Fantasia and alienation of affection

[sadintexas]

I think AOA laws are slanted which is why they're obsolete or non-existant in most states. I think it's based on religious principles designed to deter infidelity. It provides an avenue for a BS to focus on and go after the person s/he perceives caused the grief. But we all know that person acted far from alone. That person (the OP) is usually just as deceived and led on as the BS is.

 

If that same BS were to divorce her WS, why should an AOA judgment be any higher than what the BS would be entitled to receive from the divorce settlement? The AOA settlements you hear of (which are very few and far between) are often astronomical. It's kinda ridiculous to me.

 

Heck, most states realize that both parties of a marriage contribute to the breakdown and failure of that marriage which is why "no fault" is increasingly becoming the norm for divorcing couples.

 

To answer the original question, regardless of what financial damages I could incur from a law such as this, I violated my own morals and beliefs by entering into an A with a MM. I don't know that the potential for legal or financial repercussions could have swayed me if my own beliefs and conscience failed me at that time. I was not thinking clearly so this is a question I really can't answer.

Edited August 11, 2010 by sadintexas

[NoIDidn't]

I don't think AOA laws have anything to do with religion, just with property. And they generally were only available for use by men when first enacted. A woman was considered property - by her H or even by her father if not married.

 

I don't think religion was the original thought behind the appearance of these laws. Male ego, maybe.

[sadintexas]

I don't think AOA laws have anything to do with religion, just with property. And they generally were only available for use by men when first enacted. A woman was considered property - by her H or even by her father if not married.

 

I don't think religion was the original thought behind the appearance of these laws. Male ego, maybe.

 

According to this marriage.com article you are correct. I would think though, considering how archaic it is, that religion does play a role in certain states maintaining those laws on the books. Ahhh, it's just my opinion but that's my story and I'm stickin to it lol.

 

 

An alienation of affection lawsuit is one in which a spouse can sue a third party if his or her partner leaves the relationship for another person.

To win, an alienation of affection lawsuit needs to prove that:

• Love between the married spouses must have existed.
  
• The marital love must have been alienated and destroyed.
   
  
• The third party's conduct has to be proved to be malicious interference with the marriage relationship.
  

Most [COLOR=#3366cc]states in the United States[/COLOR] have abolished this type of lawsuit as it is considered to be archaic and an unacceptable form of revenge.

 

Historically, the alienation of affection law was based on the belief that a wife was the property of her husband. Therefore, when a woman was emotionally or sexually involved with another man, she was considered to have been stolen.

 

Those who want the alienation of affection laws to remain believe that alienation of affection lawsuits protect traditional marriage.

 

Also Known As:

• Criminal Conversation
  
• Heart Balm Torts
  
• Revenge
  
• Spousal Theft
  

[pureinheart]

Just curious if the OM OW would continue with their affair if they were in a state that has this law. Fantasia stands to lose everything for her affair, so I am wondering if others in her situation would have these affairs if you stood to lose everthing. Cant remember the names of the couple this happened to before but the mistress had to pay the wife 9 million dollars.

 

I would love to know if the STBexW would sue if it wasn't a celebrity....

[pureinheart]

True, the list is endless. Always has been, always will be.

 

I knew exactly who you were talking about from the title of the thread. She doesn't have to use her last name.

 

I'm with Woggle. Punish the H who cheated on his W because it was he who took the vows.

 

She'll get more work from this publicity and she and MM will ride into the sunset off the $$$ she'll make on it.

 

I hope she does get a lot of work and I feel she is being singled out as tons of people have A's.

 

I am extremely partial where Fantasia is concerned...and makes no difference the reason she is being sued...the girl had been through hell and back prior to her fame...she made a mistake ...period...so why is she getting raked through the coals?

[BB07]

This is from a press release after her suicide attempt. From the way it is worded it sounds as if she thought she was entering a relationship with a separated MM. Ummmmm, how many times has that happened around here before?

 

The press release states "Fantasia believed Mr. Cook when he told her he was not happy in his marriage and his heart was not in it. She believed him when he told her he and Mrs. Cook separated in the late summer of 2009. She believed Mr. Cook when he told her he lived elsewhere. He even took her there. One of Mr. Cook’s most redeeming qualities was his complete devotion to his children. Fantasia fell in love with Mr. Cook and believed that he loved her. Fantasia and Mr. Cook dated on and off for about eleven months.

[bentnotbroken]

I would love to know if the STBexW would sue if it wasn't a celebrity....

 

 

Damn straight because this is a celebrity with financial issues already. It isn't about the money or notoriety, but when you get sex tapes and pics of your spouse with someone else....you could be a little pissed and want someone's head on a platter. But who will ever really know?

