Once a slut, always a slut?

[Woggle]

What some people say about the lack of accountability is true. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants but when my ex cheated on me left and right and when I caught her I got the same crap about how I was a male chauvinist pig trying to control her sexuality. From talking to other men I am not the only who got this same response. She had a lot of partners before and I overlooked it because I figured I had no right to judge her.

 

When you look at what I and many men have gone through with this kind of issue is it any wonder why many men feel the way they do?

[TheLawmaker]

I don't think we're talking about all women. I have a mother, a sister, cousins, and aunts who don't behave like that. I have female friends who don't behave like that.

 

However, there is a pattern, that many young women go through. And they seem to pick 5% of the male population (the good looking, suave ones) in order to do it. That leaves 95% of the male population floundering, or looking for handouts.

 

It's not misogyny. It's fact. Even scientists have stated that women generally go for the good looking rich guys with the hot car and the social skills and status to match it up. Stating the obvious isn't hating.

[Blood]

It's not misogyny. It's fact. Even scientists have stated that women generally go for the good looking rich guys with the hot car and the social skills and status to match it up. Stating the obvious isn't hating.

That isn't science. That's a romance novel. That guy doesn't even exist.

[collegeguy_24]

That isn't science. That's a romance novel. That guy doesn't even exist.

 

He does exist, I saw it today when he walked out of a bar with a beautiful woman and he climbed into his Porche.

[collegeguy_24]

What some people say about the lack of accountability is true. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants but when my ex cheated on me left and right and when I caught her I got the same crap about how I was a male chauvinist pig trying to control her sexuality. From talking to other men I am not the only who got this same response. She had a lot of partners before and I overlooked it because I figured I had no right to judge her.

 

When you look at what I and many men have gone through with this kind of issue is it any wonder why many men feel the way they do?

 

I agree, I am one of the men who has been there.

[betterdeal]

So some women and some men mislead each other, and themselves, and some men and some women don't like this. There endeth today's lesson.

[Blood]

He does exist, I saw it today when he walked out of a bar with a beautiful woman and he climbed into his Porche.

Did you have a conversation with him to rate his social skills? I find those guys tend to be very dull.

[collegeguy_24]

Did you have a conversation with him to rate his social skills? I find those guys tend to be very dull.

 

No I didn't talk to him, I was more focused on the car. I like cars

 

But judging from his walk, he appeared to be full of confidance, but not an a-hole. I learned how each one walks after spending so much time around both.

 

He appeared to be able to hold a conversation, but again, that is just apperance, I couldn't hear his words as I was acors the street waiting for the light to change so I could cross without getting killed.

[mr.dream merchant]

It's plainly obvious that someone who admits to some combo of TEN different FWBs at any given time over a two year period pretty much has a mattress strapped to her back, and is sleeping around lots. Your quote above makes it seem somewhat that she only had sex ten times , and that's not at all what CG's post conveyed.

 

Anyway enough about that.

 

The answer is simple, and the scenario you premise on is not how things actually play out for men who arrive at a sceptical stance on this topic. The way it plays out is that men, as we gain experience with women, are eventually fooled by at least one woman (and if you are old like me, many women over decades) who represents herself as one way with us, while she is -simultaneously- another way with other men. You find out that the girl you just took out on a second date and got a demure kiss from slept with three guys you know last week, maybe even one the night before your date. While that same girl has portrayed herself to you as sexually conservative and seeking monogamy.

 

It's not some "life stage" that she did last year or ten years ago, as it is so often conveniently rationalized, we learn this harsh lesson while she is doing it. And if she -was- capable of that behavior then, she -is- still. There are women who are governed by rational thought... some... and there are others who are governed strictly by emotions and stay that way their entire lives. Those latter ones don't change... ever, and they are the ones who tend towards promiscuity due to whatever reasons. The best predictor of future individual behavior is past behavior.

 

She purposefully deceives the relationship -prospect- as to her character and attitudes while doing as she likes with the -non-prospects- whom she rightly figures aren't going to take her out, be nice to her, do things for her, and maybe most importantly don't represent emotional threat to her, but are still fun and supplies of attention, if only sexual. This -duplicity- is what pisses guys off, "Why am I, the good one, being penalized for my good behavior while others are -simultaneously- being rewarded for their nonchalant or even bad behavior? and moreover, what a conniving, self-serving bitch this one is!" Why should I court -this- "precious flower" when she's giving away the store for free... right now this minute?

