Does my boyfriends lack of enthusiasm to spend time with me = He's not that into me??

[Ms. Joolie]

We have usually been seeing one another about 2-3 times a week, but its always at my request. He doesn't initiate seeing me like he did in the beginning.

 

This is from your first post on this thread. When did he stop initiating seeing you?

[Thatguyintx]

Every step of the way, you keep pushing him, and then you're surprised when he wants to step back? I don't mean to beat you up about it, since you're already down, and that's a bummer, but, really, I think you've leapt to all the wrong conclusions.

 

I think he was into you when he felt good, and then when you started making him feel stressed, cornered, like he was always disappointing you, like you were trying to control him and the relationship you had with him, like you were always dissatisfied. . . then, he didn't like THAT and decided that maybe this wasn't working. That's pretty natural. Nice people don't like disappointing other people, and most people don't feel capable of massive change, especially when there's pressure being applied, as you were.

 

Honestly, you keep trying to control this relationship, and I'm not surprised

by any of his reactions, or that it's unraveled. You've replaced all those good feelings from the beginning with negative, pushy feelings from your manipulations and outbursts. How is he supposed to react? It's good that you apologized for your actions, but then you went on to push him --- controlling the contact, controlling the keys, etc. I understand why you did it. You felt rejected that he needed time. Just like you felt rejected that he wasn't seeing you enough. And it's a human reaction to push, pick at it, break up, etc, to try to regain control of the situation, to reject him before he can reject you.

 

It's wholly possible you're just incompatible, too, and that you really need a guy who can see you more, but if it's a matter of what you want not meshing with him, you wouldn't need all this drama. It might hurt, but you wouldn't wish you had him back. I don't wish I had clothes back that don't fit; maybe I wish I fit into them, but I recognize the mis-fit, you know? Either way, this isn't the way to go about it.

 

 

Amen!

 

As an IT person who thinks black/white and has lived this situation from the other side, I can tell you that unfortunately you pushed him away. It may not have been intentional, but it was predictable.

 

Blonde, you seem to live within an emotional realm. If he is an engineer, he most likely doesn't. The world is simpler to him. Recognize that.

 

I hope you are doing better today.

[SarcasticBlonde]

I wasn't saying to keep the key. (No need to go round and round about it, or ask the question, just: "Here, why don't you hold onto this key, since I won't be over for a bit" instead of asking the question, then expressing shock at his response, etc.) I was talking about the way you described the conversation. Everything you do sounds so filled with pressure, even to me, and I'm a girl + I wasn't actually present. I can only imagine how pressured he sounds.

 

I'm not saying you need to contact him if he needs to think. I am saying that stating all these rules is trying to control the situation. Needing to know how he feels, what he'll do, etc -- when he doesn't know, and the whole point of his needing time is that you've confused him so far that he doesn't know -- is controlling. And generally pushes people away. This is human nature. There's a huge difference between not contacting someone because he needs to think and you know that, and you're exercising self-restraint, and making a big deal about not contacting someone the way you did.

 

The reason he can't tell you how he feels about you is likely not because he never cared for you, but because the situation has become so negative, so fast, that he can't even wrap his head around this being the same relationship or you being the same girl as when you were moving along. Some of this is just what naturally happens when these first few big fights begin; some of it is the direct result of your actions. I'm not saying he sounds perfect---he sounds like someone who has some trouble expressing and asserting himself---but nobody is. I'm saying you've done, and continue to do, many things that seem counterproductive to your goal, which is quickly fading at this point.

 

I have no idea if you two were even compatible. But it seems to me that what happened here is that you pushed away a man who cared for you, who was in a fairly good relationship with you, over a few weeks of lessened contact, a lot of cloudy emotions, and a need for control. And yes, needing answers someone can't give you, is a need for control sometimes.

 

I disagree about the control factor and I don't think he cared about me as much as I thought.

[SarcasticBlonde]

This is from your first post on this thread. When did he stop initiating seeing you?

 

Right around after the holidays, it wasn't as often. I was doing most of the initiating.

[zengirl]

I disagree about the control factor and I don't think he cared about me as much as I thought.

 

Well, think what you will. But it seems silly to both blame him and want him.

 

At any rate, did you learn anything useful to you for the future (presumably with other men, because it's definitely not going to work out now, with the attitudes you've taken)? That's what these experiences are for.

 

Right around after the holidays, it wasn't as often. I was doing most of the initiating.

