Don't be over weight

[Gold Pile]

You can bellow about being treated poorly and such, but you need to focus on this inescapable medical fact....

If you're maintaining excess weight you will die sooner than a healthier you.

You will get winded faster than a healthier you. Shorter life/lower quality of life.

 

Focus on those facts. You can get politically correct clones to PRETEND your'e attractive, and not guilty of sloth & gluttony but that won't keep you out of an early grave.

 

Start your 2011 resolution today...skip that donut and the fries. Move some...aim for 20 minutes of activity, your pace will quicken as you get in shape. If you had 20 minutes to detour to the donut shop, then you have 20 minutes to exercise. Cheat a LITTLE at the xmas meal (that doesn't mean 4 extra servings.) Then up the exercise to burn off the cheating.

 

The pc pretenders and everyone else will think higher of you when you're at healthy weight. Beware the envious sloth people who will claim you look ill and will otherwise try to side track you, they're the misery who wants company.

 

Relish the lies of the politically correct, ...but I am the unpleasant one trying to keep you out of an early grave.

[hART]

While it is great to motivate people to exercise, putting them down to do it is not the way to approach it.

I hate that stereotype that all overweight and obese people sit around watching tv and snacking on donuts. Maybe I don't exercise enough and I love sweets, but overall I eat healthy. I do exercise twice a week, walk everywhere (no car) & have successfully kept off 20 lbs, but not the 30 I lost some years back. "sloth" isn't really involved, because my exercise time is taken up by schoolwork this time of the year. Instead of aiming to be skinny, just losing a couple pounds will put an overweight person at lower risks for these problems. Plus, it is easier to maintain.

[theBrokenMuse]

Wow. I am so certain that no fat person has ever heard, "Get off the couch and stop filling your face, fatty!" It's amazing that people parrot these things as though the culture isn't already totally saturated with that message. Next you'll be telling people that smoking is bad for their health and that drinking and driving is dangerous.

[hART]

Wow. I am so certain that no fat person has ever heard, "Get off the couch and stop filling your face, fatty!" It's amazing that people parrot these things as though the culture isn't already totally saturated with that message. Next you'll be telling people that smoking is bad for their health and that drinking and driving is dangerous.

 

****ing A! thank you!

[bentnotbroken]

You can bellow about being treated poorly and such, but you need to focus on this inescapable medical fact....

If you're maintaining excess weight you will die sooner than a healthier you.

You will get winded faster than a healthier you. Shorter life/lower quality of life.

 

Focus on those facts. You can get politically correct clones to PRETEND your'e attractive, and not guilty of sloth & gluttony but that won't keep you out of an early grave.

 

Start your 2011 resolution today...skip that donut and the fries. Move some...aim for 20 minutes of activity, your pace will quicken as you get in shape. If you had 20 minutes to detour to the donut shop, then you have 20 minutes to exercise. Cheat a LITTLE at the xmas meal (that doesn't mean 4 extra servings.) Then up the exercise to burn off the cheating.

 

The pc pretenders and everyone else will think higher of you when you're at healthy weight. Beware the envious sloth people who will claim you look ill and will otherwise try to side track you, they're the misery who wants company.

 

Relish the lies of the politically correct, ...but I am the unpleasant one trying to keep you out of an early grave.

 

 

That assumes that some of us who are normal weight think less of them now....we all don't. Don't worry about anybody eles'e grave only your own inconsiderate one .

[johan]

When I go to the gym, I have been seeing a guy there who is extremely overweight. His shirts would be a tent for me. I actually wonder where they sell clothes so huge.

 

Not only does he have a really large gut, but he has another one under that where his legs start. Compared to him I zoom through my exercises, quick and light on my feet and pretty strong with plenty of endurance. He lumbers around, threatening to crush the equipment, some of which doesn't fit him. He is relatively strong, but has no fitness whatsoever. I can do 100 times what he can, in less time, and then shrug it off and go on with my day.

 

But I have more respect for him being there than any of the others who are like me. It takes guts to show up and be the obvious odd man out. He suffers and struggles with every exercise. He's there to actually improve his life. For him it's a matter of survival. Most everyone else there, including me, we're there for vanity as much as anything else.

[johan]

That assumes that some of us who are normal weight think less of them now....we all don't. Don't worry about anybody eles'e grave only your own inconsiderate one .