 

And as you get even more experience, you end up in the other role (and if you are old like me, with many women), the guy getting a quick NSA BJ from a girl who mentions she has a date as she casually walks out the door WITH YOUR SEMEN IN HER MOUTH. Or it could play out that the -prospect- takes her out, feeds her a nice sexy meal, gets her buzzed, and because she wants to preserve some illusion with him, she calls ME over to sex her after and may even give details about her date!!:sick:

 

After a few cycles of this, or many, over decades, can you blame us for becoming somewhat immune to the "mystery of romance?" Somewhat judgmental about a woman's slatternly past, inured to women's pleas that their past shouldn't matter and that they have the right to change their character back and forth like a chameleon as their emotions dictate? Of course you have the right to do that, and we have the right to get you the F OUT!

 

We AREN'T STUPID. We do learn eventually. We know that if you are doing it -with- us, you are equally capable of doing it -to- us. It may take us 15-20 years to figure this out, but most of us other than the most abject chumps, DO figure it out eventually.

 

We know the score, and get used to it. It gets us laid more. Women in today's culture do whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it, governed nearly entirely by emotions, with no accountability or moral compass whatsoever, and then backwards rationalize into "being a good person" despite that their character is entirely inconsistent, their treatment of the male "pawns" in their lives despicable and duplicitous, and their self-image merely a "puff-piece" of empty rationalizations.

 

We know the score, and if those to whom the above rant applies would just OWN UP, own it instead of the constant lies and deceit, we would come much closer to accepting you, mattress back and all.

 

Quoted for truth. A couple of easy women tried to trap me with that "born again good girl" story. Men and women are similar in this way. Guys who need "game" are the same way. They're everything the woman of their interest wants them to be...just to land her. Sleazy women do this to men who are a catch, who can probably provide the woman with security.

 

Personally speaking, but it was upsetting when sleazy women would try to force me to cuff for the sex but just a week ago they were giving up the ass to him, his cousin, their dog, and it's puppies. It makes me laugh...but damn, what else are you expecting from a sleazy woman? More than likely she's going to disappoint. Whether it be with deceit or attempting to deceive, infidelity, lies, etc. One way or another she's going to disappoint you. That's why as a man who's on the hunt for a woman worth his time...you gotta be two steps ahead of these women today. Back when I was messing around with trashy women I always waited for the moment they'd try to push for a relationship then I'd tell them "I'm pretty busy so a relationship isn't what I'm looking for right now in my life." That's a damn lie. I'd cuff a woman who was worth it in a heartbeat. But these women? Nah. After lots of disappointment, scoffing at the audacity of some of these hoes out here today, etc...I decided it was best to just leave trashy women alone altogether. I'd rather kick it dolo until I come across a woman who's actually WORTH the effort. Lol worth, now there's a word that some women seemingly forgot about. Oh what? Just because you an expert at enticing men you think that's all you need to be worthy of a loving relationship? Ha.ha.ha.

 

Women will never understand why some guys won't give a slut a relationship. So these days I tell them "It's one of those things you'd have to be a male to understand." Lol another quick personal experience, this woman who is a reformed slut brings her former **** buddies around her husband and he doesn't know. So she's got guys who used to pound her easy lampin' around kicking their feet up in her HUSBAND's house...and he has no idea. This is what wifing an easy chick will get you. Lmao? I'll gladly pass everytime. Any guys reading this, stop being a sucker for coochie and tell that hoe to eat a dick lol.

 

Just treat them like you don't need them and you'll be cool. (Guys). And honestly? The only guys I know? Who don't care about a woman's promiscuous behavior..they're usually the guys who have trouble getting laid or pulling women period. Any guy who can bag lots of women? They'll tell you not a chance. (at least the ones I know). :/

 

-and isn't it hilarious that Sally4Sara and donnamaybe are always defending "hoes" and "sluts" ? Hmmmmm. I wonder. :lmao:

[Blood]

No I didn't talk to him, I was more focused on the car. I like cars

Okay.....

 

But judging from his walk, he appeared to be full of confidance, but not an a-hole. I learned how each one walks after spending so much time around both.

