GUYS: How important is weight if a woman has a face you find attractive?

[Els]

The problem is that the "average" adult woman in the U.S. at any rate is medically considered obese. (Men, too.)

 

"Average" doesn't cut it. "Average" doesn't even come close, because "average" is unhealthy.

 

Look at the portion sizes of the typical American diet. It's actually insane.

 

You CANNOT go to a restaurant (I mean a regular one, not a fast food place) anymore and get a hamburger that is LESS than a full half pound of meat, pre cooked. That's an insane amount of caloric overload. Add on a gigantic bun, cheese, bacon, side dishes, beverages, dessert, and people are consuming 4-5x as many calories as they actually need.

 

A coca cola bottle used to be 6 ounces. 8 oz. was the "large" size, 12 oz. was extra large. Now kids are getting 3 litre bottles from Quick Check or 7-11 and guzzling that down as "one soda."

 

So the fact that the average american woman might be a size 12/14/16 doesn't justify being that size, because whatever size is "average" statistically, is reflective of a prevailing culture of sloth, overindulgence, and rampant obesity.

 

....Size 12 is not medically obese, unless maybe you're 4'10" or so. Do you even know what the medical definition of obesity is?

[SarahRose]

you have yet to put up a photo of a non model. you are clueless and I'm done talking to a clueless person. good night.

 

I think the sad and scary part is these guys believe these women really look like that in real life.

 

All the photos he posted were heavily photoshopped and all of them had boob jobs and other obvious cosmetic surgery and hair extension.

[USMCHokie]

Weight is not a big deal for me...

[Els]

I think the sad and scary part is these guys believe these women really look like that in real life.

 

All the photos he posted were heavily photoshopped and all of them had boob jobs and other obvious cosmetic surgery and hair extension.

 

And he thinks http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-418780/The-stunning-size-12-model-branded-fat-TV-competition.html is medically obese.

[SarahRose]

And he thinks http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-418780/The-stunning-size-12-model-branded-fat-TV-competition.html is medically obese.

 

That's ok, they'll be alone with their hand.

[tman666]

I think "overweight" is sometimes in the eyes of the beholder.

 

Bingo. One guy's "fat girl" is another guys supermodel.

 

My girl is very attractive and athletic, but if someone were to judge her physical proportions by her scale weight alone, they would be misled. She's very muscular (coincidentally, she's also my training partner ) and is very "gifted" with naturally good proportions. I would liken her legs to the Brazilian girl posted earlier.

 

One thing that I find extremely attractive about her is her work ethic. I think that this is one of the main thing that would potentially drive me away from dating an overfat woman. In my opinion, there is no excuse for letting oneself get overfat. I hesitate to say overweight because the scale number, as described above, can be very misleading.

[Lorelai]

So the fact that the average american woman might be a size 12/14/16 doesn't justify being that size, because whatever size is "average" statistically, is reflective of a prevailing culture of sloth, overindulgence, and rampant obesity.

 

Weren't you just the one who asked if a person was living in "the village of the obese"? Looks like you answered your own question.

 

And believe it or not, yes, men and women do lose weight differently. For a woman to even have a period, she has to have a body fat percentage that is much higher than what is healthy for a man -- at least 13% to menstruate at all, and some say 22% is required to have regular periods. Some lose their periods at 17%. A man with 22% body fat is very close to obesity, and at 17% would barely be considered physically fit.

 

It's not so much the laws of physics but laws of biology. We're supposed to be able to tolerate a rapidly growing mass of developing cells feeding off of us for nine months, then continue to support it calorically even after that. Our bodies know this and resist things that risk that ability, like weight loss. On the other hand, testosterone allows a man to build more muscle than a woman would doing the same activities.

 

Even if you exclude hormones and just look at physics, a healthy man has a higher lean body mass than a healthy woman who weighs the same amount. He is going to have a higher caloric need than she will -- muscle burns calories just to exist, fat hardly needs any extra calories to maintain. Also, because it's muscle tissue that burns calories during exercise, a person with a higher lean body mass is going to burn more calories doing the same activity as someone who has a higher percentage of body fat.

