Doesn't it make you furious when women get pregnant with OM's child?

[sally4sara]

None of which changes the hard cold facts of what that child's life will be like as a result of his/her mother's choices.

 

Rose-tinted glasses much?

 

JAG

 

You mean as a result of the choices made by the mother and the guy she slept with - right?

 

Or are you suggesting these women drugged and/or raped the men they get pregnant by?

[desertIslandCactus]

None of which changes the hard cold facts of what that child's life will be like as a result of his/her mother's choices.

 

Rose-tinted glasses much?

 

JAG

 

Or to see that an innocent precious child - is just that.

 

Any adversity towards the child is of ignorance and darkness.

[112233]

You mean as a result of the choices made by the mother and the guy she slept with - right?

 

Or are you suggesting these women drugged and/or raped the men they get pregnant by?

 

With power comes responsibility. The woman has the power to decide whether to have the child or not.

[desertIslandCactus]

With power comes responsibility. The woman has the power to decide whether to have the child or not.

 

Yes Responsibility is allowing the conceived child Life.

[sally4sara]

With power comes responsibility. The woman has the power to decide whether to have the child or not.

 

So does a man - we already covered this. Men can protect their reproductive rights, they just don't often feel as motivated to do so. All they seem to care about is if their junk works.

Women are the medical guinea pigs of the world while men avoid it at all costs despite how they might benefit from it later. For a man to make a move on his own reproductive rights, he has to feel personally invested. Why most only seem personally invested when their junk isn't working (or it might dip in their wallet via child support) is beyond me.

 

Any man who thinks women hold all the cards when it comes to when or if they have a baby is just a man too lazy to protect his own reproductive rights.

[TheMENemy]

So does a man - we already covered this. Men can protect their reproductive rights, they just don't often feel as motivated to do so. All they seem to care about is if their junk works.

Women are the medical guinea pigs of the world while men avoid it at all costs despite how they might benefit from it later. For a man to make a move on his own reproductive rights, he has to feel personally invested. Why most only seem personally invested when their junk isn't working (or it might dip in their wallet via child support) is beyond me.

 

Any man who thinks women hold all the cards when it comes to when or if they have a baby is just a man too lazy to protect his own reproductive rights.

 

 

Please let us know when the political rally is over and regular programming has re-commenced. In the meantime, I think I'll go make a sandwich.

[michelangelo]

Regardless as to whether or not any baby is a precious life. Presume that--of course.

 

However, a husband having to rear another man's baby as his own, without benefit of knowing that the child is not his?

 

Do you not see the evil of that?

 

Most people think that evil is a premeditated, deliberate act of willful decisionmaking to be evil.

 

What it really is, is a person doesn't something awful, then doesn't want to be judged for it. And since this awful thing usually involved deception in the first place, they go all in with the lying.

 

The pregnant cheater then figures the "bet" that nobody will ever know allows them to continue the selfishness that got them in this pickle in the first place. The wife who then has the child and fakes it like it is her husband's?

 

They sacrifice their integrity, their marriage, their husband's ability to have his own children with his own physical heritage. And make him expend his time, resources, and affections on something that is not as he thought to be.

 

The sacrifice their child's wellbeing for life. Once it is discovered? Huge emotional and psychological fallout for the child, her husband, even herself.

 

That is what evil looks like.

[112233]

So does a man - we already covered this.

 

No, we did not. Men have very limited options, which essentially boil down to self-sterilization or agreeing to use methods that are out of his control or prone to fail. Only women have the ability to decide whether a child is born or aborted.

 

Why, in the name of equal rights, can't a man decide whether he wants to be a father within the same time constraints?

[sally4sara]

No, we did not. Men have very limited options, which essentially boil down to self-sterilization or agreeing to use methods that are out of his control or prone to fail. Only women have the ability to decide whether a child is born or aborted.

 

Why, in the name of equal rights, can't a man decide whether he wants to be a father within the same time constraints?

 

Yes we did. Just because you don't like the method of how they can take control of their own reproductive rights, it doesn't mean they can't or don't have options.

 

No one wants to get an abortion either, but its still an available option just like a vasectomy. You can't envy the ability to get an abortion (much more painful, risky, and invasive) while poo pooing the options available to men. Unless you are also envious of their ability to carry a child and wish you could experience this as an option for yourself.

 

Till everyone gets real comfortable with turning unwanted kids into dog food, no one gets to opt out of being responsible for kids they don't want but had a hand in creating. As mentioned before, part of my money gets taken to feed, clothe, and house kids I didn't help create. If men were able to opt out regardless of the child being born or not - there will just be more kids in need of government assistance. You ready to make them into dog food yet? Because you've already complained about the concept of being responsible for kids that are not created by you.

 

The only other option is forced abortion. Yeah. That sound much more reasonable than having to schlep yourself into a doctors office and taking control of your own reproductive rights.

