Do you think visiting prostitutes (paid sex) is wrong?

[musemaj11]

 

I don't like the idea of a cat-house either. Simply because the woman has to give a portion of her earnings to the owner. I saw about 10 minutes of the Tyra show where the girls of the mustang ranch or something and the bald white guy who ran it were the guests. One of the girls said that she has to give the guy 50% of her earning and in exchange he "promotes" her.

 

It would be much smarter for a girl to just promote herself online and keep all her profits. But of course that's illegal.

The Nevada brothel owners can do whatever they want with their employees due to lack of competition. If brothels sprang up everywhere, they would have to be fairer with their staff if they didnt want them to switch ranch.

[RecordProducer]

If gold digging is legal, why prostitution is not? There is hardly any difference between the two and out of all people you should very well know.

Oh, and why is it that I should very well know? Because I want to have a husband who matches all my criteria, whom I will love, and who will have an equal earning power as me? You compare that to some low life who lets the ugly guys that nobody wants to piss on her face for money? Sure, no difference at all.

 

And why would you care about gold diggers anyway? Are you trying to date a wealthy woman and it bothers you that they don't want YOU? Men talk about hot chicks all the time, compelling women to use makeup, spas, hair salons, plastic surgery - just to be pretty for men. So, the reverse should apply to you: women are attracted to guys who have a real job, so do your homework and get a degree.

 

I would sincerely admire the young, beautiful woman who makes a six-figure income and is happy to marry the guy whose only income comes from him selling his old comic collection on ebay - if you can find a woman like that!

 

I am always stuned to hear how men think women shouldn't care about money, about baldness, about physical beauty altogether, about the man's career... Is there anything we're allowed to consider as a criterion at all? Quite frankly, if all we cared about were brains, sense of humor and good-heartedness, most men would NEVER get any chance at all. So, they should be happy that some superficial traits can make up for their more unchageable flaws.

 

Besides, it's not a matter of gold digging at all - it's a deeply rooted antropological instinct to be attracted to the male who can provide for the little ones. Saying that women should reverse hundreds of thousands of years worth instincts is like men should start delivering babies - why should women only go through that trouble? We've blended our roles and today women earn money and men take care of babies, but if anything, a guy should feel lucky if a woman can contribute financially just like women DO consider themselves lucky if their guys take care of the children. The regular question posed to every single mother is: Is there father still around? Because it's so socially accepted (not acceptable) that many men just won't be around once they dump their wives.

[Woggle]

Why is still accepted as fact that it is mostly men dumping their wives? The overwhelming majority of divorces are initiated by women plus single motherhood has sort of become cool these days as some statement of independence. There are deadbeat dads but don't put all the blame on men for the current state of affairs.

 

I think that some women resent prostitution because when a man sees one he knows the score. He knows it is a woman having sex with him for his money and if he doesn't want more sex he doesn't have to give anymore money. It is an honest transaction unlike gold diggers who pretend to love their husbands only to dump him and take all his money.

[Kriss]

As long as you are going to have to pay for sex it might as well be with professionals (prostitutes) rather than amateurs (all other women).

[Emissary]

It's ok, but at the same time it's wrong to do.

 

The practice of finding a consenting adult to have sex with you for money is completely ok as long as you're not religious or something.

 

But at the same time, we must consider that in general prostitutes are broken people, and they don't want to be doing this, and while it may seem like they're getting a lot of money out of this, they're not, in most cases just about every penny goes to the pimp, they get just barely enough to get by and often with the extreme need to cut corners financially to still get by even then. A lot of these people are trapped, they're trapped in a lifestyle they never wanted, and by "visiting" them you are supporting their pimp's twisted trade, by supporting the pimps you are tightening their hold on the prostitutes, they will never let them go so long as they're making good money in the process.

 

If things change and the governments finally act to move the prostitutes from the streets and into sanctioned brothels, then it will be ok. I still reckon many of them might not want to be doing it, but they're not trapped, they have the oppurtunity to build themselves up and move onto something better, and they're at least getting something out of it while there.

[Woggle]

It's ok, but at the same time it's wrong to do.

 

The practice of finding a consenting adult to have sex with you for money is completely ok as long as you're not religious or something.

