prohibiting gay marriage unjustified - federal brief to canadian supreme court

[Fedup&givingup]

I say NO gay marriages! The thought of all the legal allowances that will be allocated because of the fact that gay people are legally married is enough to make me sick

[jenny]

o no....

[jenny]

ok, fedup..why not? why on earth would you care if loving gay couples get to marry here or not?

 

if your own husband is allowed the right to marry, which he clearly does not understand nor obey, why not let gay couples have the same basic civil rights that you take for granted?

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by Fedup&givingup

I say NO gay marriages! The thought of all the legal allowances that will be allocated because of the fact that gay people are legally married is enough to make me sick

 

Years ago the thought of a black man and a white woman walking down the street arm in arm in matrimony was enough to make plenty sick, that doesn't make you anything more than a hateful bigot.

[sweetbilly]

Choosing to be gay, and being born black are not the same thing. And just because she dosen't falter under your pressure dosen't make her a bigot either. I'd say, with your unyielding hatetred of Christians and their viewpoints, you're a bigot too; or don't you like being called a bigot. In fact, we've proven time and time again that we are far more tollarant than you've been. And to prove it you called her a bigot. She didn't call you a faggot when she expressed her views, so I think you owe her an apology. I expect the day will come in this country, like it did in Germany, when we will have to defend ourselves from extremist homosexuals.

 

Jenny, I don't think Christians have a problem with gays having civil rights, They're human beings too and deserve the same representation as straight people. That's why we don't disagree with civil unions. It's special rights that's being fought against so diligently. Do i have special rights simply because I'm heterosexual, no! But If special rights were afforded to Homosexuals, simply because they're homosexual, how long do you think it would be until NAMBLA, the nation of Islam, rapists, murders, pornographers or any of the other vile scum, who thought they were being persecuted for their beliefs, filed their own lawsuits demanding equal rights too. This could unbalance the whole judicial system, not to mention destroy what has already been fought for so diligently by blacks, victims of rape, incest, murder, and puts children under direct threat of child molesters with civil rights. The supreme court has already deemed your rights end where my nose begins, and forcing Christians to marry homosexuals is a punch in the nose. Allowing the state to recognize gay marriages forces all people to recognize gay marriages, which violates my deeply held religious convictions and, thus, my civil rights. Christians will not allow the govt to force upon them the acceptance of gay marriage, even under the threat of death! There's no way we'll ever allow anything to come between us and our God, the cost is for us is too great.

[BadMan]

Originally posted by dyermaker

Years ago the thought of a black man and a white woman walking down the street arm in arm in matrimony was enough to make plenty sick, that doesn't make you anything more than a hateful bigot.

 

Hahaha, I love how anyone who is against gay marriage is now a hateful bigot. Just proves to me you not as smart as you think you are.

Anyway, there is no way gay marriage will be allowed here in the US. So get over it gay people.

[jenny]

actually, if you have been following the cases, it looks like gay marriage *will* be allowed in the US. i would be willing it bet that it's fully permitted by 2015, if not sooner.

[wideawake]

Originally posted by sweetbilly

I expect the day will come in this country, like it did in Germany, when we will have to defend ourselves from extremist homosexuals.

 

Oh yeah, and than in response to those and other horrible actions, we had to go and kick the living crap out of the German's didn't we?

 

Huh...funny how that worked.

 

Anyways...thanks for showing your true colors there sweety.

[sweetbilly]

I don't think America will exist in 2015. You may not know this, and many may not care, but what's happening in America, concerning Homosexuality, is recorded in the bible. Paul said, "homosexuality and the acceptance of homosexuality in society is the last thing to happen before God sets his judgement upon that society". so I feel the outcome of this war in Iraq isn't going to be good, so is it a coincidence that the battle that finally ends humanity begins in the euphrates valley (ie Iraq)? Don't really know. Funny enough, I have a feeling the Iraq war will never end. It's just getting started. However, this time for the sake of everyone on earth I truly hope I'm wrong. I just thought you'd be interested to know the reason why christains fight gay marriages so much.

