Speaking of strip clubs... (Q for other women)

[starryeyed12]

DOT- I do agree that we have formed our sexual tendancies due in part to nature and in part to nurture (or our environment and society views as well).

 

I think that your sexuality is what it is at this time-- along with everyone else.

 

But I still think that even your own sexuality could be pushed and explored further. We are not rigid and unchanging.

 

When we become rigid and unchanging we cut ourselves off and risk becoming repressed.

[xxoo]

I don't associate the term "junk" with a sexy thing, and in the context of your comment, I don't think you did either.

 

Look at that last bolded sentence. Why must it always be the woman showing submissiveness to the man to turn you on?

 

The study from the article shows that we women clearly have more complex sexuality to us than some of us even care to admit.

 

I hate to say this....but look at your avitar as well. It's a faceless housewife vacuuming-- an era gone by more and more by the day.

 

Please don't take too much offense to this. I promise you that I much, much more often than not respect your posts and view points. I think you bring a lot of knowledge, wisdom, and acceptance to people's questions. Sometimes it's just plain refeshing to read.

 

In this case, I just don't find it to be.

 

I openly revel in the 50s housewife-type persona, with my H who treats me like absolute treasure. I didn't step into this marriage feeling this was the best way to express my sexuality. We've done a lot of exploring and growing together, and I've grown into that "role" (truth is I do work....this is more a fantasy thing for me than reality, lol!) over many years of marriage.

 

For me, this acceptance of my own sexuality that has opened the door to pure sexual abandon.

 

While I am personally old-fashioned in this way (and other ways), I am socially very liberal. I don't believe that ANY woman should be confined to my sexuality! But I also do not beleive that my pleasure is wrong, or repressed.

 

My question is--does sexual liberation require that we are turned on by certain things? Or is sexual liberation the freedom to accept and deeply explore our own authentic sexuality?

 

And I don't take offense. I love exploring these ideas.

[starryeyed12]

That is a subjective guess. I would think the opposite in some ways, if there was one woman in a room full of guys commanding sexual arousal and she could basically have her pick, that in evolutionary terms is power.

 

True. But you're also assuming that she is going to take her pick of men and command their arousal. She didn't really say. All that was indicated was that her idea of a sexy strip club for women is one where she does the stripping for the men.

 

There have been several posts which show the trend of women being the sole provider sex appeal and them platying a more submissive role. Also the nude male body not being arousing (except when with a loving male partner).

[dreamingoftigers]

DOT- I do agree that we have formed our sexual tendancies due in part to nature and in part to nurture (or our environment and society views as well).

 

I think that your sexuality is what it is at this time-- along with everyone else.

 

But I still think that even your own sexuality could be pushed and explored further. We are not rigid and unchanging.

 

When we become rigid and unchanging we cut ourselves off and risk becoming repressed.

 

Conversely though, exploring what we are is just fine.

 

I don't think I want to start getting aroused by pantyhose or anything.

 

My point simply was (and I know that it got very lost in a large topic of sexuality) that my template and scripting is fairly set and doesn't involve male submission or even really much to do with male visuals.

 

In fact, if I were to have some random sexual partner fantasies, I would have older men, younger men, even conventionally unattractive or fat men. My template is not super-set to the physical appearance but to certain verbal and touch stimulations.

 

I don't consider myself repressed by any stretch. I have no desire for certain sexual things and I don't see that changing. I am aware that the brain in neurally plastic and I could reshape my brain to be aroused by parakeets if so needed (weird but true). I just don't see the necessity of changing a rather sucessful formula to ensure my "non-repression."

 

Unless I missed something you were getting at.

 

Another one of my points is that xxoo's template may have incredibly little to do with a societal stance at the time of her early sexuality. It is entirely likely and possible that her template has shifted up as she has changed as a person. It doesn't mean that the Backstreet Boys et al. must be part of that template or she exhibits signs of "repression."

 

It might just mean that to her they are icky. Just like they are to me.

[starryeyed12]

Conversely though, exploring what we are is just fine.

 

I don't think I want to start getting aroused by pantyhose or anything.

 

My point simply was (and I know that it got very lost in a large topic of sexuality) that my template and scripting is fairly set and doesn't involve male submission or even really much to do with male visuals.

 

In fact, if I were to have some random sexual partner fantasies, I would have older men, younger men, even conventionally unattractive or fat men. My template is not super-set to the physical appearance but to certain verbal and touch stimulations.

