let's talk about hell, baby

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by sweetbilly

Dyermaker, I'm not really sure you've understood anything I've said.

Oh no!

Scientific proof disproves Athieism, Budism, Hinduism, Islam, and any other religion that conflicts with the evidence. The only religion, or true faith, as I'll call it, that are accurate are the beliefs that can intragrate scientific evidence with the biblical narative.

You've yet to offer anything but ignorant and often hateful rhetoric. Please don't call that proof.

the sytematic murder of millions of jews by hitler (fueled by Darwin and his athiestic, evolutionary ideals)

Now you're just plain wrong. Hitler was, to some extent, a Christian. Darwin was NEVER an atheist, and didn't believe his ideas conflicted with religion at all. The only people who believed that Darwin and Religion were enemies were fundamentalists who couldn't reconcile their arbitrary biblical interpretations with advancing science.

As for the belief that there are two versions of Genesis, well, what denomination in this catagory are you associated with? because I only know of one God wrote.

Ouch, I'm sorry, how about reading a few chapters in succession, instead of selective quotes that sort of prove points you're making? Genesis, Chapter One, and Genesis, Chapter Two, offer two seperate and conflicting creation stories. Why is this? I mean, I know the answer, I just want to know what you think. The reason is because both stories were ancient oral traditions, that spoke about a religious truth of God being a benevolent creator. Certain things were added to justify the patriarchal society, for example, that Eve was fashioned from Adam's rib, which doesn't exist in the other creation story, both in a Standard KJV Bible.

I would like to know what it is, about my concern for people, that angers them. Is it because you know in your heart of hearts you are in peril, or is it because you hate anyone that actually cares about you.

No, it's because you're both hateful and crazy, sorta like Adolf.

Originally posted by sweetbilly

Read the very begining of Gen. This is a description of the continent of pangia that geologists, unwittingly, have proven to be correct. The continents are moving around Israel in a circular pattern, making the comment by Jesus correct when he said, "This is the ROCK OF THE WORLD that I will build my kingdom upon" The tectonic plates around Israel are the only ones that do not move suggesting a massive rock, that coincidentally, is only visable on the temple mount.

Jesus was a carpenter, not a geologist. The entire planet is a rock. He wasn't referring to an actual stone, he said this to Peter, stating that the rock-hard devotion of Peter is where he would build his church, notably the Roman Catholic Church that claims Apostolic Succession, down to Peter. I'm not here to say that any other religion is "wrong", but just pointing out that Peter was the first Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church, and was indeed the Rock that Jesus was referring to.

Jesus also said, "I am the chief cornerstone rejected by the scribes and pharses" do you know why they don't know who built the pyramids in egypt? it's because they don't read scripture. In the pyramid there's a broad path that leads to a pit, and a narrow path that leads to the kings chamber. Do you recall this particular scripture? there were 144,000 polished stones on the outside, and a top that was made of a precious type of stone or maybe it was Ivory, I can't really rember. But when God left the earth and went into the heavens he took it with him.

No, God actually just put the pyramid in Las Vegas, and it's now a wickedly successful Casino.

If youdid the #'s concerning population growth you would see that for evolution to have taken place there would be so many people you couldn't dig a hole without finding human bones.

No, bones are made primarily of calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, and sodium, and proteins--all things that decompose over time. Therefore, the bones that are in the holes you describe would become part of the soil, and in fact, would have to, or we'd run out of space on Earth. Do you believe in the conservation of mass?

Originally posted by Darkangelism

Where is the evidence that disproves all those other religion, what makes you right? Maybe you are the one thats wrong and islam is right.

Careful DA, Muslims, and not the freaks that you see on CNN, but true Muslims, are extremely tolerant, and include both the old and new testaments in their Holy Scripture. Historically, they have been the most tolerant, when they conquered lands, unlike the brutal Christian Conquistadors and Crusaders, they provided Islam as an OPTION, they don't believe in forced conversions. Another example is Akbar, of Taj Mahal fame, a Muslim king who ruled a Hindu Majority, the most tolerant and peaceful sultan I can think of.

Originally posted by sweetbilly

Sorry DA, like i said i'm not trying to offend anyone, but there have been so many debates between Islam and christanity, and Islam couldn't stand under the pressure either.

Simply not true. Muslims accept Christ as their divine Messiah. It's only Christians who disagree with Muslims, not the other way around.

And, in all of the Koran there is only one prophecy that has only a 20% chance of being right.

You're being facetious, right? Please stick to Weekly-World-News style New Testament Bible Study, the only subject of which you seem decently versed. It's evident you have NOT studied the Qu'ran, as it is NOT a book about prophecy at all. Muslims believe it as the final word of God, not a Ouiji board.

