Arnold and Maria

[tami-chan]

Omg please don't judge me for being involved with a married man but it's fair game to judge someone on looks?

 

LOL...greengoddess, you obviously have something personal against me ( weird because we do not know each other). I have never said that this OW not be judged, as a matter of fact, I think it is unfortunately that she chose to do this-whatever the circumstances were. I do not know with you but matters of the "heart" ( or loins ) require more thinking( or should)...commenting on something physical is easy-that is why it is usually referred to as "shallow" . Am I being shallow by commenting on her looks? Absolutely. She is one ugly woman, albeit, the picture might not be do her justice, I stand by my comment.

 

Yes, when your image is out there for public consumption it IS fair game.

[Mimolicious]

I think this goes to stereotype that MM must cheat with younger and more attractive women.

 

I think it proves the point that they often affair down, because it is easier.

 

I think it also proves the point that for many affairs, the spouse is prettier and more accomplished.

 

Looks often have little to do with sex or attraction, believe it or not.

 

 

Oh you bet! Men think with their lil head!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This goes to show that age, looks, money, even LOVE may not be the reason why a person would cheat.

 

Have we read anywhere how Arnie thinks his housekeeper was "amazing", his "soulmate" and that he "wuvs her"? I don't think we will either. I hear the bus coming........

[greengoddess]

LOL...greengoddess, you obviously have something personal against me ( weird because we do not know each other). I have never said that this OW not be judged, as a matter of fact, I think it is unfortunately that she chose to do this-whatever the circumstances were. I do not know with you but matters of the "heart" ( or loins ) require more thinking( or should)...commenting on something physical is easy-that is why it is usually referred to as "shallow" . Am I being shallow by commenting on her looks? Absolutely. She is one ugly woman, albeit, the picture might not be do her justice, I stand by my comment.

 

Yes, when your image is out there for public consumption it IS fair game.

 

Ugly? Yes I agree. I see her as ugly because her insides are ugly but I don't think anyone is ugly on the outside. People all have beauty in their own right.

[Mimolicious]

LOL...greengoddess, you obviously have something personal against me ( weird because we do not know each other). I have never said that this OW not be judged, as a matter of fact, I think it is unfortunately that she chose to do this-whatever the circumstances were. I do not know with you but matters of the "heart" ( or loins ) require more thinking( or should)...commenting on something physical is easy-that is why it is usually referred to as "shallow" . Am I being shallow by commenting on her looks? Absolutely. She is one ugly woman, albeit, the picture might not be do her justice, I stand by my comment.

 

Yes, when your image is out there for public consumption it IS fair game.

 

Add me to your "shallow" crew . (far from it but whatever...)

 

If you think about it, a man with his status can have ANY woman he wants, served in a tutty-fruity-bunny-ears platter. Especially in Hollywood. Maria, probably felt comfortable hiring someone that didn't look like the traditional Cali girl as their keeper. LOL!. Little did she know... tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Spark1111]

I think they started digging and am not sure who tipped them off?

 

Someone, because all OW confide in someone, knew of the sitch and dropped a dime.

 

Jealous of a 4 bedroom home with a pool after she divorced her H? Maybe.

 

Wondering where she got all that money and lavish lifestyle? $1200 a week can't afford that in LA.

 

During her divorce she checked the box that her H and she had no minor children together.

 

Add that the boy is a dead ringer for his father, it wasn't a stretch for the media to put 2n2 together.

[tami-chan]

Ugly? Yes I agree. I see her as ugly because her insides are ugly but I don't think anyone is ugly on the outside. People all have beauty in their own right.

 

riiight.....too funny...!

[Baroness67]

Besides the obvious things to be bothered about which everyone has catalogued throughout this post, for me, personally, I keep recalling the memory of those articles which stated that Arnold always wanted Maria in dresses and skirts and never pants because he thought a woman should look like a woman, or whatever that was. And that's why she usually wore dresses and skirts. The way I read it, it just smacked of a guy who seemed to just want to tell the world how much he appreciated women, and, by implication, traditional family values about gender roles. I always thought, good for him, you know, Maria has made her choice to be with a strong man who for whatever his preferences also seems to appreciate his role as protector and defender of his family, and the man in the house. I figured, as a man who lives by his word, put on the skirt.

 

This just blows it all to smithereens to me. What a house of cards. And it makes me mad that Maria spent decades wearing skirts and dresses so this guy could look like more of a man to the public.