 

But at the same time, we must consider that in general prostitutes are broken people, and they don't want to be doing this, and while it may seem like they're getting a lot of money out of this, they're not, in most cases just about every penny goes to the pimp, they get just barely enough to get by and often with the extreme need to cut corners financially to still get by even then. A lot of these people are trapped, they're trapped in a lifestyle they never wanted, and by "visiting" them you are supporting their pimp's twisted trade, by supporting the pimps you are tightening their hold on the prostitutes, they will never let them go so long as they're making good money in the process.

 

If things change and the governments finally act to move the prostitutes from the streets and into sanctioned brothels, then it will be ok. I still reckon many of them might not want to be doing it, but they're not trapped, they have the oppurtunity to build themselves up and move onto something better, and they're at least getting something out of it while there.

 

You actually make the case for legalization.

[somedude81]

Or he could just beat her up, but in any case he won't get the sex so why waste his fist on her face and risk to be scratched and discovered by his lovely wife.

Uh, you seem to have missed the fallowing sentence of my post that you quoted. Where I mention if the man gets violent.

 

You feel free to attach a price tag on your mother, wife, sister, daughter... In the meanwhile, I have absolutely no value since sex with me has always been free.

I don't consider women in my family to be "girls." I'm not trying to form relationships or have sex with them.

 

You also misunderstood what I meant by value. Putting it in another way, most women think they are too good for me and don't give me a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% rejected me simply because I'm 5'6.

Which, of course, men cannot do now, right?

Cost.

 

For a lot of men, $200 to have sex is just not an option. But if it was only $30, then that's a whole different ballgame.

Why are you calling it *free* pussy? Is it about the money, are you too indigent to pay? Or is it because it's just generally difficult to find a suitable love/sex partner?

It's extremely difficult for me to find a partner. I've been rejected more times than I'd care to remember. My whole life I've only been hurt by women.

 

I'm almost 30 and I haven't been in a single relationship. Escorts have been my primary source of sex. Right now I really want to get laid. Unfortunately all the girls I've liked and asked out this year have rejected me. I also can't afford to spend $200 on an hour of fun. Rent and food is more important.

 

But at the same time, we must consider that in general prostitutes are broken people, and they don't want to be doing this, and while it may seem like they're getting a lot of money out of this, they're not, in most cases just about every penny goes to the pimp, they get just barely enough to get by and often with the extreme need to cut corners financially to still get by even then. A lot of these people are trapped, they're trapped in a lifestyle they never wanted, and by "visiting" them you are supporting their pimp's twisted trade, by supporting the pimps you are tightening their hold on the prostitutes, they will never let them go so long as they're making good money in the process.

I hope you know you're only talking about streetwalkers.

 

Any woman can post an ad on craigslist or on an escort classified list. Men call her up and make appointments. No pimp needed. Take out the cost of the hotel and all the rest is her profit. As long as she is selective about her clients, she will be generally safe. Of course having prostitution legal would make things even safer.

 

BTW, a brothel owner is a pimp...

[PhillyDude]

Uh, you seem to have missed the fallowing sentence of my post that you quoted. Where I mention if the man gets violent.

 

I don't consider women in my family to be "girls." I'm not trying to form relationships or have sex with them.

 

You also misunderstood what I meant by value. Putting it in another way, most women think they are too good for me and don't give me a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% rejected me simply because I'm 5'6.

Cost.

 

For a lot of men, $200 to have sex is just not an option. But if it was only $30, then that's a whole different ballgame.It's extremely difficult for me to find a partner. I've been rejected more times than I'd care to remember. My whole life I've only been hurt by women.

 

I'm almost 30 and I haven't been in a single relationship. Escorts have been my primary source of sex. Right now I really want to get laid. Unfortunately all the girls I've liked and asked out this year have rejected me. I also can't afford to spend $200 on an hour of fun. Rent and food is more important.

 

 

I hope you know you're only talking about streetwalkers.

 

Any woman can post an ad on craigslist or on an escort classified list. Men call her up and make appointments. No pimp needed. Take out the cost of the hotel and all the rest is her profit. As long as she is selective about her clients, she will be generally safe. Of course having prostitution legal would make things even safer.

 

BTW, a brothel owner is a pimp...

