WTF? What makes me sick about all these stupid porn discussions

[moimeme]

I really think men are less shallow in the way they view women than the way they view each other

 

EXACTLY. I am starting to think that most women think very little of men and it's depressing.

But the internet is not running rampant with pictures and videos of naked men. That's my point

 

So? First of all, it will get more so as women quit being afraid to admit they actually like the looks of men, and secondly, the whole point of this discussion is why does ANYBODY think that someone just looking at someone else means the looker will lose affection for a spouse? IF women were looking at men, men would understand that it wouldn't mean the women were falling in love with the pictures.

[Fedup&givingup]

Originally posted by moimeme

I really think men are less shallow in the way they view women than the way they view each other

 

EXACTLY. I am starting to think that most women think very little of men and it's depressing.

But the internet is not running rampant with pictures and videos of naked men. That's my point

 

So? First of all, it will get more so as women quit being afraid to admit they actually like the looks of men, and secondly, the whole point of this discussion is why does ANYBODY think that someone just looking at someone else means the looker will lose affection for a spouse? IF women were looking at men, men would understand that it wouldn't mean the women were falling in love with the pictures.

 

It's the BASIC feeling that it can very EASILY make you feel threatened, i.e., less attractive, less appealing, not desirable. It just DOES tend to make you feel that way. For me, it has nothing to do with "falling in love" with the person, but it has everything to do with making me feel inadequate.

[tattoomytoe]

i think it is more Acceptable to see a woman naked than to see a man. Look at the ancient art, true there are some naked men, but the femal body has always been seen as more beautiful. Maybe it has to do with everyone has a mother. But even now i am much more comfortable seeing a naked woman on tv more than a man.

[Bronzepen]

I personally believe in "You can look but you can't touch" belief.

 

I think it's a bit selfish and insecure to think your SO looks at porn because your not good enough or just not cutting it.

 

It's not a competition between you and the porn model. If it is then you have security issues. Remember, the chances of your SO having an actual encounter with a porn model is very finite. Plus, if your SO does pursue then it's safe to say they were not the right partner for you or for anyone.

 

Always try to look at the big picture. Take a step back.

 

Of course, nothing is cut and dry. Everything should be done in moderation. Meaning, know your priorities.

 

If your SO doesn't concentrate on your relationship but instead dedicates a large amount of his or her time to porn watching, or anything else for that matter, then there is a problem.

[dyermaker]

Originally posted by Fedup&givingup

Your spouse or significant other looking at porn can make you feel VERY, VERY inadequate. It's an unsettling feeling knowing that your S/O looks at other women to get turned on.

Would you rather turn a blind eye to the nature of mankind? No one can make you feel inadequate without your consent. Unless you base your own self-worth in a relationship on your physical appearance, which is what this thread is about.

It's one thing (and personally OK for me) to watch porn together (to enhance the mood and/or use it as the "batteries") but it's another thing when he does it behind your back, and with you not included in it all. Then, it makes a woman feel very cheated.

Masturbation is a solitary act, like urinating. I would hope women wouldn't want to be included on urinating. Must he think of you when he urinates? I think people see masturbation as intimacy, when it's really like scratching an itch.

 

If all of your relationships are contingent upon you being the only person who your mate finds physically attractive, your relationship is doomed to fail, I gaurantee it.

[tattoomytoe]

Masturbation is a solitary act, like urinating. I would hope women wouldn't want to be included on urinating. Must he think of you when he urinates? I think people see masturbation as intimacy, when it's really like scratching an itch.

 

So true!

[Sundaymorning]

Originally posted by moimeme

 

That you don't know it exists does not mean that it does not exist. Women, of course, are still not 'supposed' to be sexual so they aren't 'supposed' to want to see naked fellows.

 

 

I know!!! THIS IS NUTS! bring on the naked men!!! I think naked men's bodies are JUST AS BEAUTIFUL as women's!!! AND I think the reason some women think naked men's penises are gross is because its all out there, while women's gross looking stuff is rather hidden. You dont really get those full frontal vaginal shots very often, unless its rough porn....that is when the V doesnt look so pretty. does that make sense?

