Update: Not Dating American Women Anymore

[jamesum]

Yes but if something is done begrudgingly that means you don't want to do it period. Of course you would hope that if you do something it would make that person happier if you really want to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but the motives are very different still.

Well, there is no way for me to know that, is there?

 

I just hope this lady is genuine and Im happy for the OP.

[aerogurl87]

Well, there is no way for me to know that, is there?

 

I just hope this lady is genuine and Im happy for the OP.

 

I'm happy for him as well, I'm happy for anyone on LS who finds happiness as a "I'm happy in my relationship/with the person I'm dating" thread is rare here. Although he could still go without the whole "American women suck" theme.

[Untouchable_Fire]

What? No it couldn't. Science recognizes a difference between empirically determined data and a hypothesis. We have empirical objective evidence that the earth is round. We do not have empirical objective evidence that all or most American women don't like to treat their men well, or are spoiled princesses. That is your opinion/hypothesis. You don't have enough data to make it a theory; believe me when I say that by no means do you have the "edge" on me in terms of validity. For every study you choose to throw out there is at least another that discounts it. It's just a hypothesis...albeit one that you're a bit overly fond of (really a no-no in science).

 

In social sciences you are required to accept some fuzziness. There are no absolutes to human behavior, and very few hard rules.

 

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see what the overall trends of behavior our culture instills in young women.

 

My biggest beef with American culture is that it tells young girls that their value is in their looks. Looking pretty is more important than being a good person, or a good mother, or even behaving in a civilized manner.

 

Our media bombards young girls with this idea that they have to be supermodels.... and the results are often bad.

 

What you are stating here are just opinions, Untouchable. Not facts. If you choose to be open to the possibility that your experience is not universal, then great. I'm open to it. But then, I didn't start this thread. Nor would I ever start a thread that suggests that all or most men or women anything anything at all. Because if I were to do that, I'd know that it came from a place of unhappiness within me, not from the world outside.

Oh, ick, to this entire condescending series of sentences. "Educate" me? Yeah, um...no thanks. (I can only imagine how you'd respond if I proposed educating you.)

As for the strawman bit...well, since some of the posts seem to have gone bye-bye in this thread, I can't quote again what you wrote. But I can say that the strawman bit I was referring to was where you said something like "you think that something something passive-aggressive is OK if women do it."

Well, no, I don't think anything of the sort. Thanks for trying to tell me what I think though, and then telling me why it's wrong. I'd love to see some evidence of this.

 

I acknowledge that my experience is not universal. You should be willing to acknowledge that it DOES represent a majority share. There are different ways to deal with it, but the overall experience is very similar to that of other men.

 

Ah... I apologize, I thought your strawman comment was in reference to the statement above it.

 

I think I intended that to be phrased as a question.

 

I didn't intend to put words in your mouth so much as make you clarify an earlier statement. I clearly didn't communicate that well. My apologies. Also the condescending "education" statement.

[Untouchable_Fire]

I am Asian,of Japanese descent....while I do not do the things that OP's "foreign" woman does, I do know quite a number who do...and yes, most of them are Filipinos. It IS cultural.

I think it is offensive that someone here said that maybe OP's friend is doing the things she does to be "more worthy". She does the things she does because that is how she knows how to show she cares about him. Some women are just not bogged down about "equality" in this aspect of the relationship....perhaps they understand or accept that in the end it all evens out.

It is interesting ( and glaringly shows the difference in attitude) that some women here think that it is ridiculous to cook food for an entire week for someone you care about. This is really not that unusual. My brother's wife when they were still dating did this every Sunday and she labeled all the containers, too.

I think instead of taking offense perhaps there is lesson to be learned here. But I'd pass .. cooking has never appealed to me that is why I am attracted to men who can cook !

Comments like ..".OP, perhaps next time , tell her the bathroom needs cleaning, too"---is absolutely uncalled for. Obviously, whoever said that, missed the point. The point is that, OP gf, cares enough about him that she is willing to cook for him and help him out with his project. So refreshing for him to be with someone who is not keeping scores, I bet.

 

I like that nobody is keeping score. I actually spend more time thinking of nice gestures and fun things we can do together. I've actually got a rough sketch of the next 12 weeks laid out in my head. Nothing solid... but just fun things we can do together.

 

I never mentioned ethnicity.... and I've had several people on this thread assume she asian... . Filipino in particular. She is not from the Phillipines.

