musemaj11 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I would wanna be a woman only if I would be a beautiful woman. Link to post Share on other sites
Untouchable_Fire Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I love the irony of a thread designed to bitch about other people bitching. What gives the OP licence to act indignant when she does no better than those she is complaining about? Link to post Share on other sites
Disillusioned Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 So. To those male posters who spend all their time here talking about that - would you really rather have chosen to be a woman? See, if life is sooooo good for women, and sooooo horrible for men, why would you not choose to be a woman if you could've? Of course, DUH!!! All I'd have to do is let down my force field whenever I'm feeling a little bored. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 No straight man would want to be a woman simply because subsconsciously he can't shake off the thought of being intimate with another man. So this thread is very stupid and the starter is possibly not very intelligent herself. Link to post Share on other sites
Jynxx Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I wouldn't touch snookie with a ten foot pole. She's not even that attractive, she's a tomboy. If I wanted to sleep with a man, I would. Understatement of the week imo. 100% agree with the two posts before me Link to post Share on other sites
krz12 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Even though I completely struggle in the relationship aspect and know things will be so much easier if I were a woman; I strongly identify as being a man. I have a male mind and can never imagine myself as a woman. It's not possible for me to say that I rather be a woman since I have never been one. The one thing that irks me is the number of neurotic crazy females I know who bounce from relationship to relationship, and still somehow manage to land guy after guy after guy somehow. But an otherwise normal guy whose only crime is being a bit socially awkward? He tends to be stuck alone. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I'm not sure what it is. Link to post Share on other sites
krz12 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Oh, there's a reason. It's because the genders are unequally stacked, in favor of women. I'm sure you didn't need me to tell you that! It's not quite that simple I don't think. If they were picking up 20-30 year olds who haven't really been in a relationship, well, he's going to take what he can get. I get that. But they often manage to snag 'normal' dudes who got laid in high school and who can obviously do better. Yet these neurotic females manage to wrangle them in, for at least a short time. Link to post Share on other sites
lino Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 It's obvious that the average woman has a considerable advantage over the average man when it comes to dating & relationships. Even considering that, I wouldn't wish to have been born a woman. For me there is much more to life than just dating & relationships. I wouldn't even want the ability to easily take the kids and assets away from someone after a divorce. I doubt I'd be able to sleep at night after doing something like that. The one thing that irks me is the number of neurotic crazy females I know who bounce from relationship to relationship, and still somehow manage to land guy after guy after guy somehow. But an otherwise normal guy whose only crime is being a bit socially awkward? He tends to be stuck alone. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I'm not sure what it is. Unfortunately that's how things are most of the times. Funnily enough these types of women will bounce between men who are pretty much the exact opposite to the type of guy they'd describe if you ask them 'What type of man do you like?' Link to post Share on other sites
Author Els Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 No straight man would want to be a woman simply because subsconsciously he can't shake off the thought of being intimate with another man. <<insert random strawman insult>> Good point, actually. I sorta forgot when I started this thread, that the very whiners it was aimed at probably did not have the imagination and wit to grasp the fact that had they actually been born a woman, they would not be repelled by being with a man, thus rendering the 'I don't want to be a woman because I can't stand the thought of being with a man' argument moot. Which does make this thread a little pointless. Really, though, honey, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You claiming that others are less intelligent is really akin to an amoeba calling a monkey unevolved. Link to post Share on other sites
PinkInTheLimo Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Didn't you forget the big female advantage? Women, as a general rule, live longer than men. Yeah, but in their last years there are no more men to share that long life with them so not sure that is really positive . Link to post Share on other sites
P&R Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Here is one you missed, label it under advantage. A woman can decide she's bored and walk away from a marriage much easier than a man can. A woman holds all the cards. Say the said married couple has children. They go through the divorce proceedings and now they have a terrible custody battle. The man wants the kids at least half of the time, the woman wants the kids 75% of the time. In almost every case the woman will be awarded custody of the children. The man can expect to only get every other weekend with his children even if he wants to be more involved in his childrens life. The woman is completely in control. Now that we've established that the man gets to see his children every other weekend he is now hit with child support, and alimony. Child support is necessary, however the laws are draconian and unjust. It has become a form of alimony itself. For example... Charlie Sheen was just ordered to pay 55 thousand dollars a month in child support. While Sheen is a grade a D-bag it does not cost 55 thousand dollars a month to support two children. If a woman gets a good lawyer she can rake her exhubby over the coals and take a HUGE portion of his income away, more than necessary. Moreover if the man the laws are unfair if the man falls on hard times and can't pay. He faces the proposition of prison time. Alimony is something that is archaic. Why should a man have to pay to maintain his ex wifes lifestyle? In the 50s this was needed, because a woman had no proposition of a career outside of nursing, and administrative careers. In order to live a woman needed this money. Now-a-days women make almost as much as men. They can build careers in any feild, the sky is now the limit. Despite this alimony still is alive and well. (laws very from state to state). Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Yeah, but in their last years there are no more men to share that long life with them so not sure that is really positive . The way some misandrists talk about men they probably would love a world with no men around. I am not talking about all women though. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Good point, actually. I sorta forgot when I started this thread, that the very whiners it was aimed at probably did not have the imagination and wit to grasp the fact that had they actually been born a woman, they would not be repelled by being with a man, thus rendering the 'I don't want to be a woman because I can't stand the thought of being with a man' argument moot. But you dont understand. Due to social conditioning men especially American men are deeply homophobic at subconscious level. "You are gay" is like the most often thrown insults among guys. Its really hard as a guy to shake off the thought that if I were a woman, I would have to be with another man. YUCK!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I very much am a supporter of gay rights yet I have no desire whatsoever to be with another man. Link to post Share on other sites
musemaj11 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 It would be better off to start a thread comparing the advantages and disadvantages between the genders than asking "Would You Wanna Be This or That Gender?" Link to post Share on other sites
SoleMate Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Women get into FWB situations with guys because they let it happen. I have no sympathy for a girl who is in that situation and is upset because they want more than sex. That's true. And so is the following: Men get into friendzone situations with women because they let it happen. I have no sympathy for a boy who is in that situation and is upset because he wants more than friendship. Link to post Share on other sites
GoodOnPaper Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Men get into friendzone situations with women because they let it happen. I have no sympathy for a boy who is in that situation and is upset because he wants more than friendship. He has every right to be upset. However, if he continues the relationship once the friendzone thing is out in the open and he's still upset, that's a different story . . . Link to post Share on other sites
SoleMate Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 A woman can decide she's bored and walk away from a marriage much easier than a man can. A woman holds all the cards....The woman is completely in control.....it does not cost 55 thousand dollars a month to support two children. If a woman gets a good lawyer she can rake her exhubby over the coals and take a HUGE portion of his income away, more than necessary. Moreover the laws are unfair if the man falls on hard times and can't pay. He faces the proposition of prison time.....Despite this alimony still is alive and well. (laws very from state to state). Sorry, you completely misunderstand family law in the United States. A woman will typically see her living standard go down after divorce. A man sees his go up. A woman generally does not hold the cards of access to employment paying what the man can make. Either party to a divorce can attempt to rake the other over the coals. If the man controls the money, or more money, he can more easily hire a lawyer and do better in the battle (if that's what he chooses to make it). There is no expectation that child support or alimony should be limited to the bare necessities. Instead, the target is to maintain the same lifestyle enjoyed during the marriage, insofar as that is possible. For women it typically is not possible. If you don't agree with the laws that mandate attempted maintenance of the children's or ex-spouse's living standards, take that up with your legislature and see if you can get the "bare necessities only" standard enacted. (What arguments would you make as to why this is fair?) Any person who can't pay child support or alimony due to financial hardship can petition to have the new circumstances taken into account. Prison is an extremely rare option, only for those with the ability to pay who persistently flout their obligations. I don't believe any state retains laws discriminating between male and female parents with respect to child support and alimony. (Any such remnant laws can easily be attacked on the basis of equal protection.) All in all, the post quoted above is a great example of a "woe-is-me" man story, completely untenable when compared with the facts. Divorce is painful and troubling for both parties in the vast majority of cases. Link to post Share on other sites
grkBoy Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I think the problem still is too many of the "woe is me" guys: 1) Think quantity and quality are the same thing, and that because women can get 100 dates easily it means they're "better off". I still say imagine being a woman and going on 100 dates that end up all being "I just want sex" guys. 2) Think they shouldn't have to change who they are. They buy into the "accept me as I am" mentality, but can't seem to get why women decided not to accept them. You have to be your best self and be someone these women want. You don't have to totally be someone else, but improve on what you are. 3) Spend way too much time asking "why is life unfair?" and continually dance around attempting to change that. Like somehow they felt cheated in the world and think eventually the world should owe them big. It's naive. I won't lump the "I don't trust women one bit" guys in with the "woe is me" guys. I think those guys who continually try to paint all women as evil and preach to men to get vasectomies, be misogynists, and never marry have their own issues and need therapy. I understand if you got burned. We all have...but I won't blame females in general for a few bad apples. Link to post Share on other sites
SoleMate Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Even child support awarded is not reliably paid. According to the Census Bureau, in 2005 only 46% of custodial parents received the full child support the court had ordered. Twenty-three percent received nothing. http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-234.pdf Custodial parents include women AND men. Link to post Share on other sites
