Author Els Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Agreed. If everyone agrees that women decline in attractivity as they get older, and men increase, should it not at least be said then that all young women are 'too good' for men their age, by that logic? Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Its funny how the OP lists the advantages of being a woman and at the same time refute them. Link to post Share on other sites
Dust Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 First of all, I don't buy in the 'poor me' bs, things have evolved the way they are for a good reason and you can't change evolutions forces. I wouldn't want to be a woman, but your list is very far off in that you forgot the most important things and focuses on ridiculously unimportant details (would you really want to be born a different sex if that meant you could fart amongs friends?) Oh no an evolution argument? I’m pretty sure the OP was just venting about guys who complain. Those guys are pretty sad and annoying in my opinion. -Virtually all women reproduce. There are alot more men that don't reproduce and whose genes extinct when their life ends. (I had the exact statistics somewhere' date=' not sure where so can't link to them, but I believe women reproduce just over 95% and men under 80%). This obviously means less frustrations, less chances of failing in life.[/quote'] Oh yes its evolution argument. Firstly, I evolved past just reproducing. Because if that was really my reason to live I’d envy bacteria and lesser life like bugs that reproduce in numbers and mass I’ll never hope to reach. I’d also spend my days donating sperm in hopes of fathering scores of children. Not to mention I could also travel around like Johnny apple seed in hopes of impregnating lots of women who don’t abort the baby. Is there really some magical or religious advantage to passing on your genes for that sake alone. I mean don’t get me wrong I enjoy sex a lot and do plan to have some kids some day but I don’t look at it in such evolutionary way of my genes going extinct. Your statistics seem pulled completely from your butt. I truly believe a man has a better chance at fathering children for the reasons listed above. First you can be with lots of women, heck even become a sperm donor. Second if your healthy enough and not sterile you can father children your entire adult life. Not to mention women find success sexy so even as a 50 or 60 year old man if you’re doing good in life you can date/marry a twenty something girl if that’s your thing. Far less likely to see a 60 year old women into or even capable of honestly marrying a twenty something man. Yes there are men out there afraid and stuck in there ways. But even poor men can father scores of children so the relatively well off guys we see complaining her are stuck in a hell of their own making. I agree they may never get out but that was their choice. (or chemical imbalance) -A child of a woman is 100% sure to be her own child. This means 0% chance of putting literally a lifetime of effort and support into someone elses genes. A man is never 100% sure. This is huge and one of the things that I would concider "unfair" if I believed there was such a concept in evolution. Granted' date=' science is closing the gap on this.[/quote'] Oh you believe in some kind of evolution you keep crying about it. It’s called a paternity test, you don’t even need any ones approval to do one. Just swab the baby/kids mouth and send it away for testing. I would science has closed the gap on this unless you want men to be the child bearer. Maybe you just want to clone and raise yourself? Absolute genetic preservation, seems to be all you worry about. -A woman can get laid whenever she wants' date=' with basically whoever she wants. If she is average looking, she can get her wealthy high status boss who's married to a model to bang her in the restroom during lunch. No woman realises how good they have it with this. Getting laid as a man, if you're average and are looking for an average partner, costs alot of planning, effort and mostly luck. Also, women can sleep around and not get judged if you don't make it too obvious. [/quote'] Most men here can get laid any time they want also. It’s called hookers. Can’t afford to pay for hookers on the regular basis you need go to a gay club and offer up good times to all. Those thinks might not suit your needs though. The same way a girl just randomly trying to get sex might not meet her needs. Not to mention its incredibly dangerous for every reason from violence to just ending up taking care of a kid with a father absent. Seriously if some random average looking girl came up to you and whispered in your ear lets have sex would you really just do it? I mean I know I don’t want that kind of drama in my life. I’ve seen really hot girls try to sleep with their favorite band members or what ever at a concert. Sure there will be groupies who get through especially when dealing with man sluts. Even then though most of them (even hot ones) will be turned away. That alone proves how wrong you are. No girl wants to be just randomly used by some guy. I mean some do, but most don’t. It’s not really an advantage to have something they could care less about. Not only could they care less most of them would be horrified to sleep with some random dude. Most men wouldn’t really want that. -If you're not having a good time' date=' someone will notice and take care of you. If you're thirsty, someone will get you a drink. If you're lonely, someone will come talk to you. If you're bored, someone will make you laugh. If a man is having a downer his friends will cheer him up for a while to not let him ruin their time, and women will stay away as if he got some contageous disease.