End of my rope Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Originally posted by Emeraude Why are men so against porn being regulated? I don't think porn should be on there at all, but that is just my opinion. It is easier for a man to look up that crap in the privacy of his own home, than to have to go to an adult store and pick out the movie or magazine of their choice and not worry about looking like a pervert. I think that is the core of it all. It is not so much a privacy thing, but being exposed as a horny old (or young) pervert is what men DO NOT want. They want a squeaky clean image, but then be able to be "dirty" in private, Amen! One of my exact points! Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Um. Since men do this anyway, and they know other men do it, it is highly unlikely that anybody is going to consider them 'perverts' in the stores. Go look at the subscription figures for the men's magazines someday. Link to post Share on other sites
InmannRoshi Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Men can order porn in the privacy of their own home using pay per view on their satellite and cable, even without the internet. If any man wants to see anything that our government considers "pornography" then maybe they should have a scarlet "P" brandished to their head before they're allowed a magazine. Or maybe we can all start taking accountability for the fact that we chose a not so stable guy. No wait ... the government thought police agency with the scarlet "P" sounds much more reasonable. Can we please set up a government agency to set up regulations against bad romantic comedies staring hunkey male actors as the romantic leads who say and do all the right things around women ?? They set up unrealistic expectations for men. I think my girlfiend actually thinks she's Renee Zellweger and dating Tom Cruise when she watches Jerry McGuire on DVD. I think she even gets turned on during the love scene. Help me government. Ban Tom Cruise, because my own insecurities make me believe that I don't measure up to him. Or what about cheap romance novels ?? I know lots of girls who read those. All the men portrayed in them are unrealistic, studly, prince charming, millionaire jet-setters that 99.9999% of the male population could never measure up to. Government .... stop these Harlequin Romance novels from futher objectifying men !!! Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Or maybe we can all start taking accountability for the fact that we chose a not so stable guy. Oh don't be silly. Why look at our flaws when we can blame everything and everyone else? Link to post Share on other sites
WWDDFD Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by Bubbles I swear if pornography was not available on-line........half of all men out there would not have the slightest idea on how to operate a computer! Just my opinion. I am so sick of hearing about these men that are completely infactuated with pornography and actually sitting at home....at home!!!!! and viewing all this crap around their so-called loved ones. Let me ask you this.....would a guy actually invite a stripper to his home to perform for him while his wife (or children) were in the other room? NO WAY! So, I just do not understand what men are thinking that they can actually get away with? The stripper in your home and pornography on-line in your home is the same exact thing! You sound very bitter. If you don't like men who watch pornography... then don't associate with men who watch pornography. It's a really simple concept. Believe it or not, there are guys who don't like pornography out there. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Let me pose a question. If a Pedofile moved into your neighborhood, do you think that you have the right to know? That is the best example that I can think of. Hell no, it's a terrible example. If a pedophile moved into my neighboorhood, of course I don't have the right to know. Yucky people have civil rights too, and their sexual perversions are none of my business. The government has no place in regulating personal choices. Link to post Share on other sites
corythosaurus Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by dyermaker Hell no, it's a terrible example. If a pedophile moved into my neighboorhood, of course I don't have the right to know. Yucky people have civil rights too, and their sexual perversions are none of my business. The government has no place in regulating personal choices. Wrong. When one's "personal choice" affects others, it's the governments job to step in and regulate behavior. That is why we have laws; to regulate behavior. We can't speed, we can't kill, we can't rape, we can't fondle little children, we can't run around in public naked, we can't relieve ourselves on the side of the Enron building, we can't spray paint messages on the side of public transportation buses, we can't beat our spouses, etc. etc. etc. It is our job, as a society, to determine what those regulations are and what happens to you when you don't follow the regulations. Personal choice is fine, when it remains personal. Link to post Share on other sites
