I Want to Sleep With My Hubby's Friend

[sally4sara]

It's just theories based on senseless, horny people who like cucking each other, which can be easily challenged. I would type some responses to each of these articles but I don't have a lot of time to do that.

 

You mean you don't have an argument of any worth. You got all the time in the world to regurgitate your fears on loveshack tho.

 

Please don't tell me you're a hotwife?LOL

 

Why would I be responsible for or even into what most men find sexually arousing? I am not a man so certainly not most men. What they find enticing has nothing to do with me.

[Jason Todd]

I just checked a popular site's tag counts. How many videos containing themes involving more than more men than women, more than one guy but only one woman, and cuckoldry? 25,072!

 

How many videos were about FMF, reverse gangbang (that was not homosexual porn), even cheating husband caught? 3264!

 

What's the name of the site? And even if those numbers are true () that doesn't mean anything. For all I know they could be fabricated.

 

I don't know why you're arguing about this or taking it personal. I don't make porn movies or write these studies. I'm not even claiming women are into these themes or that I am into these themes. Take it up with those who do.

 

I'm not taking it personal just because I don't agree with your heavy support of cuckoldry and silly assumptions of men and their private parts so you can take that up with someone else.

 

Sharing information. Is something wrong with that?

 

I don't recall saying anything was wrong with that.

 

If I share the religious beliefs of someone or someones I met would you be arguing with me about what they told me they have faith in or would you argue it with them if arguing needed to be done?

 

Yes I would, because you SHARE THOSE SAME BELIEFS!LOL:laugh:

[Jason Todd]

You mean you don't have an argument of any worth. You got all the time in the world to regurgitate your fears on loveshack tho.

 

No I have an argument, it's just that I don't have the time to formulate it into an essay.

 

Why would I be responsible for or even into what most men find sexually arousing? I am not a man so certainly not most men. What they find enticing has nothing to do with me.

 

You're wrong again. A lot of men do not find that sexually arousing but if it has nothing to do with you specifically, then why support it? Are you a hotwife with a bull?

[sally4sara]

What's the name of the site? And even if those numbers are true () that doesn't mean anything. For all I know they could be fabricated.

 

I don't think we are allowed to link porn sites. I found similar averages on a couple others. Go to one you use and do your own math. Its the only way you'll listen.

 

I'm not taking it personal just because I don't agree with your heavy support of cuckoldry and silly assumptions of men and their private parts so you can take that up with someone else.

 

I don't support it. Men do. They purchase the vast majority of porn.

These themes only hold more work and less personal time for women. And its more about catering to the desires of men at the expense of the individual. Who has time for that ****?

You sound like those people who got all offended over Darwin's evolutionary research findings.

 

Yes I would, because you SHARE THOSE SAME BELIEFS!LOL

 

I do believe the design on the male penis is to better his own reproductive odds within a non monogamous species - yes. We are only monogamous by force of will, not by nature's intent.

[sally4sara]

No I have an argument, it's just that I don't have the time to formulate it into an essay.

 

 

 

You're wrong again. A lot of men do not find that sexually arousing but if it has nothing to do with you specifically, then why support it? Are you a hotwife with a bull?

 

I didn't write an essay. Why would you need to? Is English a second language for you and that's why? You need 5 times the words to argue with someone's impersonal statement about something they've read?

[Jason Todd]

I don't think we are allowed to link porn sites. I found similar averages on a couple others. Go to one you use and do your own math. Its the only way you'll listen.

 

So like I said, they could be fabricated.

 

I don't support it. Men do. They purchase the vast majority of porn.

These themes only hold more work and less personal time for women. And its more about catering to the desires of men at the expense of the individual. Who has time for that ****?

 

A lot of men do not support it.

 

You sound like those people who got all offended over Darwin's evolutionary research findings.

 

Firstly you don't know what I sound like. Secondly I'm not offended because I don't agree with you. Thirdly Darwin's "evolutions" are full of cow dung.

 

I do believe the design on the male penis is to better his own reproductive odds within a non monogamous species - yes. We are only monogamous by force of will, not by nature's intent.

