAW!" and en masse, the creatures (and some of their court eunuchs and geldings) blaze in on wings of fury toward the thread on LS. "CAWCAWCAW!" sharpening claws, "CAWCAWCAW!" readying cliches, "CAWCAWCAW!"

 

WHAT IS RIGHT?

 

1. They already know it, sure as rain they know it. Sally and her ilk are CRAZY or disturbed, Dick is not. They know how men and women are situated differently in obtaining sex. They know women don't get bad rep -unless- they do crazy stuff like Sally does. They know this, they know women just like Sally, they know men just like Dick. They sit around and issue all manner of vile imprecations against Sally and her behavior whenever they are "in session" because it threatens them; Sally might steal their BFs. They have been griping about Sally and her ilk since the quarterback got his johnson nicked by "Doorknob Doris's" braces in the eighth grade. They know the truth. They know what is right. They would NEVER let their own brother or male friend date Sally without trying to intervene.

 

BUT

 

WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM?

 

2. to agree that there's a difference? to admit that there are some really skanky women out there that they would never let their brother date? or to keep solidarity in that nothing a man says claims or does that rejects a woman for her hair, BO, slatternly behavior, cross eyes or fat ass is acceptable.

 

(fact is that they really truly believe that any time a man rejects a woman for any reason that he's being a hypocrite... unless he rejects a woman... and chooses them instead... that's the -sole- exception, then and then only is it ok... they won't admit this, but it's true... they believe this because it threatens them to even hear of rejection, and though they aren't the ones being rejected, they internalize and personalize EVERYTHING, so it doesn't matter... it's as if they themselves are being rejected).

 

3. Moreover, the "contraband" thread threatens them, because it actually suggests that a woman is to be held accountable for her actions. Can't have that. If Sally is rejected for her outrageous behavior, maybe someday some man will reject -me- for that little -ahem- "wild period" in my life from 2006-2009. (Incidentally guys, any still reading, almost -all- of them other than the cream of the crop top 10% and the religious freaks have -been- Sally, they will never admit it, but they have, never believe otherwise). All of them know this. All of them have friends, or at least acquaintances, who -are- Sally right now today. They may have done it in a foreign country with a bunch of smelly tuque wearing guys named Uve or Wato or Huis or some other crap names, or they may have done it in Vegas or on a cruise, but a lot more of them than you realize have -been- Sally. Many of them are -still- Sally but realize that totally devalues them in the market, so they tone it down a bit, at least until their next trip to EuroDisney.

 

So, they know what is right, ethical, and the real state of the world, yet admitting so presents a dilemma, how to resolve the dilemma?

 

They attempt to "back into" an alternate reality via every trick they can pull out of their dung stained feathers, they rationalize, throw ad hominems, non sequiturs, act stupid, literally everything they can "unthink" of to create a false reality that allows them to feel good about themselves and avoids threat to them. And amazingly IT WORKS (for them anyway, everyone else, even other women, ESPECIALLY other women, see right through it). Women are miraculous animals in that lots of creatures in nature use deception and trickery... men sure as hell do it. Women, though, are singular, in BELIEVING THEIR OWN BS. They are such amazing rationalizers that they can literally self-hypnotize themselves into believing in any reality that suits them. Marlon Perkins never saw anything in nature like the rationalizing power of the modern American woman.

 

To do this, they must -accept- Sally, a woman they have expended countless ire decrying, they must point a finger of blame at Dick, "YOU HYPOCRITE!" when they understand the difference between Dick and Sally completely (as even a small, developmentally challenged child would... with proper visual aids of course). They must accept a completely false state of affairs to rebuild another false state of affairs that is favorable to them. Don't believe this last part? Will prove it. A poster has mentioned over and over that I am somehow supporting OP's position, when until very recently I never have. Why does she do this? Is it possible that her own resonating BS in backing the skanks of the world, when she knows she'd rather tear them to shreds, is causing her subconscious psychic distress and cognitive dissonance and she redirects this by lashing out at me? As the man said, "Believe it or Not."

