Women, could you be with an uncircumcised man?

[Enchanted Girl]

It's easy for a woman to say that.

 

I don't have any "gack" in there, and it doesn't stink. It smells a little bit sometimes sure, but I don't think anybody's genitalia is completley odorless.

 

Seriously, it's easy to wash it. Maybe it's just that the ones that you think stink are slobs anyway.

 

And how come only American women have a trouble with this? Women in the rest of the world doesn't seem to mind. Are you just extra sensetive and more prude than European women for example?

 

Actually, in middle eastern countries it would be the same thing. There's probably more uncircumcised men here than over there.

 

The word wouldn't be "prude" either, it would be "shallow".

 

And just because some of them have that preference, doesn't mean all of them do or that's really that different from a lot of standards men place on women and their bodies.

[dreamingoftigers]

I am the opposite, I don't like them circumsized, it is like a piece is missing.

 

My husband is not circumsized and it would be very difficult for me to go back to the cut guys.

 

I find it makes intercourse better even.

[Velociraptor]

Actually, in middle eastern countries it would be the same thing. There's probably more uncircumcised men here than over there.

 

The word wouldn't be "prude" either, it would be "shallow".

 

And just because some of them have that preference, doesn't mean all of them do or that's really that different from a lot of standards men place on women and their bodies.

 

I know, I said Europe though. But yes the Middle East are even more strick on cirumcision. But after that comes America.

 

Europe, Asia, Africa, etc etc... It's very rare for men to get circumcised there. Circumcised men are in the minority in the world.

 

Well atleast I don't ask women to mutilate their own bodies. One poster said "Clip that foreskin please", yeah because it's no big deal putting a knife down there and start cutting out skin with a bunch of nerve endings in it It sure seems completley painless

[sally4sara]

Again it's not any harder to wash an uncirumcised penis than a vagina. You just simply pull the foreskin back and wash it, thats what I do.

 

I even think it's more difficult to wash a vagina than a unicrumcised penis, It seems that way anyway.

 

I think its an outdated practice. I hate that my son is circumcised; I didn't want him cut but his dad saw to getting it done while they were attending to me post birthing.

I had one BF who was uncut, my feelings about circumcision were not changed by this; I already felt it was wrong practice when I met him. I didn't notice anything off putting about him being uncut. If anything, it added a bit of girth that would be lost if removed.

But it would be a tiny bit more complicated to keep clean compared to a vagina. We don't have to pull anything back to wash the general area and the internal area is intended to be self cleaning. Unfortunately so many women buy into the feminine hygiene products' advertising tactics and start forcing liquids up in themselves and spraying crap all over the area. There are a couple medications that can whack out the natural balance too. But for the most part, a vagina manages its intended functions without assistance.

[MrNate]

Hm. This discussion won't end well.

[Enchanted Girl]

I know, I said Europe though. But yes the Middle East are even more strick on cirumcision. But after that comes America.

 

Europe, Asia, Africa, etc etc... It's very rare for men to get circumcised there. Circumcised men are in the minority in the world.

 

Well atleast I don't ask women to mutilate their own bodies. One poster said "Clip that foreskin please", yeah because it's no big deal putting a knife down there and start cutting out skin with a bunch of nerve endings in it It sure seems completley painless

 

Well, I don't think there should be posters telling men to get circumcised on them.

 

Like I said, my opinion is neutral about it, so I don't think trying to force people to have a preference in either direction is right. I think its up to the individual and men who aren't circumcised shouldn't be made to feel bad about it.

 

And women do mutilate their bodies all the time to be beautiful. Plastic surgery is actually very common. I've gotten it myself and was pressured into it and endured a lot of pain because of it. It wasn't on my boobs or anything like that. It was on my jaw. My orthodontist when I got my braces, my doctor, my dentist, and everyone told me it was the right thing to do because I had too much gum in my smile and my jaw didn't align perfectly with itself. They said it would also help me with the pain I got, but it wound up not helping that at all. All it did was change my appearance and my insurance even labeled it as a plastic surgery. I couldn't eat for a month, had to learn how to talk again and eat again and move my mouth again.

 

Right now about 50% of men born in America get circumcised. I wouldn't be surprised if the plastic surgery statistic was the same.

[Velociraptor]

Well, I don't think there should be posters telling men to get circumcised on them.

 

Like I said, my opinion is neutral about it, so I don't think trying to force people to have a preference in either direction is right. I think its up to the individual and men who aren't circumcised shouldn't be made to feel bad about it.

 

And women do mutilate their bodies all the time to be beautiful. Plastic surgery is actually very common. I've gotten it myself and was pressured into it and endured a lot of pain because of it. It wasn't on my boobs or anything like that. It was on my jaw. My orthodontist when I got my braces, my doctor, my dentist, and everyone told me it was the right thing to do because I had too much gum in my smile and my jaw didn't align perfectly with itself. They said it would also help me with the pain I got, but it wound up not helping that at all. All it did was change my appearance and my insurance even labeled it as a plastic surgery. I couldn't eat for a month, had to learn how to talk again and eat again and move my mouth again.