[bentnotbroken]

I hope she does get a lot of work and I feel she is being singled out as tons of people have A's.

 

I am extremely partial where Fantasia is concerned...and makes no difference the reason she is being sued...the girl had been through hell and back prior to her fame...she made a mistake ...period...so why is she getting raked through the coals?

 

 

You know that answer as well as I do. The consequences of our actions aren't determined by man, but the good Lord above. The truth is we don't know what Fantasia has or hasn't done in her life to put her in this position. She is a mother who should have shown better judgement than to make a sex tape that could possible be viewed by her child one day...she is a person in the media eye after all.

[JoyDevine]

 

 

Fantasia Barrino is a relative nobody who's had mediocre success. In the US she is a "Z" list celebrity... in Europe she is unknown. We agree to disagree.

 

 

I do not agree. You are wrong.

 

When she was on - and won - American Idol, it was the number one show in America. It was HUGE. She has gone on to have hits played on the radio, the movie... Broadway.

You are, objectively, wrong.

[JoyDevine]

 

I am extremely partial where Fantasia is concerned...and makes no difference the reason she is being sued...the girl had been through hell and back prior to her fame...she made a mistake ...period...so why is she getting raked through the coals?

 

I feel for her too. And I absolutely believe that he told her he was separated and she believed him.

 

A suicide attempt is no joke. Too bad she didn't find this board. I believe it's saved some people in her situation.

[YellowShark]

I do not agree. You are wrong.

 

When she was on - and won - American Idol, it was the number one show in America. It was HUGE. She has gone on to have hits played on the radio, the movie... Broadway.

You are, objectively, wrong.

 

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"Huge?" maybe in America. Not even a blip on the radar EVERYWHERE ELSE in the world. And it's a pretty big planet JoyDevine. No disrespect at all, but it always amazes me how Americans think America is the center of the universe.

 

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[bentnotbroken]

{slight derail}

 

"Huge?" maybe in America. Not even a blip on the radar EVERYWHERE ELSE in the world. And it's a pretty big planet JoyDevine. No disrespect at all, but it always amazes me how Americans think America is the center of the universe.

 

{end derail}

 

 

:laugh:Yes, most of us do. Our ethnocentrism knows no bounds.

[herenow]

I hope she does get a lot of work and I feel she is being singled out as tons of people have A's.

 

I am extremely partial where Fantasia is concerned...and makes no difference the reason she is being sued...the girl had been through hell and back prior to her fame...she made a mistake ...period...so why is she getting raked through the coals?

 

Why? Because she is being forced to take responsibly for her actions. The words she said to the BW (quoted in an earlier post) does not constitute a mistake. It proves that she knew exactly what she was doing.

[herenow]

This is from a press release after her suicide attempt. From the way it is worded it sounds as if she thought she was entering a relationship with a separated MM. Ummmmm, how many times has that happened around here before?

 

The press release states "Fantasia believed Mr. Cook when he told her he was not happy in his marriage and his heart was not in it. She believed him when he told her he and Mrs. Cook separated in the late summer of 2009. She believed Mr. Cook when he told her he lived elsewhere. He even took her there. One of Mr. Cook’s most redeeming qualities was his complete devotion to his children. Fantasia fell in love with Mr. Cook and believed that he loved her. Fantasia and Mr. Cook dated on and off for about eleven months.

 

If this "spin" were true, why would she say what she did to the BW? Publicists and managers have a way of making their clients appear innocent. It's what they get paid for.

[herenow]

I feel for her too. And I absolutely believe that he told her he was separated and she believed him.

 

A suicide attempt is no joke. Too bad she didn't find this board. I believe it's saved some people in her situation.

 

I agree, no joke at all. I hope she gets some help to guide her through this very tough time.

 

However, the BW is not to blame and has every right to deal with her pain her own way. If she chooses to sue, then that is her right in the state she lives in.

[CrayonAngel]

and I wonder if this A would've even happened if she weren't a celebrity. I can almost guarantee that alot of celebrities think they can do what they want and who they want. I think its absolutely hilarious that she is being sued. There is an OW here who thinks the BS in her case overdosed for attention/to get her H back. so maybe thats the case here...just because shes a celebrity doesn't excuse her from this behavior!

[drewsmom]

I was reading a few weeks in my newspaper about laws in different states and countries. It was either china or japan, that if your husband is caught cheating you can kill him as long as its with your bare hands and in public, and the ow you can kill anyway you want.

