zengirl Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Exactly my point. It still exists because it has a lot of hits. First of all: This thread doesn't disparage all men, which was the example donnamaybe gave. Second of all: Besides, it's a bit insensitively written perhaps, but hateful? Really? Only if you take NSA sex seriously, I guess. I don't get that. And, third of all and most importantly: There are plenty of woman-bashing threads that live way longer than this thread that perhaps criticizes a particular subset of males. Nowhere in her post did she criticize all men; in fact, she judged one group against another, showing that she believes men are not all acting in the manner she is criticizing. Link to post Share on other sites
catgotyourtongue Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I am going to tread lightly here, as a relatively new poster, but I think some people MIGHT be coddled from what I see. I don't know enough about the history of LS posters to make any harsh judgement as they would be based on hunches or what I have seen since being here, which is not too long, a month or so, don't recall really. THIS IS HOW I SEE IT: There are a handful of very responsive and strong-minded /willed people on LS that keep the boards hot and busy. If you are here for any amount of time, you see it pretty quickly. I think these x amount of people, you being one of them (in all due respect) have STONG opinions and will "stay in the fight". I admire people who will fight for their beliefs and opinions, but it does get exhausting watching tit for tat, jab for jab. Not you per say, but the people who get in the ring on a host of posts, and won't come out till the bloody death of another. OWWCH......fuc*ed up for sure. It seems some posters love to get into the longer threads of proving they are right, or proving they are not wrong, or nitpicking every word to counterpoint. That is fine, and I have no issue with these people going round for round, I can choose to join, watch or avoid. WE as LS'ers have a choice to bite or not. Sometimes I get in the game, sometime I run for the hills cause it's too exhausting and time consuming and I don't need to win. (BUT I digress, back to your point) DO some people get coddled, perhaps they do, fair or not, I think you might have a point. Hard to say, again, as I have not seen enough to make a good call, but I might tend to think this is true based on what I have seen, if it continues. (I am not naming names so please dont come and bash me....men or women) We can choose to either let people get our goats and tear us down and fight to the death, or we can at some point, pick ourselves up, take a breath, and walk away, right or wrong. Some people have a desperate need to be right, counterpoint everything, and make you see why it is not how you see it if that makes sense. They simply love hearing themselves speak and think they can rarely be wrong, I see that here. Both sides. It's those that stay in the fight that have the most to prove or disprove. Or also, those that have been the MOST hurt by their past experiences, on that particular topic, that have the most reason to stay and fight. Just my thoughts, not sure they were useful or necessary or my constant need to try to be fair, I make myself sick with myself, but I am all about fair, even if I get bashed for being wishy washy, both sides, soft, I am truly abt fair play. AND often I can see two sides of a coin, if I look hard enough, and once I see other posts, replies. Bottom line, I can see why YOU would feel some people are coddled. I am trying to decide for myself if I really believe that. Is it just that they post more, and say more, and fight back more, and counterpoint, or is it that they are coddled, I am on fence at times, and sometimes over fence, lol. Only time will tell me that. Sorry this was a thread jack, but I felt it brewing, and it was just time to buttttttt my little behind in, yet again, lol. I've seen it on this very site. Take a look at OG or Northern_Sky. Whenever one of them makes a thread, they are always coddled. They get some criticism, but for the most part they are coddled. I have never seen a male poster here that is coddled in such a way. Link to post Share on other sites
dispatch3d Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 And you are adding to 'em. She IS right about the whiny guys blaming everyone but themselves for their lack of success. I don't have a problem with what you said there, she really was just bitchy and disrespectful to all guys in her op. If she had said what you just said, then alright cool. Saying it's easy for guys to get laid wtf is the problem is a completely different thing altogether. (A) for most guys it isn't easy (B) that's pretty damn rude. But I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. The thread should have been closed, somehow some decent discussion actually took place which actually amazes me. Link to post Share on other sites
dispatch3d Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 lol good post cat. Somehow there are some gems in here, that post is a good example. Link to post Share on other sites
dispatch3d Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 First of all: This thread doesn't disparage all men, which was the example donnamaybe gave. Second of all: Besides, it's a bit insensitively written perhaps, but hateful? Really? Only if you take NSA sex seriously, I guess. I don't get that. And, third of all and most importantly: There are plenty of woman-bashing threads that live way longer than this thread that perhaps criticizes a particular subset of males. Nowhere in her post did she criticize all men; in fact, she judged one group against another, showing that she believes men are not all acting in the manner she is criticizing. I'm surprised you agree with your own third point. Your name is zengirl, yet you express an opinion which is essentially it's ok to bash men because it's ok to bash women. Or since woman-hating happens all the time, men-hating should happen all the time to. (1) Women hating is awful and should stop (2) Men hating is awful and should stop. I would rather do good things for other people, help men+women with their separate problems, etc. rather than bash either of the two sexes. How is it fair to critize bash and judge one group of men, but it isn't fair to bash all men?? Everyone should be treated with respect and dignity. Anyhow, that's just my view of things. Link to post Share on other sites