 

I'm not sure what to think of that trend. Probably that some posters have strong stereotypes of asian women.

 

Do you think the response would have been similar had I identified her ethnicity?

 

Example, would other women respond differently to an Eastern European woman cooking meals vs. an English woman?

[theBrokenMuse]

I think it is offensive that someone here said that maybe OP's friend is doing the things she does to be "more worthy".

No. Nice strawman though. I said perhaps she is the type to overextend herself in order to be liked - and those types of folks often feel compelled to do so because of low self-esteem issues (ie. not seeing their own intrinsic value without their ultra helpful persona). People like that are not exactly rare and some of her behaviors could easily fit the pattern so it was a distinct possibility... So why take offensive to someone stating it? Are we really children here that need protection from the horrors of human psychology because it's not all sunshine and unicorn farts?

 

She does the things she does because that is how she knows how to show she cares about him.

You have nothing more than good ol' speculation about the motivations of this woman as do we all although I strongly doubt unless she was a scheming, evil witch she would be doing this stuff for the OP unless she really does like him and I really do wish for all the best for the OP in this relationship.

 

It is interesting ( and glaringly shows the difference in attitude) that some women here think that it is ridiculous to cook food for an entire week for someone you care about.

I would do it for a close family member, child or someone I was in a serious relationship with but not someone I've known for a month... It's really a bit much cultural lovers of cooking or not.

[Woggle]

If a woman is willing to a treat a man like a king then it is okay for her to expect princess treatment but don't treat a man like lunch meat and then expect a man to cater to you.

[collegeguy_24]

I am an American, I was born and raised in a military family, as such I have been able to travel the world. During all my travels, I have noticed how Americans and other cultures interact with each other, and what is expected in each culture.

 

The fact is, a large amount of american women act like princesses that feel like they can treat a guy like crap and still be catered to. And if he calls them on it, there will always be another guy.

 

Not all american women are like this though, my recent ex was not like this, in fact she was willing to pay for a lot, I just didn't let her cause I chose to be polite and pay for everything. But there were times when she would pay and would make it very point blank that she was paying and there was nothing I could do about it.

 

The reason a lot of american girls are wanting to be princesses is because of our media, look at all the teen mags, the TV shows, etc. They all glorify it and thats why women act like this. When you are raised in such a fashion, you will take in some of those aspects, for better or worse, its a fact.

 

The same can be said about men. In American culture, and indeed most world cultures, the man always has to be the big manly man, he can never cry, never show emotion, he takes care of his woman or he is ridiculed by society. Look at american television, its there all the time. Look at the cultures around the world, In Germany its the same thing.

 

The fact is both genders in America are screwed up, thanks to the dominance of social media and the lack of teaching of todays parents. If a woman doesn't treat her man well, she is the perfect woman, if she does treat him well, she's a doormat submitting to the male dominance of society.

 

If a man shows any kind of emotion thats not anger, jealousy, or hate, he is ridiculed by being called a wussy, being berated and told to man up. At the same time, if a man calls a woman on her behavior, the woman can move on, its a proven fact that it is easier for them to do then men, but thats another argument for another post.

[GooseChaser]

If a woman is willing to a treat a man like a king then it is okay for her to expect princess treatment but don't treat a man like lunch meat and then expect a man to cater to you.

That makes a lot of sense! How interesting!

[GooseChaser]

The fact is both genders in America are screwed up, thanks to the dominance of social media and the lack of teaching of todays parents. If a woman doesn't treat her man well, she is the perfect woman, if she does treat him well, she's a doormat submitting to the male dominance of society.

Yeah, I think my mom is trying to influence me that way. I'm not going to let it get to me though; I'm doing just fine. I'm not a doormat for caring.

[SpillinItAll]

For all the guys that have been frustrated by dating in the U.S. you should read this update.

 

About a month ago I stopped dating women born in the U.S. and started dating women from other cultures. Mostly because I felt my chances of getting a faithful woman from this country is very difficult.

Now that I've switched I can tell you that there are some other cultural differences that are huge positives.

 

I've been seeing 1 woman in particular quite a bit. I have noticed over the past month or so that she is MUCH less shallow and MUCH less materialistic than the previous girls I've dated.

 

She also comes over and cooks! Yes she actually cooks... and it's really good. She came over on Saturday and cooked me an entire weeks worth of meals.