 

The holidays ended 18 days ago. He hasn't even had 3 weeks to make you feel this neglected. Doesn't that strike you as a bit extreme?

[SarcasticBlonde]

Well, think what you will. But it seems silly to both blame him and want him.

 

At any rate, did you learn anything useful to you for the future (presumably with other men, because it's definitely not going to work out now, with the attitudes you've taken)? That's what these experiences are for.

 

 

 

The holidays ended 18 days ago. He hasn't even had 3 weeks to make you feel this neglected. Doesn't that strike you as a bit extreme?

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion since I'm here asking for opinions. But you are also a little abrasive and what you are saying is just making me feel worse. And no its not because I don't wanna hear but more because I don't agree with it. Thanks anyway.

[carhill]

She's testing your boundaries. People do that on LS. Push back hard enough and they go away. I'm an expert at it.

 

What's done is done. Learn from it. I hope this man does the same. Take care

[SarcasticBlonde]

She's testing your boundaries. People do that on LS. Push back hard enough and they go away. I'm an expert at it.

 

What's done is done. Learn from it. I hope this man does the same. Take care

 

Its ok. Thanks Car, you too.

[ConflictedGuy27]

Every step of the way, you keep pushing him, and then you're surprised when he wants to step back? I don't mean to beat you up about it, since you're already down, and that's a bummer, but, really, I think you've leapt to all the wrong conclusions.

 

I think he was into you when he felt good, and then when you started making him feel stressed, cornered, like he was always disappointing you, like you were trying to control him and the relationship you had with him, like you were always dissatisfied. . . then, he didn't like THAT and decided that maybe this wasn't working. That's pretty natural. Nice people don't like disappointing other people, and most people don't feel capable of massive change, especially when there's pressure being applied, as you were.

 

Honestly, you keep trying to control this relationship, and I'm not surprised by any of his reactions, or that it's unraveled. You've replaced all those good feelings from the beginning with negative, pushy feelings from your manipulations and outbursts. How is he supposed to react? It's good that you apologized for your actions, but then you went on to push him --- controlling the contact, controlling the keys, etc. I understand why you did it. You felt rejected that he needed time. Just like you felt rejected that he wasn't seeing you enough. And it's a human reaction to push, pick at it, break up, etc, to try to regain control of the situation, to reject him before he can reject you.

 

It's wholly possible you're just incompatible, too, and that you really need a guy who can see you more, but if it's a matter of what you want not meshing with him, you wouldn't need all this drama. It might hurt, but you wouldn't wish you had him back. I don't wish I had clothes back that don't fit; maybe I wish I fit into them, but I recognize the mis-fit, you know? Either way, this isn't the way to go about it.

 

I agree with Zen's post, and would like to add something:

 

OP, the impression I got from your ex was that the time he needed wasn't necessarily for him, but for you to show him something.

 

you've shown him a side of yourself that's patently incompatible and he may not be too sure how to deal with it; although I think he was doing a great job. don't you see HE WAS THE ONE GIVING YOU TIME TO RECOVER.

 

he didn't want to break up. you knee jerk reacted, jumped to some wild conclusions and broke up with him, keys and all.

 

you showed him a side of yourself he wanted to see you restrain, and instead, you unleashed it again. what else can a man do but face the facts now...

 

I hope your head feels better, but by not calling him, you really hammered the nail right through the coffin... your coffin.

 

you have any idea what a passive aggressive slap in the face that was? sheesh. I remember a girl I was with. sure we'd have disagreements and childishly give the silent treatment to game the other, but when a real life dilemma happened we would INSTANTLY put the BS aside and take care/count on each other. you stripped him of that opportunity.

 

every time he was legitimately shocked by what you said, you were headed in the right direction. you were negating the part of you he saw, that had him on the fence. I recommended you ask how you could help him; that may have been a more loving tactic than tossing him his keys back and pushing a NC situation.

 

if I didn't know better, I'd say you wanted to break up with this guy.

 

last thing. if you seriously felt like you had limited control and the outcome couldn't have been any different, you should consider independent counseling. this may have been just an incompatibility thing, but if you really wanted to keep this guy (a super reasonable guy at that), you sure went about it in a wildly unhealthy way.

 

food for thought, love.

feel better.

[Madgick1]

Right around after the holidays, it wasn't as often. I was doing most of the initiating.