 

BRING ON THE NAKED MEN, MAKE IT EQUAL BABY!

[Fedup&givingup]

Originally posted by dyermaker

Would you rather turn a blind eye to the nature of mankind? No one can make you feel inadequate without your consent. Unless you base your own self-worth in a relationship on your physical appearance, which is what this thread is about.

 

Masturbation is a solitary act, like urinating. I would hope women wouldn't want to be included on urinating. Must he think of you when he urinates? I think people see masturbation as intimacy, when it's really like scratching an itch.

 

If all of your relationships are contingent upon you being the only person who your mate finds physically attractive, your relationship is doomed to fail, I gaurantee it.

 

My own self worth hasn't been compromised UNTIL the porn was brought into the equation. At this point though, I could care less.

 

I don't care what anyone thinks about (or who) when they masturbate. I just feel that all of this is actually a distraction and an intrusion, period.

 

NO, I don't think that I would be the only one my mate is attracted to...it's about actions, remember. I think that if I were to lounge around getting off to some man in a virtual sex video poking me, that it would be disturbing and bruising to the male ego of the man I was involved with.

[Fedup&givingup]

And in addition to my last post, any man that thinks they are "with" me that opts to get off with virtual sex videos can have at it...they WON'T be getting much more from me, I can guarantee it. They can go f*ck themselves! LOL

[Sundaymorning]

Originally posted by Fedup&givingup

And in addition to my last post, any man that thinks they are "with" me that opts to get off with virtual sex videos can have at it...they WON'T be getting much more from me, I can guarantee it. They can go f*ck themselves! LOL

 

 

you and i have very similar feelings on certain things! I ditto this!

[Fedup&givingup]

Originally posted by Sundaymorning

you and i have very similar feelings on certain things! I ditto this!

 

Thank you!

 

Ok, it's all about your threshold of tolerance...what you are willing to accept and what you are not willing to accept. I KNOW I can't accept all this crap about pornography etc, etc. I can see it and dont' have a problem with it if a guy is single or whatever. But, if in a committed relationship, there's something wrong with it, IMO. If they can't get satisfaction from their partner, something stinks in Denmark.

 

I know what I want, and I'm just not willing to settle for anything less than that. I might end up alone for the rest of my life, and that wouldn't bother me in the least bit...if that's what it takes for me to have peace and solidarity in my life, touche.

 

I've already put up with TOO much crap....why do you all think I'm FEDUP!!!!

[UCFKevin]

Satisfaction.

 

<sigh>

 

Some of you women TRULY do not get it whatsoever.

 

We don't masturbate to porn to get back at you, or because you don't fulfill us. It's because we're ALWAYS HORNY and MUCH of the time, you gals aren't raring to go in the bed, because something's not working right or you're tired or have a headache. Not always of course, but many times. Yes or no?

 

So you just want your guy to sit or lay around, doing nothing, while you're on your period or you have a headache? We're just supposed to deal with it? Wait a few days until you can go again? To hell with that. That's INCREDIBLY selfish.

 

Sometimes Mr. Happy just stands up, and we look at it and go, "Oh, alright," and go to town. Simple as that. There's nothing behind it AT ALL.

 

DAMMIT.

[Sundaymorning]

Originally posted by UCFKevin

Satisfaction.

 

<sigh>

 

Some of you women TRULY do not get it whatsoever.

 

We don't masturbate to porn to get back at you, or because you don't fulfill us. It's because we're ALWAYS HORNY and MUCH of the time, you gals aren't raring to go in the bed, because something's not working right or you're tired or have a headache. Not always of course, but many times. Yes or no?

 

So you just want your guy to sit or lay around, doing nothing, while you're on your period or you have a headache? We're just supposed to deal with it? Wait a few days until you can go again? To hell with that. That's INCREDIBLY selfish.