 

Right now about 50% of men born in America get circumcised. I wouldn't be surprised if the plastic surgery statistic was the same.

 

The difference is most of those men get circumcised as small kids and have no say in the matter.

 

I don't think any woman get plastic surgery performed on them when they are small kids, thats when they are adults and can choose for themselves.

[Enchanted Girl]

The difference is most of those men get circumcised as small kids and have no say in the matter.

 

I don't think any woman get plastic surgery performed on them when they are small kids, thats when they are adults and can choose for themselves.

 

True, true. I don't like that part of circumcision.

 

I think they do it because supposedly it hurts less if its a newborn baby, but otherwise, that part of it makes zero sense.

[Art_Critic]

The difference is most of those men get circumcised as small kids and have no say in the matter.

 

My son had a say so.. thru me and my wife.. his parents..

His parents weighed all the facts/myths and issues with it and made an informed decision to have him cut.

The decision was not made lightly but it was made.

[oaks]

I don't think any woman get plastic surgery performed on them when they are small kids, thats when they are adults and can choose for themselves.

 

Closest I can think of is ear piercings in infants (which I happen to think is unnecessary and inappropriate).

[oaks]

I think they do it because supposedly it hurts less if its a newborn baby, but otherwise, that part of it makes zero sense.

 

I think that's only true because the baby hasn't learned any swear words yet.

[Velociraptor]

My son had a say so.. thru me and my wife.. his parents..

His parents weighed all the facts/myths and issues with it and made an informed decision to have him cut.

The decision was not made lightly but it was made.

 

In what way did he have a say if you made the decision to have him cut? He couldn't say No to it now could he?

 

What's the reason for getting small boys cut? Hygiene? Men in Europe are mostly doing fine and have no problem with hygiene. Religious? If so I can understand it you're Jewish/Muslim. But Christians in Europe don't get their small boys cut so why do Christians in America do it? Or was it to make sex less enjoyable and make masturbation more difficult(which was correct me if I'm wrong the original reason for circumcising boys before)?

[Art_Critic]

In what way did he have a say if you made the decision to have him cut?

 

He is a child.. as his parents we have to make all kinds of decisions for him..

 

It's called child raising.. they don't raise themselves and they don't get to decide what's best for themselves till they are grown and can actually do that.

 

Letting the child decide is just a cop out IMO.

If a parent doesn't want to their child cut then decide that and stick beside that decision but for a parent to not make a decision and say they can decide later.. well that isn't parenting IMO..

 

I'm happy with my/our decision..

While you may not be but you aren't raising my son either

[Velociraptor]

He is a child.. as his parents we have to make all kinds of decisions for him..

 

It's called child raising.. they don't raise themselves and they don't get to decide what's best for themselves till they are grown and can actually do that.

 

Letting the child decide is just a cop out IMO.

If a parent doesn't want to their child cut then decide that and stick beside that decision but for a parent to not make a decision and say they can decide later.. well that isn't parenting IMO..

 

I'm happy with my/our decision..

While you may not be but you aren't raising my son either

 

But whats the reason for cutting small boys then? Whats the advantages?

 

My reasoning is that if it's so terrible to be uncut then the boy can make that decision as an adult when he knows what it's like to be uncut and therefore can make a better decision.

 

No kids should't be able to decide everything, but theres a difference between deciding to have ice cream for dinner and having a permanent physical procedure done to your genitalia, big difference.

 

Offcourse parents should make desicions for their kids, but not decisions such as circumcisions which is a permanent physical change. Thats unfair to the child. And don't start comparing that with raising a child, that has nothing to do with rasing a child.

 

Cutting a small boy just seems so unnecessary if theres nothing physcially wrong with it, such as too much foreskin or something like that.

[Velociraptor]

It's called child raising.. they don't raise themselves and they don't get to decide what's best for themselves till they are grown and can actually do that.

 

And what if the boy as an adult decides he didn't want to be circumcised? Deciding to have a boy circumcised is a bit different that deciding when he should go to bed.

 

And Circumcising a boy has nothing to do with raising him. It doesn't affect who he is, it doesn't make him a better person which is what raising a child is all about.

[Enchanted Girl]

In what way did he have a say if you made the decision to have him cut? He couldn't say No to it now could he?

 

What's the reason for getting small boys cut? Hygiene? Men in Europe are mostly doing fine and have no problem with hygiene. Religious? If so I can understand it you're Jewish/Muslim. But Christians in Europe don't get their small boys cut so why do Christians in America do it? Or was it to make sex less enjoyable and make masturbation more difficult(which was correct me if I'm wrong the original reason for circumcising boys before)?

 

Seventh Day Adventists are a type of Christian who religiously believes that eating meat is wrong. Most other Christians disagree with them. Just because that is true, doesn't mean I think they should be forced to conform.

 

If Christians here religiously believe their son should be circumcised then its not wrong just because other Christians don't.

 

If its wrong, then its wrong because its wrong regardless of what other people believe.

[Jazzari]

He is a child.. as his parents we have to make all kinds of decisions for him..

 

It's called child raising.. they don't raise themselves and they don't get to decide what's best for themselves till they are grown and can actually do that.

