Synchronicity

[whichwayisup]

I want to go read that book.

 

Nice to see you V it's been a while! Hope life is going good with you.

 

Another thing I believe in, guess it is part of synchronicity is, what you put out there is what you get back. The type of energy, thoughts and vibes, kind of like a boomerang. Same goes with the type of people one attracts in their life.

[Truthseeker-John]

Is it a coincidence? Spiritual? Or something that just happens and not to read into it.

 

You know those, " think of a person" you haven't talked to in a very long time and within a day or two you get a call from them or run into them, and you both say "OMG, I was just thinking of you!"

 

This seems to be happening with me alot recently. With friends, certain family members and situations.

It's happened to me lots of times. In my opinion Synchronicity happens because the Universe is a conscious entity and we are a part of that consciousness.

[Truthseeker-John]

Oh, yes. And I certainly don't want anyone to think that I'm not ok with alternate beliefs. I just happen to think that people are wasting their time/energy and making poor decisions based on faulty logic. And that makes me sad. My defense mechanism is a tendency to mock the ideas (not the people)...

Yes, there are people (most) that live in a world of pretense and they have faulty beliefs. However, ESP, Clairvoyance (the police have sometimes used Mediums to find criminals), Remote Viewing (the military take it seriously and have experimented with it) and other 'psychic' phenomena are real.

 

It does not always work because as someone said, it's like trying to listen to a radio station when on the fringe of the reception area, so the signal fades in and out. Some people have a more sensitive 'receiver' than others but some people pretend, because it makes them feel special and needed.

 

Give you a simple example of how we are connected on a subconscious level and this happens to most people, not just the few.

 

You walk past someone and turn around and look at them and find that they are looking at you at exactly the same time. It happens many times to most people. How did they know? How did you know? It's not like you were consciously thinking to turn your head to look at the other person and it was not that they intentionally thought they would look at you - but it happened automatically and it shows there is a link between people that is beyond our limited and individual conscious minds.

Edited November 3, 2010 by Truthseeker-John

[Truthseeker-John]

Someone told me about a cruel experiment, I think he said it was during WWII. They took baby rabbits unto a submarine, while the mother rabbit was on land at base. Every now and then they killed one of the baby rabbits and each time the mother rabbit was in distress. How did she know that one of her babies was killed?

[shadowofman]

Yes, there are people (most) that live in a world of pretense and they have faulty beliefs. However, ESP, Clairvoyance (the police have sometimes used Mediums to find criminals), Remote Viewing (the military take it seriously and have experimented with it) and other 'psychic' phenomena are real.

 

I agree that police and military have used psychic guessers to some degree. And I will admit that the guessers have been correct occasionally. But fundamentally, these institutions do not rely on such tactics. Only in experimental and desperate situations, and more that not, the tactic fails.

 

It does not always work because as someone said, it's like trying to listen to a radio station when on the fringe of the reception area, so the signal fades in and out. Some people have a more sensitive 'receiver' than others but some people pretend, because it makes them feel special and needed.

 

Your analogy sounds good, but not one shred of credible evidence exists which has demonstrated any such ability.

 

You walk past someone and turn around and look at them and find that they are looking at you at exactly the same time. It happens many times to most people. How did they know? How did you know? It's not like you were consciously thinking to turn your head to look at the other person and it was not that they intentionally thought they would look at you - but it happened automatically and it shows there is a link between people that is beyond our limited and individual conscious minds.

 

This is the definition of coincidence.

 

Someone told me about a cruel experiment, I think he said it was during WWII. They took baby rabbits unto a submarine, while the mother rabbit was on land at base. Every now and then they killed one of the baby rabbits and each time the mother rabbit was in distress. How did she know that one of her babies was killed?

 

Someone told you.......

That's called anecdotal evidence. And uncited anecdotal evidence at that. As I said before, not one shred of credible evidence exists supporting any such ability. Even James Randi's million dollar award goes unclaimed.

[Truthseeker-John]

I agree that police and military have used psychic guessers to some degree. And I will admit that the guessers have been correct occasionally. But fundamentally, these institutions do not rely on such tactics. Only in experimental and desperate situations, and more that not, the tactic fails.

They wouldn't bother using it if it didn't work sometimes.

 

Your analogy sounds good, but not one shred of credible evidence exists which has demonstrated any such ability.

The analogy is sound as far as I am concerned and it depends on what we view as credible.

 

This is the definition of coincidence.

Sure it is, it is incidences that coincide and they happen too often to be random chance.

 

Someone told you.......

That's called anecdotal evidence. And uncited anecdotal evidence at that. As I said before, not one shred of credible evidence exists supporting any such ability. Even James Randi's million dollar award goes unclaimed.