 

Angry all around. I don't think it's hit me yet in the way that I can't watch any more movies with Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson but I'm sure it will.

 

The part about the son wanting to take the Shriver name, I'm guessing maybe it's been on his mind for a while (Scharzenegger is a hard one to through life with) and he's using this opportunity as one where his father has no place to come down him for ANYTHING. But also I'm picturing a young man who idolized his father and realized he's been lied to worse than any voter for well over a decade. It's got to be particularly ironic considering he had an authoritarian parent who was always "right" about everything (down to burning clothes left on the floor in their rooms, so I once read) only to realize that his dad is just .... a giant hypocrite.

 

This story is just a few steps short of the Edwards saga, and only because the other woman hasn't written her book yet. Of course now that the hush money is gone and the discontinuation of child support is in the future, everyone knows she'll write the next book.

 

Heart going out to Maria's kids. ((( He destroyed their legacy, good job Arnold.

[Heather1]

well it was just reported she made $1,200. a week. Yup $62,000 a year is slave labor and only illegals and weak women who can be preyed upon by powerful men would do a job such as this.

 

Geeez I hate when people stereotype people because of a job held.

 

Damn my trashman is actually a classy guy making a lot of money with a lot more going on financially then collecting trash but he loves the pension he will get one day from the job he took when he was young before he graduated college.

 

OPEN YOUR EYES and do not judge people buy the job they hold.

 

I don't understand how you twist everything I say to suit your theory...HE WAS HER EMPLOYER & IN A POSITION OF POWER THAT HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF no matter what her job is. She could be his lawyer, I don't care, it's abuse of power!!! We have harassment laws in this country, because of our forefathers, that protect women from this kind of thing. They were overlooked, because he's a movie star, and the charges disappeared. I don't know why you're striking out at this woman (one of many). Why aren't you appalled that women can still be treated this way & movie stars can get away with it? That a man, because of his fame, can raise his kids side by side w/ no guilt or remorse & put his kids, his wife, his employee, through this & sip his brandy??? And read on sites how how it's her fault, and feel content that he's off the hook cuz now she's the seductress.

 

I just hope your boss never hits on you & if you decline it will cost you your job. THAT'S what I'm talking about, women who have had to endure (& still do in other countries) this kind of treatment throughout US history so that when our bosses hit on us, or grope us, it is totally inappropriate & illegal. I'm saying that to automatically assume this woman asked for it is slamming our sisters before us that made it possible for us to keep our jobs & not have to do any sexual favors for doing so.

 

I don't think you'll ever understand GG, you're so full of hate for OW that there's no reasoning. I hope you never have to walk a mile in other's shoes.

[whichwayisup]

I don't understand how you twist everything I say to suit your theory...HE WAS HER EMPLOYER & IN A POSITION OF POWER THAT HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF no matter what her job is. She could be his lawyer, I don't care, it's abuse of power!!!

 

Sorry but a 10 year affair isn't an abuse of power. The OW wanted Arnie too. It wasn't forced, nor a one way street. This OW had no problem wearing his wife's clothing, jewelery or hopping into their marital bed with Arnie. She is far from innocent or a victim in this.

 

And, he isn't off the hook on this. At all. He's so much at fault! And he'll still be paying child support since his son since he's 13 years old.

[greengoddess]

I don't understand how you twist everything I say to suit your theory...HE WAS HER EMPLOYER & IN A POSITION OF POWER THAT HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF no matter what her job is. She could be his lawyer, I don't care, it's abuse of power!!! We have harassment laws in this country, because of our forefathers, that protect women from this kind of thing. They were overlooked, because he's a movie star, and the charges disappeared. I don't know why you're striking out at this woman (one of many). Why aren't you appalled that women can still be treated this way & movie stars can get away with it? That a man, because of his fame, can raise his kids side by side w/ no guilt or remorse & put his kids, his wife, his employee, through this & sip his brandy??? And read on sites how how it's her fault, and feel content that he's off the hook cuz now she's the seductress.

 

I just hope your boss never hits on you & if you decline it will cost you your job. THAT'S what I'm talking about, women who have had to endure (& still do in other countries) this kind of treatment throughout US history so that when our bosses hit on us, or grope us, it is totally inappropriate & illegal. I'm saying that to automatically assume this woman asked for it is slamming our sisters before us that made it possible for us to keep our jobs & not have to do any sexual favors for doing so.

 

I don't think you'll ever understand GG, you're so full of hate for OW that there's no reasoning. I hope you never have to walk a mile in other's shoes.