 

And this is why I say these "theories" are so full of sh*t. Assuming we're somehow "forced" to be with one partner so a flock of horny people who like to cheat/screw others for a living try to come up with some bullsh*t scientific theory to justify their selfish wants. If that's what you believe then why are you married? And it seems you keep avoiding the question that I keep asking you, which proves my point even more.

[Jason Todd]

I didn't write an essay. Why would you need to? Is English a second language for you and that's why?

 

Because my time is needed elsewhere then to write long paragraphs explaining why these theories are so full of cow dung.

 

You need 5 times the words to argue with someone's impersonal statement about something they've read?

 

Your statement is not impersonal, but personal, considering you intentionally refuse to answer the question I keep asking you: Are you a hotwife with a bull?

[sally4sara]

If that's what you believe then why are you married? And it seems you keep avoiding the question that I keep asking you, which proves my point even more.

 

I love my husband. We make a great team. Two people can get more done than one.

 

Notice I have not insinuated anything untoward about your character or moral standing?

 

Notice you repeatedly try to do so to me for nothing other than sharing info I found? Why are you so upset that I'm sharing what I found? Why does me sharing it require me to be involved in it? Again, if I talked about say.....rugby, would you be so intent on painting me as a rugby player? If I shared a book I read about a serial killer, would you be so intent to paint me as a serial killer? NOPE. This is a personal thing to you so you figure it must be to me as well. Quit being so emotional and irrational. People talk about lots of things they don't participate in.

 

More than 50 percent divorce rate with infidelity being the main reason and you want to argue about whether monogamy is natural or down to one's will power?!? I'm sorry sir but I'm not going to waste more time on you while you poke your fingers in your ears and go "NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH! You're prolly just a hotwife"

 

Fer effs sake, I look good but whether or not I am hot is a matter of opinion.

[Jason Todd]

I love my husband. We make a great team. Two people can get more done than one.

 

Notice I have not insinuated anything untoward about your character or moral standing?

 

So we're going to lie now??

 

Notice you repeatedly try to do so to me for nothing other than sharing info I found? Why are you so upset that I'm sharing what I found? Why does me sharing it require me to be involved in it?

 

Why do you keep saying I'm upset about this because I don't agree with you? What's up with posters doing that? Just gotta assume a poster is bitter when you can't even see them through the computer screen.

 

And why are so defensive about the question I keep asking you? Why not just answer it?

 

Again, if I talked about say.....rugby, would you be so intent on painting me as a rugby player?

 

Yes if you are well versed in it. If that is not true then it's a simple misunderstanding.

 

If I shared a book I read about a serial killer, would you be so intent to paint me as a serial killer? NOPE.

 

Yes I would. But then again I probably could never know you are a serial killer would I?

 

This is a personal thing to you so you figure it must be to me as well. Quit being so emotional and irrational. People talk about lots of things they don't participate in.

 

This is nothing personal or emotional for me so that assumption is moot.

 

More than 50 percent divorce rate with infidelity being the main reason and you want to argue about whether monogamy is natural or down to one's will power?!?

 

Believe me, that's not an argument, it's a fact. This has nothing to do with those silly "theories" on monogamy and sleeping with every thing that moves. Cheaters cheat because they want to. If you want to challenge me on that your best bet is to move on.

 

I'm sorry sir but I'm not going to waste more time on you while you poke your fingers in your ears and go "NUH UH NUH UH NUH UH! You're prolly just a hotwife"

 

But since you know so much about cuckoldry, and the fact that you refuse continually to answer my question, my assumption is not too far off base.

 

Now are you a hotwife with a bull? It's just a simple question and it will help me understand you more.

 

Fer effs sake, I look good but whether or not I am hot is a matter of opinion.

 

Oh no don't try to twist my question around so literally. Just answer it.

[sally4sara]

Yes if you are well versed in it. If that is not true then it's a simple misunderstanding.

 

How could I be both WRONG about what I read and "well versed in it"? I can't be. You just want to insinuate a bunch of crap about my character that has no evidence within the thread. I have not done this to you. I HAVE insinuated you're stupid which IS evidenced in this thread plenty.