 

She doesn't play games and is very upfront with her feelings. She told me straight out that she liked me. No waiting 3 days to call or any of that junk... I can call anytime I want to talk to her.

 

She doesn't expect me to pay for everything. This also seems to be a huge change. Previous dates have often had a very expectant attitude. I've been on lots of dates where I felt like I hired an escort instead of made a date. I still pay for everything... I've just never had a woman offer to pay for both of us before... only herself.

 

She helped me put together a presentation for work. It took 3 hours and she did some of it at home without me. This almost blew my mind. I've never had an American girl even act interested in my work so long as my paychecks show up on time.

 

There are lots more differences.... I mean a TON! For all those stereotypes about guys going for foreign women... it's mostly BS. It really feels like that's just a scare tactic as a deterrent from showing you the truth!!

Sounds to me you have a keeper for sure! I hope you are faithful to her because this girl sounds fantastic. I do think American culture has really become off putting in the dating world in general. I tend to like foreign men as well even though I am an American girl.

[Tiberius]

I know of a polish girl raised in Germany who went on to live in Italy sicily and moved in with a guy who is in the Italian navy. He was gone a lot of course and she took advantage of it. She got with a semi mafioso guy after a year or so and told him in front of friends that she found somebody who can do her good. He slightly slapped her. She went on to charge him for it, adding bogus charges on top, (like that he was controlling and didnt let her leave the house when he was gone a lot and she did guys at his place).

 

When it comes to picking girls and stocks there is no magic formula. You gotta know what to look for, although it is true that a certain social enviroment may produce an abbundance of the kind of woman a guy does not like. If that is the case, if you go looking elsewhere where your chances are better, you still risk to catch the "odd one out" you wanted to avoid if you dont know what to look for.

 

Buy yes, depending on where you live, there is an abbundance of "that kinda woman/man" . In Italy it is certainly not unusual for a woman to cook although not all can do homemade pasta they way my nana used to do.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Tiberius

[aerogurl87]

If a woman is willing to a treat a man like a king then it is okay for her to expect princess treatment but don't treat a man like lunch meat and then expect a man to cater to you.

 

I agree 100% Woggle.

[BruceLeroy]

What is with all the cultural bias? Crap behavior isn't genentic. People who are use to getting anything their heart desires will have greater expectations. A penis doesn't lower a persons expectations anymore than a vagina makes them higher. And in case no one had noticed we got both poor and rich people in the US. Stands to reason people raised with material excess will expect more excess.

Maybe its you fellas who flaunt your wallet to get female attention thats mucking it up for others? Maybe its that the wallet flaunters go for the plastic barbies and the plastic barbies are on the cover every mag from teeny tabloids to body builing? Its screams "these bitches are the hotest and we show them this with moeny!" 13 year old Tammy wants to be thought of as the best too and when she grows up, if she isn't getting the paper out your wallet, she feels under cut and everyone will know she isn't hot **** cuz where are her rocks and designer duds?

Then the dudes, if they dont get to be seen with the plasitc barbie, they must not be Mr. Alpha Male and ooooh everyone is going to know it. Their second choice is the chick who with betty crocker the house and stick around cuz they lack options for caring for themselves. (I'm looking at you old gen dudes! Thanks for making a mess I gotta wade thru!)

Whichever way, it doesn't sound like it can be pinned on any one sex.

 

Stupid. Just find someone you click with and stop checking the pedegree. It makes you sound racist.

[soserious1]

During my marriage I was the sole breadwinner, I have to say that the nastiest, most scathing comments about this situation were directed at me overwhelmingly by other women!

 

It was so noxious that I made it a point to be out of the office on days like Valentine's day when the others would be receiving the obligatory deliveries

of flowers & gifts. On that day all sorts of remarks regarding my value & worth as woman flowed quite freely. Funny how you could hear a pin drop though when I asked these gals if they made the same types of comments to male co-workers who also received nothing that day but who in all probability shelled out plenty to appease some gal.

 

Adding here that we didn't do things like Valentine's, Christmas or birthday gifts for me because buying me a gift was basically

laying another bill on the table for me to pay.. pointless & dumb particularly if it wasn't something I'd have picked for myself anyway.

Edited September 28, 2010 by soserious1

[theBrokenMuse]

During my marriage I was the sole breadwinner, I have to say that the nastiest, most scathing comments about this situation were directed at me overwhelmingly by other women!

