Do you think visiting prostitutes (paid sex) is wrong?

[Mark11]

Oh, that's nothing that the US criminalized prostitution. They've criminalized all kinds of things: murder, rape, burglary... you name it. Can't do anything freely in this country.

 

I too am thinking about immigrating to El Salvador or Honduras. No such restrictions exist there, buddy; it's full freedom, you can do whatever you want.

 

Yeah that is nothing. You strike me as a naive conservative yank who's never left the u.s., so you probably think other countries don't have freedom but they do. Just imagine. Canada, OZ, NZ, Brazil, Mexico and a ton of other places have in fact criminalized murder, rape, and burglary, but consentual sex and companionship for pay is legal. And you're not proving a point with your sarcastic comments. You can't compare Murder, rape, or burglary (things that harm people) to prostitution. Even here prostitution is only considered a misdemeanor as opposed to the others which are clear felonies.

 

And while you're making comparisons to other countries, why don't you compare the states to other first world industrialized nations rather than Honduras and El Salvador. I'd say that's more of a fair comparison wouldn't you. Who would've thought with all your conservatism, you could learn something today? Next time you post something, get some facts and make sure it makes sense.

[Feelin Frisky]

My policy is this: I don't avail myself of prostitutes. I don't think it should be my business other than that if anyone else does. Ergo, I'm not in favor of continued criminalization as that represents the intrusion by some part of society into the lives of other parts. It would be best if we come out of the dark ages and get real with the fact that it will always go on and by criminalizing it we keep people from healthful practices. Also, right now there is a world of a new kind of prostitution which IMO society needs to recognize and understand i.e. the relatively new practice of college age women selling themselves as high priced escorts by way of Internet pimps. I've seen some investigative reporting on it and its happening quite a lot with millions of dollars involved. By keeping this all illegal and un-regulated society does not know how prostitution is changing to potentially penetrate into the lives of many females who in other times might be thought to represent some of the "best and brightest". What happens when education costs so much girls pay for it by being sex workers for rich internationals? What is college for then? How do these women get out of the life and reintegrate? Do they? By simply calling it all illegal society keeps it all secret and that needs to change for the good of women and our future generations.

[carhill]

Mark, take a look at this link. R_P was there. She's seen more of the world than you think.

 

On-topic, having shared space with street prostitutes back when blow-jobs were 20 bucks, I'd opine different strokes for different folks. I found the johns kinda sad, but the services and compensation seemed a fair trade. I did get tired of sweeping up condoms and syringes in the parking lot. This was back when HIV first became known here in the U.S.

[Mark11]

Mark, take a look at this link. R_P was there. She's seen more of the world than you think.

 

I could care less. I didn't check the link. I said that because she made a stupid sarcastic remark which compared prostitution to the likes of murder, rape, and burglary. Most people know there isn't a comparison.

[RecordProducer]

Here's what I think is an insult to a woman's dignity:

Please explain what precisely was the insult.

 

Presuming to tell a woman what she can and cannot want. I dare you to read anything by Brooke Magnanti and say that she didn't choose prostitution as a career of her own volition.

And you go read about Kurt Cobain and then tell me murder victims didn't want to be killed! You're giving me some wild exception of a person you likely don't know personally as a typical example that women love to be prostitutes? I didn't say that didn't make a conscious decision to sell themselves. You make a conscious decision to have an open heart surgery - but only because your other options are pretty awful. Most prostitutes are severely messed up, come from broken families, have been dragged around, beaten and raped multiple times (not their fault, but shows an unhealthy mindset more prone to making undignified decisions). Please don't tell me it's a job like any other until you're ready to sell your butt to some stinky old guy for money. I don't judge the girls who do that, I think nobody should ever think about selling themselves. You men are all hypocrites because none of you would like their mom or sister or daughter or wife to be prostitute - nor would YOU do it. All you can come up with is "Well they want my body and they want my money." No, they hate your body but they need your money.