 

I don't consider myself repressed by any stretch. I have no desire for certain sexual things and I don't see that changing. I am aware that the brain in neurally plastic and I could reshape my brain to be aroused by parakeets if so needed (weird but true). I just don't see the necessity of changing a rather sucessful formula to ensure my "non-repression."

 

Unless I missed something you were getting at.

 

Another one of my points is that xxoo's template may have incredibly little to do with a societal stance at the time of her early sexuality. It is entirely likely and possible that her template has shifted up as she has changed as a person. It doesn't mean that the Backstreet Boys et al. must be part of that template or she exhibits signs of "repression."

 

It might just mean that to her they are icky. Just like they are to me.

 

Lol the paraket part makes me laugh bc I saw a show about peoples weird sexual obessions. One man had a fetish for balloons.

 

Anyway, I do believe that you have set your preferences, but what I was trying to say was that they can be altered if you really wanted to, though in some cases you would have to work very hard at it.

 

The older we get the less plastic our brains become. Young children can be fluent in 5 languages, while adults can struggle learning one. In older people, our neuro pathways have been travelled in the same direction for so long that they become ingrained pathways--harder to change your ways.

 

It would be interesting to know how old the women were in the study.

 

And XXOO, I think I believe that sexual liberation is the freedom to accept and deeply explore our own authentic sexuality. To try not to let age or societial norms inhibit this freedom.

[dreamingoftigers]

Lol the paraket part makes me laugh bc I saw a show about peoples weird sexual obessions. One man had a fetish for balloons.

 

Anyway, I do believe that you have set your preferences, but what I was trying to say was that they can be altered if you really wanted to, though in some cases you would have to work very hard at it.

 

The older we get the less plastic our brains become. Young children can be fluent in 5 languages, while adults can struggle learning one. In older people, our neuro pathways have been travelled in the same direction for so long that they become ingrained pathways--harder to change your ways.

 

It would be interesting to know how old the women were in the study.

 

And XXOO, I think I believe that sexual liberation is the freedom to accept and deeply explore our own authentic sexuality. To try not to let age or societial norms inhibit this freedom.

 

My one friend worked at a specialty balloon and gift shop in England, apparently there were "regulars" who ordered specific types of balloons and quantities etc. And it was kind of a known thing.

 

I am petrified about my h's porn abuse. I know that rewriting that template is very painstaking and the time that he put into porn works against me as well.

[starryeyed12]

I'd also like to know you ladies opionions on why the male strip club, which is intended to be sexy, is so blatantly unsexy to the majority of women?

 

If someone cashed in on that idea at one time, why have they not tried recreate one that is actually based on what women want?

 

Not enough interest perhapse? Not enough ideas on how to provide that kind of pleasure to women? Or because of a social norm that women's role in society is to not be consumed by their sexual urges and to put the sexual needs of men before their own?

[dreamingoftigers]

I'd also like to know you ladies opionions on why the male strip club, which is intended to be sexy, is so blatantly unsexy to the majority of women?

 

If someone cashed in on that idea at one time, why have they not tried recreate one that is actually based on what women want?

 

Not enough interest perhapse? Not enough ideas on how to provide that kind of pleasure to women? Or because of a social norm that women's role in society is to not be consumed by their sexual urges and to put the sexual needs of men before their own?

 

I think that maybe women don't have the same public pursuance of men as men do of women. I would fee very uncomfortable and embarassed walking into a facility to watch a man in public with others present. The whole idea isn't arousing and it is also embarassing.

 

I don't think it is because "society shamed me" into being that way either. I just don't find being sexual in front of others comfortable and I do think that that is part of my natural template. I wonder if other women are the same. I suspect so for the most part, that would be why there is a feeling (at least for me) that I when I have seen porn or heard about strip clubs that a woman standing so openly to sexual stuff has something broken going on inside her.

[starryeyed12]

Interesting theory. And I do agree to an extent. I think thats why strippers have such a negative sterotype too.

 

Today what society portrays may have taken a turn in the opposite direction-- shame and bashfullness to shameless. It seems like sexual preferences for men and women are becoming more open and at a younger age than they were even 25 years ago. I have heard of kids in Jr. High and HS participating in gang bangs, threesomes, and, on a lesser note than that, sexting. A lot of times we hear about it being girls sending out pictures, but now its emerging that guys are sending DPs or "dick pics" to girls. There seems to be a plethra of porn with teens and younger participating--gay, lesbian, and hetero. They don't seem to be too shy at all. Not that this can speak for all, nor is it accepted by all of society. But it continues nonetheless and at alarming rates considering.

