Treat them like dirt and they stick to you like mud?

[zengirl]

I think this is about what you believe. you think that women are out there to use you and abuse you and you focus on that, this attitude will come and bite you on the butt in the end. if you are negative and surround yourself with people that justify that negativity and are as lost as yourself, you will end up in a very unhealthy place.

 

the example of the bbq in dispatch's post after he had a pizza: if I got texts like that they would not even disrupt my day for 5 seconds because they are just noise and they aren't something that I would even remember 2 hours later, let alone post about on an internet board.

 

what we filter out as important in our lives and the attitude we take are very much our own choice. the expression 'self-fulfilling prophecy' comes to mind.

 

Very true. I find health and happiness seems to seek health and happiness, so it all works out.

[zengirl]

I can agree with someone on their choice of music and no problem. It seems like when I say I prefer something off they hear "you hate my muic". I don't know why, but sometimes things come out in a different tone of voice than I intend.

 

People do get angry a lot when I have different opinions on something so I just shut up about my opinions on most things. I have opinions on everything, but I hide them becuase I don't want someone to blow up in my face.

 

None of dating comes naturally at all. I have to think about every tiny detail or I mess up.

 

Can you give an example of when this has happened?

 

I definitely think you overthink gamma, but I know that's hard to stop doing.

[Mary3]

How and why does this work? Seems like when I'm nice to any woman I want to sleep with she loses interest. But the ones I ignore and treat ****ty want me.

 

What's the proper way to use this on women?

 

I didn't go through the 11 pages of posts ..

 

The : " When I want to sleep with her she loses interest " told me everything I needed to know.

 

She is not interested in removing your jeans and finding out what's inside....

[Cracker Jack]

Can someone please define being an "ass?"

 

I understand this is supposedly a good technique when it comes to dating, but it just seems silly at the end of the day. I'm not even a "nice guy" like that, but I'm certainly not an a-hole. And if that's really required to win someone over, is it worth it? Doubt it.

[AverageJoe]

Can someone please define being an "ass?"

 

I understand this is supposedly a good technique when it comes to dating, but it just seems silly at the end of the day. I'm not even a "nice guy" like that, but I'm certainly not an a-hole. And if that's really required to win someone over, is it worth it? Doubt it.

 

 

Dont knock it until you have tried it.

 

I think some women here think it involves being rude, obnoxious, degrading, being a complete *******. Which is really not the case. Backhanded complements work just as well too.

 

Treat them like they are a brats and have fun with it. Then have the confidence to know that you can walk away at a moments notice with, or without them. Then make sure you back it up.

[somedude81]

I'm a nice guy. Not a pushover or a doormat. I'm mostly respectful and don't try to cause trouble or hurt people. My biggest failing with women is a lack of confidence due to poor experiences and a fear of taking physical intimate risks.

 

The women I've spent time with, most likely see this and then I get placed in the friendzone.

To put it more bluntly this is how I think:

 

Not attracted to the guy and he is a jerk = won't date him at all

 

Not attracted to the guy and he is nice = will date him for a short while to see if attraction will develop

 

Attracted + he is a jerk = will date him for a short while then leave when his jerkiness becomes obvious.

 

Attracted + nice guy = WIN, will have a LTR. Rainbows and bunnies

This caught my attention.

 

First of all, I assume that attracted means that the guy is very good looking. I've read many posts by girls on here who say that they don't find most guys attractive and that it's a very rare occurrence to be attracted to a guy. This basically means that the average guy is not attractive, he's average. I'd say that only about 15% of men are good looking enough to be called attractive.

 

Moving on to the next part, it seems a girl will date a nice guy that she's not attracted to and hope for a "spark" to develop. What this spark is, I have no idea. If no spark happens after some time period, how long I do not know, she will leave him for another guy or just dump the dude.

 

Another thought came to mind. Is the girl more likely to have sex with the attractive jerk she's dating vs the average nice guy? If that's the case, will she purposely withhold sex from the nice guy?

[Sphere]

Balance.

 

Balance is all you need.

 

Don't be nice, don't be nasty, strike a balance between the them.

