thatone Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 yeah, exactly. as i stated earlier in this thread i have no problems at all with women in their 30s who never want children and are content to have their life with men consist of short to semi long term relationships and casual dating. i actually like such women, since i'm the same way. it's the ones who wake up one morning and decide that they want 180 degrees the opposite of what they are and complain when it doesn't fall in their lap that i have no sympathy for. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 yeah, exactly. as i stated earlier in this thread i have no problems at all with women in their 30s who never want children and are content to have their life with men consist of short to semi long term relationships and casual dating. i actually like such women, since i'm the same way. it's the ones who wake up one morning and decide that they want 180 degrees the opposite of what they are and complain when it doesn't fall in their lap that i have no sympathy for. I agree. I don't even have a problem with women who want to change courses but don't blame men and go around saying there are no good ones left when she had plenty of chances in the past to have one. Own your choices and take responsibility for the aftermath of those choices. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 How are they expendable? Without the man to care for the woman and child, they will not survive. (speaking from your anthropological view of course) And of course the woman gives back to the man. Both in providing him with children, preparing food and caring for him when he is ill. She provides the base so he can be strong enough to go out and kill that mastodon. Honestly, now that I think about it - I would rather go out and hunt the mastodon then go through childbirth back then. I think my chances of survival would be higher. Talk about expendable. So you don't expect your husband to care for you when you are ill? Tell me one benefit that a man gets from a woman that a woman doesn't expect to get from a man. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 It's not. Of course they can, it's part of their personal freedom. Of course they can then whine they don't find anyone they could've had when instead they preferred to go home with some random bodybuilder with a motorcycle and alot of STDs, that's part of their freedom of speech. She just shouldn't expect any sympathy from the men she didn't think were good enough for her when she was younger. I agree that those men don't owe those type of women anything but that doesn't mean that it is OK for those type of men to come on here and degrade them. Link to post Share on other sites
Jazzari Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 So you don't expect your husband to care for you when you are ill? Tell me one benefit that a man gets from a woman that a woman doesn't expect to get from a man. Huh? I thought we were talking about the days of cave men and mastodons? Things are very different today and much more balanced. Link to post Share on other sites
thatone Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I agree that those men don't owe those type of women anything but that doesn't mean that it is OK for those type of men to come on here and degrade them. one could argue that the truth is never degrading. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 one could argue that the truth is never degrading. and whose version of the truth are we talking about? Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I agree that those men don't owe those type of women anything but that doesn't mean that it is OK for those type of men to come on here and degrade them. Well it's her freedom of speech to whine, it's my freedom of speech to tell the world I think she's a whiner and has unreasonable expectations. I do agree that the tone of some people is ruder than it should be. Link to post Share on other sites
vsmini Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 yeah, exactly. as i stated earlier in this thread i have no problems at all with women in their 30s who never want children and are content to have their life with men consist of short to semi long term relationships and casual dating. i actually like such women, since i'm the same way. it's the ones who wake up one morning and decide that they want 180 degrees the opposite of what they are and complain when it doesn't fall in their lap that i have no sympathy for. Are you sure that's exactly what is happening with these people or is that just through the lens of a bitter perspective? I doubt men or women quite literally wake up one day and change themselves (you probably know that's impossible). People do change their minds on what they want. They live and they learn. Are you telling me that a man who "enjoyed" his twenties and slept around, met with different women, dated different women, questioned if he wanted kids after some time grew up and said he wanted kids and wanted to settle down? How on earth is that unreasonable? I could make a very silly argument following the lines of yours and say "It's not fair a man works hard in his twenties and thirties and neglects his time for making relationships work and then all of a sudden he wants to settle down." That's insane. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I could make a very silly argument following the lines of yours and say "It's not fair a man works hard in his twenties and thirties and neglects his time for making relationships work and then all of a sudden he wants to settle down." That's insane. How is that insane? Just because a guy decides to settle down, doesnt mean he wants to live a comfortable life staying home while being supported by a sugar momma. The problem with this woman is not that she wants to settle down. Its that she wants to settle down and find some guy who is willing to let her leech off him for the rest of her life while bringing nothing to the table. Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Old-fashioned men prefer old-fashioned women. The OP is clearly not an old fashioned woman. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 How is that insane? Just because a guy decides to settle down, doesnt mean he wants to live a comfortable life staying home while being supported by a sugar momma. The problem with this woman is not that she wants to settle down. Its that she wants to settle down and find some guy who is willing to let her leech off him for the rest of her life while bringing nothing to the table. Lordy, I grow so weary of reading over and over again how a woman who does not work married to a man who does is necessarily a "leech" with horrible intentions. Get over it, why don't you. There are hoards of women who have no intention of staying home and depending 100% upon the financial support of a man. Focus on them, rather than the others. Why won't you think about other points of view from your own? It's so boring to hear the same hateful drek spouted over, and over, and over. There are MEN who LIKE to have a woman at home! There are couples who prefer to have one of them physically with the kids if it's possible! There are extreme traditionalists galore where the man INSISTS that the woman may not work outside the home, though she might dearly wish to explore that. There are couples where one of them loves domesticity, the other loves their career, and they are financially able to accommodate both wishes! Even if a woman (or man, for that matter) is an opportunistic gold digger, it takes two people to go there. There are certainly benefits to the one doing the paying, if he or she chooses that role ... for example, they can have a lot of control. Why don't you forge the kind of reciprocity in your relationship that YOU would like to have, and have some respect for other peoples' choices? Link to post Share on other sites
Untouchable_Fire Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Angel, My brother is one of those guys. He actually just got married just last year. He waited for marriage and had a well established career. He is 29. He and his wife are very happy and in love. She works now but she will stay home with their children when the time comes. In 7 years he will be living in his car, while his x/wife and her new BF enjoy the fruits of his work. Sorry, but there is no marriage insurance. If someone came and told me of an investment where I had either a 50% chance of losing everything I own... or a 50% chance of keeping what I had.... I would think anyone taking that deal is retarded. However, I see men take it all the time... WTF? Link to post Share on other sites
vsmini Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 How is that insane? Just because a guy decides to settle down, doesnt mean he wants to live a comfortable life staying home while being supported by a sugar momma. The problem with this woman is not that she wants to settle down. Its that she wants to settle down and find some guy who is willing to let her leech off him for the rest of her life while bringing nothing to the table. I am sorry - do you really think staying at home with two kids is that comfortable? It's work! Just because a woman isn't sitting at desk signing dispositions or serving burgers doesn't mean she's a freeloader while taking care of kids. If done right, with care and effort - taking care of kids is an extremely demanding job. How ignorant of you to assume that raising kids is the equivalent to leeching off a man. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Even if a woman (or man, for that matter) is an opportunistic gold digger, it takes two people to go there. There are certainly benefits to the one doing the paying, if he or she chooses that role ... for example, they can have a lot of control. Yea, until the woman runs away with the child and half his assets and sticks child support and alimony up his arse. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I am sorry - do you really think staying at home with two kids is that comfortable? It's work! Just because a woman isn't sitting at desk signing dispositions or serving burgers doesn't mean she's a freeloader while taking care of kids. If done right, with care and effort - taking care of kids is an extremely demanding job. How ignorant of you to assume that raising kids is the equivalent to leeching off a man. Oh, come on, now. It's a proven fact that all full time parents are "leeches." So are housewives, or writers who haven't hit the big time (if they're married to a paycheck earner). Suck 'em dry! Then move on to the next juicy victim! Link to post Share on other sites
vsmini Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Oh, come on, now. It's a proven fact that all full time parents are "leeches." So are housewives, or writers who haven't hit the big time (if they're married to a paycheck earner). Suck 'em dry! Then move on to the next juicy victim! Seriously - are these bitter guys posting on experience. I feel like I'm in a bad, yet reversed, Lifetime Original Drama mini series. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Muse, you exude fear. All joking aside, a real fact is that for many families it is MORE economical for one parent to stay home than it is to pay for child care, with the added benefit of people raising their own children, if that's appealing for them. It's NOT all about "protecting" men from the evils of women. I mean, not for many of us. Link to post Share on other sites