Originally posted by sweetbilly

first, the chineese only used gunpowder for fireworks.

LOL!

If you want to read a book on the issue read "the bible code" it'll explain alot more than I can.

If you want to read a non-wacko analysis of this pastime, the following will explain it with more humor than I can:

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbiblecode.html

so why is it that medicine, neuclar power, and so many discoveries, that have been made, happened after christ?

Empirically, Christ was a hinderance to science, not because of his beautiful message, but because of close-minded magistrates who saw science as a threat to God, and who stifled the pursuit of knowledge. For example, both Copernicus and Galileo had to rescind or not publish their (correct, in case you haven't read) theories of Heliocentricity. I suppose we revolve around the sun? The reason why most modernly accepted scientific discoveries were made after Christ is because of the fact that we have, as a society, secured surpluses of food, wealth, and luxuries, which allow us as a society to place value on the sciences.

After all, people in the middle east are still grinding their flour on rocks.

This is because they are poor, not because they aren't Christian. Plenty of Christians live in brutal poverty.

But after christ persented us with the required pieces of the new test. tech boomed and subsequently life has gotten better for christain nations and worse for others.

The great Secular nations aren't doing so bad, honestly. Technology boomed because of Christ? Your empiricism is entertaining. Let's see, why not say Hitler exterminated Jews because of Christ? Because if Christ hadn't shown up, there wouldn't be any technology, and Hitler used atrocious technology to exterminate the Jews, and other minorities.

[BlockHead]

dyermaker

The reason why most modernly accepted scientific discoveries were made after Christ is because of the fact that we have, as a society, secured surpluses of food, wealth, and luxuries, which allow us as a society to place value on the sciences.

I disagree. Over time, knowledge is gained and knowledge is lost. How many so-called discoveries are actually being rediscovered, and how many technologies are reinvented?

Democracy is not a modern concept.

sweetbilly

But after christ persented us with the required pieces of the new test. tech boomed and subsequently life has gotten better for christain nations and worse for others.

Exactly how many civilizations experienced decline? What causes this decline? Warfare? Corruption? Decadence?

[Darkangelism]

Dyer i know that muslims are not what is depicted on tv, otherwise i wouldnt have said that they could be right. Muslim extremeists are bad, most muslims are normal people, a bunch of my friends are muslim.

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by BlockHead

How many so-called discoveries are actually being rediscovered, and how many technologies are reinvented?

In terms of scientific advancements due to technology, none that I could think of.

Democracy is not a modern concept.

One of the problems of your posting style, the single line quote-defeat, is that you lose the context of what I was saying. I was talking about science, not ideology, and with a few exceptions, science has moved in a straight line ever since the Church stopped getting involved in stifling it.

Originally posted by Darkangelism

Dyer i know that muslims are not what is depicted on tv, otherwise i wouldnt have said that they could be right. Muslim extremeists are bad, most muslims are normal people, a bunch of my friends are muslim.

I was pointing out that it's not an issue of being right, since it's not Muslims who disagree with Christians, but the other way around.

[BlockHead]

dyermaker

In terms of scientific advancements due to technology, none that I could think of.

Heron’s steam engine.

How many hundreds of years did it take for another steam engine to appear?

science has moved in a straight line ever since the Church stopped getting involved in stifling it.

Baloney!

The fire that burned down the Great Library in Egypt was a step backwards.

In the 20th century, we made a great leap from horse drawn carriages to space travel.

 

Technological innovation is not a straight line, and it has little or nothing to do with the Church. That is just atheist propaganda.

Are Galileo and Darwin your only examples?

 

I suspect that a certain amount of science and engineering went into the design and construction of cathedrals.

[dyermaker]

I think in general, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that the Church is the sole hinderance of scientific progress, I'm simply defeating the ridiculous statement that the only reason science has moved forward is because Christ showed up.

[Darkangelism]

The engineering of cathederals predates christinity, the great wall, the pyramids were great wonders, Taj mahal

[BlockHead]

dyermaker

You can argue that science has progressed as a result of warfare and atrocities. The piston engine was based on cannons. Live human dissections, and grave robbing helped medical science. Nuclear power is a product of nuclear weapon research. Computers were used for ballistic trajectories, and code cracking. The technology used to make fertilizer is also used to make explosives. The technology used for space travel is a result of ICBM and V2 rocket research.

 

Darkangelism

Just because they are built with stone and masonry doesn’t mean that they all use the same technology. The techniques used to build the cathedrals weren’t the same as the ones used to build the Taj mahal or the pyramids. In fact, I don’t think there was any influence from the pyramids.

 

 

We are way off topic.

Maybe Hell is a place full of charlatans who are more than happy to tell you how wrong you are all the time.