Arnold and Maria

[bentnotbroken]

TMZ? Really? Well theres a reputable piece of journalism if I ever saw one.

 

Its horrible that he is such a scumbag and horrible for Maria but Im still not convinced that this Patty person is a total scumbag. Its not looking good but we still dont really know and will never know for sure.

 

Not because she was the OW and I have some sort of blindsight where that is concerned but because Arnold and co will have teams of people managing the media circus leaking just the right information to just the right people. Its purchased publicity and we will never really know what is fact and what is fiction. Thats why his PR team earns the big bucks;)

 

One of them is going to be protrayed as the predator in this situation. If its the OW then he can recover from this because on a certain level a good proportion of the populatoins forgives "boys" for being boys. But women are not forgiven (as we see on these forums). If the OW is not vilianized it makes his reputation more difficult to recover.

 

None of it is about reality its about what works for the family. Of course none of it works for Maria and the children. I really feel for them.

 

 

I think most of us do. No matter how you feel about Stupinator or the OW, this isn't something that was chosen by all ...especially the children involved.

[tami-chan]

Well...

As I said yesterday, my sympathy towards the OW could decrease, and I think that is happening now.

 

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/18/arnold-schwarzenegger-mildred-patty-baena-maria-shriver-love-child-mother-jewelry-illegitimate-maid-sex-pregnancy-love-advice/

 

I feel absolutely SICK when I think about how Maria must feel seeing all of this.

 

 

Well...not sure if these reports are true. She is going against a very powerful family who has the means and motive to destroy her via the media. But I will say this...YIKES! what did Arnold see in her:sick:? She must have been quite talented in bed.

[greengoddess]

Well...not sure if these reports are true. She is going against a very powerful family who has the means and motive to destroy her via the media. But I will say this...YIKES! what did Arnold see in her:sick:? She must have been quite talented in bed.

 

 

Omg please don't judge me for being involved with a married man but it's fair game to judge someone on looks?

[Mimolicious]

No I am not stereotyoing her. I am judging her by her actions. Sleeping with her employer who is married, getting pregnant by a married man with all the birth control out there, lying to her husband and her son about the childs real father and continuing to work for the wife of the married guy. Sick no matter how you want to paint her background. It is wrong in any culture. You (general you) are stereotyping arnie for being rich and her as being poor. I bet her job paid damn well and had great benefits. Especially that she gets full pension and benefits after 20 years.

 

I agree with what you are saying (trust me) but you are discarding other's opinions and if yours is the only one that has any rhyme and reason. In reality, we only know the start, middle and outcome of the drama, not the in betweens. Who knows what really went on?!

 

Apparently, and according to the divorce papers, her and her H had no children, yet she has 2 older kids. We don't know the grounds of her M. People don't only marry for "love". She could have been M for papers for all we know. She is from South America. I think Nicaragua (I forget).

I'm just saying... It's a typical stereotype. Just throwing it out there.

 

Now, it did come out that the housekeeper was about to drop dime on Arnie. After 14yrs? Wonder what else she wanted? (I see it took her a while to get "Americanized" LOL!)

 

According to records she made $1,200 a week and her pension is $5,000. Umm... I guess that is a lot of money?!?! Not really, if you have 3 kids. :oBUT when you have 1 with a superstar that is like pennies, but I don't mean to sound F'ed up, this lady is not no glam chick. Sorry. (men really think with their small head)

 

Oh well! Just goes to show that the truth always comes out and people weave tangled webs, like idiots yet do more damage by lying. Now he's facked and so is the housekeeper. She really had bad intentions. (I agree with some of your points GreenG). Usually, celebs make house staff sign confidentiality forms or else they get booted, seems like she waited to have her pension to start talking. SMART LADY! (can't knock her hustle)

I can see her pimp'in the boy as her trophy child. KASH'ING! (oh, she already did that!)

[Mimolicious]

he's rich and famous and can do whatever he wants, within reason

 

 

You're bugging.

[Mimolicious]

OMG.........I love it Mimo.......I'm gonna keep that one cause it's soo true. Mine has kept me up more than once but hey I'm working on it. That particular biotch ain't gonna bother me anymore.

