Women, could you be with an uncircumcised man?

[elaina]

Surgies that are required for the health of the child are not considered abuse. There is no medical reason for circumcision.

 

To say that there is no medical reason for circumcision is not true. Please read what Mr. Cairo wrote as to why he and a friend and his dad were circumcised. The reasons are health related, and no they were not abuse. From what I understand (and please correct me Mr. Cairo if I'm wrong), male circumcision when young, preferably in a specific time period, is less painful/traumatic than when older. If you ask either a vet or a human doctor, both will tell you that in certain time periods of life, certain surgeries are easier.

 

 

You simply don't like the way the child looks, so you carve them up. I am more understanding of those who do it for religious beliefs though I don't agree.

Ok.

 

Personally, I prefer uncircumcised and I have no intention (right now) to consider circumcising if I have a baby boy, but I do get tired of people not respecting other peoples' beliefs. I have family members who are circumcised, who are Christian. I have friends who are Jewish Orthodox and friends who are Muslim. They are highly intelligent, caring, fun people who are just like everybody else, except circumcised. From what I've heard, most circumcised men experience pleasure and are healthy same as most uncircumcised men. Most men who are circumcised were while they were babies.

 

Wrong. Females do have a foreskin of sorts (called a hood or prepuce) on the clit. From my previous post that you obviously didn't bother to read: Type Ia circumcision is the removal of the clitoral hood or prepuce only (which some view as analogous to male circumcision and thus more acceptable).

I do not consider the clitoral hood to be a foreskin, though yes it is similar to a foreskin. I don't consider a clitoris to be a penis, though yes it's similar (in some ways)and for oral sex, if a man sucks gently on it (though it really depends on the woman), it feels awesome!!!

 

Anyways, men and women's genitals are obviously different, so any operations would of course be different.

 

Only removal of the clit hood is very rare and is not the main "circumcision" done on girls.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/

 

"Procedures Female genital mutilation is classified into four major types.

 

• Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, in very rare cases, only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris).
  
• Excision: partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (the labia are "the lips" that surround the vagina).
  
• Infibulation: narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the inner, or outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris.
  
• Other: all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g. pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area."
  

 

With that cleared up, do you think that this procedure is acceptable for girls?

No. Again, the genitals are different. They are not the same... obviously.

 

Cutting off a body part IS harm. I'm simply astounded people have a hard time understanding that. Is it ok to cut off a finger? Ear? Tip of the nose maybe? Where do you draw the line?

You didn't answer me concerning what you think of parents who decide for their child to have the tonsils removed. My parents decided that for me when I was a girl. I wasn't asked about it. However, the decision hasn't hurt me any (as far as I know...) I can still swallow, talk, ...

 

Cutting off a finger, ear, tip of the nose? First of all, please study how people have had circumcisions later on in life in order to help them with some medical condition. About cutting off an appendage, that's like castration, not circumcision. Circumcision is removal of skin, not removal of a complete body part. Nose, ears, finger, penis... all are not just skin and nerve tissue. (I am very much against castration, though some people suggest castrating pedophiles, which I understand.)

 

The "line" can be found by this question: "Can this part of the body function normally without this?" A hand has a harder time when missing a finger. A foot has a hard time balancing when missing a toe. However, a penis can function normally missing its foreskin. Most men who are circumcised still pee, get erections, have sex, and enjoy it, same as most uncircumcised men. About noses and ears, I suppose noses still smell without the outward nostrils and one can still hear without the outward ear, but it sure wouldn't look nice and I have never ever heard of a medical reason to cut off a nose or ear, and I have heard of medical reasons to remove a foreskin, tonsils, and so on (mostly from inside the body though.)

 

Anyways, I am very much against female circumcision, which I personally call mutilation. The main reason is because my brother-in-law's Mom is a nurse who went to Africa to help women suffering from vesicovaginal and ureterovaginal fistulas, due to their "circumcisions." As far as I know, most boys and men do not suffer humiliating and painful issues such as these after being circumcised? Again, I consider female circumcision to be mutilation. I do not consider male circumcision to be mutilation or part castration. However, I do understand why some people are against male circumcision, but there are most definitely men who are fine being circumcised, and it not abuse to circumcise a male infant when a knowledgeable doctor does it right. My brother-in-laws' family practiced male circumcision (all my nephews are circumcised) but very fiercely fought against female circumcision through educating the people while they were in Africa and helping with surgeries to fix medical issues that come with female circumcision.