 

It's insulting and antifeminist to claim that there are some things that women just cannot want, or cannot choose, simply because you wouldn't want them or choose them and think they're icky.

Of course, I am so ignorant, I don't know anything except for what I know about myself. I also think nobody would want to be a doctor because I wouldn't want to be one, right?

 

$30/hour working a job that requires no education is a lot of money.

You're right because education is the primary factor in the entertainment business! I suppose you'd pay more for an educated hooker?

 

"Hi, I'd like to order a hooker for 487 Walnut Street, I want a neurosurgeon who graduated summa cum laude."

 

Now you know, it is. Most STDs if caught very early, are nbd. It's when they are allowed to thrive for a period that they get dangerous.

I was talking about HIV, herpes, hepatitis B and C. Those don't get cured if caught early. Just making sure YOU know that.

 

Paying for companionship is not sad. You didn't read my first paragraph about how ppl pay for everything anyway.

I did read it (I don't read from the bottom up and then stop half-way, ya know ). Yes, I paid for my car but not because I asked other cars to date me and they didn't think I was cute enough. A car is made to be sold - a woman's body was not. You know, comparing a woman's body to commercial products is really sad. Some things just shouldn't be for sale.

 

If only you knew, I've had some great memorable experiences with providers.

I like how you call them providers as if they're phone companies!

You don't know me

Thank God.

 

Can't count on both hands and feet the number of times I'd rather have had an escort as a date than the woman I had. Escorts probably don't get drunk and throw up in your floorboard, stay in the ladies room for hours doing blow with some party girl they met and then freak out and act like they are having a heart attack, try to stir jealousy games up with other party guests, pass out in the coat room for all to see, make stupid or even racist comments around your boss, go off and "hide" somewhere expecting you to find them and then whine and act out when you don't, go in the bathroom for 45 minutes alone, won't come out and when you go in there after people start to get angry, she's laying wrapped around the toilet half naked, projectile vomit on couches, etc.

And to preempt what I know is coming next, they were often 2-3rd dates and I almost never had any indication they were going to act like that.

Oh, gosh, Sanskrit, you seriously need to apply some filters when choosing your dates.

[carhill]

I could care less. I didn't check the link. I said that because she made a stupid sarcastic remark which compared prostitution to the likes of murder, rape, and burglary. Most people know there isn't a comparison.

Did it occur to you that, in her native country (not the US), that the culture is different? Everyone's circumstances, both cultural and personal, are different. Witness those single young men in this thread who are frustrated with their love lives and see prostitutes as a viable alternative for sexual release. Back when I sweeping up those condoms and syringes and was still a virgin, I could easily have paid 20 bucks (two hours wages at that time) and lost my virginity without even leaving the building. Why didn't I do that? Never occurred to me. It's occurred to them. Different.

[somedude81]

I was talking about HIV, herpes, hepatitis B and C. Those don't get cured if caught early. Just making sure YOU know that.

Surely you know that that there are a lot more STD's out there that are curable.

 

Just because some are not curable, doesn't mean one shouldn't get tested.

[Mark11]

 

I did read it (I don't read from the bottom up and then stop half-way, ya know ). Yes, I paid for my car but not because I asked other cars to date me and they didn't think I was cute enough. A car is made to be sold - a woman's body was not. You know, comparing a woman's body to commercial products is really sad. Some things just shouldn't be for sale.

 

I like how you call them providers as if they're phone companies!

Thank God.

 

Actually you're the one comparing women's bodies' to commercial products not me:p. You're the one who made an inappropriate, invalid analogy between cars and women. Looks like the conservative feminist is contradicting herself:D. A car is not a living thing that can think for itself and make decisions on whether it wants to be sold or not. Just in case you didn't know, a woman is a living being that can CHOOSE, if she wants to sell her time, companionship, and her body. That's the difference between objects and people:laugh:. If you don't think women should be selling themselves, that's your opinion, but that's all it is. Don't try to come on here and preach your stupid morals as if they are facts.