vsmini Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 ^Hazard of the LS trade Bitter men have just as many rants and stones to throw as bitter women -most being completely silly and not even grounded in actual experience. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 In 7 years he will be living in his car, while his x/wife and her new BF enjoy the fruits of his work. Sorry, but there is no marriage insurance. If someone came and told me of an investment where I had either a 50% chance of losing everything I own... or a 50% chance of keeping what I had.... I would think anyone taking that deal is retarded. However, I see men take it all the time... WTF? Because a lot of men are uninformed about the true face of marriage. Society has taught women to marry for money for thousands of years. Parents teach their daughters to marry a man with good education and good career. On the other hand, parents dont teach their sons the same thing. So it takes a divorce for many men to learn that marriage is a business deal. And for some men, they still dont learn even after countless divorces. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Muse, you exude fear. All joking aside, a real fact is that for many families it is MORE economical for one parent to stay home than it is to pay for child care, with the added benefit of people raising their own children, if that's appealing for them. It's NOT all about "protecting" men from the evils of women. I mean, not for many of us. Perhaps if you are poor and uneducated working dead end job, thats true. But if you are educated, its better to put your education to use. Sooner or later your career will take off. And by the way, yes Im fearful. 50% of marriages end in divorce and the women get the children, alimony, and child support. Edited May 26, 2011 by musemaj11 Link to post Share on other sites
vsmini Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Perhaps if you are poor and uneducated working dead end job, thats true. But if you are educated, its better to put your education to use. Sooner or later your career will take off. That's what I did. I can support myself. So if I can support myself on my own and the guy I choose to be with can support himself on his own and we BOTH sign a pre-nup before walking down the aisle......is there really anything left to argue? Don't forget some people have this little thing called love - that does play a factor for MEN too. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 That's what I did. I can support myself. So if I can support myself on my own and the guy I choose to be with can support himself on his own and we BOTH sign a pre-nup before walking down the aisle......is there really anything left to argue? Nope. Thats a fair business deal. Link to post Share on other sites
Untouchable_Fire Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Muse, you exude fear. All joking aside, a real fact is that for many families it is MORE economical for one parent to stay home than it is to pay for child care, with the added benefit of people raising their own children, if that's appealing for them. It's NOT all about "protecting" men from the evils of women. I mean, not for many of us. Personally... I think our entire country would benefit enormously by having one parent devote more time to child rearing. Also... why is it that feminist organizations only care about abortion and equal pay? Women of America would benefit 1000 times more from lowering the cost a daycare $10 a month. Actually there are tons of things that would help women more than fighting for the same BS they fought for back in the 1960's. I think the womens movement needs to unhook themselves from the liberal bandwagon because it leaves them wandering lost in the desert for the last 40 years. Not to say they should be conservative... but that they should split it up so both parties must fight for their votes. Because a lot of men are uninformed about the true face of marriage. Society has taught women to marry for money for thousands of years. Parents teach their daughters to marry a man with good education and good career. On the other hand, parents dont teach their sons the same thing. So it takes a divorce for many men to learn that marriage is a business deal. And for some men, they still dont learn even after countless divorces. Every man knows what divorce is like... unless you marry at 16 or something. Maybe we are just all positive thinkers and go into it believing... "Ok... this one won't cheat... I picked a better one this time." The flaw is that they are still fishing in the same polluted pond. Stop dating American women... unless you truly find a jewel! Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Every man knows what divorce is like... unless you marry at 16 or something. Maybe we are just all positive thinkers and go into it believing... "Ok... this one won't cheat... I picked a better one this time." The flaw is that they are still fishing in the same polluted pond. Stop dating American women... unless you truly find a jewel! Well, every man who gets married thinks that he has found that jewel. Link to post Share on other sites
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