 

The holidays ended 19 days ago, and you said this recent trouble stirred up last Friday--meaning you went 2 weeks with reduced contact and you doing 'all' the initiating (even tho he was the one initiating all the phone calls). Just two weeks (out of 3 months), when you know he's extra busy and stressed.

 

Your complaint is he went from 3 days a week to 2 days, which seems to mean all this fuss is about missing 2 days of face to face at a time he's stressed and busy which is just periodic and you know will die down.

 

Can you understand what he's confused and bamboozled by? Everything was fine, he spent extra quality time with you at the holidays (family, trip, etc), and then he explains work is going to be demanding the next few weeks, and cuts back on 2 visits with you and you fall apart, you become demanding, threaten, dramatic, emotional--over two days.

 

He's thinking, what happened? I thought all was good! She can't handle two days (he's an engineer he's likely to think in these concrete terms) while my work revs up. This makes her fall apart? This is enough for her to end the relationship? I'm looking for long term, but the reality is I'm going to have busy spells and am periodically going to have to pull back from the relationship--and if this reality is too much for her, if it's enough to make her collapse and threaten to break up--two little missed visits--then what kind of stability can I expect in the future?

 

Will I have to go through this 4 times a year when business picks up? What I have to travel and miss a whole week of visiting--will I come home and find the relationship is over?

 

I think he did care about you (tears in the eyes), but was just flummoxed by your inability to cope with him pulling back to concentrate on work (the same work he offered to let benefit you by financial assistance) and your immediate emotional reaction to missing two days after two weeks when he'd just shown you a lovely holiday and paid you lots of attention.

 

I'm guessing he's thinking, why wasn't that extra attention and fun over the holidays enough to carry you through an expected dry spell. If he introduced you to his friends and coworkers, said he was happy and thought everything was good, and suddenly within two weeks you are complaining, emotional, and melodramatic (the key thing), he's likely to feel you pulled the rug out from under him.

 

He's not thinking whether he cares for you or not, he does, and he said so--he needs time to evaluate if you are the person he thought you were. The person he thought you were he cared about a great deal. The person you've shown yourself to be since Friday (or whenever you had that argument) is a stranger to him and shocked him. He's using that time to figure out which is the real you--and of course the real you is a combo of the two.

 

It would probably be worth your while to use this time (I think you said he needed a week to think things through), to examine yourself as well.

 

Why did you become so upset so fast within two weeks of the holiday even though you knew he had a good reason to pull back? I'm thinking this might not have anything to do with him, but with other issues, your low self esteem, abandonment issues, whatever... some of the stuff you've written about here.

 

Ask yourself why the extra attention he gave you over the holidays also wasn't enough to reassure you over the follow two weeks of a reasonable, anticipated and slight pull back.

 

If you don't understand these two issues (and please don't blame it all on him such as he was leading you on or he just never cared much after all), you are doomed to have this happen to you again and again, even if he takes you back this time.

 

Because you should at age 30 be able to cope with a situation where your significant other focuses elsewhere for a couple weeks without getting horribly insecure, demanding, and needy. It's not like you were cut off from ALL attention, you still saw him twice a week, and he liked that, and he still called every night. It was just a slight pull back, and the mystery isn't why he's shocked and confused and needs time to think, but why you can't roll with an expected normal life situation that is inevitable in EVERY relationship.

Edited January 19, 2011 by Madgick1

[zengirl]

She's testing your boundaries. People do that on LS. Push back hard enough and they go away. I'm an expert at it.

 

Not really testing her boundaries. Just pointing out the causality in the situation and how it could've gone the other way, or at least in a more positive direction.

 

I think it's silly for her to feel lied to, or feel like this guy did something wrong, when he seemed to make every attempt to be reasonable. They could, of course, be incompatible, but that didn't require any level of drama if that was the case---trying to change him would've made her wrong, not him wrong for being incompatible. Incompatibilities happen, and it's fine to walk away, but no need to leave in a huff, blaming the other person for being what they are, especially when what they are isn't necessarily "bad." So far as I can see, the guy did nothing wrong.

 

He backed off for 18 days because he was stressed. She contributed to it, and he began to re-evaluate her. Normal human behavior.

 

You are entitled to your opinion since I'm here asking for opinions. But you are also a little abrasive and what you are saying is just making me feel worse. And no its not because I don't wanna hear but more because I don't agree with it. Thanks anyway.

