Treat them like dirt and they stick to you like mud?

[Fire Salamander]

Reading the first and last page...

 

I've realized listening to a woman's advice on dating has been inversely proportional to my dating success.

 

This is an objective statement, not a subjective one.

 

Women just have good intentions, but bad results (on this particular matter).

[Sphere]

Oh, and me being a strong woman makes me a woman with a penis?

 

Spartan warrior isn't such a good thing for a man to aspire to, maybe Greek God, but one of the less aggressive ones like Apollo.

 

But then I am sensing a lot of insecurity from you, which is one thing that often makes men feel the need to act like a Spartan warrior.

 

Re-read what I posted, I never even mentioned you.

 

Why isn't a Spartan Warrior not something worthy of aspiring too, they were great men and the greatest warriors in the history of the human race.

 

Insecurities? Ha! I am not insecure in the slightest.

 

"Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", SassyKitten.

[Pyro]

I am male and I have gotten advice from both genders and I have had plenty of success.

 

TBH aside from here just about every guy that I ever asked for tips didn't know s*it about pursuing and keeping a quality girl. Some of the best advice I have gotten came from females.

 

Sounds like that those whom are bitter automatically assume that women advice is bad because they hate them.

[Sphere]

 

Sounds like that those whom are bitter automatically assume that women advice is bad because they hate them.

 

Not in my case.

 

I spent numerous times listening to a woman's advice on how to get a woman and none of it worked or best still the woman herself often rejected blokes with the same characteristics she said she desired in a man such as "someone who treats me well".

 

That's when I stopped listening to advice from a woman.

[Mary3]

We are talking about dating here. Seeing things from both perspectives is the most helpful.

 

It's best to see what BOTH men and women say and then make a judgment.

 

Beautifully spoken gamma You are far far beyond in emotional maturity by understanding that you can ask both men and women's perspective and not feel threatened.

 

I cleaned out my DM so you can now leave me a message. With your receptive attitude you should learn alot very quick

[zengirl]

If that's a sly dig at me then I'll have you know, it taken many years to gain confidence, it wasn't an overnight thing. I became confident by confronting my demons.

 

It actually wasn't a sly dig at you. I was just commenting on the phrase. If I were going to criticize you, it'd be pretty obvious. I think we know that from experience, Sphere. I'm not shy.

[Mary3]

lol have you read the game? By the end of it style had 5-6 girlfriends at once. Right now the guy I'm reading has multiple relationships, though I can't tell how many. I would GUESS in the 4-6 range but he seems to really like his "primary".

 

There are others who have just one girlfriend. I remember mystery himself mostly only having one girlfriend.

 

I mean, calling those guys not successful with women is laughable. Telling my "techniques" don't work is pretty ****ing funny too.

 

Also accusing me of treating women like a jerk is pretty funny. Where in here did I outline how I hit on girls.

 

All I said is being a nice guy WILL NEVER WORK. Maybe if you hit on fat slobs of girls it will, but for most guys who are looking for a hot woman just forget "being nice". They've had guys "being EXTRA nice" to them their entire life. They WOULD be better off being complete *******s.

 

Not that you are actually trying to debate anything here. You mostly are angry at me so you decide to personally attack me rather than prove some kind of point or argue against something. It's amazing to me you get this much attention from me. Probably the reason you decide to take such an approach to begin with.

 

" Maybe if you hit on fat slobs of girls it will " What a hateful thing to say coming from a guy who in REAL life has ZERO success with women...

 

I see right through you.

 

I see more than you realize.

 

Drop the charade

 

If you are so successful with women then why do you frequent a post called " Treat them like dirt and they will stick to you like Mud " and have stayed over 300 posts if you are so disgusted with what anyone has to say other than you own twisted thoughts.

 

Why are you here ? You don't need to sit on a forum and tell us the real reason you hate women is because they reject you. Period.

 

You are brainwashed from all those books .

 

I feel your hatred for women. Just like if you stood before me I would feel it.

 

If you said " Hey guys , women are complex but I treat them very well and a take offense to the above title of the this forum. But you don't. I doubt you get much respect in life at least from emotionally healthy women.

[Mary3]

I don't even buy into the PUA thing. That whole culture sort of creeps me out. These guys have no interest in life other than getting laid/. Men need to stop putting so much focus on women anyway. There is more to life than love and getting laid.

 

You just have to read a few threads in this forum right now to see what being a loving and faithful men gets you. There is one right where woman admits to having a great husband but just can't help herself around other men.