 

Things like this make me believe that society does play big role in moulding our sexuality. Without access to things like the Internet, I don't think we would have such a prevelances of this trend. It makes you wonder what the future will hold in this reguard.

Edited April 27, 2011 by starryeyed12

[xxoo]

I'd also like to know you ladies opionions on why the male strip club, which is intended to be sexy, is so blatantly unsexy to the majority of women?

 

If someone cashed in on that idea at one time, why have they not tried recreate one that is actually based on what women want?

 

Not enough interest perhapse? Not enough ideas on how to provide that kind of pleasure to women? Or because of a social norm that women's role in society is to not be consumed by their sexual urges and to put the sexual needs of men before their own?

 

I think there are a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that women generally don't have to pay for sex, or a man's attention. Why would I pay for what I can get for free at any random bar, not even paying for drinks?

 

Also, I think the "product" is very difficult to market because, as others have said above, women want so many different things.

 

What are your ideas for such a place? What would they do, offer?

 

Interesting theory. And I do agree to an extent. I think thats why strippers have such a negative sterotype too.

 

Today what society portrays may have taken a turn in the opposite direction-- shame and bashfullness to shameless. It seems like sexual preferences for men and women are becoming more open and at a younger age than they were even 25 years ago. I have heard of kids in Jr. High and HS participating in gang bangs, threesomes, and, on a lesser note than that, sexting. A lot of times we hear about it being girls sending out pictures, but now its emerging that guys are sending DPs or "dick pics" to girls. There seems to be a plethra of porn with teens and younger participating--gay, lesbian, and hetero. They don't seem to be too shy at all. Not that this can speak for all, nor is it accepted by all of society. But it continues nonetheless and at alarming rates considering.

 

Things like this make me believe that society does play big role in moulding our sexuality. Without access to things like the Internet, I don't think we would have such a prevelances of this trend. It makes you wonder what the future will hold in this reguard.

 

It will be telling to see how these adolescents grow and change as they reach adulthood. Adolescence is a time for exploring, trying things, and finding what is right for each of us. I know that I tried on a lot of "roles"--many that were exciting in the moment--before finding my own path to deep satisfaction. That doesn't mean we stop exploring, but rather that there is more wisdom in choosing future paths.

[starryeyed12]

I think there are a lot of reasons, not the least of which being that women generally don't have to pay for sex, or a man's attention. Why would I pay for what I can get for free at any random bar, not even paying for drinks?

 

Also, I think the "product" is very difficult to market because, as others have said above, women want so many different things.

 

What are your ideas for such a place? What would they do, offer?

 

I tend to agree. But I'm not talking about men having sex with the women.

 

Yes, women can go to a bar and have some drunk dude buy them a drink or want to sleep with them any night. But not every woman can have an experience with a man who has the physical features that they thus far have only dreamt about being with, in a situation or setting to match. The guys would be hot and come in all shapes, sizes, and types. Similar to the female strip clubs having a variety of women for the men. For some of the men who go to these clubs, the strippers are the most physically beautiful women they have ever had that type of experience with. Of course it depends on the area and the man, but you know what I mean. We want to create that fantasy for women. That's about the only aspect that would be similar with the female club.

 

The rest would depend on finding out what women like and what turns them on and could be done within legal. Maybe there would be beautiful women there too. From that study that DOT posted about women's sexuality, it seems it could go either way.

 

I can't give all the specifics, but I just think that it could be done and there could, in time, be a female customer if it was done right.

 

Do I think it actually will? Not any time soon. Not until places like Vegas want to get creative and want to find a way to make even more money on that kind of industry than they already are. There's a lot of freaks out there though!

 

 

I agree adolecents and young teens are always going to explore, but I think its gotten a little more extreme. Their's would be the most likely generation I could more see taking to an idea like club for women.

[Entropy3000]

All of above are VERY good points!

 

In a loving, mature relationship, all of this is just "noise" of the miserable masses in society. Just my perspective: if we all get busy making our own bliss at home, we will have less time and money to feed the trash media--and it will starve

 

Plant me firmly on the side of less "tit for tat" (pun intended ), and more respect for the our partners and ourselves.

 

Thank you. Seriously. The proverbial breath of fresh air.

[Entropy3000]

It's funny how some people keep repeating the same point over and over again.

 

The point made from the beginning post was--> Male Strip Clubs = UNsexy. We get it and we agree!