 

So this thread is a perfect example of "what is best for the poster" beating out "what they know is right" exactly the point of the necroed post of mine.

 

So keep necroing up my old posts. I will enjoy making more posts just like this one in reply.

 

And guys, if anyone finished this, you just graduated from "female-think" 101, a class they don't teach in the womens' studies department for some odd reason, and you didn't even have to pay tuition. I paid 46 years of tuition and didn't graduate the course until a couple of years ago. Hard to believe, but until then, they actually had ole Meerkat snookered.

 

The truth will set you free, guys.

 

Oh come on you are painting the guy as a choir boy who got lucky and her as some drunken drugged up std infested maniac.

 

What if the story was more like his where she met an attractive guy and had a ons and then a week later a new hot neighbor and did him and ended up having 4 guys in a month. She doesn't sound so much like a horrid monster now.

[meerkat stew]

What if the story was more like his where she met an attractive guy and had a ons and then a week later a new hot neighbor and did him and ended up having 4 guys in a month. She doesn't sound so much like a horrid monster now.

 

This thread is about what OP calls a "retired jump off" We all know what this is, and it isn't a woman who meets, dates and sleeps with men in the process of forming relationships, it's a woman with real issues and problems who is brazen, obvious, promiscuous, and throws herself at men compulsively and without self-control. We all know these types, they are not uncommon, in fact these days they are all over the place, and they are not good candidates for relationships.

 

As far as painting the guy as a choirboy, he slept with three women in 24 hours, and yes, got lucky in doing so. I could have had him sleep with more women in 24 hours but that would have been completely absurd unless he was a celebrity or model. Should I have had him rape the women? or dose them with roofies? This thread really isn't about the accountability of criminal men, I don't think anyone would disagree that a sexually criminal man who turned down a woman for her history would be a hypocrite.

Edited August 11, 2010 by meerkat stew

[mr.dream merchant]

Not sure why some posters are upset over this thread lol. To be upset at me for not settling is crazy. Pretty sure everybody knows at least one person they'd have great sex with, but wouldn't date. Meh, it is what it is - some people just need a reason to be unhappy.

 

But to give the easy girls some credit, I don't blame them. I look ****ing fantastic, as a young man should, and I'll keep playing the field until I catch that home run - as a handsome and promising young man should. That is all. You feminists are dismissed.

Edited August 11, 2010 by mr.dream merchant

[elaina]

You live up to the standards you want in a mate.

 

Hello Sally4sara,

 

Wow. Totally agree! That's a great saying!

 

Hello Meerkatstew,

 

I think you're a very interesting man, but it does really bother me how I feel you hate women. Is this feeling inaccurate? Do you hate women? Men and women do generally have a hard time understanding each other. Maybe that old book Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus is true? Maybe all this fighting about this guy's thread is all a big misunderstanding due to communication issues, I don't know.

 

I do totally agree with Sally4sara's saying "You live up to the standards you want in a mate." when she was replying to Stockalone.

 

Is that saying something you disagree to, and if so, why or why not?

 

Mr.DreamMerchant, do you agree or disagree with living up to the standards you want in a mate?

 

Thanks.

[mr.dream merchant]

Hello Sally4sara,

 

Wow. Totally agree! That's a great saying!

 

Hello Meerkatstew,

 

I think you're a very interesting man, but it does really bother me how I feel you hate women. Is this feeling inaccurate? Do you hate women? Men and women do generally have a hard time understanding each other. Maybe that old book Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus is true? Maybe all this fighting about this guy's thread is all a big misunderstanding due to communication issues, I don't know.

 

I do totally agree with Sally4sara's saying "You live up to the standards you want in a mate." when she was replying to Stockalone.

 

Is that saying something you disagree to, and if so, why or why not?

 

Mr.DreamMerchant, do you agree or disagree with living up to the standards you want in a mate?

 

Thanks.