I don't know if treating women like dirt is the right word but a man should let a woman no there are consequences to her actions. If she cheats even once he needs to be ready to throw her ass out. A woman has to respect a man in order to be attracted to him.

 

Woggle, women cheating is rare. I don't cheat . My mom and sisters never cheated . None of my friends are cheaters .

 

There are those women that might but the real issue is what kind of women are you picking that they cheat ?

 

People that pick relationships where they get cheated over and over , well something else is happening ....

[Mary3]

Why would you listen to a woman's advice on something you should know immediately? Dating isn't rocket science mate, it just takes an incredibly thick skin and a certain amount of fearlessness.

 

Women in reality often say they want "a decent man", well Gamma you're a decent man, who is nice to people and where has that gotten you? I don't see women swarming over to you, in fact it's the opposite isn't it? They aren't going anywhere near you, should that not tell you something about the advice you are getting from women? The same woman who is giving you advice probably is dating someone who challenges her and who doesn't pander to her every whim.

 

Women say one thing and more often than not do the complete opposite, I have seen it with my own eyes time and time again.

 

Another one of his quotations from BOOKS...

 

gamma you continue to be the incredible insightful person you are and a guarantee you that you will find a wonderful girl

[dispatch3d]

" Maybe if you hit on fat slobs of girls it will " What a hateful thing to say coming from a guy who in REAL life has ZERO success with women...

 

I see right through you.

 

I see more than you realize.

 

Drop the charade

 

If you are so successful with women then why do you frequent a post called " Treat them like dirt and they will stick to you like Mud " and have stayed over 300 posts if you are so disgusted with what anyone has to say other than you own twisted thoughts.

 

Why are you here ? You don't need to sit on a forum and tell us the real reason you hate women is because they reject you. Period.

 

You are brainwashed from all those books .

 

I feel your hatred for women. Just like if you stood before me I would feel it.

 

If you said " Hey guys , women are complex but I treat them very well and a take offense to the above title of the this forum. But you don't. I doubt you get much respect in life at least from emotionally healthy women.

 

hahaha no need to bring out the bold text lady jeezus. Haha **** youa ctually used bold, italisized (spelling wow bad), and underline. Another trick is to use CAPITAL LETTERS FOR NO REASON. For emphasis. All of which is fun.

 

hahaha man enjoyable. I was like she's just going to be all over this the second you quoted it. I read the first few sentences. Funny.

[Sphere]

Another one of his quotations from BOOKS...

 

gamma you continue to be the incredible insightful person you are and a guarantee you that you will find a wonderful girl

 

Another insult? Fantastic.

 

No such information was in the book, I read three years ago.

 

I have learned much from my social encounters than from a book.

 

Gamma asks for advice and you tell him that? Jesus, what terrible advice. He is being him and he hasn't got anywhere from what I gather he is nearly forty, he is a virgin (which must be a confidence crusher) and he has a distinct lack of success. He is looking to you to help him and you tell him that.

 

Gamma needs to change the way he thinks "for if he thinks, he shall become". He needs to change the way he behaves, the way he acts too. He needs confidence, he needs to learn to accept himself and to love him. He needs passions in his life, he needs ambition and then when all of this is complete he will be in a much better position to find a woman.

 

He shouldn't even enter the dating game until he addresses his issues because he is damaged at the moment and as such his dating pool is very small at the moment.

 

He needs to be happy on his own before he can even think about letting a woman in and he needs to change drastically for the better, if he is to ever find a woman.

[zengirl]

Woggle, women cheating is rare. I don't cheat . My mom and sisters never cheated . None of my friends are cheaters .

 

There are those women that might but the real issue is what kind of women are you picking that they cheat ?

 

People that pick relationships where they get cheated over and over , well something else is happening ....

 

I've met just as many men who've been cheated on as women. Sadly neither seems to be what I'd deem rare. Not the majority? Absolutely. But it's sadly not a rarity to find cheaters who are men or women. And the bull**** excuse that women are more likely to do it for emotional reasons are. . . well, bull****. Plenty of the reasons men cheat are more complex than just their desire for sex. And there's no good justification for cheating.

 

I think Woggle likely thinks women cheat more than they do, but I think you've understated it here by calling it "Rare." Most of my female friends haven't cheated either, and I haven't, and none of my family has, but I've known gals that did, and they weren't Evil Bitches you could smell a mile away any more than every man who ever cheated was an Evil Bastard you could smell coming that easily. Some are, of course, but it's more complex than that. I do think you can spot people likely to cheat, especially if you can spot the emotionally unhealthy, but it's not like they wear signs.