I understand that the links I provided for you likely went over your head but I DIDN'T WRITE THEM. AGAIN how does this show I'm involved or well versed on the subject of cuckoldry. I didn't even speak about cuckoldry exclusively. That you keep coming back to that one element of male interest in sharing women sexually does however suggest this is a personal issue for you. Look how hot and bothered you've gotten? You couldn't even read well enough to know I've answered your incessant question many times over! So many times you've come back to it I began wondering if you were getting ready to offer your services up. No Thanks BTW.

Am I also into getting together with a bunch of women and ass raping a guy? I typed about it so I must be right?

 

Just answer it.

NO I do not practice non monogamy. But I do read and discuss what I read.

[Jason Todd]

How could I be both WRONG about what I read and "well versed in it"? I can't be. You just want to insinuate a bunch of crap about my character that has no evidence within the thread. I have not done this to you. I HAVE insinuated you're stupid which IS evidenced in this thread plenty.

 

Which proves my point about you and your support of these "theories."

 

I understand that the links I provided for you likely went over your head but I DIDN'T WRITE THEM.

 

Yet you support them.

 

AGAIN how does this show I'm involved or well versed on the subject of cuckoldry. I didn't even speak about cuckoldry exclusively.

 

You did speak about it exclusively.

 

That you keep coming back to that one element of male interest in sharing women sexually does however suggest this is a personal issue for you.

 

Now I'm going to insinuate that you're stupid, which is evidenced in this thread.

 

Look how hot and bothered you've gotten?

 

What? Now this is just retarded.

 

You couldn't even read well enough to know I've answered your incessant question many times over! So many times you've come back to it I began wondering if you were getting ready to offer your services up. No Thanks BTW.

 

You didn't even answer the question directly. And I don't "offer my services" to the likes of you anyway.

 

Am I also into getting together with a bunch of women and ass raping a guy? I typed about it so I must be right?

 

Exactly!

 

NO I do not practice non monogamy. But I do read and discuss what I read.

 

And look at how long it took for you to answer a simple question after a paragraph full of silly assumptions about a poster.

[sally4sara]

I just checked a popular site's tag counts. How many videos containing themes involving more than more men than women, more than one guy but only one woman, and cuckoldry? 25,072!

 

How many videos were about FMF, reverse gangbang (that was not homosexual porn), even cheating husband caught? 3264!

 

Oh wow look! I DIDN'T subject cuckoldry exclusively. YOU are the one making it THE subject rather than one mention in a pile of things being discussed. I guess you are the one into cuckoldry.

 

So how long have you been into it? You speak like an expert and all. You seem to know better what happens to the semen of other men when you put your penis inside a woman who finished sleeping with other men all while asserting that what others say is incorrect. So much more an expert are you that you know better than biologists, scientists, anthropologists and doctors. You seem to be the one well versed on the subject.

 

Its completely moronic for you to suggest I'm so well versed on something yet you know better despite how much you insist men are not into it. Go to your favorite porn site and tally up the count yourself. Go to a video store and ask them the count of their shelves for yourself.

 

I'm not a hot wife. I'm a pirate. Last book I read was about old world piracy on the open sea. Reading it turned me into a pirate. Oh look, I typed about it so I must SUPPORT IT.

 

What a dumb ass!

[Jason Todd]

Oh wow look! I DIDN'T subject cuckoldry exclusively. YOU are the one making it THE subject rather than one mention in a pile of things being discussed. I guess you are the one into cuckoldry.

 

More lies again.

 

And no I'm not into cucking or being cucked.

 

So how long have you been into it? You speak like an expert and all. You seem to know better what happens to the semen of other men when you put your penis inside a woman who finished sleeping with other men all while asserting that what others say is incorrect.

 

Seems you're the one who knows so much about having so much semen in your vagina and sleeping with multiple men with all the articles you post.

 

So much more an expert are you that you know better than biologists, scientists, anthropologists and doctors.

 

Now you're just assuming, as always. Never did I say that. Most of science is based on assumptions anyway.