Yup the female breadwinners and SAHMs are the ones that I've seen picked on the most by cackling office hens. Those women are a damn nuisance. They remind me of those snobby high school cliques. I guess some people really never grow up.

[stillafool]

I have to say so many jealous women on this thread. Its funny that when a man takes care of a woman it is expected and he is being a man. But if a woman takes care of a man all the other women are putting her down and calling her a doormat.

 

That is soooooo NOT TRUE! The women on this thread are happy for the OP that he has found a woman he loves. It's just not fair to degrade an entire group of women because of his previous experiences. To be honest, the way the OP worded his first post was as if he wanted to incite jealousy or fear from American women. American women are not jealous of foreign women and their interest in American men. There are plenty of men from all cultures to go around.

[elaina]

I like that nobody is keeping score. I actually spend more time thinking of nice gestures and fun things we can do together. I've actually got a rough sketch of the next 12 weeks laid out in my head. Nothing solid... but just fun things we can do together.

 

Cool

 

I never mentioned ethnicity.... and I've had several people on this thread assume she asian... . Filipino in particular. She is not from the Phillipines.

 

Neither Tami-chan nor I said your girlfriend is from the Phillipines, now did we? We did however state that in the Filipino culture, cooking is a way to show someone you care. I mentioned a good friend of mine who is an awesome cook and Tami-chan mentioned that cooking for others is a part of Filipino culture. Nowhere does that mean that we assume she is Asian, but rather that we know Asian people who are very generous with their cooking abilities.

 

I'm not sure what to think of that trend. Probably that some posters have strong stereotypes of asian women.

 

Sometimes I wonder if some people thoroughly read others' posts. Tami-chan didn't say anything stereotyping of Asian women, and neither did I. We were talking about culture, and a very positive culture trait at that! And look who's writing lol! A person who has strong stereotypes against American women how funny!!!

 

Do you think the response would have been similar had I identified her ethnicity?

 

 

I don't think many people really care what her ethnicity is. There are both men and women on here who are happy for you and her, no matter what ethnicity. It seems you are the one who is so hung up on where she is from, hmmm? The only thing that upsets American women is you stereotyping all for what some do.

 

Example, would other women respond differently to an Eastern European woman cooking meals vs. an English woman?

 

? I don't know, but I'm sure they make delicious food too!

[elaina]

It speaks volumnes how many women view actually treating a man as well as being a doormat. It doesn't degrade a woman to actually be good to the man she loves.

 

Agreed Actually, it lifts her up, as opposed to degrading her.

[elaina]

Sounds to me you have a keeper for sure! I hope you are faithful to her because this girl sounds fantastic.

 

Agreed!

 

I do think American culture has really become off putting in the dating world in general.

 

It's possible.

 

 

I tend to like foreign men as well even though I am an American girl.

 

Me too, even though I don't have anything against American men in general.

[TouchedByViolet]

Why is it that in our culture if a woman sleeps with me on the first date... that's just her being a liberated woman to most women who post here. Yet... if she cooks me some meals, she is suddenly trying too hard and not valuing herself?

 

 

I thought this summed up a lot of the craziness well.

 

Does this woman have a sister?

[Untouchable_Fire]

Sounds to me you have a keeper for sure! I hope you are faithful to her because this girl sounds fantastic. I do think American culture has really become off putting in the dating world in general. I tend to like foreign men as well even though I am an American girl.

 

I have no interest in anyone else. If it comes to that point I will just end the relationship with respect and keep my dignity.

 

I believe this relationship will last a long time... hopefully forever.

 

Typically I am like a relationship mirror... the more effort she puts in the more I put in... which right now is alot. The trick will be keeping things even during any lulls.

 

When it comes to picking girls and stocks there is no magic formula. You gotta know what to look for, although it is true that a certain social enviroment may produce an abbundance of the kind of woman a guy does not like. If that is the case, if you go looking elsewhere where your chances are better, you still risk to catch the "odd one out" you wanted to avoid if you dont know what to look for.

 

Yup.... that is pretty much the point of this whole thread. My home seems to have an abundance of the kind of women most guys don't like.... so I looked elsewhere.

 

I'm partly upset that I wasted so many years dating these girls. However, the other part of me is glad because it helps me to appreciate the things that are really important.