zengirl Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm surprised you agree with your own third point. Your name is zengirl, yet you express an opinion which is essentially it's ok to bash men because it's ok to bash women. Or since woman-hating happens all the time, men-hating should happen all the time to. (1) Women hating is awful and should stop (2) Men hating is awful and should stop. I would rather do good things for other people, help men+women with their separate problems, etc. rather than bash either of the two sexes. How is it fair to critize bash and judge one group of men, but it isn't fair to bash all men?? Everyone should be treated with respect and dignity. Anyhow, that's just my view of things. No, I wasn't saying that it's okay to bash one group because another is bashed, but rather refuting Max's point that the reason the thread wasn't shut down was just because it got a lot of hits. Or at least pointing out that this has nothing to do with women being "coddled" which was the train of thought from which it came. There is a difference. I agree that hating of people based on gender should stop. I don't agree that a general criticism of people based on their behavior (in this case, men "bitching" as the OP put it, about not getting laid) is hateful or the same thing as bashing an entire gender. I also don't think that this post exists because women are "coddled" while men aren't allowed to have feelings. It is totally fair to criticize behavior. Why shouldn't it be? Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 You're more nuanced, Woggle. So, if you're referring to my post . . . well, I'd never throw you in that particular pile. Don't get me wrong, I do take issue with plenty that you say, and some of it is hateful, and I never condone being hateful. But you demonstrate a reflective ability that does make you nuanced enough to sympathize with, I think. You may not have your issues all sorted out all the time, but at least you recognize them. I don't know if it is nuance but I feel the need to stick for my gender. Despite how I might come across I truly do not hate women and I know good ones exist but when I see manhating or misandry or when I see women blatantly being excused for things that a man would be crucified for I will respond. I also do speak in generalities but by no means does what I say apply to all women. I don't see how anybody can miss the larger trends that are happening. Link to post Share on other sites
catgotyourtongue Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Thanks I am getting beaten down, lol. I feel like just saying "TRUCE", life is not fair, we all suck sometimes, and men and women will never see eye to eye on many many things. ESPECIALLY THOSE very men and women with the loudest voices and strongest opinions. It stands to reason these threads stay alive so long because its the ALPHA posters posting with ALPHA posters, nothing wrong with it, it just who beats who down first, lol. Not blaming the top dogs, so to speak, but those with heavier voices, bark louder and longer, at one another, others just slowly walk away when it gets too much, or never enter the fight for fear of this exact thing. I need a breather, feel like I am in therapy, or need a drink, lol. Oh yeah, I have the flu, better make that hot tea. *sigh* lol good post cat. Somehow there are some gems in here, that post is a good example. Link to post Share on other sites
Seamless74 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Would it be possible to make a rule than when people "qoute" on their replies they have to put the quote ahead of their response to it.. to not do that seems rather silly.. And I personally have to hand it to Northern_Sky that young lady knows how the keep threads going.. Link to post Share on other sites
catgotyourtongue Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Would it be possible to make a rule than when people "qoute" on their replies they have to put the quote ahead of their response to it.. to not do that seems rather silly.. And I personally have to hand it to Northern_Sky that young lady knows how the keep threads going.. SEE YOU CAN teach an old dog new tricks. I was not even tuned into that, so it makes sense, DOH! put the quote first, lol. I have learned something else useful here. I got in habit of putting it after somehow, this makes more sense, cool. I am in. Is this what you meant??? I assume... Link to post Share on other sites
johan Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) I've seen it on this very site. Take a look at OG or Northern_Sky. Whenever one of them makes a thread, they are always coddled. They get some criticism, but for the most part they are coddled. I have never seen a male poster here that is coddled in such a way. Who the hell wants to be coddled?? Who cares how those two get treated or whether it's fair or not? The most disturbing thing about this thread is seeing how you have sniveling down to an art. You seem to want to have your masculinity handed to you or granted to you or just automatically recognized. That doesn't occur if you get offended each time one of the supposed LS princesses drops her hat. Edited January 8, 2011 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
Seamless74 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Yeah thanx Cat it looks waaayy better just kinda makes a bit more sense. Much obliged Link to post Share on other sites
catgotyourtongue Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Yeah thanx Cat it looks waaayy better just kinda makes a bit more sense. Much obliged You betcha!!!!!! I like progress, always have. Link to post Share on other sites
BobSacamento Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I think these guys know they can get an easy lay if they want. In fact they are probably getting it from time to time. You get frustrated when you can't get what you truly want. It's called venting...welcome to the internet. Link to post Share on other sites
moloko Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 These are guys I know in real life and trust. Nah, believe me most slutty girls have loose standards and don't just go for the hotties. I can only assume the guys who complain on these boards are either grossly unattractive and/or socially inept. and what are we to assume about women who bitch on these boards, and in real life, who say they can't find a good guy, yet go for the "bad boys"? Link to post Share on other sites
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