BetheButterfly Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Good luck! I'm glad you two worked out a compromise. Keep us posted. I don't know you've mentioned this somewhere in this massive thread, but I hope you don't leave your computer on. I wouldn't want her to get on your computer and find this thread. Yo! Totally 100% agree! We've had enough drama around here lately! Man! Link to post Share on other sites
HeavenOrHell Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 You said >Honestly i am quite insecure. Say what you want but i care a lot about what other people think of me. And when i walk around with her it doesn't exactly boost my ego.< Which implies you don't have a big ego, but you clearly do from what your other posts say. It also makes you sound very shallow. From what you've said, you don't strike me as the kindest most compassionate person so you maybe your personality is grossing her out and making her miserable and overeat. Anyway, glad you reached a compromise. And did i say it was? Trust me when i say that my ego is plenty big. I am simply stating that i want a girlfriend who takes care of herself. Not one who lets herself go. And i realize that it would be simple enough for me to break up with her. But i obviously care about more then her looks or else i would have done that. So if the only advice you have is "break up with her" Just do me a favor and don't post in my thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 No reasonable person would think a discussion of sugar addiction and withdrawal included anything other than processed, additive sugar Yeah, because a reasonable person would totally suggest going cold turkey on sugar and attempt to sound like a biology expert when he is anything but. Stop with the flame-baiting.Says the person who went on and on giving no decent advice for pages after the OP requested all those who had no suggestion other than 'dump her' to leave. If anyone actually cares anymore we have reached a compromise. I promised her that i would go to the gym less and take her out more. In exchange she shall come to the gym with me more often. We also planned out two diets together. One muscle building diet (for me) And one fat loss diet. Whenever someone trips up on there diet we BOTH get a cheat day and that person has to do something embarrassing of the other persons choosing. Its been two days. But she seems much happier this time around when i ask her about her diet. And she did go to the gym with me yesterday. This could be the start of a great thing. Wish us luck. Excellent! Great to see you're both working on this together. Always easier to diet and exercise if you have a partner to do it with. Link to post Share on other sites
mtber75 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 You lost all that weight and your grossed out with being fat...Now your moving on to a more healthier lifestyle and your gf isn't. She's just reminding you of your old lifestyle! You said that she don't exercise with you or diet much...So dump her and move on to someone who's more compatible with your new lifestyle! Link to post Share on other sites
HeavenOrHell Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Your compassion overwhelms me. You lost all that weight and your grossed out with being fat...Now your moving on to a more healthier lifestyle and your gf isn't. She's just reminding you of your old lifestyle! You said that she don't exercise with you or diet much...So dump her and move on to someone who's more compatible with your new lifestyle! Link to post Share on other sites
VertexSquared Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 How ignorant of me not to have known that ALL food is composed entirely of sugar. Silly me thought that foods were actually converted to sugar in the body. Thanks for setting me straight. Anyway, like the trampstamp thread, have had my say here in the hungry hungry hippo thread, position is very clear, and hope I have given OP a useful perspective to consider. Not interested in any further flame-baiting. Uhhh... You *do* realize you *need* sugar to survive, right? Your brain alone is a massive glucose hog. If you're low on glucose or carbohydrates, your liver will start breaking down your fat storages into ketones to compensate for this, and eventually your body will start to feast on proteins. You also risk having a high ketone concentration in your circulatory system, resulting in ketoacidosis. Either way, you die. Even people who run on Keto diets (proteins + fat diets) have carb-up periods in order to, you know, *live*. By all means, try not having any sugars for a few weeks and get back to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Casablanca Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 If anyone actually cares anymore we have reached a compromise. I promised her that i would go to the gym less and take her out more. In exchange she shall come to the gym with me more often. We also planned out two diets together. One muscle building diet (for me) And one fat loss diet. Whenever someone trips up on there diet we BOTH get a cheat day and that person has to do something embarrassing of the other persons choosing. Its been two days. But she seems much happier this time around when i ask her about her diet. And she did go to the gym with me yesterday. This could be the start of a great thing. Wish us luck. Glad you got it worked out...I find it easier to diet and work out when I have someone to keep me honest and make me not want to fail and fall behind them. I didnt read this whole huge ass thread, but don't forget that physical attraction is important and if someone calls you "shallow" for it, forget them...you have to be physically and mentally attracted to someone (at least most people do)...and the way you described it, saying you'd be fine with a little chub, and she is now fat, that comes off to me that you are like me...you're fine with a little chub, but bordering obese is not okay with you. Not only is it not physically attractive to you, but she isnt taking good care of herself. Link to post Share on other sites