 

My sister's mother-in-law, a nurse, did not consider it abuse to circumcise her boys as infants (who are now of course adults), and my sister, her daughter-in-law, also a nurse, does not consider it abuse to circumcise her boys. Both are wonderful, loving, intelligent women who are great mothers and love their children very much, and want the best for them!!! If they considered male circumcision abuse, they would not do it! However, both have studied in the medical field and consider it ok to have done to their baby boys, while they consider female circumcision to be not ok.

Edited April 16, 2011 by elaina

[elaina]

Well then, the majority of women must have a bad diet, don't exercise often, have low self-esteem, and don't take care of their health generally speaking because I haven't slept with most women and from getting them lubricated to offering several orgasms AND squirting orgasms at that, it took very little time.

 

 

I might be in the minority I don't know, but I get clitoral orgasms quickly and easily when it is done right Vaginal orgasms take a little longer time but are multiple most of the time too. Maybe I am weird... I wonder what WayneBrady thinks?

[MrNate]

Seems my prophecy came to fruition quicker than i thought

[Alma Mobley]

I am an American woman, so I have been with more cut than uncut, but I prefer uncut. There seems to be more sensitivity there, and I have never experienced any "smell" or other hygiene problems with an uncut man. My husband is cut, unfortunately, but I was adamant that our son would not be, so he is intact.

[oaks]

Mr.Cairo, you are a sex god.

[bac]

 

So you've slept with more women than me?

 

I have never slept with a woman because it is hard to find one and because I am a white female. BTW females especially young are wet almost all the time and it often has nothing to do with sex drive but it depends on their estrogens secretion.

If you are dating girls who are not white, I am not aware about their sex abilities. There might be differences in testosterone level. As for white females, they have low testosterone levels in their blood. BTW The testosterone is produced in the balls and the testosterone produces libido, erections and orgasms. The estrogens produce a drive for love/emotional attachment toward the only one man and desire to have babies.

[Knittress]

I don't care. I might slightly prefer uncut, but it's honestly the last thing on my mind.

[Velociraptor]

You can wash an uncut d....k but you should do it a few times per day and every day and also you should do it just a few minutes before sex if you want smell OK. It is a lot of work to do and most males can not handle so much work.

You do not do oral on yourself and your nose can not get close to your d....k. So, your understanding about the real smell is not the same as a female's understanding is.

 

I do wash it several times per day, morning, afternoon, evening. It's not really alot of work, I takes a minute or two for me to shower.

 

When I wash it obviously I have to touch it to pull the foreskin back and wash it and I don't feel any smell on fingers afterwards(which I also wash right afterwards)

[Velociraptor]

I suffered little to no pain. The doctor got me sleeping, and when I woke up I had a bandage over my genitals. I bled a little, but it was very softly, and the irritation(more than pain itself) went away after an hour. There was no complication during the surgery. I have no scar, I have no trouble having and keeping an erection. I don't have any self-esteem issues from lacking a foreskin, and I never had a penile infection in my life, not even an urinary infection.

 

Never had any problems down there, and I'm thankful for what my mother did. If I barely noticed any issues(pain, discomfort etc), do you people think that decades after that I look back at the operation and regret it?

 

No. I loved it. It allowed me to urinate(I couldn't do it before the operation, at least not as well as I can now), it allowed me to have erections without any pain, and better of all, I was so young that I was more than OK with a guy touching my junk.

 

Good luck with that, if the patient is 15 years old and needs to have it done. Never mind that the adolescent years are already hard, but to have men around your junk? No, thank you. My father had to have it done at the age of 20 and he tells me that it was an humiliating situation.

 

Also, the younger the kid when having it done, the quicker it heals and the less possible trauma. It took me a week or so to be able to go swimming, it my father a month to walk properly.