 

 

Exactly, Craiglist is a great place to meet women who can help you relieve stress.

[somedude81]

Exactly, Craiglist is a great place to meet women who can help you relieve stress.

Already tried that. Most are fake. Or they want money. Or they have ridiculous requirments. Or they are butt ugly.

[RecordProducer]

You also misunderstood what I meant by value. Putting it in another way, most women think they are too good for me and don't give me a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% rejected me simply because I'm 5'6.

Oh. Sorry to hear that. Got your point.

 

Cost.

For a lot of men, $200 to have sex is just not an option. But if it was only $30

Dude, do you really think sex in the US could cost $30 (plus tax)? If she worked 4 hours per day, 30 days per month, she'd make $3,600 a month. She can make more at almost any other job, including cleaning!

[PhillyDude]

Already tried that. Most are fake. Or they want money. Or they have ridiculous requirments. Or they are butt ugly.

 

 

You have to be creative. I was able to get a pretty woman to see me every other week for $50. It will take me to be extra creative to get a woman to come here for free.

[PhillyDude]

Oh. Sorry to hear that. Got your point.

 

Dude, do you really think sex in the US could cost $30 (plus tax)? If she worked 4 hours per day, 30 days per month, she'd make $3,600 a month. She can make more at almost any other job, including cleaning!

 

It's only 30 dollars when they are attracted to you.

[somedude81]

Oh. Sorry to hear that. Got your point.

 

Dude, do you really think sex in the US could cost $30 (plus tax)? If she worked 4 hours per day, 30 days per month, she'd make $3,600 a month. She can make more at almost any other job, including cleaning!

Yeah $30 is very low and I don't know how a woman can support herself, it's just a number I saw in the article I listed.

 

Right now though, a woman who charges $200 an hour can make $2,000 in a month if she only see's 10 clients in that month. That's a lot of money for only 10 hours of "work."

 

You have to be creative. I was able to get a pretty woman to see me every other week for $50. It will take me to be extra creative to get a woman to come here for free.

Eh, if I was creative enough to do that, I'd have no problem dating girls

[Disillusioned]

Keeping it illegal has not stopped it so why not legalize it and make sure the woman are protected and paid well? This is much better than woman being abused by pimps. It is between consenting adults and there is no point in keeping it illegal. Also there is no difference between a gold digger and a prostitute except that the latter is more honest.

 

I agree. Wiki even has a map of countries where prostitution is legal but pimping is not. I do think pimping should be illegal if prostitution was legal here in all states.

[Shaun-Dro]

Let me explain it to you again so you will understand. In my early 20's, I met a girl off a telephone dating service and went to her house and we had sex. The next morning she made me breakfast. The only money I spent was the transortation to get to where she lived.

 

Well, she's not your average money-grubbing smut. She probably wanted a boyfriend or FWB from you, that's why you got off the hook. If you kept up that practice, you'd be paying through your nostrils eventually. You're not that good-looking as to be immune to not paying these dames, unless of course, you were Superman and Batman or anything other make-believe character of fiction.

[Mark11]

No, there is absolutely nothing wrong with visiting prozzies and paying for or selling sex. It's natural. I've been traveling the world visiting prostitutes for almost 8 years. You pay for pretty much everything else in life: food, accomodation, phone, internet, entertainment, transportation, fun, leisure, everything. But all of a sudden, it's morally wrong when someone pays for or sells sex? Something wrong with that picture.

 

It's illegal in all the states outside Nevada, although it was legal in Rhode Island up until 2009 (it had been legal there for almost 30 years). In alot of other countries it's either legal in some form or at least tolerated, because law enforcement realizes they have bigger fish to fry and there are better ways to use the taxpayers money. The posts on the first few pages were right about how the primary reason it's illegal here is because of religious nutjob bible thumpers. A person has a right to live there life any way they wish as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or infringe on anyone else's freedom. And the u.s. govt and law enforcement will never eradicate prostitution, it still happens and will still happen. There are no longer escort ads on craigslist, but there are tons of other websites to find reliable well reviewed providers.

 

Most other countries are more liberal and realize prostitution isn't that bad, or at least that it's not worth using taxpayers good money for vice squads, sting operations, and john schools. The past several years, I've been to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, and Tijuana. And in all of those places (not sure about Argentina), it is legal in some form.