 

The issue the OP brought up is why is something that is INTENDED to turn on women done in such a hokey, cheesy, unsexy way?? It's very odd, and a very interesting point that seems to have been swept under the rug.

 

Sexual clubs for women--lets not even call them strip clubs bc that is obviously throwing people off the point--could be a possibilty. And why the hell not? If some entrepreneur took the time to reasearch what would the tiniest aspects of sex and male sexuality turn on a women (within the means of legal), maybe we could come up with a place that is for women to "blow off steam" and have some fun. We have some ideas of what turns on women, but there is more to explore.

 

Sexual pleasure is created in the MIND. We know very little about the human brain in terms of what it can do and does. There are may secrets left about the brain. It's been called one of the final frontiers of science. So, we're sitting here trying to pretend we all know about what women and men want and how we operate, when in truth we know sh*t and that sh*t could be one study away from changing. It's not black and white.

 

Sex clubs for women are not about evening the score, pyroguy, its about have an equal place of pleasure. It's about why the hell not?

 

As for all this insecure men issue, yes it can be quite obvious when men get insecure and of course they do. They are human aren't they!? I daresay their egos can be more delicate than a womans. But at the same time it is still very much a "man's" world.

 

Look at all the women posters who don't even think that a naked man is sexy! Why is this? Are they gay?? How do they get off from sex with a naked man? By pretending it's a woman every time? Or is the only way they can find pleasure from a man is when they have deep loving sex from their husbands? Bc thats the only time a man is sexy, right? It's rather odd, when you think about it.

 

If women were the only true sexual beings then you would think by now we women would all be raging lesbians with all the female sex objects out there (and the media loves getting women on that bandwagon these days, but whatev). Yet, we still have strong desires to get railed by those unsexy male penises. Hmmm, we must be walking, talking contradictions. That's it.

 

With decades of brainwashing from powerful sources its no wonder we women are contradictions. We're turned on by sex with a man, but we are constantly told another--that they aren't the sexy ones.

 

Someone actually said that they would be more turned on by a guy in a t shirt and jeans than naked. To me that says you have been programed to associate man in jeans as sexy bc thats about all the sexiness we get from men in films, tv, magazines. If we were bombarded with beautiful, masculine naked men all day, maybe we would think otherwise. But who controls the media in nearly all facets? Oh. A man.

 

For me it would be less about insecurity as it would be about being disrespected. Maybe more importantly to me it would be about my wife having less respect for herself. That devalues the person I care about most. It is a double whammy. Insecure? ... Not. I would not be concerned so much with the visual. Woman can be very sensual and therefore for me it would be more a problem over any physical contact.

 

So to that end I would be more concerned about a wife who wanted to go clubbing than one who wanted to "see" a stripper. Am I wrong in stating that this is really the equivalent for women? Being in a club situation where they are hit on and can have contact and converstion with men? I would think that would be potentially more seductive.

Edited April 28, 2011 by Entropy3000

[Entropy3000]

I don't associate the term "junk" with a sexy thing, and in the context of your comment, I don't think you did either.

 

Look at that last bolded sentence. Why must it always be the woman showing submissiveness to the man to turn you on?

 

The study from the article shows that we women clearly have more complex sexuality to us than some of us even care to admit.

 

I hate to say this....but look at your avitar as well. It's a faceless housewife vacuuming-- an era gone by more and more by the day.

 

Please don't take too much offense to this. I promise you that I much, much more often than not respect your posts and view points. I think you bring a lot of knowledge, wisdom, and acceptance to people's questions. Sometimes it's just plain refeshing to read.

 

In this case, I just don't find it to be.

 

Are we really sure the stripper is the submissive one? Male or Female? I don't think that is always the case.

[dreamingoftigers]

So to that end I would be more concerned about a wife who wanted to go clubbing than one who wanted to "see" a stripper. Am I wrong in stating that this is really the equivalent for women? Being in a club situation where they are hit on and can have contact and converstion with men? I would think that would be potentially more seductive.

 

I think that it is entirely the opposite for us.

[Entropy3000]

I think that it is entirely the opposite for us.

 

Are you saying that women would find the clubbing less seductive or are you saying that women would be more concerned if their man went to a strip show?

[snug.bunny]

I think the major difference between male versus female - with regard to visual stimulation - is that women view visual stimulation more so from a fantasy standpoint. That's why you will see, in male revues, the men in various costumes and in various settings.

 

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfTdN3ShzqE

 

For men, I think they focus more on the specific details of a woman VERSUS the personal or emotional characteristics of their fantasized partner.

