Abstinence

[StoneCold]

lmao ok, so basically you have a question begging argument saying "i believe god is real, because i believe god is real"

 

Man is a case of evolution from apes. We have something like 97% of the same DNA and proof dating back thousands of years. Our bodies and minds are constantly trying to adapt and become more efficient depending on what we do with them. With that said, I can easily see ourselves adapting and evolving from apes. We are just as much creatures of earth as every other living entity. We eat, we poop, and we reproduce and die just like everything else. Our biological intelligence doesn't mean we have a secret magical kingdom we go to when we die, it only gives us the imagination to come up with that. Its the same as saying only chameleons go to "heaven" because they can camoflague. We hold just as much life as any other living thing on this planet, so why is it only humans receive an eternal life of bliss?

 

One of the glaring differences is that we are the only living thing that is knows about death. Since humans have this urge for knowledge and understanding, they killed two birds with one stone in the case of inventing religion. Not only does it give some comforting answer for death which will always be a loose end in human understanding, it also provides a way to manipulate and control people. Look back through history and all those wars about religion with millions that have died in the name of "god". Thats what happens when you try to mix faith with reason, or in that case the church with government.

 

Greek mythology is filled with personified ideas of gods having human characteristics and a human shape just like god is depicted. It is also basic human psychology to have authority figures to tell us what to do to make life less scary which we are conditioned to adapt from our parents as children. Every human on earth has the ability to imagine a god, but no human like figure has the ability to create the genius design of planet earth. To say this was made by an immortal magical human and we will live in forever and eternal bliss after death is wishful thinking.

 

I know there will be things we have yet to and probably will never understand, but just because we don't understand how something works, doesnt mean its an act of god. If we could bring a person from the distant past and time travel them to today, they would automatically assume when they see view our lights in darkness, our computers, our cars, airplanes, even toilets as acts of god.

 

 

The idea of the church and religion has got to be the biggest seduction of "man" in history....

 

- It "explains" things we dont understand thus giving us "comfort" and "hope"

 

- It mirrors us (human like forms) and then plays the "ideal lover" by lifting up virtuous individuals, prophets and martyrs....thus romantisizing the ideal person we strive to be

 

- It takes things away and then gives them back in the form of "temptation" and "taboo"

 

- it plays on pleasure and pain

 

These are all the makings of one powerful seduction that once in place enables great manipulation

[DreamerGirl27]

See you just killed your argument all by yourself...

 

You just said that if that person cheated on you...then he wouldnt be right. Thats my point....you got together with said guy because you THOUGHT he was "right"....you had sex with him and it turns out you were wrong....aaaannnnd you go back to the drawing board and do it all over again; how many times? 2 times? 6 times? how many "mr rights" are talking here?...you dont know

 

 

 

So much for your argument

 

How long did it take you to think about what you just said? 2, maybe 3 milliseconds?

 

If you get with an honest person who isn't all about sex (like you apparently seem to be) and actually has the same values and morals and believes in finding the one and is a Christian, more importantly, your chances of him (or her) cheating on you are slim to none. If you get someone who just goes about life thinking it's a game, then yeah. You'll probably get cheated on.

 

There are good people in this world. Hard to come by, but they do exist. Like I said...my dad has never and will never cheat on my mom. And vice versa. They have been together for 30 years and married for 26. They are probably few of couples who will actually stay together for life.

 

It's sad that divorce rates are as high as they are, but that's what happens when you put importance and unimportant things.

[DreamerGirl27]

lmao ok, so basically you have a question begging argument saying "i believe god is real, because i believe god is real"

 

Man is a case of evolution from apes. We have something like 97% of the same DNA and proof dating back thousands of years. Our bodies and minds are constantly trying to adapt and become more efficient depending on what we do with them. With that said, I can easily see ourselves adapting and evolving from apes. We are just as much creatures of earth as every other living entity. We eat, we poop, and we reproduce and die just like everything else. Our biological intelligence doesn't mean we have a secret magical kingdom we go to when we die, it only gives us the imagination to come up with that. Its the same as saying only chameleons go to "heaven" because they can camoflague. We hold just as much life as any other living thing on this planet, so why is it only humans receive an eternal life of bliss?

 

One of the glaring differences is that we are the only living thing that is knows about death. Since humans have this urge for knowledge and understanding, they killed two birds with one stone in the case of inventing religion. Not only does it give some comforting answer for death which will always be a loose end in human understanding, it also provides a way to manipulate and control people. Look back through history and all those wars about religion with millions that have died in the name of "god". Thats what happens when you try to mix faith with reason, or in that case the church with government.