 

Not unfair, just the way it is.

[Els]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-432939/My-quest-size-zero.html

[USMCHokie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-432939/My-quest-size-zero.html

 

Very interesting article. Thanks.

[somedude81]

The problem is that the "average" adult woman in the U.S. at any rate is medically considered obese. (Men, too.)

 

"Average" doesn't cut it. "Average" doesn't even come close, because "average" is unhealthy.

 

Look at the portion sizes of the typical American diet. It's actually insane.

 

You CANNOT go to a restaurant (I mean a regular one, not a fast food place) anymore and get a hamburger that is LESS than a full half pound of meat, pre cooked. That's an insane amount of caloric overload. Add on a gigantic bun, cheese, bacon, side dishes, beverages, dessert, and people are consuming 4-5x as many calories as they actually need.

 

Healthy weight chart

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/average-weight-and-height-chart.html

 

A coca cola bottle used to be 6 ounces. 8 oz. was the "large" size, 12 oz. was extra large. Now kids are getting 3 litre bottles from Quick Check or 7-11 and guzzling that down as "one soda."

 

So the fact that the average american woman might be a size 12/14/16 doesn't justify being that size, because whatever size is "average" statistically, is reflective of a prevailing culture of sloth, overindulgence, and rampant obesity.

Great post.

 

In a few years the average woman is going to be 180lbs. Anybody who thinks it's acceptable or even to be healthy at that weight is fooling themselves.

 

Relevant article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL0778048620070807

 

 

...The average weight for women 20-74 increased from 140.2 pounds in 1960 to 164.3.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/tallbutfat.htm

 

Average female height is 5'4. So right now the average woman is 5'4, 160lbs. That's ridiculous.

 

Average isn't good enough.

 

Healthy weight chart

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/average-weight-and-height-chart.html

 

No woman under 5'9 should be 160lbs.

 

BTW men aren't doing much better either. Though for some reason it's not as much as a hot button issue as woman's weight is.

 

I'm in the gym hitting the weights 3x a week. On my off days I'm either, running or swimming. I'd expect my woman to have a similar level of fitness and body type that I do.

Edited August 10, 2010 by somedude81

[Sphere]

I think "overweight" is sometimes in the eyes of the beholder.

 

I couldn't disagree more, it's all in the BMI index and of course health experts. Granted a size 12' is not skinny, nor large, a size 16,18,20 are definitely designed for the ever increasing overweight population.

[meerkat stew]

The problem is that the "average" adult woman in the U.S. at any rate is medically considered obese. (Men, too.)

 

"Average" doesn't cut it. "Average" doesn't even come close, because "average" is unhealthy.

 

Look at the portion sizes of the typical American diet. It's actually insane.

 

You CANNOT go to a restaurant (I mean a regular one, not a fast food place) anymore and get a hamburger that is LESS than a full half pound of meat, pre cooked. That's an insane amount of caloric overload. Add on a gigantic bun, cheese, bacon, side dishes, beverages, dessert, and people are consuming 4-5x as many calories as they actually need.

 

A coca cola bottle used to be 6 ounces. 8 oz. was the "large" size, 12 oz. was extra large. Now kids are getting 3 litre bottles from Quick Check or 7-11 and guzzling that down as "one soda."

 

So the fact that the average american woman might be a size 12/14/16 doesn't justify being that size, because whatever size is "average" statistically, is reflective of a prevailing culture of sloth, overindulgence, and rampant obesity.

 

Great post worth requoting in full, cuts to the chase and is applies to men as well as women. Thanks.

 

You know, and I know you are wasting your breath though with much of the audience here, and the subsequent posts bear that out.