Now it is starting to sound a little too creepy. Needed to know how the skin folds so you know how to wear them?

 

He appeared to be able to hold a conversation, but again, that is just apperance, I couldn't hear his words as I was acors the street waiting for the light to change so I could cross without getting killed.

A three year old child can hold a conversation. That doesn't make them interesting.

[collegeguy_24]

Okay.....

 

Now it is starting to sound a little too creepy. Needed to know how the skin folds so you know how to wear them?

 

 

There is nothing wrong with liking cars, its a life goal of mine to buy a porsche so I was just admiering it.

 

Also, back when I was shy I would often watch people, observe how they interact and such. I am very good at that and am usually quite right because I can read body language so well. Thats how I was able to tell.

 

But that was back in my shy days, before I opened up so to speak and started talking with people. Its a skill that has stayed with me ever since, thats why i am able to see how that guy interacted with the woman.

 

Now for all I know he could have been full of crap and lied to her to get laid. I didn't hear what he was saying so I can't tell, but she also could have just as easily as seen his car and was attracted to the fact he has money, after all Porsches ain't cheat.

[Blood]

They can also be borrowed or "borrowed" to give a false impression.

[collegeguy_24]

They can also be borrowed or "borrowed" to give a false impression.

 

I won't argue against that, because if its true then it simply gives credence that women are attracted to money instead of the man.

[Blood]

I won't argue against that, because if its true then it simply gives credence that women are attracted to money instead of the man.

A status symbol is about much more than the money paid on it.

[sally4sara]

7. Women, not men, are the harshest judges of female sexual behavior. Men form much of their pre-experience attitudes about loose women based on what they are told by the -women- in their lives whom they respect and who love them and are concerned for their well being. Most men are first cautioned about "da hoochies" by a mother, grandmother, sister, etc. So if there ever was a double standard, it was perpetuated by women in concern for the men in their lives as much as it ever was perpetuated by men.

 

All the women who post in this thread know this, yet as many times as I type it in as many threads, they never comment on that or admit that it's the truth. WHY? (that's rhetorical, I know already)

 

All the women who post in this thread know women, many likely, who do the exact things I rant about here, and will betcha a dollar they themselves have warned a guy off of a skeezy woman at some time in their lives. When it's their brother, cousin, friend, or SON, I bet they aren't nearly so casual about "Trixie was just going through a phase when she pulled that train last week, you shouldn't hold that against her, SON. Maybe she can teach you a thing or two in the bedroom or pull a train with us here at Thanksgiving Dinner!" (can't wait for S4S to stir up the "heroin" line of discussion again in response to this, that was funny)

 

Comments ladies?

 

Truth is that there's a lot more going on in these types of threads than meets the eye. The bogus "double standard" is a sacred cow of sorts, and just happens to be a -crucial- keystone in a gigantic edifice of political lies. If that keystone crumbles, lots of other stuff starts to come down with it. IMO that's the real reason why they are so protective of the loose women in places like this, when they are likely not so in real life when men they care about are involved or when gossiping about other women with their friends.

 

Comment ladies?

 

Sure. I have never taken issue with some woman's sexual habits unless:

 

She is hiding her actions to keep someone who otherwise wouldn't stick around if she dealt in honesty.

 

She is being irresponsible about it, putting her life and the life of unwitting partners at a higher risk than having "safe" sex brings.

 

She does not feel the experience betters herself but has emotional issues that keeps her in a self destructive cycle via her sex habits. In this instance I would not speak out about her to others but speak to her out of concern.

All three of these instances are not really about sex. It could be any behavior that brings similar results. I don't believe dishonesty, recklessness, or self destructive patterns are exclusive to being a person with an active sex life. It could be shoplifting and keeping the stolen items at their SO's house. It could be violent tendencies. Tantrums that lead to property damage and then lying about how the damage happened. It could be gravitating to people who put them in danger. Hiding expenses from their spouse. Yet sex seems the big one for men simply because they are less discerning (not womens' fault men tend to offer their bodies to women so quickly; quit acting like we made you have more testosterone) and they succeed less in obtaining it. I know you'd prefer we act less discerning when you are seeking it but we don't owe it to you simply because you want it and its really counter productive to what you want in those moments if you then turn around and act like we did something wrong if we did have sex with you.