 

I'll actually reply to this response. Warms my heart that it isn't riddled with feminism and anger lol..

 

Living up to the standards in a mate you say? Yes but to a certain degree. Men and women are different, therefore my standards for women will be a bit different than how I view myself.

 

I go to school. I work. I stay in shape. I have goals and ambition. All of those I hold the female accountable for. Those standards are the same. But when it comes to sex, the standards are different. Not because I want to reap all the benefits of being "sexually liberated" but because..for some reason or another - that's just how it is for me. I don't want my mate to be as easy a lay as me. I'd prefer my mate to not smoke marijuana. I'd prefer my mate not to drive with her seatbelt off like I do. Or do 150 mph on I-95. Just because I do things doesn't mean it's right, or that I'd recommend or prefer others to do so as well. Hypocritical? Maybe. But that's just how it is..that's the best I can do in explaining it.

 

Do I hate women? Of course not lol, I love all women of different shapes, sizes and creeds. Of all the people in the world I admire the most, it'd be my mother. She raised my brother and I practically by herself (father was always away on TDY or Duty). She kept us clothed, put food on the table, worked full time and still managed to go to college. She is the strongest person I know. So to call me a woman hater, well that just doesn't equate.

[Katie29]

Of all the people in the world I admire the most, it'd be my mother. She is the strongest person I know. So to call me a woman hater, well that just doesn't equate.

 

 

That sounds like the biggest bull, lol!

[tami-chan]

That sounds like the biggest bull, lol!

 

You don't think he admires his mother? Do you know him?

[Katie29]

You don't think he admires his mother? Do you know him?

 

 

Not with all the other crap hes posted, no I don't.

[elaina]

I'll actually reply to this response. Warms my heart that it isn't riddled with feminism and anger lol..

 

Well, as a woman, I truly understand this anger, to tell you the truth, but yeah ok there's no need to get nasty about it.

 

Living up to the standards in a mate you say? Yes but to a certain degree.

 

Maybe that's where all the misunderstanding is. Many women think that men should not judge women for what they (men) do.

 

Men and women are different,

 

Well, I can't argue with you there!

 

therefore my standards for women will be a bit different than how I view myself.

 

Why? That's something I don't get, except for things like strength or things where women can't do what men can (like lift 100+ lbs - at least I don't think many women can do that) or men can't do what women can (like pregnancy)

 

I go to school. I work. I stay in shape. I have goals and ambition. All of those I hold the female accountable for. Those standards are the same.

 

Perfectly logical and understandable.

 

But when it comes to sex, the standards are different.

 

This is hard for me to understand.

 

Not because I want to reap all the benefits of being "sexually liberated" but because..for some reason or another - that's just how it is for me. I don't want my mate to be as easy a lay as me.

 

Then may I ask why you don't not be as easy?

 

I'd prefer my mate to not smoke marijuana.

 

Why not? Do you think it's harmful to her health? Is it not harmful to your health too? (Hopefully you don't smoke marijuana, unless you have a medical issue where a doctor says it's ok?)

 

I'd prefer my mate not to drive with her seatbelt off like I do. Or do 150 mph on I-95. Just because I do things doesn't mean it's right

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So, basically you want her to be safe, to live within the limits of protection in order to protect her from sexual diseases, harmful substances, and dangerous circumstances, yeah?

 

And you know you aren't being safe. Do you think not being safe and living on the dangerous side, the vida loca is a man thing, whereas being safe is a female trait? (I'm not a shrink, I'm just curious.)

 

or that I'd recommend or prefer others to do so as well. Hypocritical? Maybe. But that's just how it is..that's the best I can do in explaining it.

 

Thanks.

 

Do I hate women? Of course not lol, I love all women of different shapes, sizes and creeds.

 

I didn't mean that way!

 

Of all the people in the world I admire the most, it'd be my mother.

 

That's wonderful!!!