 

Everything you post above is completely accurate and well-stated, yet they aren't going to agree and say, "you have a point!" or even agree with part and disagree with part. They are going to rationalize and "talk at or around" the issue until they feel they have explained it away, point a finger of blame away from themselves at some other poster or some societal condition, insult you directly for interjecting reality into their "my little pony fantasy land," or most likely, pick a tiny portion of your post take it out of context, and set up an obvious straw man.

 

It's the same at the gym. About 70% men, 30% women to start with (telling). A tiny percentage of women go to the classes and stick to it and end up meeting their goals (admirable). The rest of them meander around in there doing little real exercise, just waddling around among the men (with their own issues "giant chest and arms-chicken leg boy" for example, at least they are trying though) for half an hour, and then say "well I'm working so hard but I'm just one of those people who can't lose weight! It's genetic! If you don't accept me as I am, Mr. Man, you are just shallow (or worse, the oppressor)." All the while not once breaking a sweat or feeling their heart pound. :lmao: I watch this every time I go to the gym, always some new fat girl whom I know will never be seen in those parts again.

 

I don't approach women at the gym, but when I see the exception to the rule (it happens a few times a year), actually doing real exercise, obviously with goals in mind, sticking to it, day in and day out, not just going to the easy class, sweating her ass off by herself, self-motivated and not being driven by a trainer, starting off with a very unhealthy body, and then getting results gradually, getting a bit more confident, six months later well on the way. I want to go up and marvel at her and find out what country she is from or what planet, and tell her how beautiful, special and rare she is. Tell her how much she has motivated me to stick to my program and fitness goals and thank her for coming to my gym instead of some other one, for allowing me to watch someone change their life for the better through serious effort.

 

One of the coolest things in your life is when you have the rare opportunity to watch someone exert real effort and change their lives right in front of your face. Knowing how good she must feel to go in a store and buy sexy clothes, how hard it was to go to that gym day in and day out, how sore she must have been for weeks at the start, how easy it would have been to watch all the others waddle around doing nada and mimic them. How easy it would have been to give it up and just blame men or anyone other than herself for what she doesn't like about herself in life. But she didn't.

 

The rest go home and eat a box of ice cream sandwiches, log on the internet, come here or even some "fat friendlier" forum, and make posts about how -men- expect women to be perfect and "rail thin," never mentioning that it's not the women men actually like who are rail thin, but the women in the female magazines and the fashion industry who create the unhealthy expectations, neither of which men give a **** about.

 

If there is a thread like this one going, they will scour the net for some fat-ass model that due to lighting, camera angle or some other subterfuge looks almost palatable, and trumpet through cheeto caked lips, "See obese women are beautiful!" (nomnomnom twinkie!) "Accept us as we are or you are just shallow sexist pigs!" (nomnomnom milkshake!) "Men have forced these unrealistic beauty expectations on us for far too long!" (nomnomnom chicken leg!) I love myself (that's obvious) (nomnomnom candy bar!)

 

This post is for that exceptional woman who took accountability on herself, made a plan, and stuck to it for months and months until she met her goals, or at least got close enough. Maybe there's one of those in this thread who can give a motivational speech? Needs to be a woman because men working hard in the gym is nothing unusual. Anyone?

[Ilovecake]

scarlett johansen is a size 12. ...nuff said. i like my women with a little meat! ..but proportioned

 

No she does not. She wears a six I just saw her say that in an article. I'm a size 12 and I've actually stood next to her once, she was tiny compared to me. When Christie Alley was doing the fat actress show she was a size 12.

[Els]

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Everything you post above is completely accurate and well-stated, yet they aren't going to agree and say, "you have a point!" or even agree with part and disagree with part.

 

Get the medical literature out and prove to me that the average size 12 is medically obese or even overweight. Go on.

[somedude81]

Get the medical literature out and prove to me that the average size 12 is medically obese or even overweight. Go on.

Did you even read his post? Though you basically did prove his point.

 

You know, and I know you are wasting your breath though with much of the audience here, and the subsequent posts bear that out.