 

Greek mythology is filled with personified ideas of gods having human characteristics and a human shape just like god is depicted. It is also basic human psychology to have authority figures to tell us what to do to make life less scary which we are conditioned to adapt from our parents as children. Every human on earth has the ability to imagine a god, but no human like figure has the ability to create the genius design of planet earth. To say this was made by an immortal magical human and we will live in forever and eternal bliss after death is wishful thinking.

 

I know there will be things we have yet to and probably will never understand, but just because we don't understand how something works, doesnt mean its an act of god. If we could bring a person from the distant past and time travel them to today, they would automatically assume when they see view our lights in darkness, our computers, our cars, airplanes, even toilets as acts of god.

 

You sound...like a person fresh out of mental institution. And extremely depressed.

 

I would hate to be you.

[DreamerGirl27]

lmao ok, so basically you have a question begging argument saying "i believe god is real, because i believe god is real"

 

Man is a case of evolution from apes. We have something like 97% of the same DNA and proof dating back thousands of years. Our bodies and minds are constantly trying to adapt and become more efficient depending on what we do with them. With that said, I can easily see ourselves adapting and evolving from apes. We are just as much creatures of earth as every other living entity. We eat, we poop, and we reproduce and die just like everything else. Our biological intelligence doesn't mean we have a secret magical kingdom we go to when we die, it only gives us the imagination to come up with that. Its the same as saying only chameleons go to "heaven" because they can camoflague. We hold just as much life as any other living thing on this planet, so why is it only humans receive an eternal life of bliss?

 

One of the glaring differences is that we are the only living thing that is knows about death. Since humans have this urge for knowledge and understanding, they killed two birds with one stone in the case of inventing religion. Not only does it give some comforting answer for death which will always be a loose end in human understanding, it also provides a way to manipulate and control people. Look back through history and all those wars about religion with millions that have died in the name of "god". Thats what happens when you try to mix faith with reason, or in that case the church with government.

 

Greek mythology is filled with personified ideas of gods having human characteristics and a human shape just like god is depicted. It is also basic human psychology to have authority figures to tell us what to do to make life less scary which we are conditioned to adapt from our parents as children. Every human on earth has the ability to imagine a god, but no human like figure has the ability to create the genius design of planet earth. To say this was made by an immortal magical human and we will live in forever and eternal bliss after death is wishful thinking.

 

I know there will be things we have yet to and probably will never understand, but just because we don't understand how something works, doesnt mean its an act of god. If we could bring a person from the distant past and time travel them to today, they would automatically assume when they see view our lights in darkness, our computers, our cars, airplanes, even toilets as acts of god.

 

You also didn't respond to any logical explanation I gave. When species "evolve", they cease to exist. Why are apes still on the planet then? If we evolved years ago, apes would ALL now be human. Have a scientist explain that one to you and then to me and the rest of the world when they get the chance. Ya know, when they aren't busy being morons.

 

Secondly, I never claimed to not understand how something works. I claimed to understand how it all works. I can see the intelligent design in everything and I'm pretty smart for my age. I can figure out why God designed one man for one woman just by doing a simple math equation. meaning, why it is against God in the bible to live a polygamous life style.

 

I'd humor you with that mathematical logic, but you'd have to have half a functioning brain to comprehend it.

 

And seeing as people in this thread have no belief in God, it shows me that your brains are all...well, about the size of a pea.

 

Have a pleasant life. And afterlife.

 

In Hell.

[DreamerGirl27]

The idea of the church and religion has got to be the biggest seduction of "man" in history....

 

- It "explains" things we dont understand thus giving us "comfort" and "hope"

 

- It mirrors us (human like forms) and then plays the "ideal lover" by lifting up virtuous individuals, prophets and martyrs....thus romantisizing the ideal person we strive to be

 

- It takes things away and then gives them back in the form of "temptation" and "taboo"

 

- it plays on pleasure and pain

 

These are all the makings of one powerful seduction that once in place enables great manipulation

 

Who said I don't understand anything? In fact, I can give you precise, logical and exact reasons why the laws are fashioned after laws in the bible and why they are necessary and make sense.

 

Do I need to go back to my gay people theory? How it is NOT NATURAL, physically, not mentally or emotionally or any of that non sense or whether a person picks their sexuality. Physically, if you do things correctly, it is NOT POSSIBLE for a man and man to have sex and vice versa.