[/quote'] I see tons of guys crying on here non stop and people don’t seem to be ignoring them. Man or Woman you will lose respect if you just feel sorry for yourself. I absolutely hate being around a crying woman. Being around a crying man is more uncomfortable though. -If you have bad sex' date=' it's only your own fault. You can tell a guy he's not getting it in again if you don't enjoy it, and you can just lay on your back and not contribute and still be sure he will do whatever is in his power to make sure you enjoy;). If you have bad sex with a woman, it still is better than no sex and she is aware of that, making her less likely to put much effort into it. [/quote'] You’ve completely lost me. As a man you can dump a woman if she doesn’t do it for you whether because of her lack of enthusiasm or what ever. The thing is just the fact that she is letting you put it in and she is sexy enough for you to want to put it in already goes a long way. Being a man and having sex probably is a lot better. Don’t start arguing about this. The grass is always greener on the other side. I agree the grass often does seem greener on the other side. It’s just really lame to complain about how easy women have it. It would be like a fishermen complaining about how easy fish have it. At least be jealous of other men lol. Link to post Share on other sites
tb24 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Even as a fairly androgynous guy, I'd have to say no. For the dating scene specifically, I would certainly have had more dates/partners as a girl. Mostly, however, it's because I'm useless at being able to tell when girls are interested, suffered with low self-esteem for a long time and find it really difficult to approach girls I like (even when I'm 95% sure they like me) girls aren't expected to make the first move so I suppose it would be easier. Even so, I don't think I'd choose to be a girl. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrlonelyone Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 None of what you said has anything to do with your thread. What does menses, menopause, etc... have to do with how people treat you. Some people are born female and don't have menses or menopause either? Are they somehow less female for it. If there is a difference between being a born woman and a transwoman it is this. Transgender women know that being a man isn't all that and aren't afraid to admit it. We also know that being a woman isn't all that and aren't afraid to admit it. The hard truth is and you can accept it or reject it... the two sexes and however many socially constructed genders there are aren't that different. Thanks for your viewpoint, Mrlonelyone! Very much appreciated. I wasn't really talking about choosing to undertake gender change surgery, but rather just choosing to be born as a man or woman, if you could. With all due respect, being a trans female is very different from being a biological female, and vice versa. For example, you do not have menses, menopause, PMS, get pregnant from sex, or have most of a woman's biological woes, and IIRC you retain most of your physical strength. That is not to say you don't face unique problems of your own, of course. The factors involved in choosing to change one's gender for real, IRL, are also definitely more complex than just 'which has the advantage', as you stated. For example, had it not been for the wonderful guy in my life right now, I would unapologetically say that I would probably have had an easier life if I had been born a man, and thus would answer 'yes' had my own question been reversed to me. But that does not mean that I'd do a sex change if my bf and I split - that procedure is not one that I would ever consider. I think your observations about men and women and fun times vs LTRs are spot on though. That is precisely why I told somedude that his chances of being in an LTR would probably not have increased if he had been female. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Els Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) None of what you said has anything to do with your thread. What does menses, menopause, etc... have to do with how people treat you. Some people are born female and don't have menses or menopause either? Are they somehow less female for it. If there is a difference between being a born woman and a transwoman it is this. Transgender women know that being a man isn't all that and aren't afraid to admit it. We also know that being a woman isn't all that and aren't afraid to admit it. The hard truth is and you can accept it or reject it... the two sexes and however many socially constructed genders there are aren't that different. My thread was definitely not about 'how people treat you'. Sorry if I struck a chord with you, but transgender women are biologically not female no matter how much you try and deny it. That is the hard truth, as you said. They can be a woman in all other ways... but not biologically. Yes, some biological women do not undergo menses or menopause (and I mean really do not, I don't mean stopping it with pills), but they are the rarity by far. Let's put it this way. One of the differences between a robot and a human is that the human is able to orgasm. That does not mean that an anorgasmic person is not a human, but the difference nevertheless stands. Edited June 29, 2011 by Elswyth Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Oh no an evolution argument? Saying this doesn't make the argument invalid Firstly, I evolved past just reproducing. Good for you, keep up the good work, champ. Because if that was really my reason to live I’d envy bacteria and lesser life like bugs that reproduce in numbers and mass I’ll never hope to reach. You don't really seem to get the concept. It's not about mass