 

I honestly don't understand what the big deal, especially when women are against this from happening. I lived with this. Everyday I do it. I don't know of one man beyond the age of 30 with a foreskin and all of them have told me that they feel better without it, and have better results.

 

So why are so women so against it? I took vaccines as a kid. Its a precaution. It saves me from having to deal with problems in the future. Its a piece of skin covering a part of the penis. Its not like I'm losing an arm.

 

Maybe it lowers the sexual pleasure, but so what? I wouldn't want to risk bad situation just because having what created that bad situation might give me more pleasure.

 

I'm very thankfully that my mother and my father allowed me to undergo this removal. Are we reaching the point of not making sure that our children have all of the world's protection because 'its' wrong to remove something that can make him ill? How is it wrong?

 

Its impossible to compare female vasectomy with male vasectomy. I don't need the foreskin at all, but women need their hood, heck, they need everything down there. Don't touch it.

 

Come on, people, I've had more problems from a tooth than I've had with my circumcision.

 

It's different when you have to do it because of medical complications such as in your situation, for you it was an nessecity.

 

But it's not nessecary to cut small infant boys, theres no need to cut them unless they have a medical problem like you.

[Enchanted Girl]

nah bro, I ain't no sex God. What I am is a very lucky guy for never having met a woman who takes 30 minutes to get lubricated.

 

I'd rather play football than that, not that I don't enjoy foreplay, but 30 minutes is bloody weird.

 

We don't groom ourselves for fun, we do it because men aren't as attracted to us without you. You just think you are because you don't run into girls every day who don't. We all conform.

 

And men only go to the gym to get any woman they want. They absolutely don't have to. My boyfriend never goes to the gym and I don't nag him about it because I don't care. Most men I've met don't go to the gym and it doesn't actually prevent them from having sex (most of them are having it) unless they are excessively overweight or something.

 

As I've said, its all part of the competition among women for the best specimen. I've seen average guys going out with very obese women.The women weren't rich, and you're telling me that women must have this and must do that, to get male attention? From the best of male specimens, yes, but you have to understand that good looking guys also have to fight for the good looking women. So when you say that women do this and that, to get as much attention as the women who take care of themselves in this aspect get, its because she wants to compete for the vest best of mates.

 

Any woman with proper hygiene(not talking about Brazilian waxing, or shaving the armpits), can get a man. Men aren't creating a conspiracy to make only the most attractive/best dressed/groomed women the only women they sleep with.

 

I like pubic hair on a woman. it gets boring after seeing them down there without any hair, and many, many guys don't care about the hair, its just that the women take it all off to better compete with other women.

 

And how does that argue with my point that beauty is pain, women have known this for awhile and it was told to me repeatedly, and if men experience pain to be good-looking to the opposite sex, it isn't unusual? It doesn't and that was my point.

 

I also like how you claim its women doing that to other women and yet saying we can't get a good guy if we don't do it. XD Woot for contradictions.

 

Anyway, I also want to point out in general in this thread that I'm not so sure foreskin enhances pleasure. Maybe the guy I was with was weird, but the one uncut guy I was with seemed to hate his foreskin without realizing it. He kept telling me to pull it back whenever I did anything to him because he couldn't feel anything with it covering him. It was more like the foreskin was in the way of him feeling sensation, which was a bit annoying to have to deal with, always pulling it back and out of the way while at the same time doing whatever else he wanted.

[Eclypse]

Put it this way. When you are born, you are born as a whole. A lot of religions oppose contraception during sex, so why is this ok? It is removing a part of the body that you were born with that God gave you. God is meant to be perfect and modelling us on him. (note however that I'm not religious). If there is a medical reason for it, or if you want to do it for your own personal reasons once you're old enough then that's cool. It's your body you can do what you want with it.

 

But I have a BIG issue with parents who do it to their children who are just born and have no choice in the matter. Some women did mention pierced ears, shaving their vagina, plastic surgery etc. The big difference here is that those are all your choice. Your mum doesn't say "oh you look ugly, lets get that vagina waxed." Most girls I know had to beg their parents to let them get their ears pierced.