 

 

What is with all the cultural bias? Crap behavior isn't genentic. People who are use to getting anything their heart desires will have greater expectations. A penis doesn't lower a persons expectations anymore than a vagina makes them higher. And in case no one had noticed we got both poor and rich people in the US. Stands to reason people raised with material excess will expect more excess.

Maybe its you fellas who flaunt your wallet to get female attention thats mucking it up for others? Maybe its that the wallet flaunters go for the plastic barbies and the plastic barbies are on the cover every mag from teeny tabloids to body builing? Its screams "these bitches are the hotest and we show them this with moeny!" 13 year old Tammy wants to be thought of as the best too and when she grows up, if she isn't getting the paper out your wallet, she feels under cut and everyone will know she isn't hot **** cuz where are her rocks and designer duds?

Stupid. Just find someone you click with and stop checking the pedegree. It makes you sound racist.

 

Not sure exactly what your point is, but I've really avoided the barbi doll type since college.

 

I never struggle to get dates, and I've had plenty of experience with what I don't like.

 

Yup the female breadwinners and SAHMs are the ones that I've seen picked on the most by cackling office hens. Those women are a damn nuisance. They remind me of those snobby high school cliques. I guess some people really never grow up.

 

It's true. Highschool never ends. It just gets bigger.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Neither Tami-chan nor I said your girlfriend is from the Phillipines, now did we? We did however state that in the Filipino culture, cooking is a way to show someone you care. I mentioned a good friend of mine who is an awesome cook and Tami-chan mentioned that cooking for others is a part of Filipino culture. Nowhere does that mean that we assume she is Asian, but rather that we know Asian people who are very generous with their cooking abilities.

 

I wasn't really referencing your comments.

 

For the record... I think you have a fantastic attitude, and any guy would be lucky to share a life with you.

 

Sometimes I wonder if some people thoroughly read others' posts. Tami-chan didn't say anything stereotyping of Asian women, and neither did I. We were talking about culture, and a very positive culture trait at that! And look who's writing lol! A person who has strong stereotypes against American women how funny!!!

 

I run into that alot in real life too. My cousin dated a 1/2 asian girl and he got tons of crap about it.

 

Again I wasn't really referencing the comments by you and Tami. It was the other posters who tended towards being derogatory.

 

I don't think many people really care what her ethnicity is. There are both men and women on here who are happy for you and her, no matter what ethnicity. It seems you are the one who is so hung up on where she is from, hmmm? The only thing that upsets American women is you stereotyping all for what some do.

 

I'm not really hung up on it. I just get a little defensive when I hear people suggest she is just a doormat or manipulatively insecure.

 

In regards to ethnicity... I think you and Tami referenced it in her defense, which I really appreciated.

 

Other posters I think were referencing it in a derogatory way.

 

I didn't mention it in my original post because I don't think it important.

 

In regards to stereotyping American women.... I can see the irony... but I also realize that some stereotypes are based on media and fiction, and some are well founded in reality. Not all stereotypes are created equally.

 

It's like getting sick after eating mushrooms... afterwards you will tend to avoid mushrooms. That's the same mental mechanism for a stereotype, and it serves the same purpose. Get hurt 8 or 9 times.... and you learn to avoid something.

 

Doesnt mean all American women are bad... but the amount of bad ones is very high as a percentage. Can't say much about guys in this country.... I don't date them.

[elaina]

 

I wasn't really referencing your comments.

 

Oh! Sorry for assuming you meant us.

 

For the record... I think you have a fantastic attitude, and any guy would be lucky to share a life with you.

 

Ok! That does it! You are now a great man in my book!

 

 

I run into that alot in real life too. My cousin dated a 1/2 asian girl and he got tons of crap about it.

 

Why? Asian people are awesome!

 

Again I wasn't really referencing the comments by you and Tami. It was the other posters who tended towards being derogatory.

 

 

And here I was ready for a fight... sorry for jumping on you then.

 

I'm not really hung up on it. I just get a little defensive when I hear people suggest she is just a doormat or manipulatively insecure.

 

Oh sure I understand. If someone said anything against my man's ethnicity (His Mom is from Guam) I would be defensive too.)

 

In regards to ethnicity... I think you and Tami referenced it in her defense, which I really appreciated.

 

Cool

 

Other posters I think were referencing it in a derogatory way.

 

I didn't mention it in my original post because I don't think it important.

