Woggle Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The fact that she preached against marriage for so many years makes her a hypocrite. It's like David Duke marrying a black woman. No wonder Christian Bale has so many issues. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The fact that she preached against marriage for so many years makes her a hypocrite. It's like David Duke marrying a black woman. No wonder Christian Bale has so many issues. I doubt she is the cause of his tantrums, he was already a grown adult before she came into his life. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I know this is a bit off topic but speaking of feminism how is Gloria Steniem not a hypocrite for getting married? What is the difference between her and homophobic preachers who get caught with a gay lover? Like most zealots they never practice what they preach. Well, all of us are entitled to change our minds and our stances on issues over time, are we not? Would this make us all hypocrites? I don't believe that it does. I never thought I would get married or have kids. My childhood friends could probably recall me blabbing on and on about my stance on that. What do you know. I got married, and I had a child. Woggle, I would not be surprised to learn that after your horrible first marriage, you maybe swore that you'd never marry again. Your analogy of homophobic yet gay preachers is very insulting, and off. Gloria Steinem did not try to hide her marriage as if it were a shameful thing. She remained single for decades during which the institution of marriage was not a very equatable one. Here she is speaking for herself on the subject of her marriage, with Barbara Walters: On Marriage Barbara Walters: OK, Gloria, here we go. I have to throw your own words back at you. Quote: "You become a semi-non person when you get married. The surest way to be alone is to get married." Gloria Steinem: Yeah, well I think that's often, that's often true. But to be against unequal marriage is not the same thing as being against marriage. B.W.: Did marriage change or did you change? G.S.: Both you know, but I think that the marriage law changed a lot because if the marriage law was the same law that it was before the women's movement thirty years ago. I wouldn't have been able to do it. You know, because I would have lost most of my civil rights. I would have lost my name, my credit rating, my legal domicile, the ability to start a business. You know really most civil rights. And also, I mean I was a happy single person for fifty years. I mean, this is a long time. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 You are right that I swore off marriage after my first one. I once that I would rather drink a bottle of sulfuric acid. I guess people can change but after being so public about it and in some ways contributing herself to the gender war I do find it hypocritical that she could not practice what she preached. I think she just fell in love and that was enough reason to change her views. To be honest the same thing happened to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I urge you to rethink this. Feminism is not bad. Feminism has been very necessary. I can't speak for him, but I personally find true 'feminism' good, and 'feminist propaganda' bad. The former being the upholding of the principle that both men and women should have equal rights to make their own choices, fullstop. The latter, on the other hand, being propaganda hiding under the banner of 'feminism' which truly is just as bad as patriarchism, telling women that they're useless if they're SAHMs, that they should pack and run at the first sign of trouble in a marriage, that men are disposable. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I can't speak for him, but I personally find true 'feminism' good, and 'feminist propaganda' bad. The former being the upholding of the principle that both men and women should have equal rights to make their own choices, fullstop. The latter, on the other hand, being propaganda hiding under the banner of 'feminism' which truly is just as bad as patriarchism, telling women that they're useless if they're SAHMs, that they should pack and run at the first sign of trouble in a marriage, that men are disposable. I agree with that, but I don't even use the word "feminism" to describe the propaganda you're talking about, even if those espousing it do. It is NOT feminism. Unfortunately, there is always some backlash, negative recalibration, difficult adjustment, or however you want to describe it as an effect of social change. I think that in such a gigantic and culturally diverse society as the one we have in the USA such effects are necessarily bigger and more problematic than they might be in a more homogenous society. Anyway, it's up to each of us as individuals to stand for our beliefs in the most honorable way we can. That would mean to resist falling prey to either the negative propaganda you wrote about, or to the tendency to want to put women (or any group) back into a "lower" social status because of fear. Link to post Share on other sites
xpaperxcutx Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 You are right that I swore off marriage after my first one. I once that I would rather drink a bottle of sulfuric acid. I guess people can change but after being so public about it and in some ways contributing herself to the gender war I do find it hypocritical that she could not practice what she preached. . Personally speaking, Woggle, you're not referencing her hypocrisy, but her pride. I think anyone would be embarrassed if they start preaching something they've been against for the last 50 years. However, she owed up to it ( even though she went about it in a loophole and said " equal marriage"). You could very well have done the same thing- you fell in love with your wife even though you weren't even thing about serious when you first met her. Link to post Share on other sites
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 I wasn't referring to all feminism. I was referring to radical feminism. I'm actually okay with liberal feminism, and consider myself one. But radical feminism is just sick. I don't follow feminism all that much, though, or know all that much about it. I've never taken a women's studies class. I just tend to see people as human beings - not one gender above the other - and treat them accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I can't speak for him, but I personally find true 'feminism' good, and 'feminist propaganda' bad. The former being the upholding of the principle that both men and women should have equal rights to make their own choices, fullstop. The latter, on the other hand, being propaganda hiding under the banner of 'feminism' which truly is just as bad as patriarchism, telling women that they're useless if they're SAHMs, that they should pack and run at the first sign of trouble in a marriage, that men are disposable. This says it in a nutshell. Feminazis are what I can't stand. I have respect for feminists but feminazis on the other hand are just female chauvinists. Link to post Share on other sites
cerridwen Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Agreed. I have a wide social circle and have lived in five different countries. I've never experienced anything that looks like the dating section of this forum. Agreed. (sigh) I liked the thread "Say Something Nice About the Opposite Sex" and wish more such sentiments were expressed on LS. There are so very many things I love about men. Link to post Share on other sites
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 Agreed. (sigh) I liked the thread "Say Something Nice About the Opposite Sex" and wish more such sentiments were expressed on LS. There are so very many things I love about men. Agreed. I wish people were kinder to each other. Acceptance equals understanding which equals kindness. Seems like people aren't accepting, or understanding, which doesn't equal kindness. Link to post Share on other sites
Author LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 You don't have to accept or understand something in order to be kind. So what you're saying is that these people are not kind, because they will never be? I refuse to believe that, as human beings, we can't be kind to each other. Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveaddict Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I'm reading the dating forum, and every thread seems to be an attack on the opposite sex. I'm just wondering if this is normal, for dating. Should I even bother with it, if the girl is going to cheat on me for being "nice and boring", or some other dude is going to steal her away because he had muscles and was more manly than me? I see flames flying from both men AND women, and I'm just wondering...am I better off being single? Is there anybody out there who doesn't hate the opposite sex? It's not an attack by anyone. It's just human nature. You have the facts more or less correct. If you are "nice and boring" most girls will quickly grow tired of that and you will be cast off into the dreaded friend zone. Soon to be replaced by the manly guy with muscles Link to post Share on other sites
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