StoneCold Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Honestly...how offensive is it that I don't approve of gays. THEY STICK THEIR THINGS IN PEOPLE'S BUTTS.. Straight people do this too...whats your point? Are we gonna start defending prostitutes next? . What do you have against prostitutes? I'm just saying, THINK people before you speak. You're fighting someone else's battle and a pretty gross one at that. You don't need to white knight gay people. Let them fight their own battles. It's ridiculous. Its ridiculous to think that your fighting someone else's battle if you beleive in freedom of expression. Its a matter of rights. The same rights that enable you to spew foolishness and offend others. You let them infringe on "someone else's rights" and they may start with "your rights" next Link to post Share on other sites
Yamaha Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 OP. You have strong opinions and I respect your right to express them. It takes guts to take a stand that is not popular in todays culture. Thank God for free speech and the right for everyone to express theirs. Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 OP. You have strong opinions and I respect your right to express them. It takes guts to take a stand that is not popular in todays culture. Thank God for free speech and the right for everyone to express theirs. Thank you. ColdStone is just rude and doesn't make any sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 Straight people do this too...whats your point? I don't, won't, and will never. What do you have against prostitutes? Um...LOL Its ridiculous to think that your fighting someone else's battle if you beleive in freedom of expression. Its a matter of rights. The same rights that enable you to spew foolishness and offend others. You let them infringe on "someone else's rights" and they may start with "your rights" next my rights aren't illegal. I'm a woman and I will marry a man. Link to post Share on other sites
erika2610 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Dreamergirl - there is nothing rude or nonsensical about what StoneCold has said. The point was not that you will never let a man "stick his thing up your butt" (how old are we?) - the point is that heterosexuals do one of the very things you are ranting about homosexuals doing. I don't see anybody in this thread with the exception of you being rude. Apparently to you, it's ok to be nasty to people and jump on the defense when they don't agree with you. Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) Thank you. ColdStone is just rude and doesn't make any sense. Yeah I'm rude and make no sense because I refute all your points You know what the issue is that I have with you? Its not that you disagree; you are entitled to your opinions. If you simply said "I beleive in abstinence and I dont support gay marriage because its against my beliefs".... I'd be fine with that. Its not your beliefs..its your reasoning to support your beleifs that are way off...You go and try to back up your beleifs using very weak and in many cases out right incorrect statements of "fact"...you also conveniently circumvent facts that undermine reasoning and you imply that you're so "right" and everyone else is so "wrong and wayward"..... So I expose your weak and untrue points, I hold you to the facts you circumvent, and I give you a taste of your own medicine... my rights aren't illegal. I'm a woman and I will marry a man. No your rights are not illegal and guess what...neither are theirs....If a man or woman wants to marry someone of the same sex because of their sexual orientation they should have that right...the same right you have. More things seem to go over your head than the seagulls Edited June 27, 2011 by StoneCold Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 Yeah I'm rude and make no sense because I refute all your points You know what the issue is that I have with you? Its not that you disagree; you are entitled to your opinions. If you simply said "I beleive in abstinence and I dont support gay marriage because its against my beliefs".... I'd be fine with that. Its not your beliefs..its your reasoning to support your beleifs that are way off...You go and try to back up your beleifs using very weak and in many cases out right incorrect statements of "fact"...you also conveniently circumvent facts that undermine reasoning and you imply that you're so "right" and everyone else is so "wrong and wayward"..... So I expose your weak and untrue points, I hold you to the facts you circumvent, and I give you a taste of your own medicine... No your rights are not illegal and guess what...neither are theirs....If a man or woman wants to marry someone of the same sex because of their sexual orientation they should have that right...the same right you have. More things seem to go over your head than the seagulls I don't think my arguments are fact, I know my arguments are fact. Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) I don't think my arguments are fact, I know my arguments are fact. LMAO...yeah facts based on myths, ignorance, broad generalities, questionable conclusions, and unsubstantiated theories... some "facts" you got there Oh and the very idea of you going around this thread saying "my arguments are my opinions" and then saying "my arguments are fact"...indicate just how confused you are. Opinions and facts are not the same thing and I think we all know this. lmao...you dont say "it is my opinion that the water compound is H2O"...thats a fact sweetheart...not an opinion Edited June 27, 2011 by StoneCold Link to post Share on other sites