[jenny]

can you please explain what you meant by this:

 

 

I expect the day will come in this country, like it did in Germany, when we will have to defend ourselves from extremist homosexuals.

[zarathustra]

billybob, the Nazis rounded up Gays and threw them into concentration camps. Gay inmates were forced to wear pink triangles to identify themselves as homosexual.

 

The one thing you didn't want to be in Nazified Europe was a Jew, a Gypsy or a Gay.

 

IT WAS A DEATH SENTENCE.

 

Gay activists are not Nazis. For you to suggest otherwise is repugnant.

[Juggs]

YIKES! What happened here? I like the thread about polygamist marriage MUCH better....

 

OK.... so if Gay folks shouldn't be allowed to marry as some of you have expressed, what about a civil union? Shouldn't 2 people who live together, love each other and plan to spend the rest of their lives together have the same rights regardless of gender? Health benefits, death benefits.... what if 1 partner is in the ER hanging on to his/her life.... Shouldn't the other partner have the same rights as a married couple and be able to see his/her partner and comfort the one they love?

 

And you know, now that I think about it, why is everyone in this world so concerned over who is sleeping with who? Like it effects my life at all if the girl in the office next to me goes home and kisses her wife hello instead of her husband... As long as they are loving and caring and HAPPY, who cares? It's not like Gay people are reproducing at a rapid rate and taking over the world or something.... They just desire different things then Heterosexuals...

[sweetbilly]

who's we, did you go to Germany with an army of homosexuals and fight Hitler? coincedentaly,There is also a belief that Hitler eas actually a homosexual.

 

Jenny: what I meant is the way people hate christains in this country, well, it reminds me of what happened to the jews in Germany before the outbreak of WWII. Soon, I'm sure well be watching our churches as their being burnt down or being rounded up and being sent to concentration camps because we won't conform to societal standards. We're hated everywhere we go; just look at the threads that's been posted on L.S. Right now Christains are terrified because we can see impending doom on the horrizon, which I might add will fulfill our translation of scripture if it does happen.

[wideawake]

I've heard it all now...

[Juggs]

I, personally, think it is a shame that in the one country on this planet that was founded in order to allow people the freedom of choice, people still need to hide their real selves and are not treated equally because they aren't like everyone else... So it's only freedom of choice if you make the choice we tell you to make.... Nicccce.

[Juggs]

The difference between Gay people and Straight people is that Gay people don't give a rat's patooty if you are gay or straight.

 

Have a good afternoon, folks.

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by sweetbilly

Choosing to be gay, and being born black are not the same thing.

You have NO evidence that homosexuality is a choice, none whatsoever.

I'd say, with your unyielding hatetred of Christians and their viewpoints, you're a bigot too; or don't you like being called a bigot. In fact, we've proven time and time again that we are far more tollarant than you've been. And to prove it you called her a bigot.

I don't hate Christians, I am a Christian--perhaps you're just not used to Christians who aren't interested in homophobic bigotry.

She didn't call you a faggot when she expressed her views, so I think you owe her an apology.

{Ehem} Thank you for not calling me a faggot, my sincere appreciation.

I expect the day will come in this country, like it did in Germany, when we will have to defend ourselves from extremist homosexuals.

I hope to god the rational homosexuals defeat the hateful religious extremists.

Jenny, I don't think Christians have a problem with gays having civil rights, They're human beings too and deserve the same representation as straight people. That's why we don't disagree with civil unions. It's special rights that's being fought against so diligently.

Civil unions don't gaurantee the same legal rights as marriage.

Do i have special rights simply because I'm heterosexual, no!

Replace the "no!" with a "yes!" and you've got the truth.

But If special rights were afforded to Homosexuals, simply because they're homosexual, how long do you think it would be until NAMBLA, the nation of Islam, rapists, murders, pornographers or any of the other vile scum, who thought they were being persecuted for their beliefs, filed their own lawsuits demanding equal rights too.

Irrelevant blather.