 

I'm sorry I made you feel worse. I do hope you learn something from the situation, however. Otherwise, it was just pain for nothing.

[SarcasticBlonde]

I agree with Zen's post, and would like to add something:

 

OP, the impression I got from your ex was that the time he needed wasn't necessarily for him, but for you to show him something.

 

you've shown him a side of yourself that's patently incompatible and he may not be too sure how to deal with it; although I think he was doing a great job. don't you see HE WAS THE ONE GIVING YOU TIME TO RECOVER.

 

he didn't want to break up. you knee jerk reacted, jumped to some wild conclusions and broke up with him, keys and all.

 

you showed him a side of yourself he wanted to see you restrain, and instead, you unleashed it again. what else can a man do but face the facts now...

 

I hope your head feels better, but by not calling him, you really hammered the nail right through the coffin... your coffin.

 

you have any idea what a passive aggressive slap in the face that was? sheesh. I remember a girl I was with. sure we'd have disagreements and childishly give the silent treatment to game the other, but when a real life dilemma happened we would INSTANTLY put the BS aside and take care/count on each other. you stripped him of that opportunity.

 

every time he was legitimately shocked by what you said, you were headed in the right direction. you were negating the part of you he saw, that had him on the fence. I recommended you ask how you could help him; that may have been a more loving tactic than tossing him his keys back and pushing a NC situation.

 

if I didn't know better, I'd say you wanted to break up with this guy.

 

last thing. if you seriously felt like you had limited control and the outcome couldn't have been any different, you should consider independent counseling. this may have been just an incompatibility thing, but if you really wanted to keep this guy (a super reasonable guy at that), you sure went about it in a wildly unhealthy way.

 

food for thought, love.

feel better.

 

Independent counseling? Wow ok. More way off base comments. Shouldn't have expected diff from you guy.

[carhill]

Let's review:

 

OP had a difficult evening. Ended up in a car accident and took a trip to the hospital.

 

Challenge is a good thing. So, also, is support. There's a time and place for each. I hope those responding understand the nuances of that, since they're preaching the same to the OP wrt her boyfriend. 'Nuff said.

[SarcasticBlonde]

The holidays ended 19 days ago, and you said this recent trouble stirred up last Friday--meaning you went 2 weeks with reduced contact and you doing 'all' the initiating (even tho he was the one initiating all the phone calls). Just two weeks (out of 3 months), when you know he's extra busy and stressed.

 

Your complaint is he went from 3 days a week to 2 days, which seems to mean all this fuss is about missing 2 days of face to face at a time he's stressed and busy which is just periodic and you know will die down.

 

Can you understand what he's confused and bamboozled by? Everything was fine, he spent extra quality time with you at the holidays (family, trip, etc), and then he explains work is going to be demanding the next few weeks, and cuts back on 2 visits with you and you fall apart, you become demanding, threaten, dramatic, emotional--over two days.

 

He's thinking, what happened? I thought all was good! She can't handle two days (he's an engineer he's likely to think in these concrete terms) while my work revs up. This makes her fall apart? This is enough for her to end the relationship? I'm looking for long term, but the reality is I'm going to have busy spells and am periodically going to have to pull back from the relationship--and if this reality is too much for her, if it's enough to make her collapse and threaten to break up--two little missed visits--then what kind of stability can I expect in the future?

 

Will I have to go through this 4 times a year when business picks up? What I have to travel and miss a whole week of visiting--will I come home and find the relationship is over?

 

I think he did care about you (tears in the eyes), but was just flummoxed by your inability to cope with him pulling back to concentrate on work (the same work he offered to let benefit you by financial assistance) and your immediate emotional reaction to missing two days after two weeks when he'd just shown you a lovely holiday and paid you lots of attention.

 

I'm guessing he's thinking, why wasn't that extra attention and fun over the holidays enough to carry you through an expected dry spell. If he introduced you to his friends and coworkers, said he was happy and thought everything was good, and suddenly within two weeks you are complaining, emotional, and melodramatic (the key thing), he's likely to feel you pulled the rug out from under him.

 

He's not thinking whether he cares for you or not, he does, and he said so--he needs time to evaluate if you are the person he thought you were. The person he thought you were he cared about a great deal. The person you've shown yourself to be since Friday (or whenever you had that argument) is a stranger to him and shocked him. He's using that time to figure out which is the real you--and of course the real you is a combo of the two.