 

It's noted - that because men lust - their fantasies often de-personalize the women to a sex object and therefore usually focus more on the sex organs, sexual acts, and the physical attributes of the woman.

[dreamingoftigers]

Are you saying that women would find the clubbing less seductive or are you saying that women would be more concerned if their man went to a strip show?

 

I am saying that I would rather my guy go clubbing then to a strip club. I find the strip club "visuals" more threatening.

[starryeyed12]

For me it would be less about insecurity as it would be about being disrespected.

 

Maybe more importantly to me it would be about my wife having less respect for herself. That devalues the person I care about most. It is a double whammy. Insecure? ... Not. I would not be concerned so much with the visual. Woman can be very sensual and therefore for me it would be more a problem over any physical contact.

 

So to that end I would be more concerned about a wife who wanted to go clubbing than one who wanted to "see" a stripper. Am I wrong in stating that this is really the equivalent for women? Being in a club situation where they are hit on and can have contact and converstion with men? I would think that would be potentially more seductive.

 

Really the whole point of this has nothing to do with whether men would like it or not. It has to do with whether women would like it. Could women ever like it? In reality, sure they would take in to account their partner and maybe not even consider going. But we aren't talking about those women. We are imagining what it would be like for women who could be open to it. And according to some studies, it does seem like women have some other aspects of their sexuality to explore. I mean the women in the study were lying when they rated a low turn on when watching women/women and men/men scenarios. They rated it low on paper, but their vaginal secretions said very much otherwise. Why lie about being turned on? Because it's not socially acceptable?

 

It's interesting that you bring up the issue of respect in terms of strip clubs or sexual clubs for women. Do you then find it disrespectful for a man to go to a strip club? Would you be devaluing yourself to your partner if you went to one?

[Entropy3000]

Really the whole point of this has nothing to do with whether men would like it or not. It has to do with whether women would like it. Could women ever like it? In reality, sure they would take in to account their partner and maybe not even consider going. But we aren't talking about those women. We are imagining what it would be like for women who could be open to it. And according to some studies, it does seem like women have some other aspects of their sexuality to explore. I mean the women in the study were lying when they rated a low turn on when watching women/women and men/men scenarios. They rated it low on paper, but their vaginal secretions said very much otherwise. Why lie about being turned on? Because it's not socially acceptable?

 

It's interesting that you bring up the issue of respect in terms of strip clubs or sexual clubs for women. Do you then find it disrespectful for a man to go to a strip club? Would you be devaluing yourself to your partner if you went to one?

 

I totally get your premise. Frankly this is the most meaningful discussion I have ever seen on this subject. So I am genuinely fascinated.

 

I do admit to a view of this from my personal perspective of being in a relationship and measure the "seductiveness" based on what may be more tempting to a SO and cause them to slip boundaries.

Put themselves into a more vulnerable mindset. I know this view is not the premise for the discussion. Not trying to hijack. Just wanting to understand. So I can roll with your train of thought and throttle the easy road down the "yeah but that would be cheating" thing. I know. Not the point.

 

I don't mind saying that I find female strip clubs a waste and kinda sad from many perspectives let alone disrespectful for those in a commited relationship. Fine if one wants to admire a nice looking body but sorry I can't help but see negativity in the life style. And being popular at a strip club is not exactly an accomplishment. I know that is not very open minded. But it is me.

 

I enjoyed strip clubs when I was twenty as an unattached navy guy. It was part of the whole genre. No doubt I was a tad less mature. I would not enjoy a strip club even if I were single now. I honestly have moved past that. I need more. There are more interesting choices in life. I think my feelings on this changed back then when I would stand shore patrol duty in the clubs where the hookers gathered. Hey, they sent me there to help keep things from getting out of hand.

[starryeyed12]

Are we really sure the stripper is the submissive one? Male or Female? I don't think that is always the case.

 

Here's my take: The woman may sometimes seem to have the power on the surface because the men are throwing them their money for merely exposing their body and such.

 

But how much power does that really give the woman in the strip club scenario? She is the one dependant on that man to come in and pay for her body. In many cases she is basing her lively hood off that man coming in to see her and give her his money. No man= no pay check. The man could find his wife, gf, or sometimes just another random women to actually have sex with for free, but he chooses to come for the experience, the variety, the women.

 

One another note, the woman is the one who is exposing herself naked before a room of horny men. You could try to argue that she gets to take her pick of those men and thats power, but in truth that is not the case. They choose what girl they like and want to spend money on, and she waits to be chosen or has to be accepted by a man.