 

In regards to stereotyping American women.... I can see the irony... but I also realize that some stereotypes are based on media and fiction, and some are well founded in reality. Not all stereotypes are created equally.

 

It's like getting sick after eating mushrooms... afterwards you will tend to avoid mushrooms. That's the same mental mechanism for a stereotype, and it serves the same purpose. Get hurt 8 or 9 times.... and you learn to avoid something.

 

Doesnt mean all American women are bad... but the amount of bad ones is very high as a percentage. Can't say much about guys in this country.... I don't date them

 

I'm glad you stated that not all American women are bad, cause it does seem like you do stereotype all Amrican women for the faults of some, but I'm glad you are making a disctinction here.

 

I don't know what constitutes a "bad one." Could you please explain your opinion of a "bad" American woman? (If that's against the forum's rules, then don't cause I don't mean to get you banned or anything.)

[BruceLeroy]

Not sure exactly what your point is, but I've really avoided the barbi doll type since college.

 

I never struggle to get dates, and I've had plenty of experience with what I don't like.

 

Look, I respect the hell outta my mom and sis. some of the stuff I read on here from dudes would have me at them with a bat if they ever came round sniffing either of them. I'm glad you're have a good time with your girl no matter where she is from, but if you started in with yer American Woman crap in front of my mom we'd have a problem.

I know what you're talking about as far as attitude goes. I remember this group of 3 chicks I went to school with that really thought they was a prize and a half. not even American! Just rude and rich is all. One got really rude with me one day for how sweaty the seat I'd been in was cuz it was her seat for next class. Now I culda been rude right back and insulted her nationality as cause but then I'm just a rude ass too. See my point now? If you don't like rude bitches, don't act like one even in revenge. And when I meet a chick who isn't rude I don't go asking her if she is transplanted or check for citizenship either.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Why? Asian people are awesome!

 

I think so too. But it seems when tall blond guys like my cousin date asian women the stereotype seems to be that she just wants citizenship papers or money and he wants some kind of domestic slave.

 

That irks me.

 

I'm glad you stated that not all American women are bad, cause it does seem like you do stereotype all Amrican women for the faults of some, but I'm glad you are making a disctinction here.

I don't know what constitutes a "bad one." Could you please explain your opinion of a "bad" American woman? (If that's against the forum's rules, then don't cause I don't mean to get you banned or anything.)

 

I'm not totally delusional. I know some really quality women here in the U.S. almost all of which are either currently married or in LTR's. One in particular is recently single... but has 3 kids and exclusively dates controlling and abusive men. That kind of takes me out of the running.

 

The original crux of my argument was that compared to previous generations and other countries... the women here are generally unfaithful. I believe this to be a phenomenon created by our media saturated culture, laws that promote it, and an epidemic failure in the family structure.

 

I believe that there are many women in the U.S. that are either naturally unaffected by these influences, or have not been made subject to them.

 

So, instead of wading through the muck searching for one of the few women who are good... I just decided to wash my hands of it and look for a woman raised in a setting more similar to mine.

 

I estimate that I've dated over 100 american girls with no quality women who matched. So far I've dated 3 foreign women, and I think 2 were good matches, 1 I'm currently seeing who is better than anyone I've ever dated before.

 

Sorry for the long winded summary.

 

Look, I respect the hell outta my mom and sis. some of the stuff I read on here from dudes would have me at them with a bat if they ever came round sniffing either of them. I'm glad you're have a good time with your girl no matter where she is from, but if you started in with yer American Woman crap in front of my mom we'd have a problem.

I know what you're talking about as far as attitude goes. I remember this group of 3 chicks I went to school with that really thought they was a prize and a half. not even American! Just rude and rich is all. One got really rude with me one day for how sweaty the seat I'd been in was cuz it was her seat for next class. Now I culda been rude right back and insulted her nationality as cause but then I'm just a rude ass too. See my point now? If you don't like rude bitches, don't act like one even in revenge. And when I meet a chick who isn't rude I don't go asking her if she is transplanted or check for citizenship either.

 

I'm not going to date your mom or your sis. I stated quite flatly that I have no interest in dating women from this culture anymore.

 

Besides... I'm not talking about rude women. I can pick out and avoid rude snobby women from a mile away. Same goes for many other types of bad behavior.

 

However, I can't pick out the dishonest, skeezy cheats, and since they seem to make up a large majority of the female population... I'm avoiding the issue entirely.