 

You seem to be the one well versed on the subject.

 

Same for you.

 

Its completely moronic for you to suggest I'm so well versed on something yet you know better despite how much you insist men are not into it.

 

I'm not insisting, I'm just stating a fact. And it's completely foolish for you to assume I must be a cuckold or that this is a personal issue for me and that I'm angry, despite the fact that you don't even know me.

 

Go to your favorite porn site and tally up the count yourself. Go to a video store and ask them the count of their shelves for yourself.

 

You do it.

 

I'm not a hot wife. I'm a pirate. Last book I read was about old world piracy on the open sea. Reading it turned me into a pirate. Oh look, I typed about it so I must SUPPORT IT.

 

And because I disagree with your support on cuckolding and non-monogamy and cheating, I must be one angry cuckold.

 

What a dumb ass!

 

What a cretin!

[Chi townD]

Well, I read those articles (and by the way, wikipedia is not a viable and reliable scientific resource) and it's all a hypothesis and theories. To say that the way a man's penis is shaped is to draw out competitors semen out of the cervix so they can have their sperm dominate the womb is just a theory. No one knows if this is fact or not!

 

But, if you are trying to prove it as fact then the only thing you're trying to prove is that ALL women are predisposed to be cheating sluts; therefore, women are the reason our penis's are shaped like they are. Is that about right?

[Jason Todd]

Well, I read those articles (and by the way, wikipedia is not a viable and reliable scientific resource) and it's all a hypothesis and theories. To say that the way a man's penis is shaped is to draw out competitors semen out of the cervix so they can have their sperm dominate the womb is just a theory. No one knows if this is fact or not!

 

LOL!!!

 

But, if you are trying to prove it as fact then the only thing you're trying to prove is that ALL women are predisposed to be cheating sluts; therefore, women are the reason our penis's are shaped like they are. Is that about right?

 

LOL!!!!

[OldOnTheInside]

I don't know why people are still posting on this dead thread. The OP isn't coming back because she didn't want to hear that she's throwing her marriage away. She didn't have a cheering section to say that it would be okay.

 

The only way that the OP will come back here is AFTER she does the deed with his friend to report that it was wonderful and she's still married and everything is fine. Trying to tell us that we were wrong and we don't know what we're talking about. Of course, that's just her point of view because she really won't have any idea what going through her husbands head.

 

OP was just looking for some light entertainment. If she wanted more balanced views, she wouldn't have gone on LS.

Any taboo subject will inevitably attract a certain type of person. The smug, attention whore types. Not all people in open relationships are like that of course...but a lot of them are unfortunately.

[sally4sara]

Well, I read those articles (and by the way, wikipedia is not a viable and reliable scientific resource) and it's all a hypothesis and theories. To say that the way a man's penis is shaped is to draw out competitors semen out of the cervix so they can have their sperm dominate the womb is just a theory. No one knows if this is fact or not!

 

But, if you are trying to prove it as fact then the only thing you're trying to prove is that ALL women are predisposed to be cheating sluts; therefore, women are the reason our penis's are shaped like they are. Is that about right?

 

Who said they were cheating? I think it means that for most of out species existence, everyone was screwing everyone. No reason to call that "cheating".

[Try]

Soul Storm, I don't think this is going to be the end of anything between the hubby and I.

I'm not saying hurting him with this is IMPOSSIBLE...I am saying it's just not likely

since we are new and can only make our best guesses at how we would feel.

You are all right about one thing for certain-you can never REALLY be certain, can you?

 

Kuulani, I have posted above a number of your own quotes showing that even you know that it is possible that sleeping with his friend could “be the end of anything between the hubby” and you. That you hurting him is not “IMPOSSIBLE”. That you are only making your “best guesses” and that “you can never REALLY be certain” how this will turn out for you and your marriage.

 

I believe that the odds of this eventually ending your marriage are greater than the odds of you getting caught if you cheated behind his back. Even if you believe the odds are small (which I disagree with), if your marriage is so good, why are you willing to take any risk at all with it just for sex with this other man?