 

A child who is just born has no say in if they get circumcised. And frankly I think it's barbaric that you can decide to cut a part of them off. Simply wait until they are a bit older and then ask if they'd like it? It's not like many girls are going to be judging their penises at age 8....

 

Female circumcision has has come up a few times. I can tell you right now that if I said that I'd prefer to have sex with a woman who has been circumcised I would get flamed into oblivion (of course I DONT). There's no difference however. A part of the genitals is still getting cut off.

[Velociraptor]

Religions were created by primitive men to make sure that there'd be stability in the tribe. Then religion was maintained by the Elite because the people were superstitious.

 

People 'believe in 'God' because that's the religion of their fathers. 3000 years in Egypt they were venerating creatures, a mixture of cows with vultures, and they too had their illusions and their beliefs on what their 'gods' wanted or not them to do.

 

Foreskin is like finger nails. They aren't necessary anymore. Or are you of the belief that men shouldn't shave their faces because its part of them? or that they mustn't get a tooth removed even if they need to do it?

 

It's not necessary to cut it out either. Your situation is different because you had to do it. But do you think parents should do it to small infant boys when they have no say in the matter? If they want to do it they can choose it themselves when they're older.

 

Unless you have a physical problem like you had, it's a very unneccesary procedure. I haven't gotten one good reason why parents should do it to their boys.

[Eclypse]

Religions were created by primitive men to make sure that there'd be stability in the tribe. Then religion was maintained by the Elite because the people were superstitious.

 

People 'believe in 'God' because that's the religion of their fathers. 3000 years in Egypt they were venerating creatures, a mixture of cows with vultures, and they too had their illusions and their beliefs on what their 'gods' wanted or not them to do.

 

Foreskin is like finger nails. They aren't necessary anymore. Or are you of the belief that men shouldn't shave their faces because its part of them? or that they mustn't get a tooth removed even if they need to do it?

 

I'm about as atheist as they come man. One does need to bear in mind however that facial hair and finger nails grow back. Foreskin does not. Once it's gone its gone.

[Jazzari]

To say that there is no medical reason for circumcision is not true. Please read what Mr. Cairo wrote as to why he and a friend and his dad were circumcised. The reasons are health related, and no they were not abuse. From what I understand (and please correct me Mr. Cairo if I'm wrong), male circumcision when young, preferably in a specific time period, is less painful/traumatic than when older. If you ask either a vet or a human doctor, both will tell you that in certain time periods of life, certain surgeries are easier.

Obviously there are medical reasons for getting circumcised. There are medical reasons for having your gall bladder removed. But we don't do it at birth just because they MIGHT have a problem someday. You treat a problem, you don't just cut for the hell of it. The vast majority of circumcisions are done without medical cause.

 

 

Personally, I prefer uncircumcised and I have no intention (right now) to consider circumcising if I have a baby boy, but I do get tired of people not respecting other peoples' beliefs. I have family members who are circumcised, who are Christian. I have friends who are Jewish Orthodox and friends who are Muslim. They are highly intelligent, caring, fun people who are just like everybody else, except circumcised. From what I've heard, most circumcised men experience pleasure and are healthy same as most uncircumcised men. Most men who are circumcised were while they were babies.

Uh....I said I was more understanding of people who did it for religious reasons. No, I don't agree with it. I also don't agree with some other religious practices. Disagreement is not disrespecting another's beliefs.

 

 

No. Again, the genitals are different. They are not the same...

obviously.

Yes, I know they are different. So you think removing the clitoral hood is bad. Why?

 

You didn't answer me concerning what you think of parents who decide for their child to have the tonsils removed. My parents decided that for me when I was a girl. I wasn't asked about it. However, the decision hasn't hurt me any (as far as I know...) I can still swallow, talk

If it was done for a medical reason, then of course it was ok. My son has had medical problems that required surgery and obviously they were done. There is a big difference between surgery that is needed and elective surgery.

 

The "line" can be found by this question: "Can this part of the body

function normally without this?" A hand has a harder time when missing a finger. A foot has a hard time balancing when missing a toe. However, a penis can function normally missing its foreskin. Most men who are circumcised still pee, get erections, have sex, and enjoy it, same as most uncircumcised men. About noses and ears, I suppose noses still smell without the outward nostrils and one can still hear without the outward ear, but it sure wouldn't look nice and I have never ever heard of a medical reason to cut off a nose or ear, and I have heard of medical reasons to remove a foreskin, tonsils, and so on (mostly from inside the body though.)