 

I've dated several men who've been cheated on in the past, and they weren't bad fellows. They had to adjust their people-pickers (and had already done so before meeting me) but a lot of people get cheated on young when they don't know what the heck they're doing with people. Maybe you've been lucky or you're just too far from that part of your life (no idea how old you are) to remember that it's a process. And, hopefully, one doesn't become embittered, self-hating, and angry at the world in the process. That does bum me out.

[mr.dream merchant]

nahh, don't treat them like dirt, but don't be overly nice either. be polite, attentive, and a gentleman. they'll melt for you.

[Woggle]

Woggle, women cheating is rare. I don't cheat . My mom and sisters never cheated . None of my friends are cheaters .

 

There are those women that might but the real issue is what kind of women are you picking that they cheat ?

 

People that pick relationships where they get cheated over and over , well something else is happening ....

 

Women cheat just as much as men and many women have the attitude that men deserve it.

[zengirl]

Women cheat just as much as men and many women have the attitude that men deserve it.

 

Do you mean the women that are cheating or other women in general viewing the cheating? I'm actually curious here. Because I think it's a distinction to be made. Many people rationalize their own cheating, male and female, by acting like their partner's "deserve" it.

 

I wonder, do you think women who are cheated on (by men) deserve their treatment? You've even gone so far as to refer to yourself as a misogynist at times, so I'm curious.

 

I certainly don't think anyone deserves to be cheated on, but I cannot say there aren't some women who might think so. I'd venture unlucky-in-love and constantly rejected men or women might think plenty of people who go for more-attractive players and such "deserve" to be cheated on. I've heard this attitude before, around here, from men and women. I'd find any woman who expressed the sentiment "He had it coming" just as ugly and disturbing as any man who did. I'm sure both have happened.

[Woggle]

I think that it is both. They have this mentality that men have cheated for years so now it is time for women to get some payback in the name of feminism. I have heard this view expressed quite often.

 

I don't believe women deserve to be cheated on. In my darkest moments I have cheered on players but when I snap out of it I know how wrong they are.

[zengirl]

I think that it is both. They have this mentality that men have cheated for years so now it is time for women to get some payback in the name of feminism. I have heard this view expressed quite often.

 

I don't believe women deserve to be cheated on. In my darkest moments I have cheered on players but when I snap out of it I know how wrong they are.

 

Well, maybe the sentiments you hear -- and I agree that I've heard them too, but rarely by women in my generation and usually only by really damaged people -- are also uttered in dark moments. Too many people are in pain, and it causes loads of ugliness in the world.

 

I agree that is an ugly sentiment. I don't think anyone deserves to be cheated on or mistreated because others of their gender or group or whatnot have behaved badly in the past or present or because of any projections of how they will behave in the future. Hell, I don't even think a cheater deserves to be cheated on.

[Mary3]

Women cheat just as much as men and many women have the attitude that men deserve it.

 

Actually Woggle its not equal: 22% of men have strayed at least once in their marriage .

 

14 % of women have had an affair in their marriage.

 

70% of married women did not know they husbands were cheating and 54 % of married men did not know their wives were cheating

 

17 % of divorces are caused by infidelity.

[Mary3]

I've met just as many men who've been cheated on as women. Sadly neither seems to be what I'd deem rare. Not the majority? Absolutely. But it's sadly not a rarity to find cheaters who are men or women. And the bull**** excuse that women are more likely to do it for emotional reasons are. . . well, bull****. Plenty of the reasons men cheat are more complex than just their desire for sex. And there's no good justification for cheating.

 

I think Woggle likely thinks women cheat more than they do, but I think you've understated it here by calling it "Rare." Most of my female friends haven't cheated either, and I haven't, and none of my family has, but I've known gals that did, and they weren't Evil Bitches you could smell a mile away any more than every man who ever cheated was an Evil Bastard you could smell coming that easily. Some are, of course, but it's more complex than that. I do think you can spot people likely to cheat, especially if you can spot the emotionally unhealthy, but it's not like they wear signs.

 

I've dated several men who've been cheated on in the past, and they weren't bad fellows. They had to adjust their people-pickers (and had already done so before meeting me) but a lot of people get cheated on young when they don't know what the heck they're doing with people. Maybe you've been lucky or you're just too far from that part of your life (no idea how old you are) to remember that it's a process. And, hopefully, one doesn't become embittered, self-hating, and angry at the world in the process. That does bum me out.

