Why does society think all domestic violence is man on women violence?

[betamanlet]

It doesn't. It is just that any other permutations of domestic violence are not statistically important, and therefore they're trying to get the most bang for the buck........talk about spoon feeding some one common sense. This debate is ridiculous.

So why does the oath that they push only call for men to swear off violence against women?

[sally4sara]

In the UK you could not even suggest that she had attacked Tiger. They covered the story on the BBC, and if you made comments even saying she allegedly or might have attacked Tiger, they would not allow you to state it citing they could be liable for defamation because they have very liberal defamation laws there.

 

I don't recall ANY news media mentioning the possibility she attacked him in the US, the only thing I saw was a south park episode basically depicting exactly what happened.

 

I mean, who uses a golf clup to help someone get out of a car by smashing the rear window where he isn't even at?

 

So lying to the police is okay now?

 

Sorry Beta, I saw people suggesting violence all over the place so as far as here in the states, I don't know what you're talking about. I know many of my friends commented on it. As soon as I heard the bit about the golf club, I certainly suspected violence.

 

And lying to the cops? Really Beta?? Who doesn't? They're the effing cops! He lied, she lied. The cops get lied to all the damn time whether there was domestic violence or not. Three groups of people who will always get lied to - cops, parents, and employers. That's just life so what does it have to do with your opinion of gender favoritism in domestic violence situations?

[betamanlet]

Sorry Beta, I saw people suggesting violence all over the place so as far as here in the states, I don't know what you're talking about. I know many of my friends commented on it. As soon as I heard the bit about the golf club, I certainly suspected violence.

 

And lying to the cops? Really Beta?? Who doesn't? They're the effing cops! He lied, she lied. The cops get lied to all the damn time whether there was domestic violence or not. Three groups of people who will always get lied to - cops, parents, and employers. That's just life so what does it have to do with your opinion of gender favoritism in domestic violence situations?

It's a crime to lie to law enforcement. Virtually every conviction the FBI gets is because of people lying to the FBI.

 

Shouldn't be any different for the local police.

[flying]

So why does the oath that they push only call for men to swear off violence against women?

 

Did you actually read the history of the campaign that you posted about?

 

http://www.whiteribbonday.org.au/About-White-Ribbon-88.aspx

 

From the linked above:

 

"White Ribbon Day was created by a handful of Canadian men in 1991 on the second anniversary of one man's massacre of fourteen women in Montreal."

 

That is why this White Ribbon Day is about violence against women, and why the oath is stated as it is.

 

How do you make the logical leap from that to assuming that because this campaign focuses on violence against women, people never think there's domestic violence against men?

 

Feel free to start a campaign of your own.

[sally4sara]

It's a crime to lie to law enforcement. Virtually every conviction the FBI gets is because of people lying to the FBI.

 

Shouldn't be any different for the local police.

 

I'll ask again.

What does this have to do with your opinion on gender favoritism in domestic violence situations?

[betamanlet]

Did you actually read the history of the campaign that you posted about?

 

http://www.whiteribbonday.org.au/About-White-Ribbon-88.aspx

 

From the linked above:

 

"White Ribbon Day was created by a handful of Canadian men in 1991 on the second anniversary of one man's massacre of fourteen women in Montreal."

 

That is why this White Ribbon Day is about violence against women, and why the oath is stated as it is.

 

How do you make the logical leap from that to assuming that because this campaign focuses on violence against women, people never think there's domestic violence against men?

 

Feel free to start a campaign of your own.

So shooting rampages are domestic violence now?

 

Marc Lepin was not in a domestic relationship with any of those women. It has nothing to do with the current campaign they are doing, which is limited to man on woman domestic violence.

[sally4sara]

So shooting rampages are domestic violence now?

 

Marc Lepin was not in a domestic relationship with any of those women. It has nothing to do with the current campaign they are doing, which is limited to man on woman domestic violence.

 

Okay, here is something to think about Beta.

 

If I say rapist.

 

Which gender do you immediately think of?

[flying]

So shooting rampages are domestic violence now?

 

Marc Lepin was not in a domestic relationship with any of those women. It has nothing to do with the current campaign they are doing, which is limited to man on woman domestic violence.

 

You are not paying attention. It has everything to do with the current campaign, because it is the event that sparked that campaign. He shot the women in what he said was a statement against feminism. The White Ribbon campaign is about violence against women - and yes, that includes but is not limited to domestic violence.

 

Dude. You are the one that complained about the oath related to this campaign. You posted the link to this campaign to complain that it didn't include men. It is being explained to you that this particular campaign was always about violence against women, in any form. Now you're trying to shift the focus to claim that there's some nefarious purpose there. Well, that doesn't hold up under inspection, and it seems that you're just making stuff up to create new drama. Here's a suggestion: Cut it out.

[TaraMaiden]

In the UK you could not even suggest that she had attacked Tiger. They covered the story on the BBC, and if you made comments even saying she allegedly or might have attacked Tiger, they would not allow you to state it citing they could be liable for defamation because they have very liberal defamation laws there.

Incorrect.

Many channels here covered this story, not just the BBC...

 

They are at every liberty to report an alleged attack, and state that there was an altercation between them.

Which is precisely what there was, and as it happened.

British news is, as far as I have seen, far more down-to-earth, factual and less sensationalised than US news reporting....

 

Another shot in the dark completely missing its mark....

[Truthseeker-John]

http://www.whiteribbonday.org.au/

 

http://myoath.com.au/

 

Yet things like this happens:

 

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/woman-allegedly-set-man-alight-after-he-touched-her-breasts-court-told-20101201-18fzu.html

 

And it doesn't include the reality that there is plenty of violence in lesbian relationships, in gay relationships, yet you have campaigns like this that make it seem like domestic violence is ONLY committed by men, and only commited against women when it's abosolutely not true..