 

Hold your ground, fight for your corner, do not be changed, do not change.

 

Strive for the centre ground. Neither extreme is necessary or needed.

 

Short term solutions are conjured up on the extreme ends of the spectrums. Long term solutions come from the centre, it's all about balance in this life.

[Mary3]

Dont knock it until you have tried it.

 

I think some women here think it involves being rude, obnoxious, degrading, being a complete *******. Which is really not the case. Backhanded complements work just as well too.

 

Treat them like they are a brats and have fun with it. Then have the confidence to know that you can walk away at a moments notice with, or without them. Then make sure you back it up.

 

You can have it sugar-coated or you can have the truth : Which do you prefer ?

[Sphere]

I won't date a lot of women at once and I don't think I can completely change my personality. The type of guys you describe I won't even talk to in real life. Maybe this explains why I don't have a large number of other males who are friends.

 

Your inferior complex is something of grave wonder. I'm nearly two decades younger than you and yet for some reason, I've got more experience and men like me receive abuse from men like you, for your own shortcomings.

 

Denial isn't a river in Egypt, but you're half way up the creek without an oar and time is running out for you my friend.

 

Every car has it's day and yours is fasting approaching, unless, you change the way you think about your world and everything that's in it.

[Mary3]

Balance.

 

Balance is all you need.

 

Don't be nice, don't be nasty, strike a balance between the them.

 

Hold your ground, fight for your corner, do not be changed, do not change.

 

Strive for the centre ground. Neither extreme is necessary or needed.

 

Short term solutions are conjured up on the extreme ends of the spectrums. Long term solutions come from the centre, it's all about balance in this life.

 

B I N G O !! Balance ! Well said Sphere

[Sphere]

B I N G O !! Balance ! Well said Sphere

 

You see there are nice guys who are doormats, there are jerks who are players and then there's people with common sense, who might well be a bit of a jerk and a bit of nice guy, but the men with sense realizes that in order to have a fruitful life, you must have balance, stability, you must find the centre ground and stamp your mark on it. Not by being dictorial, but by standing your ground where necessary and compromising where necessary.

 

PUA guides are taken too literally by many men and the short term foundations are good, but every car will eventually run out of petrol. In the long term, it is best to realize that women are humans too and no one woman will act think exactly the same as another. So, by finding the centre ground of your world, you become much more well rounded and a better catch.

 

I'm apart of no label, because I'm not nice, I'm not nasty, I'm not a player, but I'm not afraid to embrace my masculinity and sexuality. I encompass everything that makes a human good and bad, but instead of striving to be one or the other, I strive for neither. I'm what you might brand an inbetweener, without actually being one. I sense a conundrum mashed in with a load of potato waffle, so I'm off to watch the Bourne Ultimatium.

[Mary3]

They attract all kinds of women. I see women with successful careers who are well ediucated letting a player just degrade them and then coming back for more while they treat a good man who in many cases they are involved with or even married to like he is chopped liver. It happens time and time again.

 

I am married and I treat her well but I constantly worry if I am making her fall out of love with me. I 2nd gues every time I want to do something special for her and how I am going to be perceived. The marriage at times really does seem too god to be true. Women these don't act like her just because they love a man.

 

You marriage is weak because you live with fear of your prejudice against women.

[MrNate]

You marriage is weak because you live with fear of your prejudice against women.

 

Hey there.

[Mary3]

Like ot or not what dispatch is saying is true. Nearly every man I know who has women craling all over him is an utter scumbag. They treat these girls like toys to be played with yet the women still keep coming back. Meanwhile the men who treat women with respect and are faithful get played left and right. I am sorry but it is true and any man with dating experience knows it is true.

 

And so you do the latter right ?

 

You live in your own little world self created for your hatred of women.

[Mary3]

Hey there.

 

Nate , bro !

[Woggle]

You marriage is weak because you live with fear of your prejudice against women.

 

I lived without fear in my first marriage and look what happened.

[dispatch3d]

I won't date a lot of women at once and I don't think I can completely change my personality. The type of guys you describe I won't even talk to in real life. Maybe this explains why I don't have a large number of other males who are friends.