 

Sometimes Mr. Happy just stands up, and we look at it and go, "Oh, alright," and go to town. Simple as that. There's nothing behind it AT ALL.

 

DAMMIT.

 

 

materbate all you want. I love that **** actually. Just dont masterbate to something that resembles another women. DAMNIT.

[moimeme]

It's the BASIC feeling that it can very EASILY make you feel threatened, i.e., less attractive, less appealing, not desirable. It just DOES tend to make you feel that way. For me, it has nothing to do with "falling in love" with the person, but it has everything to do with making me feel inadequate.

 

NOBODY can 'make' you feel anything. Read Albert Ellis. Really, do it. Your feelings come from your thoughts, and you can change your thoughts *very* successfully. You just have to want to. Or, you can cling to your unhappiness and feelings of inadequacy, if you prefer.

 

Masturbation is a solitary act, like urinating

 

Well, it doesn't have to be. It actually can be a very healthy part of a couple's sex life. But yes, when done solo it is just about scratching an itch.

 

 

I know!!! THIS IS NUTS! bring on the naked men!!! I think naked men's bodies are JUST AS BEAUTIFUL as women's!!!

 

Hear, hear!

[Sundaymorning]

NOBODY can 'make' you feel anything

 

 

while the statement taken literally is factual....the implied meaning is not. If my mother passed away (heaven forbid), I will feel sad. This is utterly natural and I would be not natural to feel anything but sadness.

So,I feel this phrase is a cop out, and just a way to defend someone's stance.

[Fedup&givingup]

Originally posted by UCFKevin

Satisfaction.

 

<sigh>

 

Some of you women TRULY do not get it whatsoever.

 

We don't masturbate to porn to get back at you, or because you don't fulfill us. It's because we're ALWAYS HORNY and MUCH of the time, you gals aren't raring to go in the bed, because something's not working right or you're tired or have a headache. Not always of course, but many times. Yes or no?

 

So you just want your guy to sit or lay around, doing nothing, while you're on your period or you have a headache? We're just supposed to deal with it? Wait a few days until you can go again? To hell with that. That's INCREDIBLY selfish.

 

Sometimes Mr. Happy just stands up, and we look at it and go, "Oh, alright," and go to town. Simple as that. There's nothing behind it AT ALL.

 

DAMMIT.

 

I see your point, but I can personally disagree with that. I'm ALWAYS ready to go, and you pointed it out...the man is sitting around, and WE are wiped out. Wiped out from working and running a household. The man watches TV, and most of the time has more energy stored up. Face it, I'm at my peak, and it's NOT just men that have a high sex drive...women do too, but it's at a different age range. Like I said earlier, there isn't much out there available to us women for visual stimulation. Not much "virtual sex with Tom" out there. If there is, I certainly don't know about it.

 

Also, I've been turned down plenty by Mr. Virtual-Sex-Video-Viewing SON OF A B*TCH, and THAT is a problem in itself.

[Fedup&givingup]

Originally posted by Sundaymorning

materbate all you want. I love that **** actually. Just dont masterbate to something that resembles another women. DAMNIT.

 

Yeah, really. Don't sit there f*cking the woman in your mind that you're looking AT.

[moimeme]

So,I feel this phrase is a cop out

 

No, actually to say that 'I can't help it' is a copout. It is fallacious to equate major loss, which is something which causes grief to everyone, with something like self-esteem, which only some people have problems with.

 

Albert Ellis developed rational-emotive behaviour therapy to combat people's tendency to think themselves into misery. It works *very* well. It's bizarre to me that someone can be told 'you don't have to feel this miserable - there is a solution' and that person's response is 'no, thanks, I have a right to be miserable and I'm not interested in any solutions'

[Fedup&givingup]

Originally posted by moimeme

It's the BASIC feeling that it can very EASILY make you feel threatened, i.e., less attractive, less appealing, not desirable. It just DOES tend to make you feel that way. For me, it has nothing to do with "falling in love" with the person, but it has everything to do with making me feel inadequate.

