U1987 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 You know how people say that people appreciate what they have to work for? Well, according to a lot of Pick Up Artist websites, women get really weary of men coming up to them trying to compliment them to death. They also say that they will be more attracted to men if men demonstrate that they're not that into them, and that they have to work to gain his approval. That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer"
tami-chan Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 You know how people say that people appreciate what they have to work for? Well, according to a lot of Pick Up Artist websites, women get really weary of men coming up to them trying to compliment them to death. They also say that they will be more attracted to men if men demonstrate that they're not that into them, and that they have to work to gain his approval. That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer" Only way to find out....try it and report back to us !
sugarmomma Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Hahahaha!! Tami why are you sending him off like that knowing he will get egg all over his face. OP stay off those websites since they are not professionals and only teach guys how to play stupid ass games.
sanskrit Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Good question, and a very important one. Many posters here seem to have a problem with getting focused on one option too quickly in dating, and crave acceptance so much that they don't stop and ask themselves if they are receiving proper treatment and respect, they just "want" and are willing to put up with much crap to attain their desire. Dunno if it would work or not as a PUA technique, but it would be rude unless stated in an extremely flirty, tongue-in-cheek way, same if a woman asked you that. It's more of an attitude of self-respect, expecting good treatment from others, and not losing your will over the first shiny thing you see than something that is actually discussed. It's also about sense of security. Some people respond better to poor treatment than good treatment, as it confirms self-doubt deep inside. When that isn't an issue for you, people have a radar that tells them "This guy is obviously not going to take my sh_t." That attitude is attractive to other secure people, and simultaneously screens out insecure, low self-esteem types. Had a woman say on a date, "I bet I am the hottest woman you have ever been out with." The reply I used, "you couldn't possibly be that insecure," had extreme and immediate positive results, so that is one "magic phrase" you might keep in mind. I think for guys what you are suggesting is a more attitudinal and reactive posture than a proactive question.
Cee Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 I've read some PUA stuff and some of it makes sense, such as don't get "oneitis." But that line you created is absolutely terrible. Compliments work because they are especially suited to a person. Basically, you said that she's pretty in an ordinary way. I would suggest that you work with your strengths. If you are funny, be funny. If you are smart, be a riveting intellectual. If you are perceptive, listen well. You get my drift?
porter218 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Had a woman say on a date, "I bet I am the hottest woman you have ever been out with." The reply I used, "you couldn't possibly be that insecure," had extreme and immediate positive results, so that is one "magic phrase" you might keep in mind. I think for guys what you are suggesting is a more attitudinal and reactive posture than a proactive question. U1987s comment would immediately turn me off and I would cross him of the list right then and there....but this one sanskrit used is kinda funny. You need to exude confidence in yourself to get a woman worth anything. Rude PUA lines don't work. Maybe giving a general sense of "I can take it or leave it" without actually saying in out loud may work.
Feelin Frisky Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 ...Well, according to a lot of Pick Up Artist websites, women get really weary of men coming up to them trying to compliment them to death. They also say that they will be more attracted to men if men demonstrate that they're not that into them, and that they have to work to gain his approval. That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer" I agree with the assertion in the first quoted paragraph. But the second is patent retardation. Ya don't think out loud like that. It's already a bit of a downer perhaps to be predictable in passing on a compliment but to compound that by expressing something so arrogant is social suicide.