 

And actually the prostitutes call themselves "SP's" as in Sex providers. They prefer to be called that rather than hooker or prostitute because of the social stigma that's assigned to it.

 

As far as thanking god you don't know me, well I'm glad to hear we finally agree on something.

[Mark11]

Did it occur to you that, in her native country (not the US), that the culture is different? Everyone's circumstances, both cultural and personal, are different. Witness those single young men in this thread who are frustrated with their love lives and see prostitutes as a viable alternative for sexual release. Back when I sweeping up those condoms and syringes and was still a virgin, I could easily have paid 20 bucks (two hours wages at that time) and lost my virginity without even leaving the building. Why didn't I do that? Never occurred to me. It's occurred to them. Different.

 

Well I know cultures are different in every country. And I for sure know that everyone's circumstances are different. That's what I was explaining on my first post on the board. In case you didn't know, I am one of those single young men you were talking about. That's why I'm defending this topic against your conservative friend who just bashes prostitutes and the men you visit them.

[RecordProducer]

the fact that it will always go on and by criminalizing it we keep people from healthful practices.

ALL criminalized behavior will always go on and on. That's not a reason to legalize it. The lawmakers only legalize stuff that the society (which is their very constituents) has come to accept as kosher. Usually it's championed by lobbyist, civil rights organizations, etc. Anyone from your local soccer moms to law societies, to Congress gets involved in writing opinions and reports. I am not telling you anything you don't already know.

 

I can't envision who would lobby for legalizing prostitution. The clients who use prostitutes - those well-respected citizens, married with daughters?

 

By simply calling it all illegal society keeps it all secret and that needs to change for the good of women and our future generations.

Do you really think prostitutes, especially the ones you mention - college girls - would ever want to be out of the closet about it? Do you think their clients would want that? Or you think the women should be out and exposed, but they should keep a secret of who the clients are?

 

Prostitution is the fun for rich men; for those same lawmakers, politicians, celebrities, heirs, writers, plastic surgeons... That's a billion-dollar business, and it's done in top secrecy to keep everyone happy. Everyone that counts.

[zlatnapolja]

So again, if the expectation or end result is sex couldn't it be argued that we are simply discussing payoff?

 

Are you expecting sex when you buy a girl a drink?

[Titania22]

What I don't get with this topic, is that if Australia is #3 for rape, and prostitution is legal, what's the cause of all the rape?

[Jynxx]

Are you expecting sex when you buy a girl a drink?

I don't, but let me put it his way:

if I knew there was 0% chance of having sex with a girl, I wouldn't buy her a drink (obv doesn't count if we know each other, I'm hitting on one of her friends, etc.)

[zlatnapolja]

I don't, but let me put it his way:

if I knew there was 0% chance of having sex with a girl, I wouldn't buy her a drink (obv doesn't count if we know each other, I'm hitting on one of her friends, etc.)

 

Hehehe.. That sounds fair I guess.. You know whats funny though, guys often go to clubs with the idea of hooking up with a girl, some women avoid going to clubs because of guys bothering them while all they really want to do is dance!

 

But prostitution sounds like a good deal on both sides. Girl gets mentally ill, guy gets physically ill.

[somedude81]

Hehehe.. That sounds fair I guess.. You know whats funny though, guys often go to clubs with the idea of hooking up with a girl, some women avoid going to clubs because of guys bothering them while all they really want to do is dance!

All never understand that.

 

If all a girl wants to do is dance and not have guys hitting on her.

 

Go to a gay club.

[RecordProducer]

Actually you're the one comparing women's bodies' to commercial products not me . You're the one who made an inappropriate, invalid analogy between cars and women. Looks like the conservative feminist is contradicting herself . A car is not a living thing that can think for itself and make decisions on whether it wants to be sold or not.

