ldybg51 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 I meant that they should not apply to our laws, which is why I later specified that I was talking about legislation, but you continued to pretend that I was calling you insane. I was pretending I knew the whole time that you did not literally believe me to be insane;) I just wanted you to admit that you said something that could be construed as such. It worked, I think. I still get lost with your jargon How does it feel to be smarter than people who are twice, three, four, ect....times your age? Good huh, Id be a cocky woman. Yes between a man and his wife. (I am not misconstruing what you say to mean in any way that you yourself believe that homosexuality is wrong) But is that not the general idea of the Man and Wife. That it should be Man and wife and not MAN and man or wife and wife. THIS is only opinions people and is not meant to subject anyone to negative ideas of thiers or anyone else's sexualty. Just trying to get at the bottom of what the Bible says about what God wants. Or does it. Why would God leave something like that OUT? That seems wrong. There has to be something telling us or implying to us what God would have us do? Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 amerikajin, I know you're trying to make a point about the futility at attempting to understand a powerful creator, but I'd just like to point out that the New Testament is not a revision of the Old Testament, it's merely a second part of the covenant, and any correction by Jesus was a correction of the way that the people were following the letter of the law rather than understanding the spirit of it. Link to post Share on other sites
ldybg51 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 My own belief is that there is a Creator, but I have a hard time believing that the Creator is a man, and I have an even harder time believing that the Creator is perfect. We find imperfections all over the place, all of which are the work of God. No doubt, God is infinitely more powerful and more complex than our little minds can fathom, and that's what I'm getting at here. My honest belief is, God is so much more powerful than us, we're having one hell of a time relating to him/her, and I don't think we're a helluvalot closer to doing so now than we were 2,000 years ago. Oh man, couldnt have said it better myself. We dont understand. thats the confusing part of it and where all the debate comes in. About God being perfect. I believe he is perfect himself. and here is where I contradict myself, but contradictions are what has us all in an upheaval. He knows everything. He also knew that we would not be perfect after Adam and Eve ate from that damned tree. stupid tree. stupid snake. otherwise we'd all be walking around in all our naked glory Anyway, I just think that he had to concede on so many things because he knew that we could never live up to such high standards. Does this make sense. Prob not. But he is perfect but we are not and we created sin. along with the devils help. its those two warring forces that cause all the racket. damn devil. (ohh not to offend, please) Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Originally posted by ldybg51 It worked, I think. I still get lost with your jargon How does it feel to be smarter than people who are twice, three, four, ect....times your age? I don't consider myself smarter than anyone. I put specific effort into attempting to understanding something that I base my entire life on. I personally consider blind faith as "taking the Lord's name in vain", which is why I put a gross amount of effort into understanding things that I believe in. It's not a matter of intelligence, just something that I care about. I never attempted to change your beliefs, I was only sharing what I've learned about Leviticus. Link to post Share on other sites
ldybg51 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 amerikajin, I know you're trying to make a point about the futility at attempting to understand a powerful creator, but I'd just like to point out that the New Testament is not a revision of the Old Testament, it's merely a second part of the covenant, and any correction by Jesus was a correction of the way that the people were following the letter of the law rather than understanding the spirit of it. This is what i was trying to say. I swear. I am just no good with words when Im excited. Just kinda comes out all child like and naive. Thank you for the clarification. You said it so it is much easier to understand. Do you mind if I steal that. I want to use that. Link to post Share on other sites
ldybg51 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 You may not consider youself smarter but I do Thats what I meant, that I think you are smarter. And yet I strangely do not mean intelligence either. I believe the two are separate. I think that intelligence refers to the capacity to be able to learn and 'smarter' refers to what has actually been learned. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Steal away. I forget where I read this, actually I remember, I'm just too embarrassed to say, but I make my words like a tree makes leaves, you can make of them what you will. (Please no one bust me on that, you all know where it's from) Link to post Share on other sites
ldybg51 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Its been enlightening and entertaining. Gnite all. Link to post Share on other sites
amerikajin Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 >>>amerikajin, I know you're trying to make a point about the futility at attempting to understand a powerful creator, but I'd just like to point out that the New Testament is not a revision of the Old Testament, it's merely a second part of the covenant, and any correction by Jesus was a correction of the way that the people were following the letter of the law rather than understanding the spirit of it.<<< Fair point, and I guess I hadn't really thought about it in that sense. So noted. Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 This is quite an old thread, and I've just discovered it. To the original poster.... wanna know something? You're a total coward. I'm a "secular humanist" (as sinner puts it). I've said some harsh things about christianity and faith in general, things that upset and offended many people. The difference is...I'm not gay...and had it been me, you wouldn't have come near me with your spit, because you'd have known you'd end up in a wheelchair. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Oh dear. Pap, it's highly unlikely that guy's still around. Why bring up an antique thread and bash someone who's not around and won't care? Link to post Share on other sites