 

NOBODY can 'make' you feel anything. Read Albert Ellis. Really, do it. Your feelings come from your thoughts, and you can change your thoughts *very* successfully. You just have to want to. Or, you can cling to your unhappiness and feelings of inadequacy, if you prefer.

 

Masturbation is a solitary act, like urinating

 

Well, it doesn't have to be. It actually can be a very healthy part of a couple's sex life. But yes, when done solo it is just about scratching an itch.

 

 

I know!!! THIS IS NUTS! bring on the naked men!!! I think naked men's bodies are JUST AS BEAUTIFUL as women's!!!

 

Hear, hear!

 

I don't "cling" to my feelings of unhappiness or inadequacy. I'm actually well above and beyond all that by now. I feel that if a man has to RESORT to such activity, that they simply are not WORTHY of my time. I can select who I choose to be with.

 

Moi,

 

I DO see your point, and you just have a different outlook on it than I do. A lot of this has to do with who you are compatible with. I for one am NOT compatible with someone that has to rely on this activity from time to time. I would be settling, period. I know this about myself, and that's that.

[moimeme]

Like I said earlier, there isn't much out there available to us women for visual stimulation. Not much "virtual sex with Tom" out there. If there is, I certainly don't know about it

 

Fergawdsakes, FU, again - just because you can't find it doesn't mean it's not there. Did you know that people like to have sex dressed up as furry animals? Well guess what? You don't know everything!

[Sundaymorning]

Originally posted by moimeme

So,I feel this phrase is a cop out

 

No, actually to say that 'I can't help it' is a copout. It is fallacious to equate major loss, which is something which causes grief to everyone, with something like self-esteem, which only some people have problems with.

 

Albert Ellis developed rational-emotive behaviour therapy to combat people's tendency to think themselves into misery. It works *very* well. It's bizarre to me that someone can be told 'you don't have to feel this miserable - there is a solution' and that person's response is 'no, thanks, I have a right to be miserable and I'm not interested in any solutions'

 

 

Your point is valid, of course, there are different types of these things. As you stated, those who feel they need to feel that way, and others who are trying to get out of it. But, I will say it is very hard to combat self esteem problems. Many women have them, many men have them, and it is reinforced to us everyday why we should feel less than others. So, it is a constant battle everyday to teach ourselves that we are not less than, and to work on it. Some people cannot understand this battle. and that is fine.No sympathy needed....it is not a " i want people to feel sorry for me". For me it is mostly a silent battle. Only the people on LS really know of it. ah, that is because i am trying to be strong!

[Juggs]

Masterbation and watching porn are perfectly normal things.

 

Any woman looking for a man that does not watch porn or masterbate is going to be looking a very long time and will end up with a blind man that has no hands. (not that there's anything wrong with blind, handless men, mind you...)

[Fedup&givingup]

I never said I DID know everything. There you go again with your condescention against me; that happens every time I disagree with you about something, your club comes out at me and bashes my character.

 

I said there isn't much out there for us women. You yourself just agreed to "Bring on the naked men"...why is that? because there's not much out there. I say bring it on, too. However, if I'm in a committed relationship, I wouldn't sneak around to do it simply because I KNOW it's insulting.

[Fedup&givingup]

Originally posted by Juggs

Masterbation and watching porn are perfectly normal things.

 

Any woman looking for a man that does not watch porn or masterbate is going to be looking a very long time and will end up with a blind man that has no hands. (not that there's anything wrong with blind, handless men, mind you...)

 

And I'm willing to accept that. I'll be happy with a cat on my lap!

[Sundaymorning]

Sometimes I think, if men do it, why dont women just do it too? Makes me feel a whole lot better sometimes, just to be equal, maybe think of another man whenever, look at another man, etc. This whole equality thing when it comes to sex is quite liberating. Sometimes for me, its ' if you cannot beat it, join it'.