 

One thing I don't buy that I notice gets floated a lot in "these threads" is men talk a big talk to each other about what would and wouldn't make them think less of a woman in regards to sex. Lots of big talk about their level of interest going down if she had sex with THEM too easily or use to with others but isn't into it now. I've never had a guy over the age of 17 pull that one on me and it was the only time it happened. Most of us did stupid mean things when we were that age to someone even if it wasn't about sex because - well -that is what young and stupid does.

Instead what I experienced was the association ended when I said it was over. The vast majority, thankfully, of men are appreciative when they get invited into a woman's bed. If you are not able to stop in the face of temptation the way you all are expecting women to do, its petty to take it out of her for not being your breaks. If you (collectively, not personally) were more capable of being as resistant as you expect women to be, then maybe maybe I'd lend the view more credibility. Instead it just comes off like weak boys unable to be as strong as the gender they like to pretend is weaker than they exhibit when it comes to sex. How can you be so strong if you can't even say no to someone you don't view as "quality", especially if you also try to while perpetuate the concept of being stronger than women.

 

smart ass. Just as there are people who drink that are not alcoholics, there are people who can be the same when it comes to other substances. A person who can't control their chocolate consumption shouldn't eat chocolate, and a person who can't control their alcohol consumption shouldn't drink. It doesn't mean no one should eat chocolate or drink an alcoholic beverage now and then. I gave you a straight answer. If a grown adult, related to me or otherwise, is capable of indulging in heroin without it becoming a destructive force in their life I don't care if they take heroin any more than I care if you have an amount of alcohol that doesn't cause you strife or fall out. I don't support prohibition of any kind because its a ruse.

[Titania22]

Women, not men, are the harshest judges of female sexual behavior.

 

I agree! And it upsets me.

 

It seems to me generally true, that a men will have the back of other men he doesn't necessarily know, and women will give men the benefit of the doubt before believing other women, but women generally won't support other women.

 

This is an obvious generalisation, with many exceptions. But it does seem women are naturally distrustful and judgemental of other women. It completely sucks! Once again I try to be the exception, which is why I won't even fantacize about a guy in a relationship let alone hit on him IRL.

 

I also feel that so long as all these women are rewarding "bad" behaviour in men, "good" behaviour is going to continue to be rare. And I can't blame men for that, because your brains are just observing patterns and making your game plans based on increasing your probability of getting lots of sex. I accept that, I just refuse to play that game. Just like you can expect something better of women, so can I expect something better of men.

[Blood]

Women only give the benefit to guys they're into. Otherwise they are harsh judges all around.

[Titania22]

Women only give the benefit to guys they're into. Otherwise they are harsh judges all around.

 

Speak for yourself.

[Blood]

In the tiny, teensy, weensy book of exceptions I'll put you on the first page. Happy now?

[Titania22]

In the tiny, teensy, weensy book of exceptions I'll put you on the first page. Happy now?

 

Thankyou yes very much.

 

p.s. I am not saying i am never judgemental, but I work extraordinarily hard not to be. I am still a crap human, like everyone else though.

[Alma Mobley]

 

The gripe I have with certain female posters here on LS is... let me get this last bullet out of the way:

 

7. Women, not men, are the harshest judges of female sexual behavior. Men form much of their pre-experience attitudes about loose women based on what they are told by the -women- in their lives whom they respect and who love them and are concerned for their well being. Most men are first cautioned about "da hoochies" by a mother, grandmother, sister, etc. So if there ever was a double standard, it was perpetuated by women in concern for the men in their lives as much as it ever was perpetuated by men.

 

All the women who post in this thread know this, yet as many times as I type it in as many threads, they never comment on that or admit that it's the truth. WHY? (that's rhetorical, I know already)

 

All the women who post in this thread know women, many likely, who do the exact things I rant about here, and will betcha a dollar they themselves have warned a guy off of a skeezy woman at some time in their lives. When it's their brother, cousin, friend, or SON, I bet they aren't nearly so casual about "Trixie was just going through a phase when she pulled that train last week, you shouldn't hold that against her, SON. Maybe she can teach you a thing or two in the bedroom or pull a train with us here at Thanksgiving Dinner!" (can't wait for S4S to stir up the "heroin" line of discussion again in response to this, that was funny)

 

Comments ladies?