People use the words "not one shred of credible evidence" as a way of dismissing things, even when there is a 'shred' of evidence.

 

In regard to James Randi, he was an illusionist and he's biased against the paranormal because he thinks the everything can be put down to 'slight of hand' but it can't. His entrance test is so difficult that hardly anyone gets through it to do the experiments. We shouldn't need such an entrance test - just get on with the experiments.

 

However experiments have been done many times which show that the paranormal does exist. If you are open minded about this do some research on it.

Edited November 5, 2010 by Truthseeker-John

[Truthseeker-John]

http://www.quantum-self.com/quantum-library/mind-stretch/sciewntifi-proof-esp-is-real.html

 

Scientific Proof ESP is Real

 

September 22, 2009 by Quantum Publisher

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Natural ESP Powers Could we all be naturally psychic and have ESP powers? Scientists now say “yes.”

 

One of the most surprising discoveries of modern physics is that objects aren’t as separate as they seem. When you drill down into the core of even the most solid-looking material, separateness simply dissolves.

 

All that remains are relationships extending curiously throughout space and time. These connections were predicted by quantum theory and were called “spooky action at a distance” by Einstein.

 

One founders of quantum theory, Erwin Schradinger, referred to this peculiarity as ”entanglement.”

 

The sense of reality suggested by entanglement is very unlike the world of everyday experience. For years many physicists accepted that the microscopic world of elementary particles could become entangled, but this was assumed to have no practical consequences.

 

That view is changing rapidly. Scientists now say the effects of microscopic entanglements scale up into our everyday world. Entangled connections between atomic-sized objects have been found to persist over many miles. It seems as though what we call reality could be made up of holistic “threads” that aren’t located precisely in space or time.

 

Some scientists suggest that the remarkable degree of coherence displayed in living systems might depend on entanglement. Others suggest that conscious awareness is caused or related in some important way to entangled particles in the brain. Modern string theory even proposes that the entire universe is a single, self-entangled object.

 

What if these speculations are correct? Would we occasionally have odd feelings of connectedness with loved ones at a distance? Could entangled minds be what lets you instantly know who’s calling when the phone rings?

 

Science is at very earliest stages understanding entanglement, but what we’ve seen so far provides a new way of thinking about extrasensory perception (ESP). There’s now substantial evidence paranormal experiences are both real and normal.

 

No longer are paranormal experiences like ESP regarded as rare human talents. ESP is a natural consequence of our interconnected, entangled physical reality.

[shadowofman]

Your article is by an anonymous writer, and most assuredly a misrepresentation of contemporary physicists. The web site itself is not a credible scientific source. It's unfortunate that your desire to believe in such things supersedes your requirement that proof be based on empirical evidence. James Randi's requirements are standard operating procedure for any credible test. Where you may say that our standards are too high, you must at least concider the fact that your standards may be too low. In an attempt to research your link further, I was directed to another site which was selling all sorts of bogus psychic self help programs.

 

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Originally Posted by shadowofman

I agree that police and military have used psychic guessers to some degree. And I will admit that the guessers have been correct occasionally. But fundamentally, these institutions do not rely on such tactics. Only in experimental and desperate situations, and more that not, the tactic fails.

 

They wouldn't bother using it if it didn't work sometimes.

 

Your sentence is incorrect, but I suspect you meant, "They wouldn't bother using it if it never worked." Sure they would. They are retarded and desperate. Usually it's the psychics that involve themselves in cases to make a name for themselves. And just because people belief in something does not make it real. For every one official that believes in such things, there will be countless others that reject the idea.

[Truthseeker-John]

Your article is by an anonymous writer, and most assuredly a misrepresentation of contemporary physicists.

Anonymous writer or not, you are saying that 'contemporary physics' has got to be closer to the truth?

 

The web site itself is not a credible scientific source.

There are many credible sources on the web and many that are not credible - which do we choose?

 

It's unfortunate that your desire to believe in such things supersedes your requirement that proof be based on empirical evidence.

I tend to be skeptical about all sorts of things and acknowledge evidence that is subjective - not wishful thinking - and entanglement does exist.

 

James Randi's requirements are standard operating procedure for any credible test.

So James Randi makes the entrance test very hard to get through before anyone can get to do the actual experiments? What is credible about what he is doing? Well, he doesn't want to give money away, now does he. If he were genuinely unbiased he would make it as easy as possible to get on with the experiments...

 

Where you may say that our standards are too high, you must at least concider (Sic) the fact that your standards may be too low. In an attempt to research your link further, I was directed to another site which was selling all sorts of bogus psychic self help programs.

:shrug: Yes I know there are bogus sites based on make-believe and that they advertise such. So?

 

Your sentence is incorrect, but I suspect you meant, "They wouldn't bother using it if it never worked." Sure they would.