 

It is legal in Nevada, but those brothel ranches aren't worth attending. One girl there told me it would be $800 for one hour! I aint rich. I think they make it that expensive on purpose too. In the only state where it's legal, it's too expensive to pay for and in all the other states, it's risky. I think it's america's way of saying "We have a state for that where it's legal, but you still shouldn't pay for it". Or maybe that only the rich should pay for it. After all America is a very pro-capitalist society.

 

The other thing is that criminalization of prostitution makes it risky for the john and the hooker. Obviously there's the legal risk for both parties. For the provider, there is a risk of being raped, and she can't go to the police. For the john, there's also a risk of being ripped off by the hooker. Because since it's illegal, she doesn't have to tell him what he's getting for his money. So both parties have to be really discreet about their visit to avoid getting busted.

 

And yes, providers do charge to much, and usually it doesn't last long enough. It's really expensive to pay for anything more than one hour.

 

People also have this idea that prostitution spreads std's. Prostitution doesn't spread std's. Sex does. And even more so, unprotected sex. I don't know about crack whores and street hookers, because I don't use those. But most escorts and brothel girls will not have sex with a guy without the condom and they get tested regularly since they also have to protect themselves. I didn't want this post to be so long, I just had alot to say.

 

Also I don't know about everyone else, but when I visit prostitutes, I'm not just paying for sex, I'm paying for companionship.

[PhillyDude]

No, there is absolutely nothing wrong with visiting prozzies and paying for or selling sex. It's natural. I've been traveling the world visiting prostitutes for almost 8 years. You pay for pretty much everything else in life: food, accomodation, phone, internet, entertainment, transportation, fun, leisure, everything. But all of a sudden, it's morally wrong when someone pays for or sells sex? Something wrong with that picture.

 

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It's illegal in all the states outside Nevada, although it was legal in Rhode Island up until 2009 (it had been legal there for almost 30 years). In alot of other countries it's either legal in some form or at least tolerated, because law enforcement realizes they have bigger fish to fry and there are better ways to use the taxpayers money. The posts on the first few pages were right about how the primary reason it's illegal here is because of religious nutjob bible thumpers. A person has a right to live there life any way they wish as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or infringe on anyone else's freedom. And the u.s. govt and law enforcement will never eradicate prostitution, it still happens and will still happen. There are no longer escort ads on craigslist, but there are tons of other websites to find reliable well reviewed providers.

 

Most other countries are more liberal and realize prostitution isn't that bad, or at least that it's not worth using taxpayers good money for vice squads, sting operations, and john schools. The past several years, I've been to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, and Tijuana. And in all of those places (not sure about Argentina), it is legal in some form.

 

It is legal in Nevada, but those brothel ranches aren't worth attending. One girl there told me it would be $800 for one hour! I aint rich. I think they make it that expensive on purpose too. In the only state where it's legal, it's too expensive to pay for and in all the other states, it's risky. I think it's america's way of saying "We have a state for that where it's legal, but you still shouldn't pay for it". Or maybe that only the rich should pay for it. After all America is a very pro-capitalist society.

 

The other thing is that criminalization of prostitution makes it risky for the john and the hooker. Obviously there's the legal risk for both parties. For the provider, there is a risk of being raped, and she can't go to the police. For the john, there's also a risk of being ripped off by the hooker. Because since it's illegal, she doesn't have to tell him what he's getting for his money. So both parties have to be really discreet about their visit to avoid getting busted.

 

And yes, providers do charge to much, and usually it doesn't last long enough. It's really expensive to pay for anything more than one hour.

 

People also have this idea that prostitution spreads std's. Prostitution doesn't spread std's. Sex does. And even more so, unprotected sex. I don't know about crack whores and street hookers, because I don't use those. But most escorts and brothel girls will not have sex with a guy without the condom and they get tested regularly since they also have to protect themselves. I didn't want this post to be so long, I just had alot to say.

 

Also I don't know about everyone else, but when I visit prostitutes, I'm not just paying for sex, I'm paying for companionship.

 

 

The last time I checked the Bunny Rtanch in Nevada was only for rich men not regular working men.

[musemaj11]

Oh. Sorry to hear that. Got your point.

