Dating Hot girls is easier then Ugly girls

[Green]

I grew up in New York and the women were awesome back in the day especially in the boroughs outside of Manhatten but in recent years it has attracted the Sex and the City types who are an utter nightmare.

 

Some of the greatest women I know (now married) came from the new york area. But the dating scene NoW is sht. I lived there just a few years ago and interacted with many women and dated two and it was such a relief to leave.

 

Neither really. I don't have enough dating experience to have a serious relationship. Nor do I want to sleep with lots of girls.

 

For now I just want to casually date somebody.

 

just have, be yourself, stop caring, ASK GIRLS OUT (that you are attracted to), KISS THEM

 

I always tell you stop worrying about results like getting rejected. that also means don't worry about results by going after lower level girls just because you have the crazy FALSE notion you will have a better shot

[Mad Max]

I lived in many places. NYC being one of them and Montreal being another. Dating in NYC by far is very hard on a man. Women who look like crap often think they are a godess. I mention Montreal because I'm guessing thats the area of Quebec you are from and women are a lot more down to earth there.

 

If you really want to find sexy cool women go to Florida.

 

 

Yeah, Cote St. Luc is 15 minutes from Sainte-Catherine Street. It's an English speaking community west of the city. I left the Luc in 2005 after the high school shut down. I've had problems with the women here, where as I didn't have that problem in Canada. Promiscuity, f*ck buddies, and casual sex are the norm here. Not to say that didn't happen back home, but it wasn't as common.

[that girl]

For every guy saying that NY women all think they are models and don't give them a shot, there is a NY woman somewhere out there saying all NY men think they are super hot and only go after model type women.

 

Dating is hard for everyone. Making silly generalizations is easy.

[that girl]

Neither really. I don't have enough dating experience to have a serious relationship. Nor do I want to sleep with lots of girls.

 

For now I just want to casually date somebody.

Casually dating one person is kind of uncommon. Most people who are actively dating either end up in a serious relationship or have a lot of one/two/three date relationships.

 

I think what you want is closer to the girlfriend thing, so ignore the game stuff. Most of it will just make you seem like a jerk to a sane woman. You're in college, there are loads of girls around. Talk to women everywhere- in class, in line at the bookstore, while waiting to use the copier. School gives you an automatic conversation point and women who are interested will seem interested.

[somedude81]

Casually dating one person is kind of uncommon. Most people who are actively dating either end up in a serious relationship or have a lot of one/two/three date relationships.

 

I think what you want is closer to the girlfriend thing, so ignore the game stuff. Most of it will just make you seem like a jerk to a sane woman. You're in college, there are loads of girls around. Talk to women everywhere- in class, in line at the bookstore, while waiting to use the copier. School gives you an automatic conversation point and women who are interested will seem interested.

Most of the girls I've been interested in have told me that they don't want anything serious. But I knew they were sleeping with one or more guys, just not with me. I don't know what those girls are looking for. As for what I want, does what I want even matter when girls control the sex?

 

I'm OK with conversations. I'm much better with girls I see at least once a week. If after talking to a girl a few times and she seems cool I'll ask her out. My problem is that I usually wait a little to long to ask her, and I've already become emotionally involved in her. So the inevitable rejection really stings.

 

What do you mean by "have a lot of one/two/three date relationships?" The most recent girl I went out with, I met in school. We got lunch once after class, then we had two dates. Then she just stopped replying to my texts. I thought that things were going good then I was pretty much dumbfounded. I also knew from looking at her FB page that she was seeing other guys. I really have no idea why she just decided to start ignoring me.

 

stop caring, ASK GIRLS OUT (that you are attracted to), KISS THEM

 

I always tell you stop worrying about results like getting rejected. that also means don't worry about results

I'm not a robot that can just turn off my emotions. If it wasn't obvious already, I have a fragile ego. Right now there is a battle within myself. I really want to get a girl, but I'm so scared of getting hurt because I know it will happen. Of course I still have to try.

[Green]

 

I'm not a robot that can just turn off my emotions. If it wasn't obvious already, I have a fragile ego. Right now there is a battle within myself. I really want to get a girl, but I'm so scared of getting hurt because I know it will happen. Of course I still have to try.

 

Your ego is only fragile because you let it be that way. I have been rejected by more girls then I can keep track of. But I also have been accepted by quite a few pretty girls and currently have a babe of a gf.