 

BB- if you did things that you can forgive yourself for, then it will rest.

 

There are just things that are of too much magnitude and weight heavy on the conscience. Not everyone has one though.

[Mimolicious]

Arnold has an extensive past with lots of women and cheating. It was no surprise to me. Maria comes from a family of cheaters, I would have thought she would have seen this a mile away.

 

 

So now this is her fault and she deserved it because she should have known better??????

[woinlove]

TMZ? Really? Well theres a reputable piece of journalism if I ever saw one.

 

Its horrible that he is such a scumbag and horrible for Maria but Im still not convinced that this Patty person is a total scumbag. Its not looking good but we still dont really know and will never know for sure.

 

Not because she was the OW and I have some sort of blindsight where that is concerned but because Arnold and co will have teams of people managing the media circus leaking just the right information to just the right people. Its purchased publicity and we will never really know what is fact and what is fiction. Thats why his PR team earns the big bucks;)

 

One of them is going to be protrayed as the predator in this situation. If its the OW then he can recover from this because on a certain level a good proportion of the populatoins forgives "boys" for being boys. But women are not forgiven (as we see on these forums). If the OW is not vilianized it makes his reputation more difficult to recover.

 

None of it is about reality its about what works for the family. Of course none of it works for Maria and the children. I really feel for them.

 

I agree with what you write, but I wonder how the media got hold of some of the pictures. The ones of the OW and the OW with her son appear to have been posted by her on the web a number of years ago - so those are no surprise. However, the ones of her and Arnold together in Arnold and Maria's home do not seem to appear anywhere on the web and have been labelled "exclusive to TMZ". These pictures (of the two of them dancing or embracing at Christmas, along with one of Arnold's and Maria's children as a toddler) would appear to humiliate Maria and make the OW look like a real competitor to Maria in her own home. I don't see Arnold's PR at work in this as they just make him look more sleazy with respect to Maria.

[Mimolicious]

You think Arnie harrassed his OW? Or is it the other way around?

 

Either way, they both now are suffering huge consquences and the kids all have to deal with the fallout.

 

 

I don't know... BUT looking LIKE THAT, who the fack would harrass her a$$? He must have been really desperate that day. (SORRY)

 

BUT

 

Thinking about it, she looks like Arnies female version. :lmao::lmao:

NOT ATTRACTIVE AT ALL!

[Mimolicious]

Oprah taped her last show already. Plus Maria is a dear friend. Who's left... Many but the interview wouldn't be the same.

 

JJ3 I already talked about the fact we really don't know any. Just the affair and a child. Right now it's just all speculations for us.

 

I wonder how hard having a love child is? It's even more heart breaking in an affair. Now a innocent child has to suffer with the stigma of being call illegitimate. It's all just sad.

 

 

The bolded- MAURY POVICH! And his DNA testing.

" Arnold, YOU ARE THE FATHER!" (Audience claps):lmao:

 

Sorry guys, I am just goofing. Watch the-one-we-can't-mention-who-is-never-here come and close this thread because of my clowing.

[Mimolicious]

O/T a bit, but my I was just telling my BF this weekend that I picked the wrong career. I live in a high rise in NY and I am friends with two of the housekeepers in our building and they do VERY well here.

 

On topic, I do remember bits and pieces about Arnold being a bit of a womanizer or cheater, but I have never really paid a lot of attention to him or found him that attractive. I kind of remember when he was running for Gov he had to apologize publicly to a woman he was accused of doing something to, but I don't remember the whole story.

 

TMZ just posted pics of him with the OW and the child without his face blurred. The boy is cute, he does look A LOT like Arnold, but what bothers me is the pic was taken in his house allegedly. That definitely takes it to a new level. But I am disgusted that this woman is subjecting her son to this and that his face is no longer being blurred. I don't know enough to make accusations, but it seems to me like she is using the childfor publicity and to make money which is repulsive in my eyes. But I could be wrong, maybe someone else is leaking the pics.

 

He's a minor. TMZ could be shut the hell down and then she will really get her ducket$$$$$ if she didn't sign a release form!

