Age differences

[112233]

thanks for the clarification.

 

I guess it's POSSIBLE but unlikely to an extreme. I mean, it's POSSIBLE you could get struck by lightening, then a few seconds later by a meteor, win the multistate lottery, and have an airplane crash on you as you beat Tiger Woods on the 18th hole as he was eaten by a rogue black hole. But it's really unlikely.

 

Also, I would never do anything illegal. That's my policy.

[Dexter Morgan]

I guess it's POSSIBLE but unlikely to an extreme.

 

even saying its possible is just

[112233]

even saying its possible is just

 

You're the one positing situations that are impossible in any real cases. You're making yourself sick with bizarre imaginings. In reality the youngest I've been with was 16, and that was a long time ago, because I'm not attracted to women below late teens. That's pretty normal, I find women from 19-24 to be the most attractive, and I've seen some a bit younger and a bit older that looked good in some cases.

 

You're building a strawman and I indulged you for once. My mistake I guess.

 

I suppose it's possible in the strict sense of "possible" for a 3 year old to be freakishly developed both mentally and physically so as to be indistinguishable from a typical 21 year old, but again, it's not at all likely, to the degree that in reality it will never happen. If it did it's an interesting philosophical question as to how such a person should be treated. Should she be restricted as to her rights and privileges simply due to her calendar age? Or should she be afforded rights and privileges based on her maturity and development?

[Dexter Morgan]

You're the one positing situations that are impossible in any real cases.

 

no, you're the one that is saying its a possibility that you'd have sex, as an adult male, with a 12 year old based on your answer to the question.

 

I can tell you there is no possibility of me having sex with a child like that, you just couldn't say the same....said it was possible that you could.

[112233]

no, you're the one that is saying its a possibility that you'd have sex, as an adult male, with a 12 year old based on your answer to the question.

 

Look at the answer, as I wrote it. Clearly the word "possible" has a specific meaning, and I think I was pretty clear that while almost anything can be said to be "possible" there are things that while strictly speaking are possible, are so unlikely they are never going to happen in the lifetime of our sun.

 

Also, I think that since I indulged your crazy question you should respond to my last paragraph in the above post:

 

"I suppose it's possible in the strict sense of "possible" for a 3 year old to be freakishly developed both mentally and physically so as to be indistinguishable from a typical 21 year old, but again, it's not at all likely, to the degree that in reality it will never happen. If it did it's an interesting philosophical question as to how such a person should be treated. Should she be restricted as to her rights and privileges simply due to her calendar age? Or should she be afforded rights and privileges based on her maturity and development?"

 

 

 

 

I can tell you there is no possibility of me having sex with a child like that, you just couldn't say the same....said it was possible that you could.

 

Well clearly if the 12 year old was completely indistinguishable from a 25 year old, you might and not even know it. Heck, you might have already, assuming you've had sex with a woman.

Edited December 7, 2010 by 112233

[Dexter Morgan]

"I suppose it's possible in the strict sense of "possible" for a 3 year old to be freakishly developed both mentally and physically so as to be indistinguishable from a typical 21 year old, but again, it's not at all likely, to the degree that in reality it will never happen. If it did it's an interesting philosophical question as to how such a person should be treated. Should she be restricted as to her rights and privileges simply due to her calendar age? Or should she be afforded rights and privileges based on her maturity and development?"

 

 

this isn't a question of whether someone might look older, its a question of, how old are they really and if you know they are, for example, 12 years old, would you still be of the mindset that as long as other criteria are met that you would KNOWINGLY bed down a 12 year old?

 

 

 

 

Well clearly if the 12 year old was completely indistinguishable from a 25 year old, you might and not even know it. Heck, you might have already, assuming you've had sex with a woman.

 

 

again, not talking about if you don't do your homework to find out if she is 12...if you KNOW she is 12 and meets your other criteria...what then?

[112233]

this isn't a question of whether someone might look older, its a question of, how old are they really ...