Excuse me, "if it never worked" they wouldn't bother using it..

 

They are retarded and desperate.

Who? the police and the military? Perhaps! :lol

 

Usually it's the psychics that involve themselves in cases to make a name for themselves.

Usually? I agree that might be the case but not always.

And just because people belief in something does not make it real. For every one official that believes in such things, there will be countless others that reject the idea.

So? Do what the majority believe make it true? At one time the majority of people believed that the world was flat - yet according to the latest in modern science, entanglement and connectivity does exist.

 

We are all part of the same whole and are connected - hence we have such as ESP and Synchronicity.

 

lol

Edited November 7, 2010 by Truthseeker-John

[shadowofman]

So? Do what the majority believe make it true? At one time the majority of people believed that the world was flat - yet according to the latest in modern science, entanglement and connectivity does exist.

 

We are all part of the same whole and are connected - hence we have such as ESP and Synchronicity.

 

Never did I suggest that the majority is more correct. In fact, since a majority of people believe in non-sense things like spirits and physic ability, I propose that in most cases, people believe in incorrect things. But when a majority of professionals can agree, then they are more likely correct than the masses. I would be interested in knowing the "modern scientists" that have observed these ESPs. Most neuro-scientists are concerned with mapping the connectome, controlling reflex function molecularly, and now genetically and mechanically.

 

Anonymous writer or not, you are saying that 'contemporary physics' has got to be closer to the truth? There are many credible sources on the web and many that are not credible - which do we choose? So James Randi makes the entrance test very hard to get through before anyone can get to do the actual experiments? What is credible about what he is doing? Well, he doesn't want to give money away, now does he. If he were genuinely unbiased he would make it as easy as possible to get on with the experiments...

 

Contemporary physics is incredibly closer to the truth then someone that babbles on about energy without any data to back it up. And credible sources are judged by the scientific academic/journalistic community. Science and medical journals. Most people can not read them however. Magazines like Discover and Scientific American make the results accessible to millions of readers. There should be more of this. There is obviously a markets when people will believe articles like your post. In other words, you can just say "Scientists have discovered...." without references. And then if you do have a reference, it must be checked for credibility. How often is that source referenced? How well published? Randi's terms are more than acceptable in light of the number of people that would waste his time with bogus claims. If there was anyone out there with special powers, they could easily meet his application demands.

 

The difference seems to be people that want to believe and are in fact apologists for claimed psychics, and people that demand a standard of verifiable proof.

[pureinheart]

Synchronicity is a fancy word for coincidence. Human brains are very good at recognizing patterns. It's the reason you can recognize the subtle differences in faces. You have every right to place too much faith in such things, but you are only diluting your reality. There are more important things you could be using your time thinking about.

 

Hey Shadow, how goes it:)

 

I would love to agree with you, as it is always better if you can...but, I have seen way too many miracles that are in no way a coincidence. I've been given Divine revelation in dreams and words of knowledge that have 100% come to pass.

 

The interesting thing is I don't think about anything much except for my tasks at hand, meaning I don't dwell on the supernatural and how can I make it happen...it just does.

 

BTW, I love reading your posts, they are always insightful and thought provoking:) (((((((hugs)))))))

[shadowofman]

Hey Shadow, how goes it

 

I would love to agree with you, as it is always better if you can...but, I have seen way too many miracles that are in no way a coincidence. I've been given Divine revelation in dreams and words of knowledge that have 100% come to pass.

 

The interesting thing is I don't think about anything much except for my tasks at hand, meaning I don't dwell on the supernatural and how can I make it happen...it just does.

 

BTW, I love reading your posts, they are always insightful and thought provoking (((((((hugs)))))))

 

Thanks.

I don't get much love around here. haha

 

First, let me say that I believe we will be able to achieve the technological equivalent of telepathy/remote viewing. More on that later.

 

All I can say about your comment is that you represent anecdotal evidence which can not be argued with. Your experience is your own. For scientific purposes, you have to see why this should not be taken as proof. Even is a million people have the same anecdotal experience, if the experience can not be duplicated to multiple skeptics of sound mind, then it will never be accepted. Doesn't mean it is not true. Just means that there is likely a simpler explanation.

 

If one million people claim to see a dragon on Mt. St. Helen, but the rest of us can't see it, touch it or in any other way experience it, then we have to conclude that you are all mistaken for some reason.

 

There are countless examples of claims sanctioned by the majority. Spirits and souls is just one that persists in the absence of complete understanding of the mind. Once we understand the physical nature of the mind, the idea of the metaphysical soul will disappear. To an older society, recorded video would have surely been a magical phenomena. But in light of even the most rudimentary understanding of electricity and magnetic tape, we understand that there is nothing magical or mystical about VHS. We take this for granted, but in the future, we will understand how a culture of neurons makes a "soul". And how that "soul" ends when the neural network ends.