[Chi townD]

A quote from one of the articles you posted:

 

If a female copulated with more than one male within a short period of time, this would allow subsequent males to “scoop out” semen left by others before ejaculating. In other words, according to Gallup, the human penis is a “semen displacement device.” It is designed and used to remove other men’s semen from the cervix before the man ejaculates.

 

 

So, basically it's (and you're) saying that womens actions from the beginning of time is predisposed to cheating or, I guess for a better way of looking at it, it is virtually impossible for a woman to be in a monogamous relationship. Hence, through evolution, man's penis changed to accommodate a woman promiscuous behavior to ensure that his sperm is the one that impregnates the woman. Thus, we can throw out the concept of commitment and marriage because evolutional theory tells us that we are wasting our time and accept our roles as cuckolds. However, just make sure you are the last one to sleep with your wife to make sure we "scoop" out everyone else's DNA so we sire our own offspring. Got it!!!

 

it's a theory and not a fact. And definately not an excuse to screw up a committed relationship.

[sally4sara]

A quote from one of the articles you posted:

 

If a female copulated with more than one male within a short period of time, this would allow subsequent males to “scoop out” semen left by others before ejaculating. In other words, according to Gallup, the human penis is a “semen displacement device.” It is designed and used to remove other men’s semen from the cervix before the man ejaculates.

 

 

So, basically it's (and you're) saying that womens actions from the beginning of time is predisposed to cheating or, I guess for a better way of looking at it, it is virtually impossible for a woman to be in a monogamous relationship. Hence, through evolution, man's penis changed to accommodate a woman promiscuous behavior to ensure that his sperm is the one that impregnates the woman. Thus, we can throw out the concept of commitment and marriage because evolutional theory tells us that we are wasting our time and accept our roles as cuckolds. However, just make sure you are the last one to sleep with your wife to make sure we "scoop" out everyone else's DNA so we sire our own offspring. Got it!!!

 

it's a theory and not a fact. And definately not an excuse to screw up a committed relationship.

 

No, what I'm sharing (that the authors are saying) is that our species was not a monogamous one, its biological function was not one that promoted monogamy, and that in a world where paternity was unknown (and therefore not a concern) cheating was unnecessary. Simply put, everyone slept with everyone else and had no reason to hide it for it to be considered "cheating". Do you really believe so long ago we had wedding ceremonies and they tossed rice at the new couple before they sauntered off into the sunset to the privacy of their own cave for some good old fashioned monogamous baby making?

 

More than half of the marriages end in divorce largely due to infidelity. All these studies show is that we struggle to live up to the pair bonding rituals we learned to consider normal. We struggle to rise above the urges of our genetic make up. Those of us that accomplish it are strong willed and honorable. But those couples that share in honesty with each other that they cannot continue to do that and find ways to work through it and keep their household in tact are also honorable for their honesty about being of lesser will rather than resorting to the commonality of betrayal and deceit.

All I wanted to do in this thread was congratulate the OP on the honesty and integrity she and her husband share rather than sneaking and lying like most people do. That and share with her that there are many many indications that she and her husband are not unusual. I find it odd that I'm now getting ridiculed for finding value in people NOT lying to each other! I'm getting the witch trial treatment for sharing links (other than a simple wiki entry about a book I didn't write. An entry about a book isn't an unreliable source when all it is about is what one can read about in the book the entry is about) with her.

 

Why not just consider "woah, my penis does more than just make a mess? Cool!" rather than get upset about the implications and take it out on someone who didn't conduct the studies or write the books or research papers? If you must confront someone, I suggest you do it with them. Or, if one of your relatives was in the air force during WWII or the Korean war, ask them about the military base parties couples use to have or the pact among soldiers to share their wives before battle so long as the participants agreed to take care of the families of the fallen upon return. There are more things under the sun and on Earth than we want to accept sometimes........what does denying they happen accomplish?

[Chi townD]

oh, I'm not upset. Just pointing out the difference in opinion on a study that YOU brought to the table. I, for one, don't agree with the study. So, I'm just voicing my opinion that I think the study is absurd and can be interupted in many different ways as demostrated in my posts.