Blackmanx Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 That's just not right. Spitting on a Gay guy. Just because he's a homosexual. That's not cool. peace. Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by moimeme Oh dear. Pap, it's highly unlikely that guy's still around. Why bring up an antique thread and bash someone who's not around and won't care? I read it in a US military handbook somewhere..... "Bash just for safety's sake" Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by Papillon This is quite an old thread, and I've just discovered it. To the original poster.... wanna know something? You're a total coward. I'm a "secular humanist" (as sinner puts it). I've said some harsh things about christianity and faith in general, things that upset and offended many people. The difference is...I'm not gay...and had it been me, you wouldn't have come near me with your spit, because you'd have known you'd end up in a wheelchair. You know something Pap, It's easy to talk large on the internet, it would be wise of you to realize that in any physical confrontation, both parties tend to get hurt. I would never spit in anyone's face, but, if the person deserved it, ( This homosexual didn't deserve it ), regardless if he could put me in a wheelchair or not, I would have delivered with that thought in mind and would be ready to take on the consequences. Simple put, I might wind up in a wheelchair, you'd be 6 foot under. This Christian obviously allowed himself to step out of grace and should ask for forgiveness, not only from God, but from this man as well. It's well known that Jesus Himself displayed outrage when He through those who were buying and selling in His Father's house, called them the foulest names known at that time even. He was well within His rights to do so, but He also prayed to His Father asking for THEIR forgiveness which this Christian should of done, instead of spitting in his face. Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Bahaha...moose, seems like I hit a little nerve there. It's amazing what people will try and sweet-talk to defend a member of their brotherhood or cult Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by Moose I would never spit in anyone's face, but, if the person deserved it, ( This homosexual didn't deserve it ), regardless if he could put me in a wheelchair or not, I would have delivered with that thought in mind and would be ready to take on the consequences. Simple put, I might wind up in a wheelchair, you'd be 6 foot under. [...] It's well known that Jesus Himself displayed outrage when He through those who were buying and selling in His Father's house, called them the foulest names known at that time even. 1. Jesus had a legitimate grievance against the moneychangers. 2. Jesus had a divine authority to enforce God's will. 3. Jesus never threatened to put anyone in a wheelchair or kill them. I'm not even sure where you got that he cursed them out. It would be nothing more than a perversion of Christianity to use Jhn 2:15 as an approval to go around picking fights. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 You know dyer, if more christians were like you, the world would be a better place. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Funny Dyer, you didn't seem to quote the rest of my post.....I said: He was well within His rights to do so, but He also prayed to His Father asking for THEIR forgiveness which this Christian should of done, instead of spitting in his face. And Pap also chose to ignore it. I wasn't using ANY scripture to pick a fight, I was using scripture to illustrate a point. No, Jesus never threatened to put someone in a wheelchair, but Pap made it clear that he would've. I made it clear that his threats aren't something that would stop me from a confrontation with him if it came down to it. For you to say that I, was using Jhn. 2:15 as approval to pick a fight is an outright false accusation. I used it to illustrate that Jesus was upset, yes, but he didn't threaten nor did he inflict bodily harm like Pap indicated he would. I also used it to show that this Christian shouldn't of spat or done anything less than pray for his forgiveness. As far as Jesus using foul names, I'm not going to waste my time looking up all the scripture that will back my comment up, I learned this from men with biblical doctorates who've lectured at my Church. Believe me when I say, I was shocked at this revelation. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by Moose As far as Jesus using foul names, I'm not going to waste my time looking up all the scripture that will back my comment up, I learned this from men with biblical doctorates who've lectured at my Church. Believe me when I say, I was shocked at this revelation. It's not a revelation at all. I think you either misheard them, or they're mistaken. The scripture is found in John, chapter two, verse fifteen. You're welcome to prove me wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by Moose Funny Dyer, you didn't seem to quote the rest of my post.....I said: And Pap also chose to ignore it. . No, Jesus never threatened to put someone in a wheelchair, but Pap made it clear that he would've. I made it clear that his threats aren't something that would stop me from a confrontation with him if it came down to it. For you to say that I, was using Jhn. 2:15 as approval to pick a fight is an outright false accusation. I used it to illustrate that Jesus was upset, yes, but he didn't threaten nor did he inflict bodily harm like Pap indicated he would. I also used it to show that this Christian shouldn't of spat or done anything less than pray for his forgiveness. As far as Jesus using foul names, I'm not going to waste my time looking up all the scripture that will back my comment up, I learned this from men with biblical doctorates who've lectured at my Church. Believe me when I say, I was shocked at this revelation. You need to learn to read, Moose. Please quote me, verbatim, where I threatened bodily harm to anyone. I merely said that the guy would not have picked me as a target, because I look and am capable of putting him in a wheelchair. I wasn't using ANY scripture to pick a fight, I was using scripture to illustrate a point What's the difference? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Pap, You know what I meant. I'm not going to sit here and explain to you word for word, but for you to say that this person wouldn't have spat in your face just because you look capable to inflict bodily harm, I'm saying, what makes you think he couldn't harm you before you do? Either way, you're both gonna get hurt. The difference is...I'm not gay...and had it been me, you wouldn't have come near me with your spit, because you'd have known you'd end up in a wheelchair. Would have known that he'd be in a wheelchair? I don't think so. You people who think you're so tough don't realize that even us smaller guys are capable of harming you, severely. It only take a mere 3 lbs. of pressure to RIP a man's ear off. You're nothing to be feared. Dyer, I know that scripture well, it isn't the only place in the bible where it's mentioned. Do some research. Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Mwahaha, this keeps getting better and better. Now I'm a big guy too, in addition to threatening "small people" to "Hey, don't you spit on me, or I'll put you in a wheelchair....uh...well, just in case you were thinkun it. Just don't think it, ok? Wheelchair!" Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 OH, I forgot...... I wasn't using ANY scripture to pick a fight, I was using scripture to illustrate a point What's the difference? Uhhhh, I'm not picking a fight? DUH!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Papillon Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Yes, evidently you DO forget quite easily. if the person deserved it, ( This homosexual didn't deserve it ), regardless if he could put me in a wheelchair or not, I would have delivered with that thought in mind and would be ready to take on the consequences Shall I analyse this little tidbit, or shall I let it speak for itself? Link to post Share on other sites
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