FryFish Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 The biggest thing you can bring to the table when trying to pick up chicks is confidence. Its insanely hard at first and the ONLY way to increase it is practice... You WILL take a few bruises... But the bruises with the reward of experience.
waynebrady Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 You know how people say that people appreciate what they have to work for? Well, according to a lot of Pick Up Artist websites, women get really weary of men coming up to them trying to compliment them to death. They also say that they will be more attracted to men if men demonstrate that they're not that into them, and that they have to work to gain his approval. That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer" I don't think that's true. I don't really think anybody man or women would like that. Women like to say that type of stuff about men, and that the woman should play hard to get and make him work to get her and all that and make him feel she is not that into him... And I absolutley hate it when women say that that's what men want. Because that's just not true. If a woman doesn't display her intrest and instead plays hard to get then she can **** off. I really don't think women would like that treatment either.
waynebrady Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Hahahaha!! Tami why are you sending him off like that knowing he will get egg all over his face. OP stay off those websites since they are not professionals and only teach guys how to play stupid ass games. Yet according to pretty much all women it's absolutley ok for a woman to play the same stupid ass games.
waynebrady Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Women always want the guy to prove himself for her and work to get her and all that... Would women like the same treatment, would a woman be willing to prove herself and work to get the guy she wants? Offcourse Not. It's typical female double standards. If I need to work to get a woman then she obviously isn't that intrested in me.
Mad Max Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 You know how people say that people appreciate what they have to work for? Well, according to a lot of Pick Up Artist websites, women get really weary of men coming up to them trying to compliment them to death. They also say that they will be more attracted to men if men demonstrate that they're not that into them, and that they have to work to gain his approval. That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer" They should prove themselves through actions. The part I bolded is just flat out obnoxious and disrespectful.
welikeincrowds Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Hahaha, poor bro. All misguided. You have good intentions, I'm sure you do. Compliments work because they are especially suited to a person. Basically, you said that she's pretty in an ordinary way. I would suggest that you work with your strengths. If you are funny, be funny. If you are smart, be a riveting intellectual. If you are perceptive, listen well. You get my drift? Perfect advice. On the "prove yourself" thing: I actually have my own ~*patented*~ (not really) guideline that I use, and I think it covers everything in the most unspecific way. "Watch that she deserves you; show her you deserve her." I'm going to use it to explain my thoughts on this, because I think if you're going to PUA sites, what you really need right now are general guidelines. I realize that people go to bars knowing that there's a chance all this will happen, but it doesn't matter. If you're approaching a girl cold, without being introduced by a friend or within a group setting, then you're essentially interrupting her. By giving you an audience instead of blowing you off, she's essentially taking a risk on you anyway. You've also already decided upon the first half of the guideline, on however minor level, by approaching her in the first place ("Man, she's hot, I want to go talk to her" = she meets some criteria of yours), so it's time to reciprocate with the second half of the guideline. Unless you show her when you interrupt her that you do deserve to, you will fail. Unfortunately, your line focuses on the first half of the guideline, and not all that tactfully. This is partly why Cee's advice to you is so good -- it's about showing (not telling) the positive qualities you have, the ones that make you deserve her. By the way, a good compliment can show a woman you know how to appreciate her, and can go a long way in showing her you deserve her. A bad compliment (or, usually, string of compliments) lets her know that you just want to ****, but you don't know how to ask for it. Hope this helped, good luck bro.
Surrealist Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Women always want the guy to prove himself for her and work to get her and all that... Would women like the same treatment, would a woman be willing to prove herself and work to get the guy she wants? Offcourse Not. It's typical female double standards. If I need to work to get a woman then she obviously isn't that intrested in me. I agree with you, particularly the part about she not being that interested. Problem is, the favour is tipped toward women unfortunately - for us, so they can afford to do this, unless of course they are delusional overweight middle-aged ogresses. The thing is, when we guys sit back and don't put in the effort to prove ourselves so to speak, we end up being the ones sitting on the sideline watching other guys get the women we like.
xpaperxcutx Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 I think for guys what you are suggesting is a more attitudinal and reactive posture than a proactive question.[/QUOTE] The bolded is the only conclusive reason I can think of as to why the OP would think asking a rude question such as the one he's stated would in any way produce a " positive" response. From dating and being a member of this board, I can say PUA is complete garbage. Only real confidence can garauntee any chance with a " hot" woman, and even if she rejects you, at least confidence provides a safe landing pad for you to not walk away dejected.