 

It would probably be worth your while to use this time (I think you said he needed a week to think things through), to examine yourself as well.

 

Why did you become so upset so fast within two weeks of the holiday even though you knew he had a good reason to pull back? I'm thinking this might not have anything to do with him, but with other issues, your low self esteem, abandonment issues, whatever... some of the stuff you've written about here.

 

Ask yourself why the extra attention he gave you over the holidays also wasn't enough to reassure you over the follow two weeks of a reasonable, anticipated and slight pull back.

 

If you don't understand these two issues (and please don't blame it all on him such as he was leading you on or he just never cared much after all), you are doomed to have this happen to you again and again, even if he takes you back this time.

 

Because you should at age 30 be able to cope with a situation where your significant other focuses elsewhere for a couple weeks without getting horribly insecure, demanding, and needy. It's not like you were cut off from ALL attention, you still saw him twice a week, and he liked that, and he still called every night. It was just a slight pull back, and the mystery isn't why he's shocked and confused and needs time to think, but why you can't roll with an expected normal life situation that is inevitable in EVERY relationship.

 

Yes not be understanding about that the pull back of time was wrong. Yes I behaved in the wrong manner. I know this for the 20th time

[zengirl]

Let's review:

 

OP had a difficult evening. Ended up in a car accident and took a trip to the hospital.

 

And if she'd started a new thread about that (Bad Night + Car Accident = Doesn't It Suck), as a confession, or something, I would certainly never give advice in it, especially confrontational advice. That would be ****ty. But this isn't that thread. And, "Wow, I had a bad day," doesn't change the whole thread. I agree there is a time for support and caring. I'm sorry she was in a car accident. But she's mixing her bad day/car accident story with her already-started "My boyfriend didn't meet me 2 extra times in 18 days so he doesn't care about me enough so I pushed him into breaking up with me" story, and allowing that to further escalate her re-writing of this man, writing comments like he never really cared about her, etc, when she herself has given evidence to the contrary. It's human nature, so I don't fault her for it, except that it is self-defeating.

 

And I don't believe in feeling sorry for someone and supporting what seem to be self-defeating attitudes and choices because of it. Some people do; some people don't. Different schools of thought.

Edited January 19, 2011 by zengirl

[sydneysider1978]

Blonde,

 

I'm sorry to here that your evening didn't work out how you wanted it to.

 

If it wasn't for the fact your man is an engineer rather than a scientist, I would think I had dated the same guy! I dated and ended up living with an asian guy, who had grown up in the west. Despite having fantastic chemistry and truly caring for each other, he was a complete introvert and really needed down time on his own. He could be non-communicative at times, hated talking about emotions and I initiated most of the contact.

 

I read somewhere a great definition of introverts and extroverts. Introverts need to relax and recharge their batteries on their own, extroverts recharge in the company of others. Like you, I'm an extrovert, and to be honest, I don't really need time to myself, I'd rather chill out with others.

 

Even after a couple of years, we used to see each other once during the week and for one day/night during the weekend. I wanted to see him more, and for him to want to see me more, call me more but he never felt the need too. We just had different needs. I tried to be understanding and reasonable, and never made a fuss to his face but I always felt lacking. I wanted to feel passion and enthusiasm from him!

 

We broke up, he was devastated and tried to get back together with me a few months later. But it was for the best. I don't want to compromise my want / need for quality time and contact. He was never going to change, I would be unhappy with a husband like that.

 

There are guys out there who are looking for a different type of relationship, who call during the middle of the day to check in and love to hang out and spend lots of time with a girlfriend.

 

I'm not saying that your situation is unsolvable, but I think you will have to accept his personality type and what you can expect from him. He will always need time alone. You will have to decide whether this is OK for you longterm.

 

Good luck..

 

Sydney

Edited January 19, 2011 by sydneysider1978
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[carhill]

And I don't believe in feeling sorry for someone and supporting what seem to be self-defeating attitudes and choices because of it. Some people do; some people don't. Different schools of thought.

 

I'll remember that, for a time when you actually share any of your life here. For now, I'll just disagree with your methodology.

[SarcasticBlonde]

Blonde,

 

I'm sorry to here that your evening didn't work out how you wanted it to.

 

If it wasn't for the fact your man is an engineer rather than a scientist, I would think I had dated the same guy! I dated and ended up living with an asian guy, who had grown up in the west. Despite having fantastic chemistry and truly caring for each other, he was a complete introvert and really needed down time on his own. He could be non-communicative at times, hated talking about emotions and I initiated most of the contact.