 

Don't be scared of getting hurt. You really can't get hurt if you just have fun and don't go in with expectations..

[that girl]

What do you mean by "have a lot of one/two/three date relationships?"

Most of the time, someone either loses interest early on or things become committed.

[somedude81]

Your ego is only fragile because you let it be that way. I have been rejected by more girls then I can keep track of. But I also have been accepted by quite a few pretty girls and currently have a babe of a gf.

 

Don't be scared of getting hurt. You really can't get hurt if you just have fun and don't go in with expectations..

If I knew how to harden me ego, so rejection wouldn't hurt; trust me, I would have done it many years ago.

 

You at least know what it's like to be accepted by girls, even pretty ones. I don't. The closest I've been to being "accepted" by girls is to be their asexual brother.

 

You bring up a good point about not having expectations. Sadly I have the furthest thing from no expectations. When I get somewhat close to that I'm hanging out with her, I feel that she will be the one to "save me" and let me start liking myself. BTW, I'm starting to go way off topic here.

Most of the time, someone either loses interest early on or things become committed.

And that seems exactly what happened with her. My interest in her was building and she suddenly lost it.

 

So did she decide that she didn't want to become serious and just ended everything because of that? This concept seems to be worthy of it's own thread.

 

I would have been perfectly happy going on a date every week or so and that would eventually lead to sex.

[that girl]

And that seems exactly what happened with her. My interest in her was building and she suddenly lost it.

 

So did she decide that she didn't want to become serious and just ended everything because of that?

I think you're making a faulty assumption.

 

I think most people start out thinking "I could maybe see myself with this person" rather than "I'm attracted to this person and like them." With the first when you realize you don't see much potential, it makes sense to stop seeing them.

 

I would have been perfectly happy going on a date every week or so and that would eventually lead to sex.

She didn't want to sleep with you. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you, it happens.

[dispatch3d]

What I've noticed is that the girls PUA types judge to be 9 or 10s generally look like strippers. They don't have to be the prettiest girls and they don't need to have big boobs, but they are usually fairly thin and dress in a sexy manner (tight/short clothing, significant make-up, done hair). These guys do not tend to notice casual no makeup and a ponytail types.

 

The attractiveness of someone's face or body is genetic luck. It really doesn't say anything about who they are as a person. However, how they choose to adorn themselves does say something about them.

 

And whether or not a conversation is an opinion. Two brainaics could have a conversation they find fascinating but that would bore a less cerebral person. Pick up artist game bores me personally. It is just silly game playing. It is much more exciting to talk to someone with a hysterical sense of humor or fascinating life history than some guy who is trying to trick you into bed.

 

Somedude81- Do you want try to have a girlfriend or do you want to try and have a lot of one night stands? The advice for those two things is different. If you want to have lots of casual sex with women with low self-esteem, game is a decent way to go. But it won't get you a sane girlfriend.

 

All things being equal (and in are bar all things ARE basically equal) a guy will hit on the hottest girl and move his way down. He will hit on the hottest girl he thinks he has a chance with. Why? Well why would you hit on the 2nd hottest girl. Doesn't make sense right? You'd just go from the top down.

 

Well mPua's are kinda strange. They don't really have any challenges anymore. Except they kinda MISS having a challenge. So they go for the hottest girls.

 

If you read what they talk about they actually screen out a ton of girls. They are looking for the whole package or whatever values they deem appropriate. The fact is the pickup stuff works better on well-adjusted girls, not worse.

 

The fact is you're looking at this from a female perspective. You don't live in my paradigm at all. You can't even exist in my paradigm. I don't understand you're world either. Just forget it. We are in such totally different social situations we can't relate.

[that girl]

All things being equal (and in are bar all things ARE basically equal) a guy will hit on the hottest girl and move his way down. He will hit on the hottest girl he thinks he has a chance with. Why? Well why would you hit on the 2nd hottest girl. Doesn't make sense right? You'd just go from the top down.

 

I'm not really sure what this has to do with my comment, but I don't think these guys are really looking for the most attractive woman, they're looking for the showiest.

 

If you read what they talk about they actually screen out a ton of girls. They are looking for the whole package or whatever values they deem appropriate.

If you are a pick up artist type of guy, there is no point in looking for the full package. If you're just looking for sex it doesn't matter if she is a surgeon or a welfare mother.