 

Does.not.compute.

 

It makes logical sense, everything in the bible.

 

Am I just a genius or is the world full of THAT many educationally inept people because they all went to public school?

[StoneCold]

How long did it take you to think about what you just said? 2, maybe 3 milliseconds? .

 

Thats all you got eh... sucks when you're nailed dead to rights and have nothing to say eh

 

If you get with an honest person who isn't all about sex (like you apparently seem to be) and actually has the same values and morals and believes in finding the one and is a Christian, more importantly, your chances of him (or her) cheating on you are slim to none. If you get someone who just goes about life thinking it's a game, then yeah. You'll probably get cheated on. .

 

 

Oh yeah sure

 

Jimmy Swaggart - "I have siiinnnnned"

 

Christians cheat ALL THE TIME...only difference is they are in denial

 

It's sad that divorce rates are as high as they are, but that's what happens when you put importance and unimportant things.

 

 

No... thats what happens when you deem important things as unimportant...read up

[DreamerGirl27]

Thats all you got eh... sucks when you're nailed dead to rights and have nothing to say eh

 

 

 

 

I don't "got" anything, because I'm not trying to start an argument with you. I'm trying to have a mature, healthy debate with someone who is clearly the opposite of that. And in fact, I've been trying to alert them of your rude posts the past couple of days and they just keep on comin'.

[DreamerGirl27]

read up

 

I don't listen to the government. I think for myself.

[StoneCold]

I'm trying to have a mature, healthy debate with someone who is clearly the opposite of that. And in fact, I've been trying to alert them of your rude posts the past couple of days and they just keep on comin'.

 

 

 

Why is it rude? because you have nothing to say in response?

 

nice

[erika2610]

How long did it take you to think about what you just said? 2, maybe 3 milliseconds?

 

If you get with an honest person who isn't all about sex (like you apparently seem to be) and actually has the same values and morals and believes in finding the one and is a Christian, more importantly, your chances of him (or her) cheating on you are slim to none. If you get someone who just goes about life thinking it's a game, then yeah. You'll probably get cheated on.

 

There are good people in this world. Hard to come by, but they do exist. Like I said...my dad has never and will never cheat on my mom. And vice versa. They have been together for 30 years and married for 26. They are probably few of couples who will actually stay together for life.

 

It's sad that divorce rates are as high as they are, but that's what happens when you put importance and unimportant things.

 

So Christian is the way to be? Let me tell you - my ex "boyfriend" cheated on his wife. What was he? Christian. Anybody can cheat on you.

[TheLawmaker]

So Christian is the way to be? Let me tell you - my ex "boyfriend" cheated on his wife. What was he? Christian. Anybody can cheat on you.

 

Atheists are just as willing to cheat. Just wanted to point that out.

 

As far as the OP is concerned, I'm more worried about her mental state of mind, rather than her view of chastity. I am a virgin, and would love to marry another virgin...but the truth is, if I don't meet one, would I rather lose my virginity in a loose one night stand, or stand high on my Christian morals and say "Oh, it's better to be a virgin, God likes it?"

 

I'm sure God would like for me to be happy. And I have sexual urges, too.

[erika2610]

I don't "got" anything, because I'm not trying to start an argument with you. I'm trying to have a mature, healthy debate with someone who is clearly the opposite of that. And in fact, I've been trying to alert them of your rude posts the past couple of days and they just keep on comin'.

 

You are clearly just trying to rile people up. You will not listen to anybody else's point of view, as you are the only one who is right here - you are just being logical while everybody else illogical. Well, that ones who don't agree with you, that is. There was nothing rude about what StoneCold said. If anybody has been rude in these and your other threads towards people that disagree with you, it is you. Why can't you just open your mind and try to see somebody else's point of view? Why do you have to be so argumentative?

 

Anybody can cheat. Why does that thought seem so out of this world to you? The point is - just because you THINK you found "Mr. Right", doesn't mean he won't cheat on you 10 yrs. down the road. If you find one who doesn't, great for you - but the point is that it can happen.

 

It would also be nice to leave the gay discussion out of this. Because as I said in my PM, it is offensive. And I think you know that. Nobody chooses to be gay, just as you don't *choose* to be straight.

[TheLawmaker]

It would also be nice to leave the gay discussion out of this. Because as I said in my PM, it is offensive. And I think you know that. Nobody chooses to be gay, just as you don't *choose* to be straight.