 

Speaking for myself: I think less of them. I'm generally not interested in associating with them. It's partially aesthetics, but it's also a practical thing for me: there's almost no way an overweight person isn't going to eventually be a burden in some way. If there are any obvious signs that you are choosing to live in a way that leads to a higher likelihood that I'm going to have to wait for you, do you some mundane task for you because you choose to disable yourself, or perform CPR on you, then I'll pass.

 

But that's not really just a matter of being overweight. If feel the same way about anyone who embraces an unhealthy lifestyle, regardless of what they weigh.

[Feelin Frisky]

Gold Pile, you've made it clear in other threads that you don't like excess weight especially women. But you make of yourself a pile of some other than gold when you spout off like this. You have no solid ground to characterize or criticize anyone who is obese--no one who is that way chooses it for themselves. It is a life-long sentence to not have the natural "off-switch" so-call normal people take for granted when it comes to the food/pleasure dynamic. If nature has granted you relative normality so that weight and obesity are not your own problem, perhaps you should just thank your lucky stars that you don't have to suffer the mis-perceptions of people around you much less the internal struggle to control something that is usually on automatic pilot for most everyone else.

 

No one is saying you should feel sorry for the obese, change your likes and dislikes about beauty or anything else PC. Just have the decency to not perpetuate misinformation and think you're making a funny joke at it. You do yourself a disservice. I'm encouraged by other people's responses on this thread. Overweight people are not overweight because they are stupid--Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire who has all the incentive in the world to stay thin. Yet she has ballooned time and again right in front of millions of women. Do you think she's short of information? Short of resources? A stupid woman? The truth is, she is short of the chemical "off-switch" that normal people have that regulates a human being into ceasing eating and ceasing wanting to eat when nutritional and/or metabolic needs have already been met. It's not my opinion--it's a fact-- expressed in common terms you might be able to understand. I hope so. "Fat" threads are only funny to either stupid or uninformed people.

[johan]

What misinformation? Also I didn't read the original post as a joke. Seemed serious to me.

[Feelin Frisky]

What misinformation? Also I didn't read the original post as a joke. Seemed serious to me.

 

It's just a new salvo against fat people which is not new for him wrapped up in a public service announcement to make himself look like he gives a crap which his words betray. "Guilty of sloth & gluttony" is a mischaracerization that belongs in the midlle ages, "skipping the donuts and fries" is an over-simplification that is typical mockery, "don't eat the four extra servings" is an exaggeration that is typical mockery which you'd probably know if if ever had to be the butt of someone's ridicule for being overweight.

 

And if my comments are enough see hART, theBrokenMuse and bentnotbroken's remarks--they seem to have gotten it too.

[HeavenOrHell]

Good post!!

 

 

Gold Pile, you've made it clear in other threads that you don't like excess weight especially women. But you make of yourself a pile of some other than gold when you spout off like this. You have no solid ground to characterize or criticize anyone who is obese--no one who is that way chooses it for themselves. It is a life-long sentence to not have the natural "off-switch" so-call normal people take for granted when it comes to the food/pleasure dynamic. If nature has granted you relative normality so that weight and obesity are not your own problem, perhaps you should just thank your lucky stars that you don't have to suffer the mis-perceptions of people around you much less the internal struggle to control something that is usually on automatic pilot for most everyone else.

 

No one is saying you should feel sorry for the obese, change your likes and dislikes about beauty or anything else PC. Just have the decency to not perpetuate misinformation and think you're making a funny joke at it. You do yourself a disservice. I'm encouraged by other people's responses on this thread. Overweight people are not overweight because they are stupid--Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire who has all the incentive in the world to stay thin. Yet she has ballooned time and again right in front of millions of women. Do you think she's short of information? Short of resources? A stupid woman? The truth is, she is short of the chemical "off-switch" that normal people have that regulates a human being into ceasing eating and ceasing wanting to eat when nutritional and/or metabolic needs have already been met. It's not my opinion--it's a fact-- expressed in common terms you might be able to understand. I hope so. "Fat" threads are only funny to either stupid or uninformed people.

[LucreziaBorgia]

I agree wholly about the early grave thing, GP - its just that a majority of people are able to prioritize their 'want' of eating whatever and being sedentary over their health particularly when no problems seem to arise from it. Double that when you are with someone who enables it by looking the other way or joining in.

 

My doctor and I talked at length after the whole cancer thing, and he stressed the importance of keeping my body fat down and improving my diet. A diet high in unhealthy fat and becoming fairly sedentary are two things that nearly certainly contributed to my getting cancer. I may have gotten it anyway because of the genetic roll of the dice, but the chances would have gone down considerably had I been in better shape and made better food choices.