 

She raised my brother and I practically by herself (father was always away on TDY or Duty). She kept us clothed, put food on the table, worked full time and still managed to go to college. She is the strongest person I know.

 

She sounds like a wonderful woman!!! It's great that you respect and love her and admire her. So, do you want a girlfriend who has some of her characteristics, like hardworking, loving, responsible, caring, strong in your ideals that a woman should be strong?

 

So to call me a woman hater, well that just doesn't equate.

 

Sorry I didn't mean to call you a woman hater. I just am telling you honestly you and meerkat and other guys seem to send that vibe by what ya'll say about some women.

 

Anyways, thanks for explaining better. I hope you find the woman that is right for you, but please, when you do, please don't be promiscuous, cause that could hurt her feelings and your relationship if you cheat on her. Faithfulness shouldn't be just a one-way street; faithfulness for both men and women really does help a relationship.

[tami-chan]

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Hello Meerkatstew,

 

I think you're a very interesting man, but it does really bother me how I feel you hate women. Is this feeling inaccurate? Do you hate women? Men and women do generally have a hard time understanding each other. Maybe that old book Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus is true? Maybe all this fighting about this guy's thread is all a big misunderstanding due to communication issues, I don't know.

 

I do totally agree with Sally4sara's saying "You live up to the standards you want in a mate." when she was replying to Stockalone.

 

Is that saying something you disagree to, and if so, why or why not?

 

Mr.DreamMerchant, do you agree or disagree with living up to the standards you want in a mate?

 

Thanks.

 

I do not understand why people do not get what Meerkat Stew and TheBIGQuestion are saying. It is really very simple. Comparing the experiences between the average man and the average woman while assuming that the givens are equal (they are not) is just silly and pointing them out does not mean the person doing the pointing out is a "woman-hater". Not everything can be reduced to or are based on emotions. The position stated by the posters mentioned previously are logical.IMHO.

[mr.dream merchant]

Men and women are different, so I feel that the standards for each gender shouldn't be the same for we are built different biologically. Hormones, emotions, etc.. As for the sex standards, I really cannot explain it other than it's a turn off for me when a woman gets around. But for a male to do it, I really don't see off putting about it. Maybe because I'm not attracted to males? I don't know. That's just the way it is, and how I feel. I think it's normal for a male to have several partners, and I think it's normal for the majority of men to want that, and that being a reality. We're just...built that way you know?

 

Every attractive woman I've seen I've pictured her naked. When I was with my ex, her sister was attractive, and yes, I pictured her naked. Not because I'm a disgusting pervert, lol, and I'm not, it just happens within 2 milliseconds in my head. A quick imagination of what she'd look like naked. Not sure if that helps you with how an individual male's mind thinks. But I'm more than certain a number of other men can vouch for this.

 

For me to not be easy, is like going against the grain. It's just who I am. I'm not a sleezy guy. I just enjoy sex with women I find attractive, and if the opportunity arises for me to lay with them, I will. I do not try to coerce them into it, I show them what I've got to work with, chit chat. If they're down they're down, if not, chalk it up and on to the next one ya know? But easy for me doesn't mean any girl who wants to have sex will get it. There's a certain criteria that must be met. Just like with women and men of their choosing. So I guess I'm easy for a certain kind of woman which is...err...attractive women lol. If I could control, and perhaps lessen my libido I might do it, but naturally it's who I am. I am a sexually active male who won't think twice about laying with an attractive female (if I'm single).

 

With the marijuana, it's also tough to explain. I guess I prefer my mate to stay as safe as possible. I don't know, for some reason I want to protect her. Even if it's from things that I do. Marijuana is harmful to your respiratory system to a degree, and can be potentially dangerous if you're not an experienced user. I've seen some bad cases of women who smoke marijuana, and that's something that I want to shield my mate from.