 

Letting the child decide is just a cop out IMO.

If a parent doesn't want to their child cut then decide that and stick beside that decision but for a parent to not make a decision and say they can decide later.. well that isn't parenting IMO..

 

I'm happy with my/our decision..

While you may not be but you aren't raising my son either

The question isn't if YOU are happy with your decision. The question will be if you SON is happy. Taking such a personal and important decision away from him is dead wrong.

 

Mutilating a baby in a way they cannot reverse is not raising him. I imagine people would get pretty upset if someone decided to cut off a baby's pinky finger or something else they decided looked good. Saying its "good parenting" is the biggest cop out of all.

[oaks]

If Christians here religiously believe their son should be circumcised then its not wrong just because other Christians don't.

 

Is it a Christian teaching? (That's not a loaded question... I genuinely don't know.)

[Velociraptor]

The question isn't if YOU are happy with your decision. The question will be if you SON is happy. Taking such a personal and important decision away from him is dead wrong.

 

Mutilating a baby in a way they cannot reverse is not raising him. I imagine people would get pretty upset if someone decided to cut off a baby's pinky finger or something else they decided looked good. Saying its "good parenting" is the biggest cop out of all.

 

Great post. You worded it alot better than me but those are my exact thoughts aswell.

[LuckyLady13]

Could I be with an uncut man? Sure. I like clean guys though and ran into one or two who were cut but didn't think showers were real important for whatever reason. No thanks!

 

So, as long as he likes showers and being clean. Whether he's cut or not isn't even a question for me.

 

Some people say that uncut men aren't quite as clean but I've gotta say that those two cut guys who didn't shower much had a lot of nerve to think I'd get nekkid with them! Hmph!

[BiscuitXOXO]

No one has mentioned STI's or HIV/AIDS yet! Isn't there a lower rate of transfer of disease or something?

 

My friends who were circumcised at birth don't seem to care too much about their missing foreskin.

 

My cousin got circumcised when he was a teenager; it was his own decision, I'm not exactly sure why though. He walked funny for a month, even though I think he was exagerrating and wanting attention =3

 

Love the man not the d!ck.

 

Oh, and female genital cutting is TOTALLY different from circumcision. It's 1) harder to cut down there, so more mistakes are made, 2) the cultures that do so are usually not the most hygienic, and 3) the woman can derive NO pleasure from sex afterwards. That just kind of sucks.

[Velociraptor]

No one has mentioned STI's or HIV/AIDS yet! Isn't there a lower rate of transfer of disease or something?

 

Hmmm, well I'm not into gay sex and neither do I shoot drugs up my arm so no I don't think I'm more likely to get HIV/AIDS because I'm not cut... I've never even heard that before.

[Jazzari]

Oh, and female genital cutting is TOTALLY different from circumcision. It's 1) harder to cut down there, so more mistakes are made, 2) the cultures that do so are usually not the most hygienic, and 3) the woman can derive NO pleasure from sex afterwards. That just kind of sucks.

There are many types of female circumcision:

 

Type I

 

The WHO defines Type I FGM as the partial or total removal of the clitoris clitoridectomy and/or the prepuce clitoral hood. When it is important to distinguish between the variations of Type I cutting, the following subdivisions are proposed:

 

Type Ia, removal of the clitoral hood or prepuce only (which some view as analogous to male circumcision and thus more acceptable);

 

Type Ib, removal of the clitoris with the prepuce. In the context of women who seek out labiaplasty, there is disagreement among doctors as to whether to remove the clitoral hood in some cases to enhance sexuality or whether this is too likely to lead to scarring and other problems

 

Type II

 

The WHO's definition of Type II FGM is "partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora. When it is important to distinguish between the major variations that have been documented, the following subdivisions are proposed:

 

Type IIa, removal of the labia minora only;

 

Type IIb, partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora;

 

Type IIc, partial or total removal of the clitoris, the labia minora and the labia majora.

 

Type III: infibulation with excision

 

The WHO defines Type III FGM as narrowing of the vaginal orifice with creation of a covering seal by cutting and repositioning the labia minora and/or the labia majora, with or without excision of the clitoris. It is the most extensive form of FGM, and accounts for about 10% of all FGM procedures described from Africa.

[Enchanted Girl]

Is it a Christian teaching? (That's not a loaded question... I genuinely don't know.)

 

Yes and no. It's more something they argue over and it's kind of complicated to explain why.

 

Basically, Christianity has its roots in Judaism. Our old testament contains all the same texts that the entire Jewish Bible contains. The new testament changes some of those old Jewish laws (sort of, its hard to explain) and there's an argument (kind of) over whether that includes circumcision or not.

 

It's really a much more complicated thing than that but since I think its unnecessary to get into the entire theology of it (and it would bore you), then I'll leave it at that.

[oaks]

It's really a much more complicated thing than that but since I think its unnecessary to get into the entire theology of it (and it would bore you), then I'll leave it at that.

 

Thanks for the explanation! No, I would probably find it fascinating, but it's definitely off-topic for this thread (and entire forum).