 

I read somewhere a great definition of introverts and extroverts. Introverts need to relax and recharge their batteries on their own, extroverts recharge in the company of others. Like you, I'm an extrovert, and to be honest, I don't really need time to myself, I'd rather chill out with others.

 

Even after a couple of years, we used to see each other once during the week and for one day/night during the weekend. I wanted to see him more, and for him to want to see me more, call me more but he never felt the need too. We just had different needs. I tried to be understanding and reasonable, and never made a fuss to his face but I always felt lacking. I wanted to feel passion and enthusiasm from him!

 

We broke up, he was devastated and tried to get back together with me a few months later. But it was for the best. I don't want to compromise my want / need for quality time and contact. He was never going to change, I would be unhappy with a husband like that.

 

There are guys out there who are looking for a different type of relationship, who call during the middle of the day to check in and love to hang out and spend lots of time with a girlfriend.

 

I'm not saying that your situation is unsolvable, but I think you will have to accept his personality type and what you can expect from him. He will always need time alone. You will have to decide whether this is OK for you longterm.

 

Good luck..

 

Sydney

 

Thank you Sydney, this was very enlightening to read. Someone who can understand where I'm coming from. Its a nice switch.

 

I doubt this will end in my favor but if it does you have given me something to think about.

[Star Gazer]

Fabulous posts by zengirl. She nailed it all on the head.

[zengirl]

I'll remember that, for a time when you actually share any of your life here.

 

Sure. I've done it before. I asked for advice a few weeks back on helping a stressed BF. I share my life, when I have issues that I think input can be helpful with. Do I listen to everyone? Of course not. And I certainly don't ask that everyone listens to me. You can disagree with my methodology all you like---I just didn't like that you ascribed some strange purpose to it. I don't attempt to 'challenge' or 'comfort' people on here (that's for RL, in both cases). I just say what I think based on what I see.

[ConflictedGuy27]

Independent counseling? Wow ok. More way off base comments. Shouldn't have expected diff from you guy.

 

look, we're all adults here and I would've suspected you got by now that none of us are here to attack you, but to help.

 

I went though independent counseling myself and let me tell you, there are tremendous benefits associated with have a professional help you look DEEPLY into the mirror. you may be surprised what you see in there.

 

what I learned helped me as a person, romantically and in other aspects.

 

if you think I meant what I said as an insult, you need to grow up.

 

please reread Madgick's post and the chain of posts by Zengirl. they're seeing something you're overlooking.

 

keep in mind, this is all food for thought. we're suggesting you explore these things seriously; you don't have to (and probably won't), nonetheless, those two are so on base it's erie.

 

since I saw you weren't even flinching at their observations, I suggested face-to-face with a pro who may be able to dig deeper than any of us and help you truly understand WHY you did what you did.

 

food for thought.

[ConflictedGuy27]

btw, Zen, you're hot when you get all analytical like that. I'd diagnose your relationship so hard...

[SarcasticBlonde]

look, we're all adults here and I would've suspected you got by now that none of us are here to attack you, but to help.

 

I went though independent counseling myself and let me tell you, there are tremendous benefits associated with have a professional help you look DEEPLY into the mirror. you may be surprised what you see in there.

 

what I learned helped me as a person, romantically and in other aspects.

 

if you think I meant what I said as an insult, you need to grow up.

 

please reread Madgick's post and the chain of posts by Zengirl. they're seeing something you're overlooking.

 

keep in mind, this is all food for thought. we're suggesting you explore these things seriously; you don't have to (and probably won't), nonetheless, those two are so on base it's erie.

 

since I saw you weren't even flinching at their observations, I suggested face-to-face with a pro who may be able to dig deeper than any of us and help you truly understand WHY you did what you did.

 

food for thought.

 

I think you should "help" some other posters with your low blows and degrading comments. I don't want your "help" anymore. Thanks.

[SarcasticBlonde]

btw, Zen, you're hot when you get all analytical like that. I'd diagnose your relationship so hard...

 

I just had a wave of nausea.

[ConflictedGuy27]

I just had a wave of nausea.

 

that was a bit strong, wasn't it.

 

hmmm... how about "...I'd diagnose your relationship anyway you asked me to."

 

hiiiiiyooooooo!