 

The fact is the pickup stuff works better on well-adjusted girls, not worse.

It really doesn't. Not only have a seen guys try it, I've seen the girls these guys go for in their own videos. I don't see a lot of well balanced kindergarden teacher types, I see women who look insecure and desperate more often than not.

[Green]

It really doesn't. Not only have a seen guys try it, I've seen the girls these guys go for in their own videos. I don't see a lot of well balanced kindergarden teacher types, I see women who look insecure and desperate more often than not.

 

I think teachers of young children are often crazy haha. Any ways this isn't a thread about PUA's its about how going after the girl you want a "hot" one is easier and better then trying to date a girl you are settling for (too fat, too ugly ect.)

[MrNate]

Well green has a point, I only see 'settling' breeding some form of discontent eventually. Can one really be happy by settling?

 

And you bring up an interesting point about the hot girls. If a guy is dating someone he is genuinely attracted to, instead of some random woman, then it's likely to reap good benefits for the guy/girl.

 

 

I'll actually be starting up a series of threads that will detail my journey as I go along( mentioned in my previous one.) So it should be entertaining.

Edited September 6, 2010 by MrNate

[Pink Cupcakes]

I still have my high school and college uniforms, yes.

 

Can you still fit into both of them? I mean, they're not tight at all.

[Star Gazer]

Can you still fit into both of them? I mean, they're not tight at all.

 

I love how you try to make personal digs at me all the time.

 

I can actually fit into the skirts of both, but the college top is quite snug as my boobs are bigger than they were when I was a flyer.

[dispatch3d]

somedude81,

 

Too many points to list.

 

The 7's can be really weird. They are on the brink of average (6's who probably barely get hit on) but yet they are almost 8's (who would likely regularly get hit on). I would assume the 10's mostly see players+really drunk guys. Most 7's can't banter. They usually get kinda confused at the cocky/funny stuff - not saying it doesn't work, just that they aren't very good at it. Some of them can't really flirt at all.

 

You likely wouldn't have to learn a lot of game to regularly pickup 6's. You definitely wouldn't want to use a lot of challenging stuff.

 

The main problem with sort-of learning game is that it is geared towards 9's and 10's. It's kinda easy to **** up conversations/interactions misapplying stuff. Especially if it's actually designed for a hotter girl. Specifically, if you neg a girl whose below a 9 expect a very bad reaction. Especially if she's in your social group. And hell if you neg a girl whose a 9 whose in your social group she'll probably be unhappy with you. Many times it's just inappropriate to use negs. The best guys don't use any negs because they don't have to. It's a given before they talk that they are higher value than almost any 10.

 

Also everything you read about and apply will be misapplied. It won't be calibrated to anything socially. You will come off as weird nearly gaurenteed. There will always be some aspect of it you can't quite process at the moment and will have to figure out over time.

 

How can you become numb to rejection? Get rejected a lot. Honestly, the 100th rejection doesn't sting nearly as much as the 1st. I mean it still sucks, don't get me wrong, but it isn't like the 1st at all. Some guys completely lose the fear of rejection, others still carry it with them.

 

Being numb to rejection is an inner game thing too. Not having your world depend on the acceptance of others - which isn't easy. Right now I'm annoyed a female friend of mine didn't respond to one text and facebook message. But oh well. I digress...... (Ideally I would not care, she's probably just sick/not having much fun).

 

If it seems like there's no other way to get a girl then yeah I'd suggest you read some game. Expect to be even more socially awkward than you are now for a little while. I mean now you aren't socially adept (you just think you are, but you aren't). If you can afford a workshop by all means do that.....

[dispatch3d]

I'm not really sure what this has to do with my comment, but I don't think these guys are really looking for the most attractive woman, they're looking for the showiest.

 

 

If you are a pick up artist type of guy, there is no point in looking for the full package. If you're just looking for sex it doesn't matter if she is a surgeon or a welfare mother.

 

 

It really doesn't. Not only have a seen guys try it, I've seen the girls these guys go for in their own videos. I don't see a lot of well balanced kindergarden teacher types, I see women who look insecure and desperate more often than not.

 

Usually when they are doing their pickup they are already getting laid. Probably by a girl whose in the 9-10 range. Maybe an 8. Doesn't matter. A lot of them are getting sex from a few girls.