 

First, do you also post under the name Meerkat Stew? Just wondering.

 

I don't really know of many men whose mothers and grandmothers warned them away from certain women, though I won't dispute that it happens. I suppose I come from a pretty uptight family, I admit. I doubt my mother talked to my brothers about women and sex at all.

 

If I have a male friend, and I see a woman going after him that I think is of low character, in that she will manipulate him and play him, I will definitely warn him, sure. I'm not going to go to the girl and demand her sexual history, however -- I think women are good at spotting female 'players' just as men are good at spotting the male version.

 

Truth is that there's a lot more going on in these types of threads than meets the eye. The bogus "double standard" is a sacred cow of sorts, and just happens to be a -crucial- keystone in a gigantic edifice of political lies. If that keystone crumbles, lots of other stuff starts to come down with it. IMO that's the real reason why they are so protective of the loose women in places like this, when they are likely not so in real life when men they care about are involved or when gossiping about other women with their friends.

 

Comment ladies?

Wow, that sounds a little conspiratorial... Women on LS protect 'loose women' in order to protect some edifice built of political lies? I just want to get this straight... I am a little unsure of what you are saying about us women here.

 

I am not a fan of promiscuous people as dating material, and sometimes I think men on LS judge women a little harshly in that area, but I think women who reform do exist. They got burnt, learnt their lessons and moved on. They are not all pretenders waiting to trap a good man and indulge their inner slut with others behind his back, sheesh.

 

Sanskrit, the things you write.. wow. Have you ever considered that there is a reason you have had such experiences with women? Are you attracted to a certain type? Yes, I have known a few women I would warn men away from, but I usually avoid them as they are not friend material either. And some of my friends have gone through phases where they acted stupidly after a break up or whatever, but you are insisting that 95% of women are incapable of rational thought and basically act on instinct (emotion) with no forethought.

 

Do you have no sisters, aunts, cousins, sister-in-laws? Any good models of women in your family? Most women in my family are normal, love their kids, have good relationships. Do you truly think we are all snakes in the grass, just waiting to strike on the next "chump"? That has just not been my experience with my female friends and family, and I am almost forty. You remind me a bit of my brother, actually, which is probably why I am bothering to answer you as usually I avoid these gender threads. He is probably around your age and still single and I just saw him this weekend (we live in different states) and he's a bit jaded about the dating scene.

 

Anyway, good luck.

[Blood]

Thankyou yes very much.

 

p.s. I am not saying i am never judgemental, but I work extraordinarily hard not to be. I am still a crap human, like everyone else though.

I am not even trying. Denying oneself the thoughts one forms in the flash of a moment seems pointless to me at least.

 

I have been hiding who I am for double digit years. It has been far too long that I'm tired of it. People will hate me or love me. They'll take it or leave it. I'm beginning not to care and becoming more boisterous in the process.

[Titania22]

I am not even trying. Denying oneself the thoughts one forms in the flash of a moment seems pointless to me at least.

 

I have been hiding who I am for double digit years. It has been far too long that I'm tired of it. People will hate me or love me. They'll take it or leave it. I'm beginning not to care and becoming more boisterous in the process.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not hiding myself, or censoring myself for the sake of other people. I am molding myself into a better person. I don't have a judgement about someone and then berate myself for it either. I have tended toward shifting to a larger perspective.

 

For example I don't have a problem for people (men and women) having lots of sex, or sex partners, or very few, or even being virginal. Perceptions people have about any of these things being good or bad, are just judgements based on their beliefs systems. But I have a big problem with people judging each other harshly. I think we should worry about if we are living up to the people we want to be, and let everyone be responsible for being the person they want to be. That being said, I am also against people treating each other like crap (abusive, etc). That is something I am judgemental about, because again I think we should worry about controlling ourselves, rather then controlling or overpowering someone else.

 

Really if a guy is upset about a girl not wanting to have sex, he should just move on, because she will be better off without blame, guilt and judgement poured all over her.

[Blood]

There is a limit to nexting. Eventually the road ends or the sea is over fished.

[Titania22]

There is a limit to nexting. Eventually the road ends or the sea is over fished.

 

With 7 billion people on the planet, I don't think anyone has to worry about running out on potential mates.