You made EXACTLY the same point I made! You're telling me that cars are different from women, which I was telling YOU after you said we pay for everything, so why not for women? Because women are NOT cars! A car was made to sold, a woman was not. YOU are the one who compared women to a bunch of products including cars. Here:

No, there is absolutely nothing wrong with visiting prozzies and paying for or selling sex. It's natural. I've been traveling the world visiting prostitutes for almost 8 years. You pay for pretty much everything else in life: food, accomodation, phone, internet, entertainment, transportation, fun, leisure, everything. But all of a sudden, it's morally wrong when someone pays for or sells sex?

Don't try to come on here and preach your stupid morals as if they are facts.

I'll preach as much as I want, read the First Amendment, dude. Again, you're all hypocrites because you wouldn't bring any of these women to your friends or parents. You don't really respect them more than I respect my toilet paper. But maybe I'm wrong in which case I wish you to marry one of your "companionship providers" and live happily ever after. Oh, and you'll have a steady six-figure income if you can tolerate her long billable hours.

 

My morals are stupid -that's your opinion.

Your morals are stupid -that's a fact.

 

As far as thanking god you don't know me, well I'm glad to hear we finally agree on something.

I know, right. You're thanking god that no woman knows you cuz only god knows what she may dig out if she scratches the surface. :bunny:

[RecordProducer]

some women avoid going to clubs because of guys bothering them while all they really want to do is dance!

Um...letme slightly correct your statement: some women avoid clubs because of guys bothering them while all they really want is some better-looking guys to bother them!

 

(BTW, I am not talking about myself. I don't like clubs at all, and if I dance I like to dance with guys.)

 

But prostitution sounds like a good deal on both sides. Girl gets mentally ill, guy gets physically ill.

[Titania22]

Go to a gay club.

 

 

Do they have gay clubs, that play RnB and hiphop music, because that's what I like to dance to?

[sanskrit]

Oh, gosh, Sanskrit, you seriously need to apply some filters when choosing your dates.

 

Guess the "to preempt" part kinda blew past you, but nbd.

 

Forgot to mention those were all college-educated career women from well-off backgrounds over 30, no skeevies, skanks or hoochies. Sometimes I think the lower social strata of women may behave better today than the upper, going to find out one day.

 

If I hear one more "Upper East Side Sorority Shriek" nature call among the supposedly well-bred, my junk will probably shrink up inside my gut so far it will never come out again, alleviating the need to worry about "dating" going forward. Could be a blessing actually.

 

And that brings up another issue, so many American women behave like prostitutes these days, why the hell not make some cash for it? and how on Earth can you distinguish the average unpaid girls gone bad mattress back's STD cooties from the working girl's? Cooties is cooties.

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[Mark11]

You made EXACTLY the same point I made! You're telling me that cars are different from women, which I was telling YOU after you said we pay for everything, so why not for women? Because women are NOT cars! A car was made to sold, a woman was not. YOU are the one who compared women to a bunch of products including cars. Here:

 

I'll preach as much as I want, read the First Amendment, dude. Again, you're all hypocrites because you wouldn't bring any of these women to your friends or parents. You don't really respect them more than I respect my toilet paper. But maybe I'm wrong in which case I wish you to marry one of your "companionship providers" and live happily ever after. Oh, and you'll have a steady six-figure income if you can tolerate her long billable hours.

 

My morals are stupid -that's your opinion.

Your morals are stupid -that's a fact.

 

I know, right. You're thanking god that no woman knows you cuz only god knows what she may dig out if she scratches the surface. :bunny:

 

Actually no, I wasn't making the same argument as you. You were comparing cars to women, because you were saying cars are made to be bought, not women. I was not comparing cars or any other object to women. I was saying how ppl pay for everything else they have in their life, so how can it be immoral to pay for time, companionship, or sex? It doesn't make sense:laugh:. A car was made to be driven. The fact that it is sold is a decision by the company who makes them. And the car isn't a living being that can decide if it wants to sell itself, so it can't make a choice. A woman can make a choice if she wants to sell herself. It is your opinion that women shouldn't sell themselves, although it is the wrong opinion, because ppl can live how they please as long as it doesn't affect others. And furthermore I was saying cars can't be compared to women because women and people in general are living beings and can choose what they want to do and how they live their lives:D.