 

 

OMG you are serious aren't you? You really believe what you are saying? You believe this woman was a VICTIM? Amazing. Just amazing.

 

I wonder, if you had an affair with your boss and he threw you under the boss would you sue him for sexual harrassment? OMG

[alexandria35]

well it was just reported she made $1,200. a week. Yup $62,000 a year is slave labor and only illegals and weak women who can be preyed upon by powerful men would do a job such as this.

 

Geeez I hate when people stereotype people because of a job held.

 

Damn my trashman is actually a classy guy making a lot of money with a lot more going on financially then collecting trash but he loves the pension he will get one day from the job he took when he was young before he graduated college.

 

OPEN YOUR EYES and do not judge people buy the job they hold.

 

Thank You! I agree wholeheartedly.

 

I worked as a house cleaner for several years when my kids were little because the hours allowed me to be home early in the evenings and on weekends. I enjoyed the work, took a pride in what I did, was paid well and I never felt disrespected. I certainly never felt what I was doing was comparable to being a slave on a plantation. Whoever likened housekeeping with slavery is seriously mistaken. If I lost my job now and couldn't find something comparable to what I do now, I would go back to housekeeping in a heartbeat.

[greengoddess]

Thank You! I agree wholeheartedly.

 

I worked as a house cleaner for several years when my kids were little because the hours allowed me to be home early in the evenings and on weekends. I enjoyed the work, took a pride in what I did, was paid well and I never felt disrespected. I certainly never felt what I was doing was comparable to being a slave on a plantation. Whoever likened housekeeping with slavery is seriously mistaken. If I lost my job now and couldn't find something comparable to what I do now, I would go back to housekeeping in a heartbeat.

 

I think house cleaning is a real learned skill. I am terrible at it. I never learned to REALLY clean correctly. I grew up with a housekeeper. Now my kids really have no clue how to clean correctly either.

 

We all straighten everything beautifully, but clean really clean I just suck at.

 

I assume you never felt obligated to sleep with your bosses so you did not lose your job?

[greengoddess]

.

 

I just hope your boss never hits on you & if you decline it will cost you your job. THAT'S what I'm talking about, women who have had to endure (& still do in other countries) this kind of treatment throughout US history so that when our bosses hit on us, or grope us, it is totally inappropriate & illegal. I'm saying that to automatically assume this woman asked for it is slamming our sisters before us that made it possible for us to keep our jobs & not have to do any sexual favors for doing so.

 

I don't think you'll ever understand GG, you're so full of hate for OW that there's no reasoning. I hope you never have to walk a mile in other's shoes.

 

Heather you just summed it up in your own words. IT IS ILLEGAL. She does not have to sleep with her boss because "our sisters before us made it possible for us to keep our jobs and not have to do any sexual favors for doing so."

 

UM HELLO contradict yourself much? Women made it possible so we don't have to sleep with our bosses and yet you argue and argue she slept with him because she had to because of power?

[Mimolicious]

Heather you just summed it up in your own words. IT IS ILLEGAL. She does not have to sleep with her boss because "our sisters before us made it possible for us to keep our jobs and not have to do any sexual favors for doing so."

 

UM HELLO contradict yourself much? Women made it possible so we don't have to sleep with our bosses and yet you argue and argue she slept with him because she had to because of power?

 

 

I agree with GG. There are LABOR LAWS and if you lose your job, so what?????! You lose more by enduring the abuse. If you fight for your rights, like our sisters before us did, you'll be all over the 5pm news. Even though all publicity is good publicity, I rather make a huge impact and save many from abuse, than to take the easy route and look like a skank at the end. Which side are you on?

 

Even though these media outlets manipulate details as they are leaked, they really are not make stories up. They can't. They will be hit with a lawsuit for defamation of character. All these scandals they start with "he said, She said" but mostly end the same way.

 

From the looks of things, the housekeeper sounds like a nutjob. Wearing his W's stuff and sleeping in her own bed. We read of some obsessed people here on LS's, all day every day... but this one took the cake!

 

I mean, think about! Who would sit there and watch/work for their MM, while he lives his life with his family and you gotta wash their dishes? That will drive anyone insane, if they weren't insane to begin with. I'll go with the latter.

[Heather1]

Heather you just summed it up in your own words. IT IS ILLEGAL. She does not have to sleep with her boss because "our sisters before us made it possible for us to keep our jobs and not have to do any sexual favors for doing so."