 

Dude if the worst things the best players did was date more than one girl at once I'd feel a lot better about the world. Wholy **** they do a lot worse. The guy whose posts I'm reading right now is the biggest womanizing ******* I've ever met. I think if I ever adopt all of his beliefs or become exactly what he is I'd want to go to a psychologist and have someone physically stop me from interacting with women.

 

This guy seriously initially just dated the hottest girls. He built himself a harem of 5-7 girls. He would lie cheat and steal to get into a girls pants, and if he DIDNT have to do that he'd ****ing insult her until it was challenging enough for him. He was a badboy-womanizer before he read ANY PUA material so you can just imagine the lowlife kind of human being he became after. He was offensive enough to puas that at least one of them said they would try to prevent girls from sleeping with them if he ever met them - and lol guess what. Even if you ****ing KNEW what he was like, you COULDNT stop these girls from sleeping with him AFTER telling them everything they were all about. He was a master seducer man. It would be like trying to stop casanova - except he's probably better than that - ****ing impossible.

 

Now am I about to adopt this guys view in life that he will NEVER have a steady girlfriend (from his view, why the **** would he only date one bitch. He can date 5 bitches, have total control over his "primary" and if she ever ****s up or doesn't meet ALL of his demands she will get demoted because there are 4 bitches waiting in line to replace her.) I wrote that like he ****ing writes. The answer is no, I don't think like him, I don't want to think exactly like him, and I never ever ever want to do the **** he does. If I ever met someone like that I'd tell them they are a poor excuse for a human being.

 

However, if I want to figure out how to turn on a woman both physically and emotionally, **** there isn't a better source than him. You think a married guy whose dated 5 girls has two CLUES how to be as good as that ****er. Lol what a joke. Not even close. And this is the battle girls fight. The ultimate badboy is the WORST human being you could ever meet but I ****ing gaurentee that chick would love the sex he gives. Which is exactly why he can demand the complete bull**** he wants (100% of a girls attention and if she slips up one ****ing time he walks the hell out. Definitely no commitments and if she expects a long term relationship she is done for).

 

Mind you not all master pickup artists are terrible people. That guy is a special case. And it's all in my view that the things he does and the thoughts he thinks are WRONG.

 

Imagine if you went on a date with stallone (since the expendables just came out). You think he's going to take you out to a fancy diner that costs $150 dollars each, attempt to wow you with all of his marvelous career endevours, etc. etc. You know the standard courting bull****, lets go see a movie? Fat ****ing chance. I can tell by the way that guy ****ing walks and acts he IS a badboy. And btw I'm not interested in guys.

 

To those who say I must be young, the girls are dumb, blablabla maybe stop living in planet fantasy and come see the real world.

[Mary3]

I lived without fear in my first marriage and look what happened.

 

You are backing up these guys here ( the ones touting the Don Juan type books and attitudes ) when you know they have no clue how to treat women and that makes me think you don't know how to either....

 

And about your fear : Fear is paralyzing . Face your fear . Get back the control. Desensitize yourself.

[Engadget]

As an anecdote, there was the 19 year old girl I work with who became angry and jealous when I talked to another girl, texting me about how I'm a player and blah blah, what a jerk.

 

Now? She follows me around at work, touches me and wants to be near me. I don't think it's always the case but some women do respond strongly to being screwed over. I think it's the challenge.

[Mary3]

Dude if the worst things the best players did was date more than one girl at once I'd feel a lot better about the world. Wholy **** they do a lot worse. The guy whose posts I'm reading right now is the biggest womanizing ******* I've ever met. I think if I ever adopt all of his beliefs or become exactly what he is I'd want to go to a psychologist and have someone physically stop me from interacting with women.

 

This guy seriously initially just dated the hottest girls. He built himself a harem of 5-7 girls. He would lie cheat and steal to get into a girls pants, and if he DIDNT have to do that he'd ****ing insult her until it was challenging enough for him. He was a badboy-womanizer before he read ANY PUA material so you can just imagine the lowlife kind of human being he became after. He was offensive enough to puas that at least one of them said they would try to prevent girls from sleeping with them if he ever met them - and lol guess what. Even if you ****ing KNEW what he was like, you COULDNT stop these girls from sleeping with him AFTER telling them everything they were all about. He was a master seducer man. It would be like trying to stop casanova - except he's probably better than that - ****ing impossible.