 

Here you go : When I was 10 years old this lady lived next door to me. I am going to guess she was around 25 years old.

 

I went over to her house and she was crying. I asked her why , She said " My husband cheated on me " I was speechless and then said I was sorry she got hurt that way . She said " Well, all men cheat " That was a bit confusing to me because I thought , Oh Boy, my adult life guys might cheat.

 

But I never attracted cheaters. My bf's were usually pretty happy and we stayed together and there was alot of trust .

 

But I realize some are with cheaters. I really don"t know why.

 

I do know years later this guy I started going out with told me his wife cheated for 20 years ! Something is very wrong with that...I can't figure it out why some get cheated on and some don't...

 

I say Rare , I guess rare for me in my life. Others who have had it happen don't see the rarity in it at all....

[Mary3]

Another insult? Fantastic.

 

No such information was in the book, I read three years ago.

 

I have learned much from my social encounters than from a book.

 

Gamma asks for advice and you tell him that? Jesus, what terrible advice. He is being him and he hasn't got anywhere from what I gather he is nearly forty, he is a virgin (which must be a confidence crusher) and he has a distinct lack of success. He is looking to you to help him and you tell him that.

 

Gamma needs to change the way he thinks "for if he thinks, he shall become". He needs to change the way he behaves, the way he acts too. He needs confidence, he needs to learn to accept himself and to love him. He needs passions in his life, he needs ambition and then when all of this is complete he will be in a much better position to find a woman.

 

He shouldn't even enter the dating game until he addresses his issues because he is damaged at the moment and as such his dating pool is very small at the moment.

 

He needs to be happy on his own before he can even think about letting a woman in and he needs to change drastically for the better, if he is to ever find a woman.

 

Well gamma is free to ask you or me or anyone here for help. He might find it through friends too..

[Mary3]

hahaha no need to bring out the bold text lady jeezus. Haha **** youa ctually used bold, italisized (spelling wow bad), and underline. Another trick is to use CAPITAL LETTERS FOR NO REASON. For emphasis. All of which is fun.

 

hahaha man enjoyable. I was like she's just going to be all over this the second you quoted it. I read the first few sentences. Funny.

 

I re-read my post and I think I saw one spelling error . Maybe there are more. I have I-8 explorer and there is a typing glitch in the add-ons. You type and it skips and skips. Google that I tried to remove it but it prevents me from doing other things online.

[dispatch3d]

I re-read my post and I think I saw one spelling error . Maybe there are more. I have I-8 explorer and there is a typing glitch in the add-ons. You type and it skips and skips. Google that I tried to remove it but it prevents me from doing other things online.

 

alright we can be friends then. If you wanna become my hate-friend again I'll know when you're doing it (no need to tell me!) .

[Labster12]

One girl I went out (she was Filipino), we were together for 7 months and I never told her I loved her, when she asked me to say it I would say "I admire you" but I never told her I loved her. She would get pissed and all that but I would say "hey, you never said you loved me". She still stuck around, being an a hole can get you somewhere at times, now being abusive can get you sent to a place where it won't be a woman you will be bragging about doing it with.

 

Anyways, answer my thread guys, I need some info.

[zengirl]

Here you go : When I was 10 years old this lady lived next door to me. I am going to guess she was around 25 years old.

 

I went over to her house and she was crying. I asked her why , She said " My husband cheated on me " I was speechless and then said I was sorry she got hurt that way . She said " Well, all men cheat " That was a bit confusing to me because I thought , Oh Boy, my adult life guys might cheat.

 

But I never attracted cheaters. My bf's were usually pretty happy and we stayed together and there was alot of trust .

 

But I realize some are with cheaters. I really don"t know why.

 

I do know years later this guy I started going out with told me his wife cheated for 20 years ! Something is very wrong with that...I can't figure it out why some get cheated on and some don't...

 

I say Rare , I guess rare for me in my life. Others who have had it happen don't see the rarity in it at all....

 

I never attracted cheaters either. But I think to say something is statistically rare it has to be rarely seen by a large population. That's all.

[Woggle]

Actually Woggle its not equal: 22% of men have strayed at least once in their marriage .

 

14 % of women have had an affair in their marriage.

 

70% of married women did not know they husbands were cheating and 54 % of married men did not know their wives were cheating

 

17 % of divorces are caused by infidelity.

 

Those statistics must be outdated. Most women I know would cheat in a heartbeat if they had the chance to do it and get away with it.

 

There are exceptions of course and maybe I just happen to have been unlucky enough to be around some bad women.

Edited August 19, 2010 by Woggle