This could unbalance the whole judicial system, not to mention destroy what has already been fought for so diligently by blacks, victims of rape, incest, murder, and puts children under direct threat of child molesters with civil rights. The supreme court has already deemed your rights end where my nose begins, and forcing Christians to marry homosexuals is a punch in the nose.

NO one is forcing churches to marry gays. NO ONE. You're misinformed, hateful, and you don't even bother to read the facts.

Paul said, "homosexuality and the acceptance of homosexuality in society is the last thing to happen before God sets his judgement upon that society".

Please find some evidence for this, otherwise I'm considering it a blatant lie.

I just thought you'd be interested to know the reason why christains fight gay marriages so much.

You don't speak on behalf of all Christians.

[moimeme]

Christains are terrified because we can see impending doom on the horrizon, which I might add will fulfill our translation of scripture if it does happen

 

Oh bull. It is extremely offensive to hide your bigotry behind Christianity. Christ said LOVE EVERYONE. However I can't find it in my heart to love bigots like the extreme right-wingers on this board who keep pretending they are 'christians' to try to cloak their disgusting beliefs in respectability. Not gonna happen.

[Juggs]

If you are not homosexual youself, please tell me how someone else being homosexual and being married/united/commited to another person effects you directly... Cause I still don't get it.

 

And please please please.... PLEASE give me the location in the bible that I can find where it specifically states that God does not approve of homosexuals.... The bible I grew up reading and learning from said God wanted us to love each other and be tolerant. And what was that other catchy phrase???? Judge not lest ye be judged... Or something along those lines.

[Moose]

Ok, I'm not like the biggest bible thumper out here. But, I can tell you that it is displeasing to God to see men with men and women with women. I don't know where specifically and in so many words where it is said that it's displeasing to God probably because that's a NO BRAINER!!!! DUH!!! God made Adam, then his helpmate Eve, His divine plan was for Man and Woman to live together forever in the paradise garden of Eden. Then came the FALL of MAN when the forbidden fruit was eaten, ( Mind you God knew all along this would happen ), as a punishment, Man and WOMAN were to bear children and by the sweat of his brow shall Man live. Basically cursing the human race into damnation and fornification. This is where pleasure is saught and when Man gets bored with some types of "pleasure" he will seek out other forms of "pleasure" and then you get homosexuals who want the attention and acception of the world.

I for one believe it's wrong, but I have had co-workers and friends who are gay by defintion and I've never pushed my beliefs on them. I do tell them about my faith and what I believe in, but I never told any of them that they are going to hell for it because if they know Christ as their saviour the will be in heaven. But don't expect a major crown or a cushy job when you get there. Just be prepared.

[Juggs]

Originally posted by Moose

I for one believe it's wrong, but I have had co-workers and friends who are gay by defintion and I've never pushed my beliefs on them. I do tell them about my faith and what I believe in, but I never told any of them that they are going to hell for it because if they know Christ as their saviour the will be in heaven.

 

This I can accept and respect. You have every right to believe it is wrong, it is your right as an American. And I respect the fact that you do not judge people for how they choose to live their lives even though it differes from your personal point of view.

 

I am interested in seeing where in the bible it specifically denounces homosexuals, though.... I suspect that people take their personal beliefs and say it is in the bible when it is merely that persons interpretation of things said in the bible, not the actual scripture.

[wideawake]

Originally posted by Moose

I can tell you that it is displeasing to God to see men with men and women with women.

 

Would it not also be displeasing to God to presume to know his/her views? You presume to know God's beliefs, is that not sacrilege in and of itself?

 

God made Adam, then his helpmate Eve

 

Lilith gets the shaft AGAIN!

 

I need to go confer with my helpmate on this, see what she has to say. Hopefully I can come back and post a reply after she beats me down for calling her a "helpmate".

 

This is where pleasure is saught and when Man gets bored with some types of "pleasure" he will seek out other forms of "pleasure" and then you get homosexuals who want the attention and acception of the world.