 

Hear hear!

[PelicanPete]

You sound...like a person fresh out of mental institution. And extremely depressed.

 

I would hate to be you.

 

 

I'd humor you with that mathematical logic, but you'd have to have half a functioning brain to comprehend it.

 

And seeing as people in this thread have no belief in God, it shows me that your brains are all...well, about the size of a pea.

 

Have a pleasant life. And afterlife.

 

In Hell.

 

ROFL what? You want me to go to hell?You're calling yourself religious, while the main premise of all religions are to do good and be kind to others.

 

I can't be that stupid if you're having to resort to spineless personal attacks which aren't relevant to our discussion at all

 

If I were depressed, I probably wouldn't be laughing right now

 

You also didn't respond to any logical explanation I gave.

 

Sorry, its hard to find anything you say even run close to a logical argument.

 

When species "evolve", they cease to exist. Why are apes still on the planet then? If we evolved years ago, apes would ALL now be human. Have a scientist explain that one to you and then to me and the rest of the world when they get the chance. Ya know, when they aren't busy being morons.

 

Don't really need a scientist to explain anything. Humans are part of the great ape family, along with gorillas, orangutans, and chimpanzees. Earlier versions of us are in fact extinct, such as neanderthals, homo erectus, and homo habilis, etc. and we have the fossils to prove it. Not all apes evolved into humans because although we share similar characteristics, we are a different organism with different biological and genetic coding then our ape cousins. For example If a single type of fish evolves, it doesn't mean all types of fish will evolve as well. Thats like saying "sharks developed serrated teeth, therefore tuna should develop serrated teeth as well"

 

Secondly, I never claimed to not understand how something works. I claimed to understand how it all works. I can see the intelligent design in everything and I'm pretty smart for my age.

 

Assuming and understanding are two very different things. You're assuming I'm extremely depressed when in fact I am quite the opposite. I wonder what else you're wrong about lmao. I assumed it was going to be sunny today, when in fact it turned out to rain. Assumptions are often wrong, because they are just that. Religion is decreasing in North America because we are some of the more educated people on the planet. What a coincidence

 

I also thought I had all the answers at 18, it wasn't til I got past my ego did I discover that was far from the truth. To quote Socrates, one of the greatest thinkers that have ever lived "I know that I know nothing".

 

 

As for the whole polygamy thing, trying to tell other people what to do only shows that you're insecure about your own beliefs. It's pretty hard to get a home run with the first person you meet. I thought I lucked out in that dept, but she ended up cheating on me. I can only be responsible for my own actions, but according to you her decision is going to cause me to go to hell

 

Oh well, i guess ill see ya there lmao

[Queen Zenobia]

Assuming and understanding are two very different things. You're assuming I'm extremely depressed when in fact I am quite the opposite. I wonder what else you're wrong about lmao. I assumed it was going to be sunny today, when in fact it turned out to rain. Assumptions are often wrong, because they are just that. Religion is decreasing in North America because we are some of the more educated people on the planet. What a coincidence

 

I also thought I had all the answers at 18, it wasn't til I got past my ego did I discover that was far from the truth. To quote Socrates, one of the greatest thinkers that have ever lived "I know that I know nothing".

 

I could very well be a coincidence. Just like the myth that higher education "causes" one to become politically liberal, getting a higher education does not guarantee that someone becomes less religious. A strong correlation is probable, but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence for causation. There are various other factors involved, a major one being the increased immigration of non-Christians to North America (particularly after 1965 in the U.S.). Contact with other religions can contribute to a decline in religiosity.

 

And as for the Socrates quote, Job came to the same conclusion after the end of his ordeal. I guess it's just one case where the philosophers and the theologians can come together and agree

[DreamerGirl27]

If they didn't push to change the definition of marriage, I wouldn't. Marriage is a religious act which is why it is held in churches and it is between a man and a woman. What gives gay people the right to stampede on that and demand "equal" rights. They can have civil unions. Case solved.

[Queen Zenobia]

If they didn't push to change the definition of marriage, I wouldn't. Marriage is a religious act which is why it is held in churches and it is between a man and a woman. What gives gay people the right to stampede on that and demand "equal" rights. They can have civil unions. Case solved.

 

I think gays would argue that if the government recognizes "straight" marriages, why not gay ones? If they can only have civil unions, than the same standard should apply to straight couples. They would argue that if you don't like gay marriage then don't get one, problem solved.