 

Not sure why you think they are just looking for sex. They're probably looking for it less than the majority of guys are. Sex for them is a given. 90% of guys it isn't a given.

 

The guy I found to be the most shallow with regards to sexual compatability still didn't want to sleep with a girl as a one and done (ie a one night stand). He didn't like one night stands at all. If he slept with a girl he'd want it to be on-going for at least a month. I mean, if the sex was good once why wouldn't it be good multiple times? He also only slept with girls he thought were worthwhile talking to rather than just for sex.

 

I don't know what videos you are citing. You're probably miss-citing regardless. When I watched cajun on keys to the vip he only hit on the hottest girls in the club (to make it harder). I mean they are 2 minute pickups and cajun is just doing it to impress people. He can't tell if a girl is insecure or not before he hits on her.

 

And they get lots of numbers that they don't call. They don't have the time to call every number....

 

Anyhow not trying to sell you on them anyways. If you think they're sleezy go right ahead and think they are.

[gypsy_nicky]

Some guys think settling for an ugly girl or an avg looking girl makes it easier to get a gf. This conclusion is WRONG.

 

Aproaching and romanticly persuing a girl you find completly attractive is easier because it 1) means you're being yourself and not settling (makes you confident and genuine which women love) 2) The extra hornyness puts that extra umph in your step and glint in your eye which really helps you get the girl 3) geneticaly its been shown that following your own natural attractions will help you pick out some one who is more likely to like you back...

 

This isn't about going after the cheerleader or model ect. its about going after women YOU find attractive instead of settling for some ugly or average girl who you are not completly attracted to just because you think you have a better chance. Seriously I wound't date a girl I wasn't completely attracted to even if she threw herself at me.

 

Your thread is absolutely confusing. For one your saying 'chase the hot girls' (see your title) , and another your telling guys to settle (see your 1st post).

 

So which one do you recommend?

 

If I was to reply to your title then no. Hot girls are not easier to date because most usually average joe won't even score a date with one. Hot girls usually stick with hot guys. Same with ugly girls and average girls. they stick to their own leagues after dipping their feet in dating (rejection and dating experience allows one to find a partner that is very much compatible with you). Unless you have some sort of high social value to compensate for your average looks, hot girls will look past you.

 

If I was to reply to your 1st post then I would say this: (rejection and dating experience allows one to find a partner that is very much compatible with you). Look around you. Most couples are actually very similar when it comes to their physical appearance. You will rarely see couples extremely mismatched in looks. As one poster here mentioned, guys (or girls) will first fall for the fairest of all and move down until they find someone compatible with.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Your thread is absolutely confusing. For one your saying 'chase the hot girls' (see your title) , and another your telling guys to settle (see your 1st post).

 

So which one do you recommend?

 

If I was to reply to your title then no. Hot girls are not easier to date because most usually average joe won't even score a date with one. Hot girls usually stick with hot guys. Same with ugly girls and average girls. they stick to their own leagues after dipping their feet in dating (rejection and dating experience allows one to find a partner that is very much compatible with you). Unless you have some sort of high social value to compensate for your average looks, hot girls will look past you.

 

If I was to reply to your 1st post then I would say this: (rejection and dating experience allows one to find a partner that is very much compatible with you). Look around you. Most couples are actually very similar when it comes to their physical appearance. You will rarely see couples extremely mismatched in looks. As one poster here mentioned, guys (or girls) will first fall for the fairest of all and move down until they find someone compatible with.

 

I agree with this ... I also find it tacky that in this tread its assumed that the person them selves has no value past their looks? really? So green if a guy had 2 choices..

 

Lets say girl A who was average not "hot" not ugly but girl next door looking BUT she was a good person with values and would treat a guy well..

 

OR

 

Girl B who was smoking hot but had a bit of a attitude who would you recommend he date honestly?

 

How could it be easier to date "hot" people? that makes no sense allot of them know they are quite attractive and that usually means they have attitude because they know most will let them get away with it no?

 

Also wouldn't a guy be afraid always looking over his shoulder at whose trying to steal her away from him? I just don't see the pros out weighing the cons..

[that girl]

The 7's can be really weird. They are on the brink of average (6's who probably barely get hit on) but yet they are almost 8's (who would likely regularly get hit on).

Oh Jesus.