FryFish Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer" They should prove themselves through actions. The part I bolded is just flat out obnoxious and disrespectful. I wouldnt say flat out. In fact I bet that I could pull it off with positive results myself at least half the time... But only because I have a LOT of practice walking the fine line between funny and complete *******.
40 Fonzarelli Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 PUA is not garbage. It's not my thing but its been successful for many men out there. It isn't geared towards dating/relationships. It is intended for "get laid ASAP, preferably the night you met".
phineas Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 If you gotta ask, then your doing something wrong.
lso802 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Some guys may ask girls to prove themselves to them. Their actions say something completely different, when they allow a girl to flake on them over and over again. I'd rather not "ask" a girl to prove herself to me. She'll know if she's messing up by my actions.
Chubbi Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 PUA is not garbage. It's not my thing but its been successful for many men out there. It isn't geared towards dating/relationships. It is intended for "get laid ASAP, preferably the night you met". How do PUA avoid STDs? Wouldn't picking up women and sleeping with them without getting to know them hugely increase the risk for a STD or I?
Mad Max Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 How do PUA avoid STDs? Wouldn't picking up women and sleeping with them without getting to know them hugely increase the risk for a STD or I? Certainly, and many women sleep with these guys.
that girl Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Most PUA tips seem to be about faking confidence to get the easy prey. Someone who actually has self-confidence isn't looking for other people to prove their worth. They have enough self-regard that they can give people a chance without grovelling or playing games.
Knittress Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 You know how people say that people appreciate what they have to work for? Well, according to a lot of Pick Up Artist websites, women get really weary of men coming up to them trying to compliment them to death. They also say that they will be more attracted to men if men demonstrate that they're not that into them, and that they have to work to gain his approval. That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer" If you did that to me I'd wonder why you were acting like a bully who'd cross a room in order to single me out and pick on me. I'd dislike you intensely, back away quickly, and then tell everyone else in the room what a jerk you were to me. I can't see how this approach would work in your favor AT ALL. I mean, it's true that I'm weirded out by people that kiss my ass for no reason. But I believe the vibe you ought to going for is an intriguing "I'm your equal and I'm interesting" NOT "I hate you, talk me out of it."
Crazy Magnet Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Guys who don't act interested in me or who don't think I'm the cat's meow get nexted pretty fast. I don't have to "try" to prove myself or make somebody like me, either the guy does or does not want to date me. About the only thing your line would get with me and my friends is all of us laughing at you.
dispatch3d Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 You know how people say that people appreciate what they have to work for? Well, according to a lot of Pick Up Artist websites, women get really weary of men coming up to them trying to compliment them to death. They also say that they will be more attracted to men if men demonstrate that they're not that into them, and that they have to work to gain his approval. That being said, would it ever be okay to say to a girl "So you're pretty cute. But so are half the girls in this room. What else do you have to offer" This is a "qualifying" question. It's asked after attraction but before comfort. Basically she likes you and you're giving her a quesiton so you can "qualify" her on reason you care about her besides her looks. Reasons you like her besides just because she's hot. That said, this question is a relatively big qualifier. So no, you don't lead with this one. If you go up to some girl and say that to her expect egg on your face! Well, I guess rude ones would egg you haha. Most just wouldn't respond because why would they? They assume them>you. You gotta establish you>them to ask this. You can't half-assed apply some of this stuff. Either you practice it every day/3-4 times a week for a few months, or you loosely apply the ideas but never actually apply anything. Doing it soso when you feel like is a complete disaster. The reason is kinda complex but not really. Basically anytime you add something new to your skillset (talking general life) you have to expect that you'll get worse before you get better. Because the new skills you just learn you actually suck at. Same goes with this stuff. Except the learning curve is steep and kind of brutal. Obviously, worse **** will happen to you in life, but it's not overly fun. Fwiw stay the **** away from negs ;-)
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