cheergirl Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 If anyone actually cares anymore we have reached a compromise. I promised her that i would go to the gym less and take her out more. In exchange she shall come to the gym with me more often. We also planned out two diets together. One muscle building diet (for me) And one fat loss diet. Whenever someone trips up on there diet we BOTH get a cheat day and that person has to do something embarrassing of the other persons choosing. Its been two days. But she seems much happier this time around when i ask her about her diet. And she did go to the gym with me yesterday. This could be the start of a great thing. Wish us luck. I sincerely wish you the best of luck, and i do care... It seems like you've decided to take on the role of caretaker/ cheerleader/ sympathizer... TBH, I don't understand the concept of a "cheat day" or doing something embarrassing(??) Is the purpose of doing these things to lighten the atmosphere around the subject? Um, ok... I hope you are able to sustain the fun atmosphere, otherwise you'll be back at square one... As this is an anonymous forum, I am just trying to be honest. I really hope she decides to stick with it... What I am worried about for your sake, and warned you about was the number of angry apologists you would face, I was right... So many women posting that you are shallow, basically blaming/criticizing you and exonerating your gf from all responsibility for the state of her own body. My position is this, if you accept this role; coach, motivator, the one who's responsible for her weight; when does she grow up and do it for herself? Personally I would be insulted if my partner felt obligated, that it was his duty to keep my weight down... That is a burden for you. Surely if she's old enough to be thinking about marriage, she's woman enough to manage herself? and what about the children? Will it be your job to make sure they don't get fat too? Might be difficult if you're at work she's pregnant pigging out on junk food and continues the trend after she's had the kids... (And do NOT kid yourself it doesn't happen... I daresay you could find a few threads here dealing w/the very subject) many women treat pregnancy like an excuse to pile on the pounds. Jeez at the last pre-natal group I was attending; it was heartbreaking... I genuinely felt sad for sooo many of those guys. In a class of about 20 women, maybe 4/5 were normal sized... The others were super-sized and constantly rubbing their bumps as if to reassure themselves and others,"Yes, I am pregnant, not fat..." But they were, and they were huge...Their husbands looked somehow, small... physically small, slumped. Deflated, disappointed and trapped... Honestly, it was heartbreaking... A lot of these guys looked fit, healthy and handsome. The only guys who looked happy and positive were the ones whose wives were a normal sized... those couples looked happy... Now i don't care what others think and I don't want to argue, but this is what I have seen... so: think, and tread carefully I am not a pessimist, but i am a realist. You and your gf are very young. she has a fundamental issue with weight, people tend to get heavier as they get older. If she's like this in her twenties and she feels she is compromising by taking steps to help her lose weight because she's fat, not of her own volition, but being persuaded by you. i see a very BIG future for you both. what happens when you stop caring, or YOU need some encouragement. Will she encourage you to go to the gym or will you both just get fat... Ask her. And Good luck! Hope this helps... Link to post Share on other sites
cheergirl Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Reread the thread, not going to bother going back and quoting myself for a flame-baiter. I gave advice, whether you think it is decent or not I don't care. Choose reality instead of fantasy land. "Choose reality instead of fantasy land.":bunny::bunny: (Do you mind if I use this as my quote? I'll credit you...) Yeah, i think reality has been missold as a bad neighbourhood, when in actual fact it's quite a cool place to live... Sure we get some characters, but you know where you are in reality. Disneyland give me the creeps, you never really know quite what's going on underneath... Sir Dasein, you have fought the good fight Sir, most loyal, brave & true... Leave the fantasists to their fancy. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Savage Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'm sick of hearing "real women have curves". So what, a woman who works out and is physically fit is not a "real" woman? Why? Stop using "real women have curves" as an excuse to live on pizza and bon bons. And stop saying "curves" when in reality it means "FAT", yes fat. "Real" women who do not watch what they eat and do not exercise have FAT, not curves. Same goes for men but they can't make a lame excuse for it. I've been overweight before and I didn't hide the fact. I would straight out say I am FAT and need to do something about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Casablanca Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'm sick of hearing "real women have curves". The definition of curvy has changed....it now seems to mean anything from women with an hour glass figure to those with small rolls....nothing wrong with curves at all...and nothing wrong with a girl who doesnt have curves...this is one thing that bothers me...it has become a "nice" way of describing girls who might be a few extra pounds. Link to post Share on other sites
wheream_i Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 You think she's getting fat now, just wait til she has kids. Link to post Share on other sites