 

Regardless of you or others personally feel about gay marriage, the U.S. Constitution still allows each state to determine their own marriage laws via the 10th Amendment, that means that any state can decide to allow gay marriage if they so choose (or not). Until there is a Constitutional Amendment one way or the other, this issue will continue to play itself out state by state and in the federal courts over recognition issues (like the Defense of Marriage Act).

 

My personal opinion is that many states will begin to conclude that it is more economically feasible to grant marriage licenses to gay couples and then the debate will be over. Socio-economics is after all the biggest indicator of social change.

[DreamerGirl27]

I think gays would argue that if the government recognizes "straight" marriages, why not gay ones? If they can only have civil unions, than the same standard should apply to straight couples. They would argue that if you don't like gay marriage then don't get one, problem solved.

 

Regardless of you or others personally feel about gay marriage, the U.S. Constitution still allows each state to determine their own marriage laws via the 10th Amendment, that means that any state can decide to allow gay marriage if they so choose (or not). Until there is a Constitutional Amendment one way or the other, this issue will continue to play itself out state by state and in the federal courts over recognition issues (like the Defense of Marriage Act).

 

My personal opinion is that many states will begin to conclude that it is more economically feasible to grant marriage licenses to gay couples and then the debate will be over. Socio-economics is after all the biggest indicator of social change.

 

Did you completely miss my accurate point?

 

Marriage is a religious act, which is why it is held in church and it was intended, by God in the bible, to be between a man and a woman.

 

Gays got their panties in a knot when a church wouldn't allow them to do something (don't know which church, don't know about what, but that is how this all started). If gays don't like it, don't try to intrude on a Christian ritual. Get a civil union. There's no point in gay marriage, other than gays being butthurt about church not accepting them. Here's a thought. Don't go to church!

 

Do.some.research. Before you speak about something you have no clue about.

[Queen Zenobia]

Did you completely miss my accurate point?

 

Marriage is a religious act, which is why it is held in church and it was intended, by God in the bible, to be between a man and a woman.

 

Gays got their panties in a knot when a church wouldn't allow them to do something (don't know which church, don't know about what, but that is how this all started). If gays don't like it, don't try to intrude on a Christian ritual. Get a civil union. There's no point in gay marriage, other than gays being butthurt about church not accepting them. Here's a thought. Don't go to church!

 

Do.some.research. Before you speak about something you have no clue about.

 

Hmm...I presented you with the argument that gay rights activists would present. I said nothing of my own view on the morality of gay marriage, except that I believed that inevitably gay marriage would be legal in most states (and I never said whether that was good or not, and I never will on a forum like this). If you want to understand the issue you must understand what both sides are arguing and not stay limited to one side's views.

 

Marriage is not exclusively a Christian ritual by the way. Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, Zoroastrians, Druzes, etc. all get married and their ceremonies are called "marriages" and recognized as such by the law. With the exception of Muslims, all of their traditions are much older than Christianity. By your line of reasoning, anyone who is not Christian, or more particularly doesn't adhere to your view of Christianity, should not get married, they should get civil unions.

 

Again, I will not reveal how I feel about gay marriage (because it is complicated and because this issue is very explosive to people) but between this post and my other one I have laid out the legal and social dynamics involved. Feel free to do with them as you wish.

[DreamerGirl27]

Regardless, the history of marriage has been looked at as between a man and a woman.

[DreamerGirl27]

And I don't know where you are from, but America was founded by Christians, which is why it has so many Christian laws. That's where marriage laws came from. something like 80% of Americans are religious and it's just sad to see some of those values go down the drain because everyone has to be "equal". it's like saying rich people owe poor people some of their taxes. It's preposterous.

[DreamerGirl27]

We have separation of church and state now, but way back in 1700's, the founding fathers, were Christians and wrote the laws we have today. America has done nothing but try and change those laws ever since. Not that I think blacks should still be slaves, because I definitely don't, but I don't agree with letting gays be married. They aren't being beaten. Nobodies saying they can't be gay. We're just saying, stick with civil unions and leave marriage alone.

 

 

• Benjamin Franklin
  
• George Washington
  
• John Adams
  

 

• Thomas Jefferson
  
• John Jay
  

 

• James Madison
  
• Alexander Hamilton
  

Benjamin Franklin's parents were Puritans. Puritans believe that the bible is God's true law.

George Washintong: Washington's own contemporaries did not question his Christianity but were thoroughly convinced of his devout faith To say that he was not a Christian would be to impeach his sincerity and honesty.