 

Everything you post above is completely accurate and well-stated, yet they aren't going to agree and say, "you have a point!" or even agree with part and disagree with part. They are going to rationalize and "talk at or around" the issue until they feel they have explained it away, point a finger of blame away from themselves at some other poster or some societal condition, insult you directly for interjecting reality into their "my little pony fantasy land," or most likely, pick a tiny portion of your post take it out of context, and set up an obvious straw man.

 

BTW he never once mentioned sizes...

 

This may be hard to believe, but most men do not know anything about sizes. When you talk about size 12 or whatever, it doesn't mean anything.

[Els]

The problem is that the "average" adult woman in the U.S. at any rate is medically considered obese. (Men, too.)

 

"Average" doesn't cut it. "Average" doesn't even come close, because "average" is unhealthy.

 

Look at the portion sizes of the typical American diet. It's actually insane.

 

You CANNOT go to a restaurant (I mean a regular one, not a fast food place) anymore and get a hamburger that is LESS than a full half pound of meat, pre cooked. That's an insane amount of caloric overload. Add on a gigantic bun, cheese, bacon, side dishes, beverages, dessert, and people are consuming 4-5x as many calories as they actually need.

 

A coca cola bottle used to be 6 ounces. 8 oz. was the "large" size, 12 oz. was extra large. Now kids are getting 3 litre bottles from Quick Check or 7-11 and guzzling that down as "one soda."

 

So the fact that the average american woman might be a size 12/14/16 doesn't justify being that size, because whatever size is "average" statistically, is reflective of a prevailing culture of sloth, overindulgence, and rampant obesity.

 

If you don't know what a size means, perhaps don't mention it then?

[AD1980]

Stop the whining we all have preferences in a partner

 

And to you women who say how hard it is to lose weight how about we switch places..You become a short Man and try to become taller ill become an overweight women and try to lose weight..

 

Well see who accomplishes their feat first..

[a_woman]

Great post worth requoting in full, cuts to the chase and is applies to men as well as women. Thanks.

 

You know, and I know you are wasting your breath though with much of the audience here, and the subsequent posts bear that out.

 

Everything you post above is completely accurate and well-stated, yet they aren't going to agree and say, "you have a point!" or even agree with part and disagree with part. They are going to rationalize and "talk at or around" the issue until they feel they have explained it away, point a finger of blame away from themselves at some other poster or some societal condition, insult you directly for interjecting reality into their "my little pony fantasy land," or most likely, pick a tiny portion of your post take it out of context, and set up an obvious straw man.

 

It's the same at the gym. About 70% men, 30% women to start with (telling). A tiny percentage of women go to the classes and stick to it and end up meeting their goals (admirable). The rest of them meander around in there doing little real exercise, just waddling around among the men (with their own issues "giant chest and arms-chicken leg boy" for example, at least they are trying though) for half an hour, and then say "well I'm working so hard but I'm just one of those people who can't lose weight! It's genetic! If you don't accept me as I am, Mr. Man, you are just shallow (or worse, the oppressor)." All the while not once breaking a sweat or feeling their heart pound. :lmao: I watch this every time I go to the gym, always some new fat girl whom I know will never be seen in those parts again.

 

I don't approach women at the gym, but when I see the exception to the rule (it happens a few times a year), actually doing real exercise, obviously with goals in mind, sticking to it, day in and day out, not just going to the easy class, sweating her ass off by herself, self-motivated and not being driven by a trainer, starting off with a very unhealthy body, and then getting results gradually, getting a bit more confident, six months later well on the way. I want to go up and marvel at her and find out what country she is from or what planet, and tell her how beautiful, special and rare she is. Tell her how much she has motivated me to stick to my program and fitness goals and thank her for coming to my gym instead of some other one, for allowing me to watch someone change their life for the better through serious effort.