There are many parts of the body that can be removed and function normally. Gall bladder, apendix, tonsils etc. We don't take them out unless there is a problem. And then there are other types of body changes that can be done - piercings, scarring, tats. Some cultures have bound feet, flattened heads, elongated necks, etc. All in the name of beauty. And all barbaric.

[Jazzari]

Foreskin is like finger nails. They aren't necessary anymore. Or are you of the belief that men shouldn't shave their faces because its part of them? or that they mustn't get a tooth removed even if they need to do it?

Ahahahahahahaha!! Ask any man if there is any difference between getting his fingernails trimmed or getting his junk cut, and I think you will get a different opinion.

 

Fingernails and hair are not living tissue. The foreskin is.

[jane100]

circumcision is completely unnecessary and it is arguably abusive to do that to a child.

 

i prefer uncircumcised.

 

i used to have a jewish b/f who used to have nightmares about it and i am sorry it happened to him.

[MissJoness]

I do wash it several times per day, morning, afternoon, evening. It's not really alot of work, I takes a minute or two for me to shower.

 

When I wash it obviously I have to touch it to pull the foreskin back and wash it and I don't feel any smell on fingers afterwards(which I also wash right afterwards)

Most dudes are not gonna wash themselves down there several times a day especially if they have a job. How are you going to do that if you are at work for 8-10 hours a day? You shoulnd't have to being scrubbing yourself all day just to stay fresh...get the skin cut off. I say all men should be circumcised because he will develop a bad reputation for having a smelly penis and that rep is hard to shake...

[MissJoness]

What? Nope, it doesn't take 30 minutes of foreplay. It takes minutes, if not seconds, if the guy knows what he's doing and if the woman is in her sexual prime. I can't believe that men are so bad in sex that now its believed women take 30 minutes of foreplay to be aroused enough, to have sex. Nah, from kissing alone I can make a woman lubricated, from foreplay, I can make her orgasm, and she orgasms plenty and often. One time, just with foreplay(and she was fully clothed), she had 3 orgasms.

 

Her body told me so and her clothes told me so. Those statistics must come from women with a poor diet, with poor self-esteem, or in their 40's or something. I can't comment on women older than 25 because I'm not interested in them, but by god, women aged 18-24 are quite capable of having an orgasm as fast as a man(and trust me, plenty of guys only last minutes).

 

Jesus Christ, no wonder so many women go to the shrink, with guys being so bad in bed, many of you are sexually frustrated to the hilt!

 

How old are you? and what's wrong w/ women over 25?

[jane100]

Most dudes are not gonna wash themselves down there several times a day especially if they have a job. How are you going to do that if you are at work for 8-10 hours a day? You shoulnd't have to being scrubbing yourself all day just to stay fresh...get the skin cut off. I say all men should be circumcised because he will develop a bad reputation for having a smelly penis and that rep is hard to shake...

 

 

its a normal, natural smell. i don't have a problem with it as a woman. we are all animals, after all.

[MissJoness]

its a normal, natural smell. i don't have a problem with it as a woman. we are all animals, after all.

It stinks though. I cannot tolerate nor respect a man who smells bad down there no matter how normal or natural it is to others.

[jane100]

It stinks though. I cannot tolerate nor respect a man who smells bad down there no matter how normal or natural it is to others.

 

 

I am sorry i don't find a normal, uncircumcised, clean man to smell, on the contrary. it doesn't "stink" in any way, its absolutely fine. i find it part of our sweet, human smell. i think the problem is yours to be honest.

 

some men find the same about women but that is there problem too IMO.

[Velociraptor]

Most dudes are not gonna wash themselves down there several times a day especially if they have a job. How are you going to do that if you are at work for 8-10 hours a day? You shoulnd't have to being scrubbing yourself all day just to stay fresh...get the skin cut off. I say all men should be circumcised because he will develop a bad reputation for having a smelly penis and that rep is hard to shake...