 

At times I just act on impulse ie. my highway driving. Sometimes I want to push the limits, test the boundaries to their max, get a rush out of things. But if it's a girl I care about, I want to do everything I can within my own abilities to protect her. I'm not gonna play security guard, but I'll definitely voice my opinion and try to coerce her into not doing something if I feel it's hazardous for her. Again, I'm not sure why I'm like this. I just am. Maybe it's instinct?

 

If I met an attractive woman who displayed the strength, integrity, perseverance and class that my mother has, I would melt lol. And I'm pretty sure I'd do whatever I could to make her mine and to stay hers only. :>

[elaina]

Men and women are different, so I feel that the standards for each gender shouldn't be the same for we are built different biologically. Hormones, emotions, etc.. As for the sex standards, I really cannot explain it other than it's a turn off for me when a woman gets around. But for a male to do it, I really don't see off putting about it. Maybe because I'm not attracted to males? I don't know. That's just the way it is, and how I feel. I think it's normal for a male to have several partners, and I think it's normal for the majority of men to want that, and that being a reality. We're just...built that way you know?

 

Hmm. Well, that's hard for many women to accept. I guess for women, many of us are wired to want to be the only beloved lady in our man's life, you know what I mean? So a man having multiple partners just sort of squishes that lovely "fairytale", or whatever you want to call it.

 

Every attractive woman I've seen I've pictured her naked. When I was with my ex, her sister was attractive, and yes, I pictured her naked. Not because I'm a disgusting pervert, lol, and I'm not, it just happens within 2 milliseconds in my head. A quick imagination of what she'd look like naked. Not sure if that helps you with how an individual male's mind thinks. But I'm more than certain a number of other men can vouch for this.

 

I wonder how many men do this? I wonder if women do this too... I don't really, although I do notice handsome guys, but I don't picture them naked. Maybe other women do, but most of my friends talk more about what a guy says or does, though they are sure to mention when a guy they like is cute.

 

For me to not be easy, is like going against the grain. It's just who I am. I'm not a sleezy guy. I just enjoy sex with women I find attractive, and if the opportunity arises for me to lay with them, I will. I do not try to coerce them into it, I show them what I've got to work with, chit chat. If they're down they're down, if not, chalk it up and on to the next one ya know? But easy for me doesn't mean any girl who wants to have sex will get it. There's a certain criteria that must be met. Just like with women and men of their choosing. So I guess I'm easy for a certain kind of woman which is...err...attractive women lol. If I could control, and perhaps lessen my libido I might do it, but naturally it's who I am. I am a sexually active male who won't think twice about laying with an attractive female (if I'm single).

 

With the marijuana, it's also tough to explain. I guess I prefer my mate to stay as safe as possible. I don't know, for some reason I want to protect her. Even if it's from things that I do. Marijuana is harmful to your respiratory system to a degree, and can be potentially dangerous if you're not an experienced user. I've seen some bad cases of women who smoke marijuana, and that's something that I want to shield my mate from.

 

At times I just act on impulse ie. my highway driving. Sometimes I want to push the limits, test the boundaries to their max, get a rush out of things. But if it's a girl I care about, I want to do everything I can within my own abilities to protect her. I'm not gonna play security guard, but I'll definitely voice my opinion and try to coerce her into not doing something if I feel it's hazardous for her. Again, I'm not sure why I'm like this. I just am. Maybe it's instinct?

 

If I met an attractive woman who displayed the strength, integrity, perseverance and class that my mother has, I would melt lol. And I'm pretty sure I'd do whatever I could to make her mine and to stay hers only.

 

Thanks for explaining all that. One thing that is good is that you are honest. I think an honest man is better than a man who tries to say all the right things but doesn't mean half of it.

 

Hopefully someday soon you will meet such a woman, and are faithful to her. I think that's a scary thing to many women: men not being faithful. It hurts.

[Woggle]

I have never cheated on a woman and never will. Women cheat just as much as men do as well. I don't know why men get such a bad rap on this when neither gender has a monopoly.

[tami-chan]

Not with all the other crap hes posted, no I don't.

 

good basis for a conclusion. Awesome