[herenow]

I was reading a few weeks in my newspaper about laws in different states and countries. It was either china or japan, that if your husband is caught cheating you can kill him as long as its with your bare hands and in public, and the ow you can kill anyway you want.

 

Any YouTube videos of this?

[OWoman]

When she was on - and won - American Idol, it was the number one show in America.

 

{slight derail}

 

"Huge?" maybe in America. Not even a blip on the radar EVERYWHERE ELSE in the world. And it's a pretty big planet JoyDevine. No disrespect at all, but it always amazes me how Americans think America is the center of the universe.

 

{end derail}

 

Hint - the clue's in the name - AMERICAN Idol? The rest of us don't know, and don't care...

 

Incidentally, aside from America and a clutch of Muslim fundamentalist states, is adultery still actually illegal anywhere? It just strikes me as bizarre in this day and age still to have statutes on the books that treat people as property! No wonder so many (US) posters on LS regard their spouses as "goods" that can be "stolen" by a third party...

[Dexter Morgan]

Fantasia stands to lose everything for her affair

 

good....hope so.

[In_Repair]

These laws aren't religious based and I have found no real information to back up the opinionated claim that it is a property issue. If the state viewed you as the property of your spouse, why do they allow you to divorce your owner? Stop trying to put a hillbilly slant on it. Sure, the enforcement of such laws is stretching the power of government a bit, but the idea behind it is sound, at least the way I understand it to be in my state. They are there to deter anyone from interfering in your marriage until a divorce is final.

 

"No fault" does not necessarily mean that it's legal to have affairs, it simply means that your affairs have no bearing on divorce proceedings.

[nadiaj2727]

I can't stand Fantasia's voice/singing but it looks to me like she's in a tough spot. She seems unhappy with her decisions and I can relate to that and wish her healing.

 

I think these kinds of lawsuits are a joke; sue the person who contracted to be faithful to you, not the person he wanted to be with enough to break his contract with you.

 

I think Fantasia probably said what she did out of pain and I think she had a point that the woman's husband did want to be married the right way to her enough anymore if the husband was telling Fantasia he was separated and spending so much time with her or just plain cheating... whatever the case, I think it's clear he didn't want to be faithful to his wife and would rather have been spending his time and energy on Fantasia. So I don't even think she's horrible for saying that or should be sued for saying that; I think she is just human and makes mistakes and hopefully can learn from them because this doesn't seem like a happy situation for anyone.

[sadintexas]

These laws aren't religious based and I have found no real information to back up the opinionated claim that it is a property issue. If the state viewed you as the property of your spouse, why do they allow you to divorce your owner? Stop trying to put a hillbilly slant on it. Sure, the enforcement of such laws is stretching the power of government a bit, but the idea behind it is sound, at least the way I understand it to be in my state. They are there to deter anyone from interfering in your marriage until a divorce is final.

 

"No fault" does not necessarily mean that it's legal to have affairs, it simply means that your affairs have no bearing on divorce proceedings.

 

The origination of the law was based more on the views of ownership. As times evolved so did perceptions and what is acceptable. But as many obsolete and archaic laws remain on the books, so did this one.

 

The affairs don't have bearing on the divorce proceedings because people have realized over time that an affair is not what destroyed the marriage in the first place.

[pureinheart]

You know that answer as well as I do. The consequences of our actions aren't determined by man, but the good Lord above. The truth is we don't know what Fantasia has or hasn't done in her life to put her in this position. She is a mother who should have shown better judgement than to make a sex tape that could possible be viewed by her child one day...she is a person in the media eye after all.

 

Bent, still, my heart goes out to her and would even if it was something other than A.

 

I saw her heart, she has a good heart...sometimes we don't do the best of things and sometimes we screw up REALLY bad. I always get this way when I see a persons heart Bent, it's the way I am, no matter what they've done, will defend them to the end...I know it makes no sense....

[pureinheart]

I can't stand Fantasia's voice/singing but it looks to me like she's in a tough spot. She seems unhappy with her decisions and I can relate to that and wish her healing.

 

I think these kinds of lawsuits are a joke; sue the person who contracted to be faithful to you, not the person he wanted to be with enough to break his contract with you.

 

I think Fantasia probably said what she did out of pain and I think she had a point that the woman's husband did want to be married the right way to her enough anymore if the husband was telling Fantasia he was separated and spending so much time with her or just plain cheating... whatever the case, I think it's clear he didn't want to be faithful to his wife and would rather have been spending his time and energy on Fantasia. So I don't even think she's horrible for saying that or should be sued for saying that; I think she is just human and makes mistakes and hopefully can learn from them because this doesn't seem like a happy situation for anyone.

 

 

Celebrities really get raked...I think it's wrong