 

I don't man...I've been savagely horny and bored in my life at times and I've yet to go seek pleasure from other men. Maybe people are just born that way and they don't have a say in it?

 

I have had co-workers and friends who are gay by defintion and I've never pushed my beliefs on them. I do tell them about my faith and what I believe in, but I never told any of them that they are going to hell for it because if they know Christ as their saviour the will be in heaven. But don't expect a major crown or a cushy job when you get there. Just be prepared.

 

What are the new rules and regs for gays accepting Christ as their savior? Do they have to work for less than angelic pay? Are all the 'cushy' jobs in heaven taken up by the true people? And to think that heaven has that amount of red tape…sigh?.....oh well...maybe I'll get a used crown or something...Maybe one of the gay guys working in the crown storage facility will hook a brother up.

[moimeme]

But, I can tell you that it is displeasing to God to see men with men and women with women. I don't know where specifically and in so many words where it is said that it's displeasing to God

 

This is bogus. Honestly, what sacrilege. You are basically saying 'I believe this, so God must, too'.

 

We have had several posts about the specific Bible passages where this is stated; one is in Leviticus, where it was called an 'abomination' - as were eating shellfish and certain meats and other things. That's the same book that says that you should stone your kid to death if the kid disobeys you. However, anti-gay people focus on that one passage and conveniently ignore all the other 'abominations' in that book; nobody's stoning their kids. The other place is St. Paul - again, the guy who said women shouldn't wear gold or be teachers.

 

So either you follow ALL the Bible, or you understand that some people are bastardizing the Bible to support their own prejudices. IMHO, if you are a genuine Christian, you will deplore people who do such things and you will not join them.

 

To do anything else is to be a hypocrite.

[Moose]

moimeme,

Let's get one thing perfectly clear ok? This is like the third time you have brought up the Old Testament to use as your fire power. I have great news for you.....we are no longer under the Old Testament law. Not to say to cancel out everything the bible has to say in the OT, however, the laws such as stoning and eating shellfish, meat on certain days and sacrifises are all but gone.

 

God created MAN AND WOMAN!!!! If he wanted the world to be anything other than that, you and I wouldn't be here so it wouldn't matter now would it?

 

Here is a little more for you to pick at:

 

Let’s begin at the beginning. Let’s go back to creation. I think the story contained in Genesis (Gn) 1:1-2:3 can be characterized as the story of the creation of the world; I think the story which follows, i.e., the one in Gn 2:4-25 can be characterized as the story of the creation of human sexuality; and that second story is beautiful. In it God does not lessen Adam’s desire for a suitable companion. God does not tell Adam that he should forget all such ideas. He does not tell him that the desire for a companion like himself with whom he can enjoy profound intimacy is an inferior desire born of animal lust. Instead, God actually increases that desire by having Adam look at and name every single creature God made. Adam analyzes every one of them looking for the creature that matches his desire. None do, and Adam is left feeling even more alone. After heightening Adam’s desire for a true companion, God created woman. Human sexuality then becomes fully present, and it is God who makes that happen. God makes Adam and Eve the way they are made so they can be “one flesh.”

 

Now I know that the phrase “one flesh” refers to a profound unity between a woman and a man, a unity that involves more than sexual union; but I also know that the phrase “one flesh” does include sexual union. And notice that there is nothing dirty about that fact. The text does not apologize for introducing such a subject into a holy book. You see, sexuality itself is viewed as holy because it is made by holy God. It is not dirty or degenerate. It is holy and to be prized, and it is made to be shared by a wife and a husband.

 

The point that is strong from this story is that God’s created purpose for human sexuality is that it be an experience between a husband and a wife. It could be hardly clearer. God has a purpose for sexual union. Anything else departs from that purpose.

[sweetbilly]

I for those who want to know where homosexual's have been condemned in the Bible go to these sites http://www.scripturessy.com/q359a.html (There's twelve quotes from the bible there) or you can go to http://bible.org/docs/splife/chrhome/homo.html Now, try to tell me homosexuality is'nt condemned in the bible.