 

Also, in a female strip club, if there were no bouncers and security, there would be MANY rape scenarios going on. How is that power for the woman that she needs protection, by a man no less, from the men she is trying to serve?

Edited April 28, 2011 by starryeyed12

[Entropy3000]

Here's my take: The woman may sometimes seem to have the power on the surface because the men are throwing them their money for merely exposing their body and such.

 

But how much power does that really give the woman in the strip club scenario? She is the one dependant on that man to come in and pay for her body. In many cases she is basing her lively hood off that man coming in to see her and give her his money. No man= no pay check. The man could find his wife, gf, or sometimes just another random women to actually have sex with for free, but he chooses to come for the experience, the variety, the women.

 

One another note, the woman is the one who is exposing herself naked before a room of horny men. You could try to argue that she gets to take her pick of those men and thats power, but in truth that is not the case. They choose what girl they like and want to spend money on, and she waits to be chosen.

 

Also, in a female strip club, if there were no bouncers and security, there would be MANY rape scenarios going on. How is that power for the woman that she needs protection, by a man no less, from the men she is trying to serve?

 

Good points. I guess I see many of the men as kind of pitiful in their own right but I see your point of view. And maybe you point out another reason this does not interest me. I find a woman I can respect infinitely more exciting. I can only compartmentalize this so far. I find the female form as exciting as the next guy. Maybe more so.

 

I was probably seeing the male strippers being in a position of power. More so than this. No? My assumption is that some good portion of them are really getting off on this power trip and see the women as a conquest. Especially those with wedding rings. Again I digress and admit I have tunnel vision here.

Edited April 28, 2011 by Entropy3000

[starryeyed12]

Btw, I think the submissiveness of the stripper is part of the appeal for men and strip clubs. Outside those walls, many of these women would never even touch 99% of the men they serve--let alone for free.

 

But here is a situation where there are no games for the sexual scenario, no rejection, no matter that he is a beast and she is a beauty. She will bare herself naked and arouse him anyway, all he has to do is throw some money her way.

 

She puts a price tag on her sexuality and her body for any man to purchase.

 

Essentially then men in the male club would be doing the same for the women they serve. Some women might be attracted to having that power over a sexy man for a merely dollar amount. Some women like to dominate and could have fun with the idea.

 

Is it wrong? Is it fair? Is it healthy? All debatable. What is not debable is the fact that it exists in our society reguardless--at least for men.

[Entropy3000]

Btw, I think the submissiveness of the stripper is part of the appeal for men and strip clubs. Outside those walls, many of these women would never even touch 99% of the men they serve--let alone for free.

 

But here is a situation where there are no games for the sexual scenario, no rejection, no matter that he is a beast and she is a beauty. She will bare herself naked and arouse him anyway, all he has to do is throw some money her way.

 

She puts a price tag on her sexuality and her body for any man to purchase.

 

Essentially then men in the male club would be doing the same for the women they serve. Some women might be attracted to having that power over a sexy man for a merely dollar amount. Some women like to dominate and could have fun with the idea.

 

Is it wrong? Is it fair? Is it healthy? All debatable. What is not debable is the fact that it exists in our society reguardless--at least for men.

 

Does this not exist at all? Fantasy? Enjoy ....

Edited April 28, 2011 by Entropy3000

[xxoo]

. And according to some studies, it does seem like women have some other aspects of their sexuality to explore. I mean the women in the study were lying when they rated a low turn on when watching women/women and men/men scenarios. They rated it low on paper, but their vaginal secretions said very much otherwise. Why lie about being turned on? Because it's not socially acceptable?

 

I'll be the first to openly admit that I get turned on watch porn That's very different from just a naked man, as the topic of this thread.

 

But I think the conclusion that these women are lying is a bit extreme. (btw, differences between objective and subjective arousal exist in men, too).

 

People can have a physiological arousal response to things that don't mentally appeal to them. The extreme example would be rape--women can have a physiological arousal response (vaginal swelling, wetness) during rape, even though the experience is actually traumatic.

 

In grayer areas, the difference between subjective and objective response may mean repression, or it may mean that there is something about the scenario that mentally turns the viewer off, while still physiologically arousing.

 

Also, I think it is important to note that a woman's physiological response is largely internal, with no obvious "visual" confirmation as in a man's erect penis. If she is mentally enough disturbed by what she is seeing, she may not even register the physiological arousal.