 

First, if a woman is regularly going to clubs/bars, she does not have to be above average to be hit on regularly. You are not going to blow away a 6 by hitting on her. You're not going to blow away a 4 by hitting on her.

 

Most 7's can't banter. They usually get kinda confused at the cocky/funny stuff - not saying it doesn't work, just that they aren't very good at it. Some of them can't really flirt at all

Banter and flirting are not the same thing as game. The PUA stuff is a very specific subgroup.

 

It's a given before they talk that they are higher value than almost any 10.

Again, oh Jesus. For a girl to think some random guy is out of her league at first sight, he has to be crazy hot or famous.

 

Not sure why you think they are just looking for sex. They're probably looking for it less than the majority of guys are. Sex for them is a given. 90% of guys it isn't a given.

If you want a relationship, PUA crap is a stupid move.

 

I don't deny PUA stuff works. It is a numbers game and a guy who is looking to date or score should be regularly approaching girls. But you don't understand women or why some of them go for stuff like negging. The biggest benefit the have for guys is they give them a game plan to approach women and the more you approach the better your odds.

 

But these guys, even the ones who make money at it, aren't banging dozens of 10s and they have next to no shot with quality women. It is scam.

[dispatch3d]

ahhh that_girl,

 

Among other things, they teach guys how to flirt. It's not different or separate.

 

Again not trying to sell you on it anyways. It's a shame I can't tell people about it but meh. I guess if it wasn't taboo everyone would be doing it.

[Gallaxia]

Oh Jesus.

 

First, if a woman is regularly going to clubs/bars, she does not have to be above average to be hit on regularly. You are not going to blow away a 6 by hitting on her. You're not going to blow away a 4 by hitting on her.

 

 

Banter and flirting are not the same thing as game. The PUA stuff is a very specific subgroup.

 

 

Again, oh Jesus. For a girl to think some random guy is out of her league at first sight, he has to be crazy hot or famous.

 

 

If you want a relationship, PUA crap is a stupid move.

 

I don't deny PUA stuff works. It is a numbers game and a guy who is looking to date or score should be regularly approaching girls. But you don't understand women or why some of them go for stuff like negging. The biggest benefit the have for guys is they give them a game plan to approach women and the more you approach the better your odds.

 

But these guys, even the ones who make money at it, aren't banging dozens of 10s and they have next to no shot with quality women. It is scam.

 

 

This needs to be shouted from the mountain tops. Not to threadjack, and of course it works, but in the PUA stuff, the real victims are the guys who use those tactics. There's an ebb & flow to everything, so (true) results of this won't be in for a while.

[dispatch3d]

No, it doesn't have to be shouted from anywhere. She couldn't be more offensive if she tried. The complete and utter bull**** girls assume about pua's is WRONNNNNGGGGG.

[Gallaxia]

Why would you take offense to it?

 

Just as you're a man and on one side of the argument, as women, we're on the other side.

 

I'm speaking for myself here but, I've come to that conclusion, having lived it, I've also read The Game, I've studied human behavior...

 

To say what women assume of PUAs is wrong, based on observation & experience, is completely disregarding women entirely from the equation. Which can't be done as women are the other half of the experience/equation. Otherwise you'd be seeking something else-pets, plants etc. Think about it... But I think I'm starting to digress from the OPs question....

[Green]

Well green has a point, I only see 'settling' breeding some form of discontent eventually. Can one really be happy by settling?

 

And you bring up an interesting point about the hot girls. If a guy is dating someone he is genuinely attracted to, instead of some random woman, then it's likely to reap good benefits for the guy/girl.

 

 

I'll actually be starting up a series of threads that will detail my journey as I go along( mentioned in my previous one.) So it should be entertaining.

 

I don't know what journey your talking about but I will have to remember to look into these series of threads you are promoting haha

 

Your thread is absolutely confusing. For one your saying 'chase the hot girls' (see your title) , and another your telling guys to settle (see your 1st post).

 

So which one do you recommend?

 

Let me clarify for you that this thread is about NOT SETTLING for anything less then what you want in a partner.