 

UM HELLO contradict yourself much? Women made it possible so we don't have to sleep with our bosses and yet you argue and argue she slept with him because she had to because of power?

 

I don't know what she did, but he's a known womanizer & she worked for him.

 

I think you lack empathy GG, you're judge & jury, no in between.

[Spark1111]

I don't know what she did, but he's a known womanizer & she worked for him.

 

I think you lack empathy GG, you're judge & jury, no in between.

 

I think she saw a meal ticket, a horny one, and used it to her advantage.

 

Would women be throwing themselves at powerful wealthy men if they weren't powerful and wealthy?

 

His arrogance and ego and self-entitlement are beyond the pale. No, actually they are pretty much the norm.

 

And look, just look at the court of public opinion as it is playing out in the media right now.

 

They are both being raked over the coals; their family and friends hounded for info; their personal lives and documents and financial transactions being outed; their families hiding in pain and devastation.

 

Yep, just like any ordinary affair after DDAY, just on a grander scale.

[Silly_Girl]

Would women be throwing themselves at powerful wealthy men if they weren't powerful and wealthy?

 

YES!!!!!!! OF COURSE WE DO!

 

This made I laugh. We're always being told on here our men have no redeeming qualities, they're cheating scum, cowards, arrogant, cocky etc etc. If you wanted to sit and weed them out there'd be a big pile of quotes which add up to the MM being worthless and useless... Yet someone still wants to bed them.

[woinlove]

I've been wondering where the information to the media has been coming from, as some of it seems designed to try to humiliate Maria Shriver further - with pictures of the OW and Arnold in their home, even with one of Maria and Arnold's young children, talk of unprotected sex in the marital bed, etc.

 

Now that the media has a copy of the Gift Letter from Arnold for the OW's mortgage, it seems most likely that at least some of this is coming from OW or her side, as they seem to have access to private photos and documents, which certainly aren't doing anything to help Arnold.

[Rose1977]

I think that you must be joking when you say you feel sorry for the OW. She is as guilty (if not more) than Arnold.

 

 

I have cleared this up several times in this thread.. When I first started this thread, I knew nothing about the OW. I had only seen a short piece about her on one of the morning news shows that painted her in the victim light, insinuating she "had" to keep quiet b/c of his pollitical career.

 

As I researched more and learned more about the disgusting situation, I stated several times that any sympathy I had was going away quickly and posted links to a couple articles (granted they were TMZ links, but whatever) backing up why I was more and more disgusted with the actions of the OW.

 

Thought I had cleared up my original statement, maybe you didn't read the rest of my comments in this thread.

[Rose1977]

I've been wondering where the information to the media has been coming from, as some of it seems designed to try to humiliate Maria Shriver further - with pictures of the OW and Arnold in their home, even with one of Maria and Arnold's young children, talk of unprotected sex in the marital bed, etc.

 

Now that the media has a copy of the Gift Letter from Arnold for the OW's mortgage, it seems most likely that at least some of this is coming from OW or her side, as they seem to have access to private photos and documents, which certainly aren't doing anything to help Arnold.

 

 

I definitely think a lot of this is being leaked from her camp. There are details about his bank statements and the amounts of payments made that are pretty specific though, so who knows. What I can't figure out is why she would do this now... I would have to imagine he could have paid her enough to shut her up for life and not have to go through any of this media drama.

 

Just speculating of course, but I think he led her on all these years telling her that when he was out of politics he would leave his wife for her. I think she hung on all these years believing it and decided to attempt to destroy him once she realized her happy ending was not to be. I would imagine at some point love letters, voicemails, and all types of other stuff will come out.

 

He really makes me want to vomit. My Dday was AWFUL, I cannot imagine what Maria Shriver must be feeling right now. She must be humiliated and I cannot imagine the questions she is asking herself about how she could have not seen the signs and wondering where she was when he was with her. For me that was the worst part - well, one of the worst - wondering where I was when he was with HER and what lies he had told me to keep me from calling etc... This whole thing is just stomach turning.

[Rose1977]

I've been wondering where the information to the media has been coming from, as some of it seems designed to try to humiliate Maria Shriver further - with pictures of the OW and Arnold in their home, even with one of Maria and Arnold's young children, talk of unprotected sex in the marital bed, etc.

 

Now that the media has a copy of the Gift Letter from Arnold for the OW's mortgage, it seems most likely that at least some of this is coming from OW or her side, as they seem to have access to private photos and documents, which certainly aren't doing anything to help Arnold.