 

I'll admit it - I didn't 'get it' either until after the fact. Hopefully more people will start to get it before the fact and not have to suffer the consequences.

[bentnotbroken]

I agree wholly about the early grave thing, GP - its just that a majority of people are able to prioritize their 'want' of eating whatever and being sedentary over their health particularly when no problems seem to arise from it. Double that when you are with someone who enables it by looking the other way or joining in.

 

My doctor and I talked at length after the whole cancer thing, and he stressed the importance of keeping my body fat down and improving my diet. A diet high in unhealthy fat and becoming fairly sedentary are two things that nearly certainly contributed to my getting cancer. I may have gotten it anyway because of the genetic roll of the dice, but the chances would have gone down considerably had I been in better shape and made better food choices.

 

I'll admit it - I didn't 'get it' either until after the fact. Hopefully more people will start to get it before the fact and not have to suffer the consequences.

 

 

Now this is post that states facts without throwing around respecting others based only on their weight. I also watch what I eat and exercise because of a family history full of early deaths due to preventable diseases. I do it for my loved ones. I do it because it makes me feel good. I don't do it for respect of others or their opinions of my life choices. Good post LB.

[hART]

GP is insulting and condecending to people who may not have as much control over thier weight as people assume. There are people who love overweight men or women. Positive change for health is a good reason, but not all overweight people are lazy. We have other attributes that compensate for the couple of extra pounds. Yes, my doctor told me to lose a few pounds too, so what we all have issues. Even with finals coming up, I've lost a couple and plan to work on more once school ends for the fall. Why would any woman want to lose weight to be with a man who is so mean to people for no reason?

[Vesna]

I don't think GP is being insulting at all. He is being realistic and I also disagree with the PC banner being raised all the time just so that we don't hurt fat people's feelings. Hurt their feelings! They might actually do something about the underlying sadness which caused their obesity. Children need to be trained these days which means restricting their diets and shoving them out the door to play. Fat parents set fat examples. Fat is fat and it is born of the same history - sloth and gluttony. I see fat people everywhere and it disgusts me. My fat friends hate skinny women and I plan to lose weight and join the ranks of the hated.

[bentnotbroken]

I don't think GP is being insulting at all. He is being realistic and I also disagree with the PC banner being raised all the time just so that we don't hurt fat people's feelings. Hurt their feelings! They might actually do something about the underlying sadness which caused their obesity. Children need to be trained these days which means restricting their diets and shoving them out the door to play. Fat parents set fat examples. Fat is fat and it is born of the same history - sloth and gluttony. I see fat people everywhere and it disgusts me. My fat friends hate skinny women and I plan to lose weight and join the ranks of the hated.

 

 

Since neither of my parents are obese why are two of my siblings. I will tell you why. My sister has been on steroids for sever asthma since she was 5. She is otherwise healthy. She exercises regularly and she eats well, yet by some asinine standard set by some asinine donkey she is looked down upon by people who need to boost their own self esteem by dogging her. She is loved by her husband(at her weight, he is very athletic and fit)her son( football player and track runner) and her family. She needs what from a group of "let's dog out any group who doesn't fit the standard of what I call attractive" to continue to live a blessed and happy life? My brother is obese because he is a competitive weight lifter...yup he is considered obese and "ugly" by others who view him as something other than their norm.

 

There will always be a group to hang all personal insecurities on until the group is the one you belong to. When did hurting someone motivate them.And unless you plan to dog others for jealousy,envy, pride and the rest of the sins you didn't list...don't assume gluttony and sloth are only culprits of being overweight.

[theBrokenMuse]

I don't think GP is being insulting at all. He is being realistic

No, he was presenting an extremely oversimplified and depthless piece of overspun rhetoric in response to a very complex issue.

 

and I also disagree with the PC banner being raised all the time just so that we don't hurt fat people's feelings. Hurt their feelings! They might actually do something about the underlying sadness which caused their obesity.

This is possibly the most repugnant thing I've thing seen in a while. We already know that it doesn't work. If it did, most fat people would not be fat because I guarantee you, most of us have heard plenty of nasty remarks from plenty of nasty people.