reproduction, it's about successfull reproduction that passes your genes through many more generations to come. While a single bug can reproduce 1000 times (I did pull this number out of my ass), if the average bug reproduced successfully more than twice the bug population would grow exponentially and in a matter of months the whole world would be covered in a layer of bugs. Your statement proves your lack of knowledge on the subject. I could also travel around like Johnny apple seed in hopes of impregnating lots of women who don’t abort the baby. While that indeed is a possible strategy, it's probably not the best strategy. Odds of impregnating someone in 1 night of sex aren't that good. Add to that that single mothers in thirld world countries aren't in a good spot usually, so if you do reproduce odds are you won't have grandchilderen very often. Add to that that the easy women, prostitutes, do have anticonception and the average woman isn't that effortless to get. Add to that that you would be planning to have alot of unprotected sex, thus a good chance you get some STD that will obviously have a negative inpact on your plan. Is there really some magical or religious advantage to passing on your genes for that sake alone. I mean don’t get me wrong I enjoy sex a lot and do plan to have some kids some day but I don’t look at it in such evolutionary way of my genes going extinct. Well, if your forefathers didn't think there was some advantage then you wouldn't be here. Your statistics seem pulled completely from your butt. I can assure you they are not. Read Spermwars, it's a great book. I was interested in it and went searching for numbers and found those numbers. I truly believe a man has a better chance at fathering children for the reasons listed above. First you can be with lots of women, heck even become a sperm donor. Second if your healthy enough and not sterile you can father children your entire adult life. Not to mention women find success sexy so even as a 50 or 60 year old man if you’re doing good in life you can date/marry a twenty something girl if that’s your thing. Far less likely to see a 60 year old women into or even capable of honestly marrying a twenty something man. It's the same as with the insect thing. Assuming a 50/50 split males/females, the average male will have 2 kids and the average female will also have 2 kids in a stable population. The standarddeviation is higher in men though, which eplains why there are more men with 0 kids and more men with high amounts of kids. You can get childeren your entire life, but you would give women a child and take chances away from other men to reproduce with her, meaning you will only reproduce higher than average because someone will reproduce lower than average. Yes there are men out there afraid and stuck in there ways. But even poor men can father scores of children so the relatively well off guys we see complaining her are stuck in a hell of their own making. I agree they may never get out but that was their choice. (or chemical imbalance) Money has nothing to do with it at all. Some people just have a hard time connecting with other people. These people tend to be unhappy and vent, or in some rare cases go through insane amounts of effort and soulsearching to catch up with average people. The amount of money in their bank account is completely irrelevant. Oh you believe in some kind of evolution you keep crying about it. Most of the scientific world does. Get over it. It’s called a paternity test, you don’t even need any ones approval to do one. Just swab the baby/kids mouth and send it away for testing. I would science has closed the gap on this unless you want men to be the child bearer. The "science closed the gap" comment was indeed a hint at paternity tests. Good that you figured it out. Maybe you just want to clone and raise yourself? Absolute genetic preservation, seems to be all you worry about. That doesn't make any sense. First of all, cloning humans is impossible. Secondly, cloning doesn't give you a clean sheet, like a newborn does. Thirdly cloning obviously doesn't make you evolve, you're standing still in an ever evolving world. Forthly, it's just weird and I have no desire to do so. Lastly, I like sex and girls. Most men here can get laid any time they want also. It’s called hookers. Can’t afford to pay for hookers on the regular basis you need go to a gay club and offer up good times to all. Cool story bro. Those thinks might not suit your needs though. The same way a girl just randomly trying to get sex might not meet her needs. Not to mention its incredibly dangerous for every reason from violence to just ending up taking care of a kid with a father absent. In my experience, women do like sex. Even with someone they just met. As long as he meets certain criteria. Seriously if some random average looking girl came up to you and whispered in your ear lets have sex would you really just do it? I mean I know I don’t want that kind of drama in my life. You're just being silly. If you were single and didn't have any prospects you would. Don't even argue about it. I’ve seen really hot girls try to sleep with their favorite band members or what ever at a concert. Sure there will be groupies who get through especially when dealing with man sluts. Even then though most of them (even hot ones) will be turned away. That alone proves how wrong you are. You're right about this. At least one thing. She can't have literally everyone she wants because there are a number of exceptions, but she can have almost anyone she wants. No girl wants to be just randomly used by some guy. I mean some do, but most don’t. It’s not really an advantage to have something they could care less about. Not only could they care less most of them would be horrified to sleep with