 

Dude, do you really think sex in the US could cost $30 (plus tax)? If she worked 4 hours per day, 30 days per month, she'd make $3,600 a month. She can make more at almost any other job, including cleaning!

$30/hour working a job that requires no education is a lot of money.

[Mark11]

And the other thing is americans keep proudly and impudently saying this is the freest country in the world. And criminalized prostitution is just one of the obvious examples of the righteous freedoms that other nations legally have without fear of persecution that we don't. My long term goal after college is actually to immigrate overseas. I would do it now but it's hard to immigrate to a country.

Edited May 29, 2011 by Mark11

[RecordProducer]

I've been traveling the world visiting prostitutes for almost 8 years.

Don't put that on your resume.

they get tested regularly since they also have to protect themselves.

I never knew getting tested was a way of protecting yourself. Why are they getting tested again if they're so safe?

 

Also I don't know about everyone else, but when I visit prostitutes, I'm not just paying for sex, I'm paying for companionship.

You know, paying for sex at least makes sense: you're horny, you want it, you can't get it or you want something twisted, so you order a hooker.

 

But paying for companionship is actually very sad. What meaningful companionship could you possibly have with a stranger who will do whatever you want and say whatever you want to hear, for an hour, for your money? A puppet-woman who will never care to know you? Is this a power and control issue - so typical for commitment phobes?

[sanskrit]

I never knew getting tested was a way of protecting yourself.

 

Now you know, it is. Most STDs if caught very early, are nbd. It's when they are allowed to thrive for a period that they get dangerous.

[Mark11]

Don't put that on your resume.

 

Shut up wise a$$.

 

I never knew getting tested was a way of protecting yourself. Why are they getting tested again if they're so safe?

 

At least if you get tested, you will know that you don't have anything, or if you do have something, what it is and how to get treated for it. Everyone who is sexually active, whether the sex is paid for or not should get tested. Didn't they teach you that in high school? In that case no one who is sexually active is "safe", because most ppl with decency and common sense would know to get tested for std's. Are u sexually active? Lemme guess, you think you're "safe" and that your partners are, so you've never been tested? You're not making sense now.

 

You know, paying for sex at least makes sense: you're horny, you want it, you can't get it or you want something twisted, so you order a hooker.

But paying for companionship is actually very sad. What meaningful companionship could you possibly have with a stranger who will do whatever you want and say whatever you want to hear, for an hour, for your money? A puppet-woman who will never care to know you? Is this a power and control issue - so typical for commitment phobes?

 

Paying for companionship is not sad. You didn't read my first paragraph about how ppl pay for everything anyway. If only you knew, I've had some great memorable experiences with providers. And I'm not a commitment phobe. You don't know me, so don't pretend to.

[Mark11]

Rec. Producer, the other parts of my response are in between paragraphs in your response when I quoted you.

[sanskrit]

What meaningful companionship could you possibly have with a stranger who will do whatever you want and say whatever you want to hear, for an hour, for your money?

 

Can't count on both hands and feet the number of times I'd rather have had an escort as a date than the woman I had. Escorts probably don't get drunk and throw up in your floorboard, stay in the ladies room for hours doing blow with some party girl they met and then freak out and act like they are having a heart attack, try to stir jealousy games up with other party guests, pass out in the coat room for all to see, make stupid or even racist comments around your boss, go off and "hide" somewhere expecting you to find them and then whine and act out when you don't, go in the bathroom for 45 minutes alone, won't come out and when you go in there after people start to get angry, she's laying wrapped around the toilet half naked, projectile vomit on couches, etc.

 

And to preempt what I know is coming next, they were often 2-3rd dates and I almost never had any indication they were going to act like that.

Edited May 29, 2011 by sanskrit

[RecordProducer]

And the other thing is americans keep proudly and impudently saying this is the freest country in the world. And criminalized prostitution is just one of the obvious examples of the righteous freedoms that other nations legally have without fear of persecution that we don't.

Oh, that's nothing that the US criminalized prostitution. They've criminalized all kinds of things: murder, rape, burglary... you name it. Can't do anything freely in this country.

 

I too am thinking about immigrating to El Salvador or Honduras. No such restrictions exist there, buddy; it's full freedom, you can do whatever you want.