I live in the UK and over here there are homes for women who suffer violence from men but there are no such places for men. When at work I met a man and he was crying because his wife was using violence against him and there is nowhere for him to go.

Why not pursue a no domestic violence by anyone upon anyone, instead of this trying to demonize men thing?

I totally agree!

[Distant78]

far more down-to-earth, factual and less sensationalised than US news reporting....

 

Ohhh Tara you always make me laugh. I agree that my own country does "sensationalize" the reports they report!LOL!!!!!

[Els]

I've never suggested anything of the sort, I just wondered why this campaign in Australia presumes only men are abusers and only women can be victims of abuse?

 

I hate women for pointing that out?

 

Nice way to try to silence people.

 

Well, no women here seem to believe that ONLY men are abusers. What point are you trying to prove to us>

[betamanlet]

Well, no women here seem to believe that ONLY men are abusers. What point are you trying to prove to us>

So why does the Campaign single out men?

 

Ask anyone in law enforcement who is called to heavily lesbian areas like capital Hill in Seattle about whether there is a little or a lot of domestic violence in lesbian relationships..

 

yet these campaigns, just single out men as perps, and women as victims.

 

When it's possible men can be victims of women, women can be victims of women, and men can be victims of men..

[harmfulsweetz]

So why does the Campaign single out men?

 

Ask anyone in law enforcement who is called to heavily lesbian areas like capital Hill in Seattle about whether there is a little or a lot of domestic violence in lesbian relationships..

 

yet these campaigns, just single out men as perps, and women as victims.

 

When it's possible men can be victims of women, women can be victims of women, and men can be victims of men..

 

Seriously? I thought flying cleared that one up nicely. It was to do with the massacre of 14 WOMEN in Montreal, was it not? It's not limited at domestic violence, but any violence-rape, assault, gbh, murder-to any woman not just your partner.

 

Men and women both suffer at the hands of and commit domestic abuse. No one is arguing that. But you can't take a campaign, and only look at one angle of it and make your mind up that it's no good because it excludes a gender. Look at the reasons for that campaign, then you may think differently.

 

Nearly every person in the world, irrespective of gender, would like to see domestic abuse be put to a stop from both sides. However, that's not the purpose of the campaign. It's highly unlikely to find a woman attacking men at random, murdering them, raping them, etc. It's not impossible, just unlikely.

 

Look at the statistics for violence against women and vice versa. I wonder which one has a higher rate?

 

http://www.whiteribboncampaign.co.uk/Resources/violence_against_women

 

Yes, there was a high number of domestic related violence, but take a look, it also mentions that 80,000 women will suffer rape or attempted rape every year. That's scary. Apparently, women are more likely to suffer violence and rape than cancer, a car/motorist accident, war and malaria.

 

Women are more vulnerable typically to violence, simply due to size. Can you imagine a woman who is smaller, in height and build, (the ones that are taller and larger are rare) attacking a man down a street? Really?

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1661

 

Apparently, according to that, women were more than twice as worried about violent crime than men. 21% women, and 8% men. And dum,dum,dum...incidents of domestic abuse was five times greater for women than for men...women with 85% and men with 15%. Telling, don't you think?

Edited December 3, 2010 by harmfulsweetz

[Taramere]

So why does the Campaign single out men?

 

I won't reiterate the points others have made. Points that you appear to be deaf to. Here is yet another link. An excerpt from the UK's White Ribbon Campaign site, about violence against men.

 

http://www.whiteribboncampaign.co.uk/violence_against_men

 

I'm sure you'll completely ignore it though, as you appear to be ignoring all the other points people have made. How on earth, when you approach issues in such a tunnel-visioned manner, did you ever manage to plod your way successfully through a law degree?

[betamanlet]

I won't reiterate the points others have made. Points that you appear to be deaf to. Here is yet another link. An excerpt from the UK's White Ribbon Campaign site, about violence against men.

 

http://www.whiteribboncampaign.co.uk/violence_against_men

 

I'm sure you'll completely ignore it though, as you appear to be ignoring all the other points people have made. How on earth, when you approach issues in such a tunnel-visioned manner, did you ever manage to plod your way successfully through a law degree?

 

 

The UK's campaign is NOT australia's campaign, and wha tyou provided was a tiny paragraph in a footnote in the UK campaign...

[TaraMaiden]

The UK's campaign is NOT australia's campaign, and wha tyou provided was a tiny paragraph in a footnote in the UK campaign...

 

Taramere strikes again.

Three out of three......

[harmfulsweetz]

The UK's campaign is NOT australia's campaign, and wha tyou provided was a tiny paragraph in a footnote in the UK campaign...

 

I don't really see you posting any statistics or information to the contrary, so what is your point?

[Truthseeker-John]

The overwhelming majority of people know this. So why are still bothered?

Because like many of us, betamanlet cares? People need to love and to be loved and that's why we are bothered.

[TaraMaiden]

Ts-J, you know Jean-Luc?

Well, betamanlet is in the same mould.

 

I commend your persistence and desire to see the positive in all situations, truly, I do, but some guys like being down, some just like to stir, and some swallow a bitter-pill every day.

 

We love 'em, we want to help them, and we want to see them view things in a better light.

Frankly, we'd love to 'save' all of them!

 

Can't be done.

Keep at keeping at it.

But no good deed goes unpunished, and sometimes they just turn and spit on your feet for trying to kick the burning branch away.