GoodOnPaper Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I still say imagine being a woman and going on 100 dates that end up all being "I just want sex" guys. The analogy doesn't quite work -- my heterosexuality gets in the way when I try to imagine this. Instead, I find myself wondering how many of those 100 guys the woman will still sleep with and wishing I was one of those guys who could get "just sex". Link to post Share on other sites
Disillusioned Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 The way some misandrists talk about men they probably would love a world with no men around. Not really. The kind of misandrists you speak of would have a pretty short-lived victory celebration, once they realized there were no men to feel superior to. Can't have tea for two without the tea... Link to post Share on other sites
Monm82 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I woudn't mind being a woman. Life would be so much more interesting, and easier in some ways. Especially, me being an attractive woman who prefers women. Link to post Share on other sites
grkBoy Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 The analogy doesn't quite work -- my heterosexuality gets in the way when I try to imagine this. Instead, I find myself wondering how many of those 100 guys the woman will still sleep with and wishing I was one of those guys who could get "just sex". True, but the reality (based on my experiences in dating, observation, and female friends I have) is that most of the time, women don't know. They go out on several dates with a guy, not mention "relationship" because they've been told it will scare the guy off, sleep with him, then suddenly find out he's not looking for a relationship. Look how many women come on these boards asking for some magic method to find out what the man's intentions are BEFORE she jumps into bed. Now, I'm not trying to be one of those guys who shows he has a woman in his life and/or has women interested in him, acting like it's "so easy" and making myself out to be some ladies man who never had troubles. I'm far from that fantasy. I was a "woe is me" guy. I'm totally being honest here. I was the guy on these boards complaining about my dating life, the troubles I faced, and feeling like the world is so unfair and believing women only wanted guys who treat them like crap. I came into puberty a very shy and insecure male. I had no spine or backbone and thus couldn't approach, socialize, and deal with women. I had a hell of a time just breaking down and asking one out. I was overweight, dressed slobby, and was a bit socially inept and strange. After all, I was a big geek back in my youth (and I still am now). My first girlfriend was at age 22, and it fell apart because she honestly needed a therapist more than a boyfriend. I tried for many other women through college, but I was coming off to them as the shy insecure doormat nice guy, and these women wanted masculine fun loose outgoing MEN. Forget "bad boy", they just wanted guys who came off as MEN. That means they're not afraid to do things, and don't always play by the rules. They like to have fun, and not adhere to some strict morality code. Some women love the guys who are more a challenge, but most women simply want the guy to look and feel like a man next to her, not "one of the girls". Throughout my 20s and into my early 30s, my love life was mainly long droughts that would last years, and then a few dates or even a short-term RL. I had one woman who is a nice girl, but she was also very controlled by her family, naive, sheltered, and practiced abstinence before marriage. We fell apart after three years because she wanted a man who held a normal job, lived on his own, and thus she could marry and have a family with him. I was struggling to get my career going in the post dotcom crash, and she couldn't understand just how hard things are. After we broke up, I had then pursued more "outgoing" women...but found they too more or less wanted the narcissistic yuppie types who made big money and partied like rockstars. We could make an argument saying women like bad men, but I more saw it that I was chasing the wrong women. I had gotten involved with two other women at different points. Both were psychological messes (see a pattern here?) One was raped by an ex months before she met me, and thus would go hot and cold. Another didn't trust men, but she wanted me to party with her and sleep with her. Finding out this one slept with 40 guys before me (and a few women) kind of turned me off. NOW...the one naive ex, the party girls, and these last two weirdos...that was just in my late 20s and into my early 30s. So I went from long drought to weirdos. I had gone on these boards in the "woe is me" fashion, but eventually had to learn that I had to value me. That's what I am trying to instill into everyone here. Stop griping on how women are chasing other guys, but not you. Perhaps instead look and really see if these women would make you happy in life. Stop claiming women are shallow. Look at yourself and ask if you could stand to lose 10-20 lbs, maintain a stable job, and learn to dress and carry yourself better. I'll tell you, read some books on how to talk to people, socialize, etc. Self-help books. Believe me...they work. Forget the PUA stuff. Just read something like "How to Win Friends & Influence People" and learn how to be loose and sociable. Outside of some weight loss and fashion change, the improvement in how I socialized is what made women suddenly want to date me as opposed to wanting to friendzone me. Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 True, but the reality (based on my experiences in dating, observation, and female friends I have) is that most of the time, women don't know. They go out on several dates with a guy, not mention "relationship" because they've been told it will scare the guy off, sleep with him, then suddenly find out he's not looking for a relationship. Sorry but that doesn't make this 'woe-is-me' guy feel any better. If women didn't enjoy sex at all, maybe it would make a difference. The closest thing a guy can get to that situation, is being friendzoned by a girl. And the guy gets absolutely nothing out of it. All the trouble about a girl not knowing what the guy wants before she sleeps with him can be solved with a little communication beforehand, intuition and common sense. If a guy has a reputation of being a player, he's probably not going to commit. But of course she'll sleep with him anyways then complain that he just wants sex. Duh. Mr. 'Woe-is-me' accepts being friendzoned because it's either that or having no female companionship whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites
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