End of my rope Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 originally posted by Dryermaker in a different thread: Explain to him that while you understand that porn is not a threat to you personally, and that many men are capable of using porn in a healthy way, it is NOT okay for him to be dependent, addicted, or otherwise unhealthily attached to pornography. Tell him that the number one manifestation of an addiction is that it harms personal relationships. Porn is a symptom, and it can be looked past and worked through. The lack of communication is a catalyst, and cannot. Don't let yourself fall into the latter. I think Dryermaker, in all his wisdom, makes and eloquent point. And by the way? When did this thread turn from a discussion about porn to a discussion about child molester, free will, and why we have laws? Link to post Share on other sites
jenny Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 i think pedophilia was introduced as a a red herring, to avoid talking about the fact that normal porn (used normally, as you have noted) is legal, ethical, and moral. even 'hard core' porn, which is normally defined as the kind of porn that shows full erections and insertions, is fine. adding the element of pedophilia, or 'won't please someone think of the children' {simpsons], is a debate tactic to induce hysteria and distract from the issues at hand. i really like getting to the 'it' of porn - it's personal choice. you can choose to reject all men who look at porn, or not. i think your take on it, as dyer's before, is great. Link to post Share on other sites
Errol Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by Emeraude Why are men so against porn being regulated? I don't think porn should be on there at all, but that is just my opinion. It is easier for a man to look up that crap in the privacy of his own home, than to have to go to an adult store and pick out the movie or magazine of their choice and not worry about looking like a pervert. I think that is the core of it all. It is not so much a privacy thing, but being exposed as a horny old (or young) pervert is what men DO NOT want. They want a squeaky clean image, but then be able to be "dirty" in private, Originally posted by End of my rope Amen! One of my exact points! You did not make a point here at all. I love the squeaky clean image line! LOLOL! What about the porn that is directed at women? There are blow-up male dolls and Playgirl magazines and lots of websites for women too! I just love how you speak for all men and how you know exactly how men think. (I guess that is why I keep coming back here -- I'm enjoying and fascinated at your views.) [color=blue][font=courier new]"...not worry about looking like a pervert." [/font][/color] Let me ask you, just what do you think a pervert looks like? Give me your definition of perversion? Dyer - I think you will understand more when you have children. The government should not regulate our personal choices, but a pedophile is someone who commits a crime against a child and I want to know if there are criminals in my neighborhood. They gave up their right to privacy when they committed a crime. I wish I could find the link to the website but last Halloween I looked up the pedophiles in my area (3) and when the kids were trick-or-treating I walked past those houses to make sure they did not have decorations out or lights on to give out candy. If no one knew that those criminals were there they could easily continue with their crimes. THAT is what I think public accountability is about. Link to post Share on other sites
jenny Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Emeraude, picking up on befuddled's, dyer's, errol's, moi's, end of rope's, and inmann's point: if you do not like porn, simply do not date or be with men who do. this is your personal choice. there is no need to extend it to all men. if you are willing to offer a rigourous critique of porn itself, rather than simple angry comments about men who look at it, then let's go for it. what's wrong with it, really? i mean, for all men, not just yours? but as the argument stands - just don't be near men who like porn. it's that easy. Link to post Share on other sites
End of my rope Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 originally posted by Errol You did not make a point here at all. I love the squeaky clean image line! LOLOL! What about the porn that is directed at women? There are blow-up male dolls and Playgirl magazines and lots of web sites for women too! There are men (and women) out there who don't care what others think and would just as boldly walk into an Adult book store as they would access the porn online. However there are men out there who will view porn online when they would't dream of even going to an Adult Bookstore or ordering a magazine subscription. Those men want to preserve their image. They don't want their minister, or their son's principal, or their wife's best friend seeing them go into "that kind of store". And in my opinion, there is a certain bit of perversion about someone who will sit in the half dark in front of a computer screen viewing porn but won't go and buy a Playboy. Why are they hiding that they like to view porn? Most women, not all, would't care a bit if porn never existed. Women aren't the ones getting defensive over the idea of the abolishment of porn. As far as the web sites for women...have you ever tried to find a porn site for a woman? When you use a search engine most of every thing you find is directed toward gay men, not straight women... We all know that porn has existed in some form for a long time, and we all know that it will continue to exist for an untold amount of time. It will never be abolished. Sex sells. It isn't porn that is the problem, it's the behavior of the men who view it...and for some, it's an uncontrolable behavior... Link to post Share on other sites