 

Yes you can preach all you want and use the first amendment as an excuse even though you're wrong and alot of ppl on here have told you that;). But you're stubborn and ignorant and your logic is misplaced. And yes you are wrong. I'd bring some of them to my friends and family, although that doesn't mean I'd marry them. You and your conservatism are less respectable than toilet paper.

 

I think what you mean is your opinions and logic are stupid and misplaced and that's a fact:).

 

No toots, ya see there are plenty of women that know me. I'm just glad that you don't because I don't associate with ignorant conservatives who don't know facts:p.

[RecordProducer]

Guess the "to preempt" part kinda blew past you, but nbd.

Ooohhh, sorry, I didn't realize this was what you wanted to preempt.

 

Forgot to mention those were all college-educated career women from well-off backgrounds over 30, no skeevies, skanks or hoochies.

Why don't you just use your opportunity? For $30 you can't get a slimey hooker, but you can buy enough martinis for a sexually desperate career woman. Sounds good to me! (and I'm not talking about pulling their skirts up while they're passed out hugging the toilet - just talking about using the unleashed inhibitions. It may work or not.)

 

so many American women behave like prostitutes these days, why the hell not make some cash for it?

Well maybe they are promiscuous but that's their prerogative. They don't want to charge for it, they do it for pleasure. And ifyou're talking about women expecting to get the guy's credit card, I think that's pretty rare; and obviously they prefer to get expensive presents than to work billable hours with all kinds of perverts (not saying all sex shoppers are pervs though).

[somedude81]

Do they have gay clubs, that play RnB and hiphop music, because that's what I like to dance to?

I'm sure there is. Would need to Google that or ask some gay people.

 

Odds are gays and lesbians want to dance to more than

 

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[RecordProducer]

Actually no, I wasn't making the same argument as you.

Well if you can't see how those two arguments blended then I can't make you see it. Mark, can I ask you, what do you for a living? (You know you don't have to answer this at all, or just answer whatever you're comfortable with)

 

Yes you can preach all you want and use the first amendment as an excuse even though you're wrong and alot of ppl on here have told you that;).

First of all, they were all men. Second, the majority is neither always right nor is in the top brightest percentage of the population.

 

But you're stubborn and ignorant and your logic is misplaced. And yes you are wrong. You and your conservatism are less respectable than toilet paper. I think what you mean is your opinions and logic are stupid and misplaced and that's a fact:).

I don't associate with ignorant conservatives who don't know facts:p

.... you forgot: and I smell bad. Edited May 29, 2011 by RecordProducer

[Mark11]

Well if you can't see how those two arguments blended then I can't make you see it. Mark, can I ask you, what do you for a living? (You know you don't have to answer this at all, or just answer whatever you're comfortable with)

 

First of all, they were all men. Second, the majority is neither always right nor is in the top brightest percentage of the population.

 

But you're stubborn and ignorant and your logic is misplaced. And yes you are wrong. You and your conservatism are less respectable than toilet paper. I think what you mean is your opinions and logic are stupid and misplaced and that's a fact:).

I don't associate with ignorant conservatives who don't know facts:p.

... you forgot: and I smell bad.

 

They didn't blend, but that's ok if you can't see it. What, so we're wrong because we're men:p. Please. You a male hating feminist who thinks men are always wrong and prostitution is sexist:mad:? As one of the posts said earlier, alot of women are actually empowered by the idea that men (even rich and powerful ones) are willing to pay hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars of their hard earned cash to be with these women. If your panocha stinks, you should keep that to yourself:lmao:.

[sanskrit]

Why don't you just use your opportunity? For $30 you can't get a slimey hooker, but you can buy enough martinis for a sexually desperate career woman. Sounds good to me! (and I'm not talking about pulling their skirts up while they're passed out hugging the toilet - just talking about using the unleashed inhibitions. It may work or not.)

 

Poor reception... you are breaking up... in a stall hugging a toilet perhaps?