 

If someone were physically and mentally as developed as a 30 year old, but they were 12 calendar years old, what rights should they have? In the future technology to do this will exist, after all. If you think this is not worth discussing, I tend to agree, it's as pointless as your hypothetical but almost impossible situation, because it's essentially identical.

[Dexter Morgan]

If someone were physically and mentally as developed as a 30 year old, but they were 12 calendar years old, what rights should they have? In the future technology to do this will exist, after all. If you think this is not worth discussing, I tend to agree, it's as pointless as your hypothetical but almost impossible situation, because it's essentially identical.

 

its real simple, I'm asking you flat out, if you know a girl is 12, but meet the other criteria you said makes age a "magical number", then would you knowingly have sex with a 12 year old. Your responses indicate that you would.

 

And this song is your theme song apparently. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCDoBvG1HoI

[112233]

its real simple, I'm asking you flat out, if you know a girl is 12, but meet the other criteria you said makes age a "magical number" ...

 

I don't think I could but there's no logical reason for that, since my criteria include maturity and mental development. When in the future the technology exists to allow a person to live in a simulation prior to being downloaded into a biological body, we could see someone who is a few days old by the calendar who has the experiences and development of a 30 year old. I would think that person should be treated like who they are and not based on some arbitrary numbering scheme based on how long it takes our planet to travel around our star.

 

You never answered my question.

[Dexter Morgan]

I don't think I could but there's no logical reason for that, since my criteria include maturity and mental development.

 

again, thank you for telling us that if you know a girl is 12 and meets your criteria for maturity and mental development, that you would mow the grass.

 

 

You never answered my question.

 

yes, I did, with a question. it isn't a question of whether you have to GUESS a person's age, it was a question if you KNEW their age.

 

I'm not asking if you are a good judge of how old someone is.

[112233]

again, thank you for telling us that if you know a girl is 12 and meets your criteria for maturity and mental development, that you would mow the grass.

 

Actually if you were less intent on proving your preconceived notions and more intent on comprehending, you would notice I said that in reality, as a practical matter, I probably could not.

 

I merely added that I have no logical basis for that.

 

 

 

I'm not asking if you are a good judge of how old someone is.

 

That wasn't the question, this is the one you are dodging:

 

"If someone were physically and mentally as developed as a 30 year old, but they were 12 calendar years old, what rights should they have? In the future technology to do this will exist, after all."

[Dexter Morgan]

"oooh, i love to dance a little sidestep...now you see me now you don't I've come and gone."

[112233]

"oooh, i love to dance a little sidestep...now you see me now you don't I've come and gone."

 

I don't think I could but there's no logical reason for that

 

....

 

You never answered my question.

 

 

Same as before.

[Viva]

A reason being why people have such a ridiculous time accepting this concept of a young girl and older male is because of the structure of order in every day life. Let me explain...

 

Schooling: Society starts to distribute us in groups, they standardize everything. From pre-k, 1st grade, 2nd grade....11th grade, 12th grade and beyond. And within these groups is an even more compact grouping of different age groups (for example: if you're a senior in HS in the U.S. you're seen to be closely aged to 18, and there are many who see an 18 yr old far more intelligent and experienced then someone who is let's say a sophomore at age 16) We are told in our society (USA) to look at these age groups as inexperienced and naive though this is true on certain platforms. What isn't said is the decrease in divergent thinking as students progress through the education system; they lose the creativity to come up with a multitude of new ways of thinking, this deteriorates, we are then told to think in institutionalized ways and this in itself is limiting and most definitely one-sided.

 

IN America you must be the legal age of 18 or older to smoke or drink. Though in parts of Europe the legal age is 16 and above. What if America were like Europe? Do you believe that it is the laws of your society that have shaped your viewpoints on age qualifications? How would your viewpoints differ from those of a different country? Surely those in disagreement of 'age qualifications' when concerned with dating/relationships would have a problem accepting this thread. Hmm, why is that?? I'm curious...we get our information from parents, friends, media, whatever is closest to us and it becomes our morals, our ethics, our definition of a class of people, it even becomes part of race in some matters.