KR10N Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 A fact is something that is true about a subject and can be tested or proven. An opinion is what someone thinks about that subject. Look for clues such as: "I believe...", "It's obvious...", or "They should..." Opinions & facts aren't the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Ross MwcFan Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 It's either a choice or a mental disorder. Yeah, I said it. ^ And here is evidence of what religion does to people. Link to post Share on other sites
PelicanPete Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 The problem isn't that you have different beliefs, it's that you're not being respectful to other peoples. If you don't respect our differences in opinion, why should we respect yours? BTW nice job dodging a response to my last post, but I guess you dug a pretty big hole for yourself so I don't blame you. Link to post Share on other sites
KR10N Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 ^ And here is evidence of what religion does to people.lmao. Link to post Share on other sites
erika2610 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Dreamergirl - methinks you need to actually look up the definition of "fact". Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 It's either a choice or a mental disorder. Yeah, I said it. This is the one and only rude post I've posted this entire thread and I admit it, but you guys are asking for it. It isn't even rude to anyone in here, just the people we're talking about. I retract that statement, and also apologize for something so rude about gay people, but still hold true to the fact that anal sex is not natural and gay people practice that (yes, straight people do as well), but it is indeed fact that it causes more std's and chances of aids, it's not mean to happen (it's not natural), whether people do it or not does not make it right and it is not something I am interested in doing, knowing this all this information about how dangerous the practice of that type of sex is. I also know to be fact that the human body was not meant to have sex with the same sex. It's not designed that way. It makes perfect, logical sense to me. Just because drugs are out there, doesn't make it right to do them. Just because alcohol is out there, doesn't make it any more good for you to drink it. Etc... just because people in fact, DO it, doesn't make it right. It makes every human being on the planet like the bible and God states. I'm no better than anyone else and I don't know why all of you are thinking I'm coming across that way. I'm sharing my beliefs. That I believe to be FACT. And I have strong opinions because I have strong FAITH. That is my problem with gay people. The facts. Yes, fact is, anal sex was not meant to physically happen to anybody. Doesn't matter whether it's done or not. Fact is, it's a dangerous practice and can leave permanent damage to your butt. Look it up. Google it. That is indeed fact. And the reason I state God is fact, is because faith is believing it to be fact and I'm just letting the rest of you know that there is indeed a God. If you don't want to listen to it, or take the EDUCATED proof I have, (I believe faith is enough proof) that's your own problem that you will have to deal with when you die. Faith is not believing it to be a myth, it's not believing it to be chance, it's not believing it to "maybe, possibly be true it's believing it to be fact. I think God is fact. Not fiction. Nothing you say can change that. I think people who don't believe, are in FACT, wrong. I will say from here until the day I die that God is an actual existence and is in FACT real. Thank you and good day. Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 This is the one and only rude post I've posted this entire thread and I admit it, but you guys are asking for it. It isn't even rude to anyone in here, just the people we're talking about. I retract that statement, and also apologize for something so rude about gay people, but still hold true to the fact that anal sex is not natural and gay people practice that (yes, straight people do as well), but it is indeed fact that it causes more std's and chances of aids, it's not mean to happen (it's not natural), whether people do it or not does not make it right and it is not something I am interested in doing, knowing this all this information about how dangerous the practice of that type of sex is. I also know to be fact that the human body was not meant to have sex with the same sex. It's not designed that way. It makes perfect, logical sense to me. Just because drugs are out there, doesn't make it right to do them. Just because alcohol is out there, doesn't make it any more good for you to drink it. Etc... just because people in fact, DO it, doesn't make it right. It makes every human being on the planet sinners, and imperfect, like the bible and God states. I'm no better than anyone else and I don't know why all of you are thinking I'm coming across that way. I'm sharing my beliefs. That I believe to be FACT. And I have strong opinions because I have strong FAITH. That is my problem with gay people. The facts. Yes, fact is, anal sex was not meant to physically happen to anybody. Doesn't matter whether it's done or not. Fact is, it's a dangerous practice and can leave permanent damage to your butt. Look it up. Google it. That is indeed fact. And the reason I state God is fact, is because faith is believing it to be fact and I'm just letting the rest of you know that there is indeed a God. If you don't want to listen to it, or take the EDUCATED proof I have, (I believe faith is enough proof) that's your own problem that you will have to deal with when you die. Faith is not believing it to be a myth, it's not believing it to be chance, it's not believing it to "maybe, possibly be true it's believing it to be fact. I think God is fact. Not fiction. Nothing you say can change that. I think people who don't believe, are in FACT, wrong. I will say from here until the day I die that God is an actual existence and is in FACT real. Thank you and good day. Fixed something in there. Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think I am coming across as holier than thou, is because, as Yamaha stated, I have very strong opinions and beliefs. It does not matter how much advice I am given, I believe and think how I think and if someone says something I agree with, I will take what they have to say into consideration. If not, then I won't. The only thing I am doing on these boards is using it like a blog and using it to vent and the only thing I need anyone else to do is listen and have a healthy, CIVIL debate. Most of you are trying to change my opinions about things and doing it in a nasty way. The way most of you are saying things is not civil or nice and that pushes my buttons. I am not a troll, my opinions are just very strong. Like I said...If someone has something to say that I find interesting or sparks my interest or that I think may have some validity, I will listen and be nice back. FloridaMan has been extremely nice to everyone on these boards, even to people who don't deserve it. I'm not that nice. I'm also very conservative and tend to find the ways liberals think about things a little off the wall. The liberals sign is a donkey, or in other words, an a**. There's a joke that liberals are a**es. Well, I'm a conservative a**. Yes, I admit it, but when someone starts being rude, I have a low tolerance for it. I also have a low tolerance for when I believe someone to be wrong. And I believe non-believers to be wrong. It's my OPINION and it's a strong one. Also, my opinions about gays are not popular, but again, as Yamaha stated, I'm entitled to my opinion. Barking that my opinion and my reasoning behind them are "stupid" or "not fact" or "mental" or whatever words people have stated is not kind and is just asking for trouble. If you want someone to be nice to you, be nice to them. I have stated how I feel, stated why I feel, nobody has responded to any of the "facts" I have stated, like how anal sex is not natural. I notice everyone ignored that. Because if you look it up, everything I am saying about it is accurate. But I don't wanna get on about that anymore. My reasoning behind my beliefs have been well researched, well educated, and well thought out. If you don't believe that to be true, keep your opinions to yourself about them not being true, because that is indeed rude. That is, if YOU'RE the ones not trolling and want to keep a debate healthy. I...am not the troll here. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 My abstinence education started in seventh grade at the hand of a 28 y/o very progressive nun who gave me a life lesson regarding the value of humans beyond the flesh and how sex plays a role in celebrating that value. Although the school was strict Catholic, she taught the mechanics of sex, procreation and expressions of love. I never heard 'don't to 'it' until marriage', rather 'share this very special part of yourself with someone you love and who loves you and within a committed relationship'. Obviously, with the period of 'free love' pretty much in full swing at that time (late 60's), this was probably the most 'abnormal' education a young person could possibly take to heart. Oh, well. I hope everyone else had a good time Link to post Share on other sites
TheLawmaker Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 While I accept your beliefs, DG, I also have to correct a misinterpretation. If practiced safely, anal sex doesn't have to be harmful. And even vaginal sex can lead to medical problems; I have a family member who works in the medical field, and I've heard all sorts of horror stories about the vagina being torn and the girl having to go to the hospital (and this is consensual, relationship oriented sex!) I think you have blinders on, and I understand that it's because of your religion and also because you don't have a lot of life experience. I am also Christian. The difference, though, is that I don't believe homosexuality is a sin. I refuse to get into a religious debate over it, because nobody ever wins...suffice it to say, those are my beliefs, and I'm sticking to them. You need to go to church, and find a Christian man (probably a conservative) who also shares your belief system and wants to wait. However, the majority of people (online and offline) will disagree with your belief system, that is just the way society works nowadays. You are living the 1950's fantasy, in a 2011 world. Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 This is the one and only rude post I've posted this entire thread and I admit it, but you guys are asking for it. It isn't even rude to anyone in here, just the people we're talking about. I retract that statement, and also apologize for something so rude about gay people, but still hold true to the fact that anal sex is not natural and gay people practice that (yes, straight people do as well), but it is indeed fact that it causes more std's and chances of aids, it's not mean to happen (it's not natural), whether people do it or not does not make it right and it is not something I am interested in doing, knowing this all this information about how dangerous the practice of that type of sex is. I also know to be fact that the human body was not meant to have sex with the same sex. It's not designed that way. It makes perfect, logical sense to me. Just because drugs are out there, doesn't make it right