some random dude. Most men wouldn’t really want that. As I said above, girls like sex more than you think. I see tons of guys crying on here non stop and people don’t seem to be ignoring them. Man or Woman you will lose respect if you just feel sorry for yourself. I absolutely hate being around a crying woman. Being around a crying man is more uncomfortable though. This is an internet forum. I was obviously talking about real life. You’ve completely lost me. As a man you can dump a woman if she doesn’t do it for you whether because of her lack of enthusiasm or what ever. The thing is just the fact that she is letting you put it in and she is sexy enough for you to want to put it in already goes a long way. Being a man and having sex probably is a lot better. Don’t start arguing about this. Because sex is alot harder to get, men tend to value it higher than women. Not sure if it indeed is better or not, I like the having control part but those 60 second orgasms do seem pretty damn nice too Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I want to ask the question I asked before. Would any women here be glad if LS was a woman's only board? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Els Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Nah. There are plenty of men here who are wonderful people and great posters. They aren't the ones this post is targeted at, though. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Nah. There are plenty of men here who are wonderful people and great posters. They aren't the ones this post is targeted at, though. True but LS is a place for people with relationship problems and this is what men these days go through in relationships so why is it so wrong to vent? If I could switch I wouldn't and not because being a man is so much easier but I was born a man and lived my life as a man so that is what I want to be. Women have their bunch of challenges as well but a man doesn't wake up in the morning having a red carpet laid out for him either, I mentioned divorce and child custody plus the jobs that have been hit the hardest in this economy are the traditionally male ones. The male working class in our country has been hit hard by the recession and no I am not blaming women for it. I sometimes think people think of men as these emotionless creatures who are pathetic if we show one hint of being actual human beings. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Els Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 There is a difference between venting, "I asked out five women and they rejected me!" and "Life sucks, it sucks to be a male, women have it soooooooooo easy". Basically, put your money where your mouth is. You think being a woman is sooooooooooo easy, you better be able to logically argue your case. Note that I'm using the universal you, of course. And AGAIN, the question is not whether you would switch or not. The question is whether you would rather HAVE been a woman. ie, if you could turn back time and change your genes. This is the third time I'm saying that. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I can't picture being anything other than a man so I would have to say no. I would say the same thing in reverse if I were born a woman. Link to post Share on other sites
Queen Zenobia Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 True but LS is a place for people with relationship problems and this is what men these days go through in relationships so why is it so wrong to vent? If I could switch I wouldn't and not because being a man is so much easier but I was born a man and lived my life as a man so that is what I want to be. Women have their bunch of challenges as well but a man doesn't wake up in the morning having a red carpet laid out for him either, I mentioned divorce and child custody plus the jobs that have been hit the hardest in this economy are the traditionally male ones. The male working class in our country has been hit hard by the recession and no I am not blaming women for it. I sometimes think people think of men as these emotionless creatures who are pathetic if we show one hint of being actual human beings. The economy is not sexist. It's not like the invisible hand of the market (or the Fed) woke up one day and said "gee, you know what can I do to ruin the lives of men". The reason why these labor intensive jobs in manufacturing and construction went down the drain is complicated, but it is not because of some vast conspiracy against men. In any occasion I do feel for the men who have problems in relationships just as I do with anyone who has issues. I don't blame men for thinking that women have it easier because from their perspective maybe women do. I'm not in their shoes so I really don't know, all I can say is that while I've had it easier than most people (met a wonderful guy early in life and we've had an incredible amount of good fortune) I don't think that men or women have it "easier" in any objective or measurable way. It's all very relative. Link to post Share on other sites