 

Now am I about to adopt this guys view in life that he will NEVER have a steady girlfriend (from his view, why the **** would he only date one bitch. He can date 5 bitches, have total control over his "primary" and if she ever ****s up or doesn't meet ALL of his demands she will get demoted because there are 4 bitches waiting in line to replace her.) I wrote that like he ****ing writes. The answer is no, I don't think like him, I don't want to think exactly like him, and I never ever ever want to do the **** he does. If I ever met someone like that I'd tell them they are a poor excuse for a human being.

 

However, if I want to figure out how to turn on a woman both physically and emotionally, **** there isn't a better source than him. You think a married guy whose dated 5 girls has two CLUES how to be as good as that ****er. Lol what a joke. Not even close. And this is the battle girls fight. The ultimate badboy is the WORST human being you could ever meet but I ****ing gaurentee that chick would love the sex he gives. Which is exactly why he can demand the complete bull**** he wants (100% of a girls attention and if she slips up one ****ing time he walks the hell out. Definitely no commitments and if she expects a long term relationship she is done for).

 

Mind you not all master pickup artists are terrible people. That guy is a special case. And it's all in my view that the things he does and the thoughts he thinks are WRONG.

 

Imagine if you went on a date with stallone (since the expendables just came out). You think he's going to take you out to a fancy diner that costs $150 dollars each, attempt to wow you with all of his marvelous career endevours, etc. etc. You know the standard courting bull****, lets go see a movie? Fat ****ing chance. I can tell by the way that guy ****ing walks and acts he IS a badboy. And btw I'm not interested in guys.

 

To those who say I must be young, the girls are dumb, blablabla maybe stop living in planet fantasy and come see the real world.

 

Your whole post is ridiculous . Lose your books and garbage or you will NEVER get a real women.

[Pyro]

Like ot or not what dispatch is saying is true. Nearly every man I know who has women craling all over him is an utter scumbag. They treat these girls like toys to be played with yet the women still keep coming back. Meanwhile the men who treat women with respect and are faithful get played left and right. I am sorry but it is true and any man with dating experience knows it is true.

 

Once again you are incorrect. Women with no self esteem go for that bahavior. Is it something to brag over being able to get girls like that?

 

I lived without fear in my first marriage and look what happened.

 

Do you enjoy living in fear 24/7? Marriage is obviously hazardous to your health. I don't see you divorcing her because you feel it will make you look like the bad guy if you initiate the divorce. You are too stubborn for your own good.

[Mary3]

Once again you are incorrect. Women with no self esteem go for that bahavior. Is it something to brag over being able to get girls like that?

 

 

Do you enjoy living in fear 24/7? Marriage is obviously hazardous to your health. I don't see you divorcing her because you feel it will make you look like the bad guy if you initiate the divorce. You are too stubborn for your own good.

 

Beautifully Spoken ! No women will put up with that .

[mr.dream merchant]

I'm neither mean or nice to them, I'm just myself. In the company of an attractive woman I'm naturally inclined to be a gentleman who is attentive, and humorous as well. If they like it they like it, if not then it's whatever, we're men - rejection isn't **** to us.

 

The problem I have with ideas like these..not every woman is the same. Have you ever asked 3-4 women what turns them on in a guy? You get completely different answers. So to assume that every woman wants this or that in a guy is kind of crazy, for they are all so picky about little things that work or don't work for them. The best thing you can do is be yourself, and attract a woman who likes you for being, well, you.

[Woggle]

I don't live in fear 24/7 but I am fully aware that a woman can turn on a man in a heartbeat at any given second.

[Pyro]

I don't live in fear 24/7 but I am fully aware that a woman can turn on a man in a heartbeat at any given second.

 

I am aware of that too but I am not scared. I chose my fiancee because I trust her enough to not be afraid of her trustworthyness.