[donnamaybe]

So does a man - we already covered this. Men can protect their reproductive rights, they just don't often feel as motivated to do so. All they seem to care about is if their junk works.

Women are the medical guinea pigs of the world while men avoid it at all costs despite how they might benefit from it later. For a man to make a move on his own reproductive rights, he has to feel personally invested. Why most only seem personally invested when their junk isn't working (or it might dip in their wallet via child support) is beyond me.

 

Any man who thinks women hold all the cards when it comes to when or if they have a baby is just a man too lazy to protect his own reproductive rights.

Um, yeah. Don't have sex with a woman you don't want a have a child with. Pretty simple concept - at least for most of us.

[112233]

Yes we did. Just because you don't like the method of how they can take control of their own reproductive rights, it doesn't mean they can't or don't have options.

 

You're conflating several different things.

 

The ability to reliably not conceive without sterilization; solely the providence of women, and a variety of tools are available.

 

The ability to decide whether to be responsible for a specific child, after the fact; again only for women.

 

The ability to deceive a man into supporting a child that is not his; obviously only a woman can realistically do this.

 

 

Your argument that any sort of equality exists is disingenuous at best.

 

 

If I said white people shouldn't be allowed to drive motor vehicles, but that we could make it even by allowing them use of bicycles, I doubt anyone would think that it was "the same".

[112233]

Um, yeah. Don't have sex with a woman you don't want a have a child with. Pretty simple concept - at least for most of us.

 

So you are saying that this is the option that all should have? Or that it's enough for men, but not enough for women?

[michelangelo]

Um, yeah. Don't have sex with a woman you don't want a have a child with. Pretty simple concept - at least for most of us.

 

This thread is about men who have wives who get pregnant by a different man. Yet are unknowingly rearing that man's child as their own.

 

And even if they later discover or are told the child is not theirs, they are on the hook for the cost of it because they are married to the cheater who got pregnant.

 

It really is not about baby daddies taking responsibility for their children. Lke that is going to happen!

[sally4sara]

The ability to reliably not conceive without sterilization; solely the providence of women, and a variety of tools are available.

 

The only one of those unreliable options that don't also apply to women is abortion. How are you going to complain about them having the option of abortion and men not having that option when nothing can be done about who carries babies and gives birth. PS - abortion is not a fun, easy, carefree or cheap option. It also carries a lot of emotional fallout - way more than a vasectomy does because it terminates a potential life.

 

The ability to decide whether to be responsible for a specific child, after the fact; again only for women.

 

Can you please, because the 5 of us kids can't seem to accomplish it, track down my bio father and ask him how he managed to never pay one thin dime or day of time in the way of support for any of us 5 kids (that we know of) he helped create? If this ability was entirely a female option - how did he manage to do it?

 

The ability to deceive a man into supporting a child that is not his; obviously only a woman can realistically do this.

 

DNA testing is already available to any man seeking it.

[112233]

The only one of those unreliable options that don't also apply to women is abortion.

 

Abstinence, as promoted by one of your local geniuses, is available to all. After that it's pretty slanted. Men and women have access to condoms, a modern version of a what, 15th century method? Women alone have pills, shots, gizmos, more pills (morning after), embedded time release thingers, ... the list goes on and on. Both can select sterilization, of course, but that's pretty drastic. I suspect not too many childless women are getting in line for that one either.

 

That's not even considering the fact a woman can actually opt out AFTER conception.

 

 

A woman who is carrying the OM child can try to trick her mate, failing that she can trap the OM, and failing that she STILL has options.

 

 

It would be like saying women don't need to vote, you can just find a man who agrees with you and consider his vote yours.

[112233]

Can you please, because the 5 of us kids can't seem to accomplish it, track down my bio father and ask him how he managed to never pay one thin dime or day of time in the way of support for any of us 5 kids (that we know of) he helped create? If this ability was entirely a female option - how did he manage to do it?

 

Ah my "fault", I assumed something there, let me fix it:

 

 

The ability to decide whether to be legally responsible for a specific child, after the fact; again only for women.

[desertIslandCactus]

This thread is about men who have wives who get pregnant by a different man. Yet are unknowingly rearing that man's child as their own.

 

And even if they later discover or are told the child is not theirs, they are on the hook for the cost of it because they are married to the cheater who got pregnant.

 

It really is not about baby daddies taking responsibility for their children. Lke that is going to happen!

 

Since the world outside of my world appears to be sex outside of marriage, and with no one even knowing if their wife is having the H's child.. Probably the solution would be Woggle's suggestion of requesting DNA after the child is born.

 

But not to lay the burden on the govt (the people). Pay for the test yourself.

[sally4sara]

Women alone have pills, shots, gizmos, more pills (morning after), embedded time release thingers, ... the list goes on and on.