 

 

Not sure how accurate this is, but I guess if it's true it would explain why it's all coming to light now.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/05/18/2011-05-18_mildred_baena_woman_arnold_schwarzenegger_had_love_child_with_threatened_to_go_p.html

[greengoddess]

Sounds like a primadonna.

 

Furthermore, being clean is not a skill. Anyone can do that.

 

 

LOl cleaning WELL is a skill. I call a friend when I have certain stains I want to get out. I ask advice from people sometimes on cleaning things. My cleaning person can do my whole home in 4 hours spotlessly whereas I can take that long for one room. I admire people who are really good and efficient at cleaning. It's a skill and I suck at it but my house is clean thanks to my lovely cleaning person who is not illegal, downtrodden, paid poorly or used and abused. She is a lovely middle aged, middle class married mom of two college students who cleans for extra money and because she enjoys it, feels accomplished and is damn good it.

[woinlove]

I definitely think a lot of this is being leaked from her camp. There are details about his bank statements and the amounts of payments made that are pretty specific though, so who knows. What I can't figure out is why she would do this now... I would have to imagine he could have paid her enough to shut her up for life and not have to go through any of this media drama.

 

As to the timing, some reports said Maria confronted her. Whatever caused the timing, one could see the rationale if her side was leaking the details. Reports are that Arnold is desperate to reconcile and Maria thinks she can't get over the deep betrayal, but is still emotionally attached to Arnold. Nothing like photos of your precious toddler in the arms of OW while being hugged by your H, or OW dancing with your H in your house years before you know for certain they were having sex, or stories of lots of sex in your bed minutes after you left for work, or substantial gifts from your H when you thought he was supporting your through your loss of a parent, etc., to make sure that Maria can't get over this. Could all be a strategy to try to make sure Maria divorces him. Not that I think Arnold will end up with OW no matter what Maria decides. But she might think that.

[Mimolicious]

I definitely think a lot of this is being leaked from her camp. There are details about his bank statements and the amounts of payments made that are pretty specific though, so who knows. What I can't figure out is why she would do this now... I would have to imagine he could have paid her enough to shut her up for life and not have to go through any of this media drama.

 

Just speculating of course, but I think he led her on all these years telling her that when he was out of politics he would leave his wife for her. I think she hung on all these years believing it and decided to attempt to destroy him once she realized her happy ending was not to be. I would imagine at some point love letters, voicemails, and all types of other stuff will come out.

 

He really makes me want to vomit. My Dday was AWFUL, I cannot imagine what Maria Shriver must be feeling right now. She must be humiliated and I cannot imagine the questions she is asking herself about how she could have not seen the signs and wondering where she was when he was with her. For me that was the worst part - well, one of the worst - wondering where I was when he was with HER and what lies he had told me to keep me from calling etc... This whole thing is just stomach turning.

 

 

The bolded- Because until few days ago, she was a simple housekeeper with a secret. A BIG SECRET. Secret is out and now it's time for the 15 mins of fame. Soon the 15 mins will be up and that's all she wrote. Nobody will care. Hope she enjoys the ride... while it lasts.

[blueroses10]

I agree with GG. There are LABOR LAWS and if you lose your job, so what?????! You lose more by enduring the abuse. If you fight for your rights, like our sisters before us did, you'll be all over the 5pm news. Even though all publicity is good publicity, I rather make a huge impact and save many from abuse, than to take the easy route and look like a skank at the end. Which side are you on?

 

Even though these media outlets manipulate details as they are leaked, they really are not make stories up. They can't. They will be hit with a lawsuit for defamation of character. All these scandals they start with "he said, She said" but mostly end the same way.

 

From the looks of things, the housekeeper sounds like a nutjob. Wearing his W's stuff and sleeping in her own bed. We read of some obsessed people here on LS's, all day every day... but this one took the cake!

 

I mean, think about! Who would sit there and watch/work for their MM, while he lives his life with his family and you gotta wash their dishes? That will drive anyone insane, if they weren't insane to begin with. I'll go with the latter.

 

I just realized this is one of those freaky Lifetime movies. The one where the sister in law pines away for the BIL comes to mind.

 

I felt sorry for the OW at first because I didn't think we knew enough to judge her but if the reports are accurate, Arnold is lucky Maria didn't find a bunny boiling in the kitchen.

 

The things that are reported seem psychotic to me.