 

In all honesty, I can't understand why people still don't seem to get the idea that making many fat people feel bad about themselves is only going to make them eat even more in order to numb the pain because that's what emotional eaters do. In fact I think most people DO get it but just like being able to take a cheap shot at those they dislike (that they know are already too lacking in self-esteem to fight back) under the guise of 'concern'. What charming, lovely individuals.

 

Children need to be trained these days which means restricting their diets and shoving them out the door to play.

Was there a time when children didn't need to be trained?

 

Fat parents set fat examples.

Yet I can teach my children to eat healthy and I do. It's really not that hard.

 

Fat is fat

Stupid is as stupid does?

 

I see fat people everywhere and it disgusts me. My fat friends hate skinny women and I plan to lose weight and join the ranks of the hated.

Perhaps I am totally wrong but it sounds like you hate seeing fat people because you are projecting that which you loathe so very much about yourself onto others. I am sorry you feel so bad about yourself but please don't make blanketed statements about all other fatties based on your own experiences.

[hART]

Yes, training kids to eat healthy is good. Making positive change and encouraging people to eat right and exercise is great. Have you taken a nutrition class? Do you know how hard it is to lose weight on anti-psychotics? Do you know how little emotional eaters care about weight when they feel down? 98% of people who lose weight gain it back. If you are going to bring religion into this, judge not, lest ye be judged. What about vanity? that is also a sin. Arrogance isn't a virtue either. When you create in and out groups or create an "other", you create hate and inequality. Educate people, don't insult them.

[theBrokenMuse]

Yes, training kids to eat healthy is good. Making positive change and encouraging people to eat right and exercise is great. Have you taken a nutrition class? Do you know how hard it is to lose weight on anti-psychotics? Do you know how little emotional eaters care about weight when they feel down? 98% of people who lose weight gain it back.

I think the mindset people have going in is what makes it so hard for people to keep the weight off. People are willing to do crash diets and such for a little while in order to experience rapid weight loss but don't have proper eating habits to fall back on when it comes time to maintain or in the case of emotional eaters, find an alternative way to handle unpleasantries. This is why I feel the focus should be taken off of weight loss all together and put on getting our bodies healthier. I think the focus should be on learning how to shop for and prepare foods that are good for us and finding exercises we enjoy doing (I always hated the gym until I discovered racquetball and I love going for walks out in nature too. ). I think that emotional eaters need to find good therapists that can help them to make the critical changes needed to their coping skills.

 

Food addicts have it worse than heroin addicts do. They get that same reward chemical that other addicts get from feeding their addictions but they will never, ever be able to go cold turkey. I wonder if there would be as many recovering alcoholics if they were forced to take one shot a few times a day but told not to have any more than that while keeping their house filled with liquor. This in essence, is exactly what a food addict is up against. I feel so bad for those folks.

 

I really wish that weight issues weren't taken with such a grain of salt. These changes are not as simple as just 'eat healthy and exercise' for most overweight people. You have to retrain the way you think or be doomed to failure and that is not easy. Anyone who says it is is clueless or lying to you.

[hART]

That is what I meant my diet and exercise. When I reached about 200 lbs, I gave up the bad foods I wasn't into first like soda and chips, never much liked either. Those pot pies and junk like that were also easy to give up. I recently traded cereal for oatmeal, because I like oatmeal without raisins no sugar. Years ago I traded mac and cheese for a big salad (more than a 4th of the calories). I took up martial arts, which I love. When my bmi goes above acceptable, 26, I know it is time to lose weight and that time is now. I'm not on the psych med that makes me insanely hungary & my depression is okay, so I can lower my intake and add exercise. Being on that med made me realize what it must be like to not have control of your eating habits, it was the worst urge I ever had, worse than what drove me to drink.

[Yer_Blues]

Speaking for myself: I think less of them. I'm generally not interested in associating with them. It's partially aesthetics, but it's also a practical thing for me: there's almost no way an overweight person isn't going to eventually be a burden in some way. If there are any obvious signs that you are choosing to live in a way that leads to a higher likelihood that I'm going to have to wait for you, do you some mundane task for you because you choose to disable yourself, or perform CPR on you, then I'll pass.

 

But that's not really just a matter of being overweight. If feel the same way about anyone who embraces an unhealthy lifestyle, regardless of what they weigh.

Don't fall into this mistake. Not all fat people are in a stalemate or content with their fatness. I was 320 before I could vote, over 200 before middle school.