 

And all of them have a failure rate so all of them are a measured risk. Just like every time a man has sex with a woman who's mindset and integrity are still an unknown factor to him. She may or may not want to abort should a child come of their involvement - but so many men don't bother finding this out before taking that risk. Get that pussy! Get in there NOW! Who knows when the next chance will come around! Will she saddle me with a kid I don't want should all our collective options fail? WHO KNOWS and that's not important right now! Get in there before she changes her mind!!!!!!

 

 

Seems to me some of you just don't like being responsible and not just when it comes to an unplanned pregnancy - but the whole decision making process of who you put your junk in. Junk working? CHECK! Willing female? CHECK? Some method of contraception involved (sometimes nothing more than a "you're on the pill right?") CHECK! And we are good to go mates - now get IN THERE!

 

Oh yeah, you fellas are such helpless victims.

[112233]

This thread is about men who have wives who get pregnant by a different man. Yet are unknowingly rearing that man's child as their own.

 

And even if they later discover or are told the child is not theirs, they are on the hook for the cost of it because they are married to the cheater who got pregnant.

 

It really is not about baby daddies taking responsibility for their children. Lke that is going to happen!

 

Most women don't care so much about which man pays the tab, the key is that SOME man has to. Love it or hate it, all the arguments ultimately boil down to this. Try suggesting that the bio father should have an equal shot at being the sole guardian or should have equality in terms of opting out of the parenting biz, and watch 'em circle the wagons.

[michelangelo]

Since the world outside of my world appears to be sex outside of marriage, and with no one even knowing if their wife is having the H's child.. Probably the solution would be Woggle's suggestion of requesting DNA after the child is born.

 

But not to lay the burden on the govt (the people). Pay for the test yourself.

 

I'll grant you that doing so would be a start. However, unless a man has some reason to suspect his pregnant wife has been cheating, it is very unlikely he can imagine someone else has impregnated his wife. So to ask for dna sampling in that mindset would introduce doubt and if she hasn't been cheating? Look out!

 

It is a terrible thing to deal with.

[michelangelo]

And all of them have a failure rate so all of them are a measured risk. Just like every time a man has sex with a woman who's mindset and integrity are still an unknown factor to him. She may or may not want to abort should a child come of their involvement - but so many men don't bother finding this out before taking that risk. Get that pussy! Get in there NOW! Who knows when the next chance will come around! Will she saddle me with a kid I don't want should all our collective options fail? WHO KNOWS and that's not important right now! Get in there before she changes her mind!!!!!!

 

 

Seems to me some of you just don't like being responsible and not just when it comes to an unplanned pregnancy - but the whole decision making process of who you put your junk in. Junk working? CHECK! Willing female? CHECK? Some method of contraception involved (sometimes nothing more than a "you're on the pill right?") CHECK! And we are good to go mates - now get IN THERE!

 

Oh yeah, you fellas are such helpless victims.

 

You are not describing the typical married man's experience or mindset.

[desertIslandCactus]

I'll grant you that doing so would be a start. However, unless a man has some reason to suspect his pregnant wife has been cheating, it is very unlikely he can imagine someone else has impregnated his wife. So to ask for dna sampling in that mindset would introduce doubt and if she hasn't been cheating? Look out!

 

It is a terrible thing to deal with.

 

No DNA test ... No whining.

[112233]

It is a terrible thing to deal with.

 

Women who say "well you can ask for a DNA test" would also probably be very offended if, when they became pregnant, were requested to get the baby DNA tested by their husband.

 

To add to the lopsidedness, if a man has no suspicions and signs the fiscal death sentence birth certificate, his options are severely curtailed when, 2 years later, he realizes that the child doesn't really resemble any of his family. Even if he gets DNA tests then and proves he's not the father, it's usually impossible to back out at that point.

 

Nice.

 

Again, some man has to pay and any man will do in a pinch.

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

No DNA test ... No whining.

 

 

See above.

[Dexter Morgan]

Sorry Wogs! I just realized you asked if I think you're a misandrist. I read it as you asking if I thought you were a misogynist -which you are; lets not pretend otherwise.

 

You don't HAVE to be though.

 

there is a difference between being cynical and untrusting of women because of past experience, and downright hatred.

 

Woggle is the former, not the latter. He is not a misogynist.

[desertIslandCactus]

Women who say "well you can ask for a DNA test" would also probably be very offended if, when they became pregnant, were requested to get the baby DNA tested by their husband.

 

To add to the lopsidedness, if a man has no suspicions and signs the fiscal death sentence birth certificate, his options are severely curtailed when, 2 years later, he realizes that the child doesn't really resemble any of his family. Even if he gets DNA tests then and proves he's not the father, it's usually impossible to back out at that point.

 

Nice.

 

Again, some man has to pay and any man will do in a pinch. Quote.

 

..................................

 

Have your own DNA test done after the baby is born and before you can be considered liable for child support. Then you can make the call as to if you throw wife and child out - or not.