Unreal how they have their xmas sweaters and they are posing like nothing. Classic!

[Mimolicious]

Just because a person is in the entertainment field, or holding a particular office, this doesn't give the media a right to your personal business. Ever.

 

 

It actually does. You give up the right to privacy when you become either or. This is nothing new though.

[silktricks]

OH bs........it's not always someone's else fault, I own my **** here and in real life, thank you very much. No one here said that she is innocent, now have they? Myself and others have pointed out that you are crucifying this woman when you don't know the facts yet. Maybe she is as disgusting and a nutjob as Realle Hunter is, but maybe not, you don't know, I don't know.

 

Look.........gg, maybe you've been lucky and never been harassed or been taken advantage because you are a woman by a man in power. Maybe that is what happened here, maybe not. The POINT, we don't know yet, nor do you.

 

We will never know the "facts" we'll only ever know what the media puts out. But gg's point is, I believe, that she pretty obviously made the choice to stay working for the Schwarzenegger household for MANY years after the birth of her child. She was not an illegal, could not have ever been an illegal, or it would have definitely come out during the election cycle. And to assume that she was harassed into having an affair and then staying working for them is a pretty big stretch, as 14 years ago the economy was BOOMING, and a good housekeeper could easily find work with the rich set. Even now with the economy still in the toilet, wealthy people want and hire good housekeepers.

 

What Arnold did was disgusting. What the housekeeper did was ALSO disgusting. Neither of them should be portrayed as victims. She obviously wasn't lied to about his marital status.... She absolutely without a particle of a doubt knew that he was married - and she was married at the time, as well.

 

Nonetheless, I feel sorry for the whole mix. Most sorry for Maria and all the kids, but even Arnold and the housekeeper - (I think she goes by Patty). What a mess.

[Mimolicious]

True. That's why many affairs end in heartbreak here.

 

Sometimes when I hear OW talk about BS, there's an ugly theme of power/domination over BS. Not all OW, of course, but enough to make me scratch my head and wonder whether some affairs aren't so much about MM but about unconscious triangulation issues.

 

My friend talks about the BS in this way. It's hard enough for me to understand the obsession with MM (who is a jerk and doesn't pretend to care about her), but this competitive obsession with an oblivious BS is very strange. Maybe it's the insecurity of an affair -- or deep insecurity within -- that causes this.

 

 

Single (insert color here) Female Syndrome. Happens! There is nothing scarier than a psycho, jealous, insecured, wannabe you biotch! Trust me, I know! This is why Lifetime will never run out of material. Mental issues galore!

[BB07]

Let's not forget WHY Arnie confessed this to Maria.........he was about to be outed by a LA paper and TMZ. I wonder who tipped the paper off, anyone know?

[Mimolicious]

Omg please don't judge me for being involved with a married man but it's fair game to judge someone on looks?

 

 

Come on now! Can we all agree that the OW in this case, is NOT attractive? Neither is Arnold, but we are not blind.

[greengoddess]

Just like the women on plantations had a good job....sheesh

 

 

well it was just reported she made $1,200. a week. Yup $62,000 a year is slave labor and only illegals and weak women who can be preyed upon by powerful men would do a job such as this.

 

Geeez I hate when people stereotype people because of a job held.

 

Damn my trashman is actually a classy guy making a lot of money with a lot more going on financially then collecting trash but he loves the pension he will get one day from the job he took when he was young before he graduated college.

 

OPEN YOUR EYES and do not judge people buy the job they hold.

[Mimolicious]

I agree with what you write, but I wonder how the media got hold of some of the pictures. The ones of the OW and the OW with her son appear to have been posted by her on the web a number of years ago - so those are no surprise. However, the ones of her and Arnold together in Arnold and Maria's home do not seem to appear anywhere on the web and have been labelled "exclusive to TMZ". These pictures (of the two of them dancing or embracing at Christmas, along with one of Arnold's and Maria's children as a toddler) would appear to humiliate Maria and make the OW look like a real competitor to Maria in her own home. I don't see Arnold's PR at work in this as they just make him look more sleazy with respect to Maria.