 

Maybe I'm old fashion, but I believe in monogamy. I believe in the sanctity of marriage, and a committed relationship CAN WORK if both parties are willing to work at it. Not something that is being demonstrated by the OP of this thread who is willing to change everything by having sex with someone other than the man she promise to love, honor, cherish and to foresake all others. If she felt soooo strongly about sleeping with other people, she should have never gotten married.

 

So, sorry but I don't buy these studies that I should abandon all hope of monogamy just because an evolutional theory says so. So, answer me this. If this theory is correct, then why did we even consider monogamy and marriage when our evolutionary genes says it isn't possible? Why have people married for millenia's if it's just a fallacy? Why was the concept of love and passion come into our lives if we're nothing but animals given the simple task of procreating to keep humankind from exstinction?

 

In no way is this a witch hunt against you. Actually, I've found it to be an interesting debate. I just don't agree with the study or the OP actions.

Edited July 14, 2011 by Chi townD

[Try]

Or, if one of your relatives was in the air force during WWII or the Korean war, ask them about the military base parties couples use to have or the pact among soldiers to share their wives before battle so long as the participants agreed to take care of the families of the fallen upon return.

Try to use only real facts. I know many WWII and Korean vets. To say that this was the way it was back then is pure and total BS.

[sally4sara]

Try to use only real facts. I know many WWII and Korean vets. To say that this was the way it was back then is pure and total BS.

 

If they were in the Air Force during those wars and lived on base - ask them about it. I was not alive then and have never served in any military branch. But I have heard the first hand tales. Its reminiscent of a practice among Amazon tribes. Their marriages do not include monogamy for the express purpose of there still being someone to help a surviving partner care for offspring in the event of one partner's death. They never care who helped get their wives pregnant, they term it as something that translates to what we'd call insurance.

 

I find it hilarious that everyone knows we are an imaginative, highly sexual species but when it comes to anything other than what we call normal - its just not possible. Come on people! Not talking about something doesn't make it not exist. Talking about it requires nothing of anyone but listening. Talking about life's oddities doesn't obligate anyone to participate in something they don't want to be a part of. If it did, we wouldn't know of anything but heterosexual married missionary position for reproductive purpose only sex. Instead looky - front page of LS - diaper fetish. Will we all turn to diaper fetish now because someone wrote about it and we read it?

[sally4sara]

According to Terry Gould's The Lifestyle: a look at the erotic rites of swingers, swinging began among American Air Force pilots and their wives during World War II. The mortality rate of pilots was high, so, as Gould reports, a close bond arose between pilots that implied that pilot husbands would care for all the wives as their own- emotionally and sexually—if the husbands were away or lost. Though the origins of swinging are contested, it is assumed American swinging was practiced in some American military communities in the 1950s. By the time the Korean War ended, swinging had spread from the military to the suburbs. The media dubbed the phenomenon wife-swapping.

 

Just more in a long list of reasons to wonder if men find an erotic charge over this practice. Since much of our sexual antics have been male driven, I don't know why anyone wouldn't at least ponder this a bit. It doesn't mean YOU want it, just that some do.

[BetheButterfly]

I gotta agree, this is some cuckold scenario with the hubby, and the hotwife is willing, along with the "best friend."

 

But on a serious note if my future wife ever even suggested that she wanted to screw someone else, particularly my friend (and he had admitted it also) I would divorce her and punch his lights out.

 

Any man with an ounce of self-respect would not put up with this.

 

This is disgusting and this shows you don't even respect yourself, much less your husband.

 

Sleeping around is for people who are not married and single.

 

Agreed.

 

My man isn't possessive or jealous, but he has made it clear that sharing me with anyone is not his desire, and I'm glad.

 

If he did want to share me, he wouldn't be my fiance anymore, because just like I don't want to share him, so I want to be his only as well. To me, sex is a part of love between a couple. Sex isn't a part of love between friends or family members. To cross those lines is just asking for trouble. There are some lines that if crossed, bring devastating emotional and spiritual damage.