oaks Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 And AGAIN, the question is not whether you would switch or not. The question is whether you would rather HAVE been a woman. ie, if you could turn back time and change your genes. This is the third time I'm saying that. People can't follow instructions in a self-help internet forum. Are you surprised? Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 The economy is not sexist. It's not like the invisible hand of the market (or the Fed) woke up one day and said "gee, you know what can I do to ruin the lives of men". The reason why these labor intensive jobs in manufacturing and construction went down the drain is complicated, but it is not because of some vast conspiracy against men. In any occasion I do feel for the men who have problems in relationships just as I do with anyone who has issues. I don't blame men for thinking that women have it easier because from their perspective maybe women do. I'm not in their shoes so I really don't know, all I can say is that while I've had it easier than most people (met a wonderful guy early in life and we've had an incredible amount of good fortune) I don't think that men or women have it "easier" in any objective or measurable way. It's all very relative. I said I don't blame women for it but these jobs have always been traditionally male. The female dominated jobs are next and it is already happening. There is a new cashier at my supermarket who a few years ago was very successful and is now working at this job after being laid off. All this gender war stuff is distracting us from the fact that we are moving towards a society where the middle class is dying and soon the only people doing well will be the rich and elite. Link to post Share on other sites
Queen Zenobia Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I said I don't blame women for it but these jobs have always been traditionally male. The female dominated jobs are next and it is already happening. There is a new cashier at my supermarket who a few years ago was very successful and is now working at this job after being laid off. All this gender war stuff is distracting us from the fact that we are moving towards a society where the middle class is dying and soon the only people doing well will be the rich and elite. Well I don't think this thread was meant to evolve into an economics discussion. I think innovation is the future of the economy, people developing new things, new technologies, etc. This is the case for both genders. I won't say how I think this should be done, but from my signature line you can probably guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Els Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 People can't follow instructions in a self-help internet forum. Are you surprised? Well I don't think this thread was meant to evolve into an economics discussion. I think innovation is the future of the economy, people developing new things, new technologies, etc. This is the case for both genders. I won't say how I think this should be done, but from my signature line you can probably guess. Tell me about it. This thread was not meant to evolve into half of what it turned into. Well, I have about 5 answers from men, all of them no. Leads me to believe those men who go all 'Women have it SO EASY' don't really believe what they themselves are saying - they're just saying it for the sake of whining. After all, if being a woman was truly as clear-cut an 'advantage' in life as they like to say it is, why would they not want to? Most poor men offered a chance at being a rich man would not say, "Nah, I've been poor all my life and have never known what being rich would be like, so I'll just stick to being poor", or "I don't want to be rich because I don't want to keep my money in a bank", or anything of the sort. Most of them would say, "Sure". On the other hand, I know at least five women, both online and IRL, who say they would have preferred to be a man if they could have chosen prior to their birth. Hmm? Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Most sex changes are from male to female instead of the other way around. I also think that some women think men get the red carpet laid out for them while men are more realistic that life is not fair to anybody except very few people. Not to be sexist but I think women suffer from grass is greener syndrome much more than men tend to. Also you are the one who compares being female to being poor when there are plenty of rich women. Nobody is born rich or poor but people are born a certain gender and it is not considered a disability. Link to post Share on other sites
Queen Zenobia Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Most sex changes are from male to female instead of the other way around. I think that's because it's an easier technique, not because of some great desire to be female. I also think that some women think men get the red carpet laid out for them while men are more realistic that life is not fair to anybody except very few people. Not to be sexist but I think women suffer from grass is greener syndrome much more than men tend to. Also you are the one who compares being female to being poor when there are plenty of rich women. Nobody is born rich or poor but people are born a certain gender and it is not considered a disability. You won't see me complaining about life not being fair, but for a long period of time the grass was greener (albeit slightly) for men: the right to vote, the right to own property, the right to work, etc. In many societies that's still the case. Regardless, the OP's point was to question whether or not the men who complain about women having it easier than men would really choose to be a woman given the facts surrounding both genders. Considering everything my answer would be that it's 6 one way half a dozen the other. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Els Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Most sex changes are from male to female instead of the other way around. I also think that some women think men get the red carpet laid out for them while men are more realistic that life is not fair to anybody except very few people. Not to be sexist but I think women suffer from grass is greener syndrome much more than men tend to. Really? Where are you getting that from? Certainly not from these forums, I would think? I would hardly call many of the male posters here 'realistic'. :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: Sex changes are a completely different thing. FYI, the sex change procedure from male to female is a lot more successful and realistic in many areas than the procedure from female to male. Also, society is more accepting of a woman acting like a man than a man acting like a woman, so women who are truly trapped in a man's body often feel that a sex change procedure would benefit them more. And so on. Also you are the one who compares being female to being poor when there are plenty of rich women. Nobody is born rich or poor but people are born a certain gender and it is not considered a disability. Dude, it was an analogy. If I say that men and women are as different as apples and oranges, does that mean that I'm comparing men to apples? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Els Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 I think that's because it's an easier technique, not because of some great desire to be female. You won't see me complaining about life not being fair, but for a long period of time the grass was greener (albeit slightly) for men: the right to vote, the right to own property, the right to work, etc. In many societies that's still the case. Regardless, the OP's point was to question whether or not the men who complain about women having it easier than men would really choose to be a woman given the facts surrounding both genders. Considering everything my answer would be that it's 6 one way half a dozen the other. You got my point!!!!!!! :bunny::bunny: Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites
Untouchable_Fire Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 This is something that has always piqued my curiousity, since I've been on these boards. See, in all my years of life, I've never encountered a man IRL complaining about 'how unfair things are to men' before, or at least not in the 'women have it good all the way and it sucks to be a man' fashion of a handful of the male posters on this board. Why don't you hear men talking about this stuff in real life? Have you ever considered the answer to that question? I have been forced to listen to women snivel and complain and cry since I started dating. Women have an outlet for this kind of bull****. It is socially acceptable for women to cry to anyone and everyone about their divorce, kids, social problems... ect. Men don't do that... actually we CAN'T. Most guys understand if they come a woman and bitch about life most women start to lose respect for you. Sure there are exceptions, like if you want to specifically bitch about your wife... lots of women just eat that up. Also... anything that requires advice... because she easily can make it all about her. As a guy you just have to be VERY selective regarding which women you use for emotional support. In this forum, guys can just dump all the bad feelings because its anonymous. So, the next time you want to start a thread about this just sit down and actually think outside yourself for once. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Also if you complain about your wife that gives her in an to possible start an affair. Men who come on here don't see the female posters as dating material so we feel free to vent. Also women complain all the time about everything under the sun and even when it is all self inflicted some still act like the poor victim. How many posts on here do you see from women who chose to get involved in affairs then cry when it blows up in their face. Most of them on here who complain tried to have honest and healthy relationships. Link to post Share on other sites
Untouchable_Fire Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Well, I have about 5 answers from men, all of them no. Leads me to believe those men who go all 'Women have it SO EASY' don't really believe what they themselves are saying - they're just saying it for the sake of whining. After all, if being a woman was truly as clear-cut an 'advantage' in life as they like to say it is, why would they not want to? Most poor men offered a chance at being a rich man would not say, "Nah, I've been poor all my life and have never known what being rich would be like, so I'll just stick to being poor", or "I don't want to be rich because I don't want to keep my money in a bank", or anything of the sort. Most of them would say, "Sure". On the other hand, I know at least five women, both online and IRL, who say they would have preferred to be a man if they could have chosen prior to their birth. Hmm? The difference is more of a self esteem issue. I don't think it would be bad to be born a woman, but I'm very happy with MYSELF as a man. I might have some issue with how our society treats gender issues... but at the end of the day, I like myself. The women your referencing, probably don't like themselves much at all. From what I see, women who have healthy self esteem would not trade being female for anything. The women who run around cheating, lying, sleeping with anything... ect... Usually hate themselves and wish for something different. I have a theory that you can put most women into categories of self absorption. The least self absorbed are the kindest and happiest, the most are simply terrible people and very unhappy with life. Men it's a touch different because those who are too selfless don't get much respect. They get crapped on by both genders. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Even though I completely struggle in the relationship aspect and know things will be so much easier if I were a woman; I strongly identify as being a man. I have a male mind and can never imagine myself as a woman. It's not possible for me to say that I rather be a woman since I have never been one. Link to post Share on other sites
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