 

If I was to reply to your title then no. Hot girls are not easier to date because most usually average joe won't even score a date with one. Hot girls usually stick with hot guys. Same with ugly girls and average girls. they stick to their own leagues after dipping their feet in dating (rejection and dating experience allows one to find a partner that is very much compatible with you). Unless you have some sort of high social value to compensate for your average looks' date=' hot girls will look past you. [/quote']

 

"Hot" is subjective and really this is about going for what the INDIVIDUAL finds hot. Some guys truely find FAT women hot. Some guys SETTLE this is for guys who SETTLE. I'm telling them that going for their idea of "Hot" which may or may not be your idea of hot will be whats best and "easiest" for them whne talking about chances of forming a relationship that will go "farther"

 

If I was to reply to your 1st post then I would say this: (rejection and dating experience allows one to find a partner that is very much compatible with you). Look around you. Most couples are actually very similar when it comes to their physical appearance. You will rarely see couples extremely mismatched in looks. As one poster here mentioned' date=' guys (or girls) will first fall for the fairest of all and move down until they find someone compatible with. [/quote']

 

I'm glad you seem to have your head straight.. but some guys are SOOO AFRAID of REJECTION that they just SETTLE instead of every TRYING for the girls they like, the girls they would consider "Hot"

 

I agree with this ... I also find it tacky that in this tread its assumed that the person them selves has no value past their looks? really?

 

Actualy DATING is about going after some one you are attracted to. Sorry if the word "hot" offends you. Some guys are afraid to go after girls they are attracted and Settle. This thread is about not settling and has nothing to do with being shallow as you should date people you are romanticly attracted to and not just platonicly attracted to.

 

So green if a guy had 2 choices..

 

Lets say girl A who was average not "hot" not ugly but girl next door looking BUT she was a good person with values and would treat a guy well..

 

OR

 

Girl B who was smoking hot but had a bit of a attitude who would you recommend he date honestly?

 

I would tell him to date the girl he was attracted to the most. I would also tell him not to settle for a girl he wasn't attracted to. Attraction for me isn't purely physical, for instance if girl B was anoying or rude, or seemed dishonest this would make her unattractive once I learned this.

 

I just find the idea that ugly people are these smart great people and "hot" girls are stupid ect... WRONG. and SILLY. I actualy find the oposite quite often. Not to mention having a good attitude and being kind with a great smile only add to a girls "hotness"

 

How could it be easier to date "hot" people? that makes no sense allot of them know they are quite attractive and that usually means they have attitude because they know most will let them get away with it no?

 

Also wouldn't a guy be afraid always looking over his shoulder at whose trying to steal her away from him? I just don't see the pros out weighing the cons..

 

It's easier to date some one you are actualy attracted to because its more genuine then settling.

 

Also uglier girls are more likely to cheat IMO they arn't used to male attention and when the oportunity arises they will be so flattered they might just do it. Seriously I think the idea that prettier girls are more likely to leave you is very silly.

 

This needs to be shouted from the mountain tops. Not to threadjack, and of course it works, but in the PUA stuff, the real victims are the guys who use those tactics. There's an ebb & flow to everything, so (true) results of this won't be in for a while.

 

You are thread jacking but your point is true the real victims are the guys... but most of the guys who follow PUA stuff like its a religion are people who have done very bad with women and are social outcasts. I figured out pretty much everything in PUA books on my own with out the silly code words and philosiphy that can easily hurt a person mind.

 

Why would you take offense to it?

 

Just as you're a man and on one side of the argument, as women, we're on the other side.

 

I'm speaking for myself here but, I've come to that conclusion, having lived it, I've also read The Game, I've studied human behavior...

 

To say what women assume of PUAs is wrong, based on observation & experience, is completely disregarding women entirely from the equation. Which can't be done as women are the other half of the experience/equation. Otherwise you'd be seeking something else-pets, plants etc. Think about it... But I think I'm starting to digress from the OPs question....

 

Look arguing about PUA's is pointless. A good number of them are just depressed guys who feel fed up with being so afraid of women. There are probably a few guys who really do well with women... but the advice is so basic that of course its going to work for some guys. They basicly fill up and entir book with basic advice like: 1) approach women 2) flirt and tease women 3) touch women 4) kiss women 5) don't get obsessed with one girl just because you had a date with her... ect. its commonly known sht that some guys just don't understand. They then try to dress it up with science and talk of human behavior ect.

 

The point of this thread is PUA its NOT SETTLING going out with YOUR idea of a HOT women. If PUA community agrees then that makes sense because they CAN be good at noticing things and then turning it into an entire chapter or speech you have to PAY for instead of just easily observing it for yourself.