 

Why? It's only you American women who think uncircumcised men are disgusting.

 

In Europe(atleats where I am) I doub't most young women even know exactly what a circumcision is.

[MissJoness]

I am sorry i don't find a normal, uncircumcised, clean man to smell, on the contrary. it doesn't "stink" in any way, its absolutely fine. i find it part of our sweet, human smell. i think the problem is yours to be honest.

 

some men find the same about women but that is there problem too IMO.

He shouldn't smell like anything down there. And if he does, it should smell of cologne or baby powder.

 

As for me, I always use body sprays, baby powder and lotion on my vagina, it always smells like Victoria Secret down there. When my mother taught me good hygiene she told me to always use baby powder and other sweet scents to stay clean & fresh. I do not stink down there.

[betterdeal]

I had phimosis and frenulum breve from puberty. This made erections painful. I blocked out the pain by not having full erections. I wanked by lying on my front and rubbing against the sheets. This worsened the phimosis as did using my foreskin to capture the spunk when I would cum.

 

At 23 I lost my virginity. Within a month, and lots of great sex, I split my foreskin during drunken sex. I went to A&E the next day and had 8 stitches. I was embarrassed and used a false name.

 

Since then, until last year, I basically avoided sex. But the urge and desire was still there. I had mentally blocked out the problem, but was still attracted to women. I suffered premature ejaculations and very low self-esteem. My erections were more often than not, semi-limp.

 

This combination of pain when excited and shame at my own shortcomings made me very angry inside. I never blamed anyone else, but I went from one dysfunctional relationship to the next. I can easily imagine how hopelessly frustrating it must have been for a number of women to be emotionally, socially, mentally and physically with me, but for me to avoid sex.

 

I was dying inside. Why was sex such a big deal to me? I had enjoyed it when I was twenty-three, and I have a liberal, loving attitude to it, but I kept missing the cues, the prompts, the handing on a plate marked "let's have sex". I couldn't work it out. Why did I keep missing the opportunity?

 

Last year I tried to kill myself after having an extremely abusive relationship with someone who also had lots of unresolved issues. After that, and three weeks on a mental health ward, I tried lots of things to get to the root of my unhappiness. By this point, I had not had an erection is about 4 months.

 

I struck lucky with a therapist who is half Dutch, a mother of four, and a very good artist who specialises in scenes of love making and the nude form. Her open yet respectful attitude to sex was just what I needed - someone who was comfortable with it and stable at the same time.

 

We tried hypnotherapy to help me let out whatever pain and fear I had locked away, as that was what was holding me back.

 

Shortly after that session, I took some Viagra, lay on my back, watched some porn and just relaxed. I got an amazing erection. The hardest I had ever had. I was then that I

came to terms with having a foreskin that was too tight.

 

A couple of months later, I saw a urologist who diagnosed phimosis and a lot of scar tissue in the frenulum. I was circumcised a month after that.

 

I am a much, much happier person now because of that simple operation. Since then, having spoken to many people about it, it's become apparent to me that many angry, unstable men also have phimosis. My cousins' ex-husband being a prime example. A man who has excelled in this career, yet gambled himself into tens of thousands in debt, who projects his car crash love life problems onto any woman who gets close to him (and as they are a trigger for a confusing and scary pain, it makes it understandable that he gets angry at them, even though the cause is not them).

 

All the counselling and restraining orders in the world are not going to give him the peace and love he's looking for. A simple operation is what will do that. It's a pity that men's health is such a taboo subject in society and with men especially that we end up with so many hurt, angry, miserable men who end up hurting so many other people when a simple operation to remove some skin can end their pain.

[MissJoness]

Why? It's only you American women who think uncircumcised men are disgusting.

 

In Europe(atleats where I am) I doub't most young women even know exactly what a circumcision is.

 

Europeans and British are known to have bad breath, and musty underarms. In some countries, being funky is considered the norm, some places they don't even wear deodorant-- but in America we cannot stand any type of body odor, it's absolutely offensive and can make you a social outcast. That is just how it is. And I love men who smell good, and I expect him to have a clean, circumcised fresh smelling penis too