 

I'm currently in the 215-220 range, I've lost over 100 pounds, and I'm not a mountain anymore, but I'm still not real skinny. And there is nothing worse than being judged for something when you have more motivation and determination than most people in the area. I go to the gym and shame the pretty little college girls doing maintenance level workouts next to me. I run competitively with friends of a healthy weight until I about die. My heart rate doesn't really go below 170-180 for more than 45-100 seconds at a time. I do this 5 times a week, and I do doubles when I'm stressed.

 

Yet I am overweight. ****, the government still says I'm obese! Guess I should hide from doughnuts and repent for my "sloth". Some people lack will power, and just about every overweight person is personally responsible in some way. But just like some people are predisposed to lives of crime given their poor socioeconomic background, some people are born into real ****ty situations in terms of diet. Not everybody gets taught properly, and not everybody gets cut off before they have the maturity and decision making to do so themselves.

 

My entire life has been completely shat on by this condition. I was socially isolated for most of my childhood, never have had a girlfriend, and have only been able to develop true, deep friendships since I got my weight down. I have seen people go from being cruel and dismissive to being more friendly and accepting over time with nothing changing at all except weight. Everything has been more difficult because of obesity.

 

Posts like this make me laugh. Why does anybody who has never started off in a hole that allows for no respectable quality of life that takes years of unbelievable effort to fix think they can offer advice or empathize? That's laughable. Passing judgement or trying to instill guilt? Even funnier. This boulder on my shoulder is pretty heavy, heavier than all the weight I've lost, and I won't forget the lessons it's taught me about prejudice and stigma.

Edited December 7, 2010 by Yer_Blues

[D-Lish]

I'm skinny because I work very hard to stay skinny. It's not easy- you have to work at it.

[Gold Pile]

Thank You Johan,V, et al.

 

Over simplification isn't possible. It is this simple...don't over eat, and do exercise. Do it or live unhealthy and die early.

 

Make excuses (a missing "off switch" ?), and you'll put yourself in an early grave. Simple

 

If you wallow in the thoughtless PC lie that fat is attractive, then your life will be lumbering and shorter.

 

B4 PC...we had 2 fat kids in my school, they heard the uncensored opinions everyone had of the overweight. Nobody wanted to be them, and everyone took pains to be active and not over eat. Now the schools are full of unhealthy kids.

 

Stop the gluttony and sloth, your life will be better, Don't do it because of my blunt post. Do it for you. Don't let the politically correct or the slender haters delude you. Get healthy.

[Gold Pile]

I agree wholly about the early grave thing, GP - its just that a majority of people are able to prioritize their 'want' of eating whatever and being sedentary over their health particularly when no problems seem to arise from it. Double that when you are with someone who enables it by looking the other way or joining in.

 

My doctor and I talked at length after the whole cancer thing, and he stressed the importance of keeping my body fat down and improving my diet. A diet high in unhealthy fat and becoming fairly sedentary are two things that nearly certainly contributed to my getting cancer. I may have gotten it anyway because of the genetic roll of the dice, but the chances would have gone down considerably had I been in better shape and made better food choices.

 

I'll admit it - I didn't 'get it' either until after the fact. Hopefully more people will start to get it before the fact and not have to suffer the consequences.

 

You're an inspiring person. So many make their little excuses, you could easily claim a powerful excuse. But ypu don't.

[theBrokenMuse]

Thank You Johan,V, et al.

 

Over simplification isn't possible. It is this simple...don't over eat, and do exercise. Do it or live unhealthy and die early.

 

Make excuses (a missing "off switch" ?), and you'll put yourself in an early grave. Simple

 

If you wallow in the thoughtless PC lie that fat is attractive, then your life will be lumbering and shorter.

 

B4 PC...we had 2 fat kids in my school, they heard the uncensored opinions everyone had of the overweight. Nobody wanted to be them, and everyone took pains to be active and not over eat. Now the schools are full of unhealthy kids.

 

Stop the gluttony and sloth, your life will be better, Don't do it because of my blunt post. Do it for you. Don't let the politically correct or the slender haters delude you. Get healthy.

I take it then Polly doesn't want a cracker? Seriously though if all you can manage is to repackage what you've already said, why bother? What you had to say wasn't the least bit informative to anyone who actually functions within society but if it makes you feel any better please continue with your "Fat is bad m'kayyyy, fatties?" fest as it's amusing when people willingly partake of the self-pwnage of identifying themselves as intellectual lightweights (pun intended).

Edited December 8, 2010 by theBrokenMuse