jenny Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Women aren't the ones getting defensive over the idea of the abolishment of porn. speaking for myself, as a woman, i find the first amendment really *hot.* Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 When one's "personal choice" affects others, it's the governments job to step in and regulate behavior. That is why we have laws; to regulate behavior. Now that is clearly untrue. Otherwise, cigarettes would have been banned, as would alcohol, and many, many other things. Bad logic. Try again. However there are men out there who will view porn online when they would't dream of even going to an Adult Bookstore or ordering a magazine subscription So what? What business of yours is it to dictate what all men should or should not do? As everyone else has said, don't make this an issue for the Government, God, and all of society to deal with because YOU have a problem with it. Once again, and with emphasis IF YOU DO NOT LIKE MEN WHO LIKE PORN, THEN DO NOT GO OUT WITH MEN WHO LIKE PORN. That is the solution to your problem. All else is ridiculous. I think country music is stupid but I'm not asking the government of Canada to ban it because it bothers ME. What on earth gives YOU the right to make decisions for others????? Link to post Share on other sites
End of my rope Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 [color=black]Please note: The suggestions and advice offered on this web site are opinions only [/color] What business of yours is it to dictate what all men should or should not do? It's not my business what men should or should not do. It is my opinion that some men have a real problem with porn addiction. Please do not put words in my mouth. Can someone please show me where in this thread I said that I thought porn should be regulated by the goverment? As a matter of fact, I've said numerous times that I don't think it should be. I have nothing against porn, I have nothing agains men who look at porn. I do, however, have a problem with men who have problem with living normal lives because of their addiction to porn. Men who don't forget about their priorities in life to their s/o, work, and children because they are addicted to porn. Men who continue to hurt their s/o by looking at porn when they know it hurts them. That is what I have a problem with... Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 I was too lazy to read through the whole thread to quote the people who did suggest that government should control porn. If you didn't say it, then my comment was not directed at you. Link to post Share on other sites
jenny Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 end of my rope - you do appear to be advocating some strange program in which men have to leave their homes to get porn, which, logically, would follow from the internet banning of porn? otherwise, why make that point? if you are ok with (the normal use of) porn, why would you care how it is accessed? Link to post Share on other sites
End of my rope Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 if you are ok with (the normal use of) porn, why would you care how it is accessed? I don't personally care how it's accessed. You've missed my point. My point is that due to the widespread usage of the internet in recent years, there seems to be an increasing problem with some men having an addiction to porn, which they mainly access online. Some of those men may never have had this type of problem if not for the internet BECAUSE they don't have the cojones to go to an Adult Bookstore and buy it, or order a magazine subscription. Link to post Share on other sites
jenny Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 o, ok, i think i see what you mean now. Link to post Share on other sites
corythosaurus Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by End of my rope I don't personally care how it's accessed. You've missed my point. My point is that due to the widespread usage of the internet in recent years, there seems to be an increasing problem with some men having an addiction to porn, which they mainly access online. Some of those men may never have had this type of problem if not for the internet BECAUSE they don't have the cojones to go to an Adult Bookstore and buy it, or order a magazine subscription. Don't underestimate the resolve of an addictive personality. The problem, it seems, is with addiction and not the vice itself. Link to post Share on other sites
End of my rope Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 originally posted by dryermaker the number one manifestation of an addiction is that it harms personal relationships. Porn is a symptom, and it can be looked past and worked through. The lack of communication is a catalyst, and cannot. Don't let yourself fall into the latter. I still beleive Dryermaker said it best... Link to post Share on other sites
P1xie Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by Confused123 The thought of my man sitting in his office, looking at porn, drives me crazy. LOL imagine this...I work am the IT Administrator for my company. How would you like to have to clean it up. I finally went to my boss and told him he does not pay me enough to put up with this. Link to post Share on other sites
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