to do them. Just because alcohol is out there, doesn't make it any more good for you to drink it. Etc... just because people in fact, DO it, doesn't make it right. It makes every human being on the planet like the bible and God states. I'm no better than anyone else and I don't know why all of you are thinking I'm coming across that way. I'm sharing my beliefs. That I believe to be FACT. And I have strong opinions because I have strong FAITH. That is my problem with gay people. The facts. Yes, fact is, anal sex was not meant to physically happen to anybody. Doesn't matter whether it's done or not. Fact is, it's a dangerous practice and can leave permanent damage to your butt. Look it up. Google it. That is indeed fact. And the reason I state God is fact, is because faith is believing it to be fact and I'm just letting the rest of you know that there is indeed a God. If you don't want to listen to it, or take the EDUCATED proof I have, (I believe faith is enough proof) that's your own problem that you will have to deal with when you die. Faith is not believing it to be a myth, it's not believing it to be chance, it's not believing it to "maybe, possibly be true it's believing it to be fact. I think God is fact. Not fiction. Nothing you say can change that. I think people who don't believe, are in FACT, wrong. I will say from here until the day I die that God is an actual existence and is in FACT real. Thank you and good day. Ok so you have a problem with anal sex then? If your argument against gays is anal sex and STD transmission as a result of this then....you couldnt necessarily have a problem with gay people because straight people do it too and STDs dont descriminate. Your problem is anal sex.... because there are some gay people who dont partake in anal sex and just like to do everything else...(kiss, suck eachother off, foreplay, handjobs...) Also... Here is a definition of faith as per Oxford's dictionary: [mass noun] 1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something:this restores one's faith in politicians2 strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.[count noun] a particular religion:the Christian faith[count noun] a strongly held belief:men with strong political faithNotice no mention of the word "fact" anywhere in that definition. It even says that its based on spiritual conviction rather than proof (proof leads to facts). Now if your faith causes you to beleive certain things are "facts" then thats on you. But dont delude yourself...none of your beliefs are based on true facts...you just BELEIVE them to be facts as you see it in YOUR head; two different things. If thats the case and you wish to share them then go right ahead. But dont talk down to others like as if you truly do have the hard facts because in most cases you dont. Thats the difference between wayward Christians like you and reasonable christians like Lawmaker. See this is whats KILLING the conservatives. I'm a fiscal conservative and I beleive that from a fiscal standpoint they have strong arguments on running a country. But unfortunately they attract people like you and their entire mandate goes to pot when you start talking about the social issues...it just blankets over everything else and people turn away from it because they dont want to be lumped in with people the likes of you. Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 I give up. You people are hopeless at understanding what I am saying. Link to post Share on other sites
TheLawmaker Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Reminds me of the dude that went on the tv earlier today, and was talking about how Sodomy was going to lead to America being wiped off the map by God. Now THAT is what I call insane. Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I give up. You people are hopeless at understanding what I am saying. A formally educated individual would NEVER debate in the manner that you do. I spent 10 years in post secondary education, and you can't formulate a proper argument to save your life, let alone pass a basic 1st year class post highschool. Saying: "I believe, therefore it is fact" exposes you as someone that isn't educated in the least bit. An educated person will research both sides of the coin before coming to any sort of conclusion. If you think that you know everything you need to know about sexuality from Google- you're no one's valedictorian. You want to make a valid argument against gays? Then dig into the science behind it. Educate yourself on the opposite point of view before entering into a debate- otherwise you end up sounding like you don't know what you are talking about- which is the case with your whole "Having faith equals truth" argument. Going to a Bible study group once a week doesn't make you educated in the least bit. It actually puts you at a disadvantage to survive in the real world. Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I give up. You people are hopeless at understanding what I am saying. I dedicate this clip to you dreamergirl lol...... THE GAY BANDIDOS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANrvQC4wIk Link to post Share on other sites
dacian Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I give up. You people are hopeless at understanding what I am saying. dont give up:P Link to post Share on other sites
Author DreamerGirl27 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 dont give up:P They aren't worth it Dacian. They are probably all losers who have no lives who sit at home and like to go around boards and troll on everyone's threads. I'm not going to be their punching bag anymore. I put them all on block. Link to post Share on other sites
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