John Adams was a Unitarian, which is a non-trinitarian Protestan Christian

thomas Jefferson: he was a nominal christain

 

I could go on...but our founding fathers were Christian and that is why the laws are in place. That's where they stem from and some people are for tradition, so long as it is not hurting anyone else and not allowing someone to get married is not hurting them when they have other options. It's just like a kid or a sibling saying, "but mommy, she has it, I want it too!!" In the long wrong we're probably saving gays by not allowing them to get married in most states. That way they don't have to get divorced.

 

I just think we're going down a very dark road by allowing gays to get married. Next thing you know, polygamist marriage will be accepted and then all hell will break loose.

[DreamerGirl27]

I'm just saying, the united states is liberal enough. We drink, we party, sex is glorified everywhere you look. How much more do people want? We were founded by Christians, but we are not a conservative country by any means. People just keep pushing for more and more and more, which is why it says in the bible that when the time comes for Jesus to return to Earth, the world will be in such turmoil you won't even recognize it. We are not Iraq where it is illegal for women to show their hair or be seen in public. We have so many freedoms here it's not even funny and to make such a big deal about whether or not gays get married...it's like, really? We have more important issues on hand. to attack some girl on the internet you don't even know because she has a conservative outlook on it is silly. I'm not saying you guys should not be for it, I'm just giving my point of view and it should not be bashed. It's not offensive, either. It's just different than yours and my view point comes from education.

 

Honestly...how offensive is it that I don't approve of gays. THEY STICK THEIR THINGS IN PEOPLE'S BUTTS.

 

That's pretty offensive in and of itself. Think about what you're defending before you defend it. Anal sex leads to aids and std's more so than other types of sex....that's a fact. The human butt was not meant for enter...it was meant for exit. there are tons of diseases and bacteria that you can get from the practice of that, but this is America...and we're sluts. So hell, straight people should do it too! Despite the fact that in most cases it HURTS like hell.

 

Are we gonna start defending prostitutes next?

 

I'm just saying, THINK people before you speak. You're fighting someone else's battle and a pretty gross one at that. You don't need to white knight gay people. Let them fight their own battles.

 

It's ridiculous.

[Trojan John]

Marriage is a legal contract that has to be authorised by the proper government entity for it to be valid. Religion is entirely unnecessary.

[Queen Zenobia]

I'm just saying, the united states is liberal enough. We drink, we party, sex is glorified everywhere you look. How much more do people want? We were founded by Christians, but we are not a conservative country by any means. People just keep pushing for more and more and more, which is why it says in the bible that when the time comes for Jesus to return to Earth, the world will be in such turmoil you won't even recognize it. We are not Iraq where it is illegal for women to show their hair or be seen in public. We have so many freedoms here it's not even funny and to make such a big deal about whether or not gays get married...it's like, really? We have more important issues on hand. to attack some girl on the internet you don't even know because she has a conservative outlook on it is silly. I'm not saying you guys should not be for it, I'm just giving my point of view and it should not be bashed. It's not offensive, either. It's just different than yours and my view point comes from education.

 

Honestly...how offensive is it that I don't approve of gays. THEY STICK THEIR THINGS IN PEOPLE'S BUTTS.

 

That's pretty offensive in and of itself. Think about what you're defending before you defend it. Anal sex leads to aids and std's more so than other types of sex....that's a fact. The human butt was not meant for enter...it was meant for exit. there are tons of diseases and bacteria that you can get from the practice of that, but this is America...and we're sluts. So hell, straight people should do it too! Despite the fact that in most cases it HURTS like hell.

 

Are we gonna start defending prostitutes next?

 

I'm just saying, THINK people before you speak. You're fighting someone else's battle and a pretty gross one at that. You don't need to white knight gay people. Let them fight their own battles.

 

It's ridiculous.

 

I'll be honest with you I hate "culture war" issues (gay marriage, abortion, sex education etc.). One, they're usually made from passionate and emotional perspectives and two, they take away from the much more interesting and important issue of economics and the importance of free trade.

 

As for what I bolded: I think equally educated people can disagree on this and any other issue. Your opinion is your opinion, it might be influenced by or enhanced by your education but there are plenty of people just as educated as you are (or even more so) who will disagree.

 

I don't view our great republic as an instrument for enforcing morality. Its job (the job of any legitimate government) is to carry out the will of the people. If that means gay marriage then that means gay marriage whether I like it (or you like it) or not.