 

However when we're talking on a subject that each person has been shaped to define by the very figures in their own society we see disagreement. Unchanging beliefs. In plain english it's one person saying I'm right and you're wrong regardless of your ideals and upbringing. Both sides are doing this in this thread, saying 'this is my side of the line, oh well, deal with it'. And to truly say you are open-minded to the other side's traditions, etc, is to say that thier way in fact does work and is not disfunctional as one would disagree if they chose to just see it by their view.

 

Before I lose whatever the hell I'm trying to say let me go back to the 18/16 year old bit. Who among here would view an 18 year old more mature than a 16 year old? And what ever your answer may be I want you to think what causes you to lead up to this, what were you taught? The 'Old Ways' were functional when you think about it, and look at today's society (across the globe), would you say civilization has become more orderly OR risingly chaotic within an organized society?

 

MY POINT: Making a judgement on someone's story that is in disagreement to their viewpoint is just wrong when you only judge them from what you've seen on your own turf and the 16 years olds around you. You have to open your mind and see it from their side as well. Does it work? Is it functional? Does it fail alot or do most of these relationships succeed? Is it a topic worthy of so much attention to those in question as it is to the outsider? Why would that be? <---It's in that last question that you find the differences between cultures. But to judge solely on what your society sees fit does nothing but exchange words in complete or run-on sentences on this forum.

 

 

 

Interesting topic, figured I'd play the anthropologist and study you all!

Edited December 10, 2010 by Viva

[112233]

Interesting topic, figured I'd play the anthropologist and study you all!

 

I found humor in a guy calling another posters relationship illegal when it turns out it was not, and then not addressing that fact. Mammals breed, that's just life. I love the quote "I wish 'kill' was a dirtier word than 'f*ck'", I don't remember the attribution at the moment.

[Lovelybird]

I found humor in a guy calling another posters relationship illegal when it turns out it was not, and then not addressing that fact. Mammals breed, that's just life. I love the quote "I wish 'kill' was a dirtier word than 'f*ck'", I don't remember the attribution at the moment.

What age range are you in, 112233?

[hoping4happyevrafter]

This is my very first time posting on LS- I've been browsing for quite a while but this age difference thread caught my attention as my.... huh i don't even know what acronym to call him- my boyfriend that used to be my MM but is now my not MM is 26 years older than me.

 

So that caught my attention, but I'm posting because i'm really disappointed in a lot of the other posts. I feel like since i began browsing here at LS the quality of communication has really plummeted. Where's the camraderie? the support? respect? Why on earth would anyone want to bicker with the OP???

 

The fact that she was with a 30yrold is not even the topic of her post- it was merely a supporting detail.

 

I hope when I browse in the future it won't be with disgust.

 

 

I hope i'm not coming off as holier than thou or anything- but i feel that the fact that we are all posting on this subject, the OM/OW category, that we should all feel a little kinship toward eachother. We won't necesarily agree on everything but we can definitely try to respond with understanding and respect rather than demeaning and condescension.

[BB07]

This is my very first time posting on LS- I've been browsing for quite a while but this age difference thread caught my attention as my.... huh i don't even know what acronym to call him- my boyfriend that used to be my MM but is now my not MM is 26 years older than me.

 

So that caught my attention, but I'm posting because i'm really disappointed in a lot of the other posts. I feel like since i began browsing here at LS the quality of communication has really plummeted. Where's the camraderie? the support? respect? Why on earth would anyone want to bicker with the OP???

 

The fact that she was with a 30yrold is not even the topic of her post- it was merely a supporting detail.

 

I hope when I browse in the future it won't be with disgust.

 

 

I hope i'm not coming off as holier than thou or anything- but i feel that the fact that we are all posting on this subject, the OM/OW category, that we should all feel a little kinship toward eachother. We won't necesarily agree on everything but we can definitely try to respond with understanding and respect rather than demeaning and condescension.

 

Ummmm if the forum causes you disgust, then I gotta wonder why you chose to join.

 

Also......it's not good forum etiquette to post your introduction on an older thread, so why not start with something other than criticism.

Anyway......welcome to LS.