 

SHE HAS A MYSPACE PAGE FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao::lmao:

 

BTW, I think we are beyond the days of the media (besides Enquire & Star) publishing bogus stories. Law-suits have come down way too hard on fabricated drama. Nowadays, a lot of what is put out there is mostly true. Gets few twists & turns because nobody wants to read a boring story but there's much truth behind the scandals. Look at John Edwards, Hulk Hogan, Charlie Sheen, Tiger Woods, and the list goes on...

[greengoddess]

Come on now! Can we all agree that the OW in this case, is NOT attractive? Neither is Arnold, but we are not blind.

 

 

Do you know how often I read on here that it is wrong to judge? We are judging people by ACTIONS and that is wrong??? I think that is the right thing to judge by but we get continuously scolded and yet you all judge on APPEARANCE which is beyond ones control. She looks good and well kept for what she was given to work with so who can judge that. What you can judge is her dispicable behavior though.

[whichwayisup]

Let's not forget WHY Arnie confessed this to Maria.........he was about to be outed by a LA paper and TMZ. I wonder who tipped the paper off, anyone know?

 

Because the OW threatened to sue him (don't know why, maybe for more money) and go public with their affair and their child.

[woinlove]

Let's not forget WHY Arnie confessed this to Maria.........he was about to be outed by a LA paper and TMZ. I wonder who tipped the paper off, anyone know?

 

It's being reported that it was the OW, Baena, but again the source is unnamed, so it may not be true. The only named source I've seen is Baena's former daughter-in-law, but she is just quoted as saying that Baena talked about how Maria unwittingly used Baena as a shoulder to cry on about Arnold's infidelities and and that Baena acted "giddy, like a little girl", when Arnold was discussed.

[Spark1111]

Do you know how often I read on here that it is wrong to judge? We are judging people by ACTIONS and that is wrong??? I think that is the right thing to judge by but we get continuously scolded and yet you all judge on APPEARANCE which is beyond ones control. She looks good and well kept for what she was given to work with so who can judge that. What you can judge is her dispicable behavior though.

 

I think this goes to stereotype that MM must cheat with younger and more attractive women.

 

I think it proves the point that they often affair down, because it is easier.

 

I think it also proves the point that for many affairs, the spouse is prettier and more accomplished.

 

Looks often have little to do with sex or attraction, believe it or not.

[Rose1977]

I think this goes to stereotype that MM must cheat with younger and more attractive women.

 

I think it proves the point that they often affair down, because it is easier.

 

I think it also proves the point that for many affairs, the spouse is prettier and more accomplished.

 

Looks often have little to do with sex or attraction, believe it or not.

 

 

I think it is about power as well. He couldn't "control" (not sure if that's the right word) Maria b/c she was raised in privelege and power. I don't know a lot about the OW but it would seem that she would be more easily impressed by someone of Arnold's stature and what he could offer her than a Kennedy would be.

[Mimolicious]

Do you know how often I read on here that it is wrong to judge? We are judging people by ACTIONS and that is wrong??? I think that is the right thing to judge by but we get continuously scolded and yet you all judge on APPEARANCE which is beyond ones control. She looks good and well kept for what she was given to work with so who can judge that. What you can judge is her dispicable behavior though.

 

 

You have never critiqued someone's look? Ok. Right.

 

Have you ever watched a competition? You know someone gets judged on an 'overall' performance, right? People are going to operate in all different ways, they are going to look many different ways, and someone will talk about it. That's life.

 

If you don't do it, then you are better than most people. It does happen though...

 

I want to bet that the minute the picture of the housekeeper was posted, millions of people had the same "WTF" reaction.

[greengoddess]

You have never critiqued someone's look? Ok. Right.

 

Have you ever watched a competition? You know someone gets judged on an 'overall' performance, right? People are going to operate in all different ways, they are going to look many different ways, and someone will talk about it. That's life.

 

If you don't do it, then you are better than most people. It does happen though...

 

I want to bet that the minute the picture of the housekeeper was posted, millions of people had the same "WTF" reaction.

 

Yes I have actually. Numerous times. I am just commenting how those love to scold if you judge someone on their actions of being an ow but then happily judge people on their looks.