 

In the future, and with the help of computers, we will be able to connect our neurons directly with a larger network. In a sense, your brain is an internet that will one day communicate with other people's internets wirelessly. But there is not a known (likely) pathway for such information to travel without advanced technology. Evolution along such an adaptation is hindered by a barrier of space between you brain and mine. Such a barrier will exist until we invent a way around it.

[Truthseeker-John]

^^^ Well I hope we won't be using Microsoft Windows - I wouldn't want my brain to receive updates and crash.

 

Seriously, I wouldn't like to live in an artificial world like that.

[Truthseeker-John]

The difference seems to be people that want to believe and are in fact apologists for claimed psychics, and people that demand a standard of verifiable proof.

It is not that I want to believe in the metaphysical and I have always been skeptical but too many things have happed that cannot be random chance, or do not have a 'normal' or rational explanation. Edited November 7, 2010 by Truthseeker-John

[Truthseeker-John]

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=entanglement+and+connectivity Edited November 7, 2010 by Truthseeker-John

[shadowofman]

Now I have something to read. Thank you. Though I admit that my ignorance of this level of physics is great.

[blizzard]

I am just the opposite...

I find that it happens to me so much when my mind is on mental overload. Or if I am on a downward spiral in life.

 

The more "in thought" I am the more I have this happen. Sometimes it can be comforting especially if it is occuring with someone I truly love. I feel our connection...like maybe they sense my need or vice versa. Sometimes I find myself so anxious just trying to figure out "what does it mean!? grrr." And other times I think it can be divine...leading you and taking care of you.

 

It is remarkable when this happens. And a gift that each of us have...if you come to peace with it and believe in it.

[tb24]

Is it a coincidence? Spiritual? Or something that just happens and not to read into it.

 

You know those, " think of a person" you haven't talked to in a very long time and within a day or two you get a call from them or run into them, and you both say "OMG, I was just thinking of you!"

 

How many random thoughts go through your head on any given day? How big is the window of "just", e.g. for someone you haven't seen in 10 years that window might be a month.

 

If fact it would be more worrying if it never happened.

[cooldude97]

Confirmation bias

[whichwayisup]

I am just the opposite...

I find that it happens to me so much when my mind is on mental overload. Or if I am on a downward spiral in life.

 

The more "in thought" I am the more I have this happen. Sometimes it can be comforting especially if it is occuring with someone I truly love. I feel our connection...like maybe they sense my need or vice versa. Sometimes I find myself so anxious just trying to figure out "what does it mean!? grrr." And other times I think it can be divine...leading you and taking care of you.

It is remarkable when this happens. And a gift that each of us have...if you come to peace with it and believe in it.

 

So true. I love that this thread is still alive! SOme very interesting convo's going on too. Though I do suck a physics too, I will look at that link.

[cerridwen]

Funny excerpt on synchronicity from Stanislov Groff's book When the Impossible Happens:

 

"In the same work, Jung also related the amusing story told by the famous

French astronomer Flammarion about a certain Monsieur Deschamps and a

special kind of plum pudding. As a boy, Deschamps was given a piece of this rare

pudding by a Monsieur de Fontgibu. For the ten years that followed, he had no opportunity to taste this delicacy until he saw the same pudding on the menu of

a Paris restaurant.

He asked the waiter for a serving, but it turned out that the

last piece of the pudding had already been ordered and eaten by Monsieur de Fontgibu, who just happened to be in the same restaurant at that time.

 

Many years later, Monsieur Deschamps was invited to a party where this

pudding was served as a special treat. While he was eating it, he remarked that

the only thing lacking was Monsieur de Fontgibu, who had introduced him

to this delicacy and had also been present during his second encounter with

it in the Paris restaurant. At that moment, the doorbell rang and an old man

walked in looking very confused. It was Monsieur de Fontgibu, who burst in

on the party by mistake because he had been given the wrong address for the place to which he was supposed to go."

 

Ah Universe, you have a good sense of humor

 

Groff, S. (2006). When the Impossible Happens. Boulder, Colo.:Sounds True.

[I am healed]

I have had numerous synchronicities in my life one of my favourites was recently I was at my lithuanian friends house and I thought it would be nice to meet some lithuanian girls.

 

well I went to a club later that night and three blond girls were standing behind me, I started talking to them and took pictures of them with their camera. And walla guess where they were from,

 

a little country called lithuania.

 

yeah it's wierd, it's real though.

[whichwayisup]

At that moment, the doorbell rang and an old man

walked in looking very confused. It was Monsieur de Fontgibu, who burst in

on the party by mistake because he had been given the wrong address for the place to which he was supposed to go."

 

That is eerie! Love it.