 

One of the coolest things in your life is when you have the rare opportunity to watch someone exert real effort and change their lives right in front of your face. Knowing how good she must feel to go in a store and buy sexy clothes, how hard it was to go to that gym day in and day out, how sore she must have been for weeks at the start, how easy it would have been to watch all the others waddle around doing nada and mimic them. How easy it would have been to give it up and just blame men or anyone other than herself for what she doesn't like about herself in life. But she didn't.

 

The rest go home and eat a box of ice cream sandwiches, log on the internet, come here or even some "fat friendlier" forum, and make posts about how -men- expect women to be perfect and "rail thin," never mentioning that it's not the women men actually like who are rail thin, but the women in the female magazines and the fashion industry who create the unhealthy expectations, neither of which men give a **** about.

 

If there is a thread like this one going, they will scour the net for some fat-ass model that due to lighting, camera angle or some other subterfuge looks almost palatable, and trumpet through cheeto caked lips, "See obese women are beautiful!" (nomnomnom twinkie!) "Accept us as we are or you are just shallow sexist pigs!" (nomnomnom milkshake!) "Men have forced these unrealistic beauty expectations on us for far too long!" (nomnomnom chicken leg!) I love myself (that's obvious) (nomnomnom candy bar!)

 

This post is for that exceptional woman who took accountability on herself, made a plan, and stuck to it for months and months until she met her goals, or at least got close enough. Maybe there's one of those in this thread who can give a motivational speech? Needs to be a woman because men working hard in the gym is nothing unusual. Anyone?

 

Me. I couldn't have put it better myself. I was never really fat but I went through my 20s without any exercise (looked acceptable as I have a small frame by nature ) then went through two crazy years in my early 30s and my weight ballooned.

 

I looked in the mirror one day and felt shame that I had a muffin top and let myself go. I took gym membership out and haven't looked back. I am 38 and have a bikini body. Never had that until I took up sports and I am proud of my toned body.

 

Someone here said you need 22% body fat to have regular periods, I can tell you that's untrue.

[Els]

By the way. 'Average adult Americans are about one inch taller, but nearly a whopping 25 pounds heavier than they were in 1960, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The bad news, says CDC is that average BMI (body mass index, a weight-for-height formula used to measure obesity) has increased among adults from approximately 25 in 1960 to 28 in 2002.' , courtesy of http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/tallbutfat.htm . While 28 is certainly overweight, it is not medically obese either. Do not use medical terms that you have no idea about or quote statistics that you never bothered to pull up.

[mr.dream merchant]

People have personal issues that they let spill out in their "constructive posting" You post about sluts, all the sluts come to crucify you. You post about overweight women. All the overweight women come to crucify you. You post about gold diggers, guess what..here they come. People have preferences, standards, etc that everybody just needs to accept. Some of them may be Double Standards and hypocritical, but that's their personal preference.

[Els]

Preferences are perfectly fine. Disguising them under the facade of 'medical facts' is not.

[AD1980]

Preferences are perfectly fine. Disguising them under the facade of 'medical facts' is not.

 

The op seems to be hostile that most Men arent attracted to overweight women she needs to get over it and realize you cant force attraction

 

As i said all you women whining how hard it is to lose weight lets switch plcaes and see if i can lose the weight before you can grow a few inches

[Els]

And some male posters here seem to insist that they dislike women of a certain size not because of the aesthetics, but because it's 'medically unhealthy'.

[somedude81]

And some male posters here seem to insist that they dislike women of a certain size not because of the aesthetics, but because it's 'medically unhealthy'.

Have you stopped to think that they are doing it to be more politically correct?

 

What sounds better?

 

I'm not interested in heavier women because it's not medically healthy to be obese.

 

Or

 

No fat chicks.

[USMCHokie]

And some male posters here seem to insist that they dislike women of a certain size not because of the aesthetics, but because it's 'medically unhealthy'.

 

It's just a way for men to disguise their preferences under more "noble" intentions...they simply don't want people to think less of them because they find larger women unattractive...