cheergirl Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 The definition of curvy has changed....it now seems to mean anything from women with an hour glass figure to those with small rolls....nothing wrong with curves at all...and nothing wrong with a girl who doesnt have curves...this is one thing that bothers me...it has become a "nice" way of describing girls who might be a few extra pounds. marilyn monroe: curvy http://www.thirdage.com/image/marilyn-monroe-curvy-figure beth ditto-curvy? http://images.nymag.com/daily/fashion/20090213_love_250x375.jpg My definition hasn't changed, curvy in the breast and hip and bottom regions. curvy is great... not the same as fat.... Link to post Share on other sites
kalikula Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Uhhh... You *do* realize you *need* sugar to survive, right? Your brain alone is a massive glucose hog. If you're low on glucose or carbohydrates, your liver will start breaking down your fat storages into ketones to compensate for this, and eventually your body will start to feast on proteins. You also risk having a high ketone concentration in your circulatory system, resulting in ketoacidosis. Either way, you die. Even people who run on Keto diets (proteins + fat diets) have carb-up periods in order to, you know, *live*. By all means, try not having any sugars for a few weeks and get back to me. Actually, there is a huge difference between ketoacidosis and ketosis. Ketosis is when you deliberately consume very few carbs or sugars to force your body to break down fat storages. It is not fatal by any means, and probably quite commonly occurred in early Hunter Gatherer stages when we had very little sugars or starches in our diets. Ketoacidosis is a condition experienced by type 1 diabetics where they experience a very high blood sugar level because their bodies cannot produce the necessary insulin after they consume carbs. The difference between the two is that people who enter ketosis consume very little carbs, and when they do eat carbs, their body properly produces insulin and manages their blood sugar levels. Thus, eating a low carb diet cannot cause you to go into ketoacidosis. People on low carb diets DON'T need carbs. I followed a very low carb diet for about a month, less than 20 carbs a day, and felt and looked great.. No ill effects oncesoever. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Uhhh... You *do* realize you *need* sugar to survive, right? Your brain alone is a massive glucose hog. If you're low on glucose or carbohydrates, your liver will start breaking down your fat storages into ketones to compensate for this, and eventually your body will start to feast on proteins. You also risk having a high ketone concentration in your circulatory system, resulting in ketoacidosis. Either way, you die. Even people who run on Keto diets (proteins + fat diets) have carb-up periods in order to, you know, *live*. By all means, try not having any sugars for a few weeks and get back to me. Rofl, precisely. Some of the 'medical' advice given here really scares me. There was a report on a guy who died from taking a 'high protein' diet too far during the past few years, IIRC. Actually, there is a huge difference between ketoacidosis and ketosis. Ketosis is when you deliberately consume very few carbs or sugars to force your body to break down fat storages. It is not fatal by any means, and probably quite commonly occurred in early Hunter Gatherer stages when we had very little sugars or starches in our diets. Ketoacidosis is a condition experienced by type 1 diabetics where they experience a very high blood sugar level because their bodies cannot produce the necessary insulin after they consume carbs. The difference between the two is that people who enter ketosis consume very little carbs, and when they do eat carbs, their body properly produces insulin and manages their blood sugar levels. Thus, eating a low carb diet cannot cause you to go into ketoacidosis. People on low carb diets DON'T need carbs. I followed a very low carb diet for about a month, less than 20 carbs a day, and felt and looked great.. No ill effects oncesoever. Not sure how much '20 carbs' is. Enlighten me? Regardless, there is a huge difference between 'restricting carbs' and 'going cold turkey on them', as the poster Vertex quoted was suggesting. I'm sure you can see the difference. Link to post Share on other sites
Ginger Beer Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'm sick of hearing "real women have curves". So what, a woman who works out and is physically fit is not a "real" woman? Why? Stop using "real women have curves" as an excuse to live on pizza and bon bons. And stop saying "curves" when in reality it means "FAT", yes fat. "Real" women who do not watch what they eat and do not exercise have FAT, not curves. Same goes for men but they can't make a lame excuse for it. I've been overweight before and I didn't hide the fact. I would straight out say I am FAT and need to do something about it. This is a good post. Curves = hips and a bum, not rolls of fat. Link to post Share on other sites
HeavenOrHell Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 In some ways I dont like the 'real women have curves' line either, because I'm naturally small and slim and have small boobs and my butt isn't big either, hardly my fault though, does this mean I'm not a real woman?! I quite like the 'real women have curves' line in other ways though, as women can be so obsessed about their weight even if they are naturally tiny, so it's good to hear that curves *are* good. Some of the models who deliberately make themselves underweight just look ill to me. I'm sick of hearing "real women have curves". So what, a woman who works out and is physically fit is not a "real" woman? Why? Stop using "real women have curves" as an excuse to live on pizza and bon bons. And stop saying "curves" when in reality it means "FAT", yes fat. "Real" women who do not watch what they eat and do not exercise have FAT, not curves. Same goes for men but they can't make a lame excuse for it. I've been overweight before and I didn't hide the fact. I would straight out say I am FAT and need to do something about it. Link to post Share on other sites
cheergirl Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 In some ways I dont like the 'real women have curves' line either, because I'm naturally small and slim and have small boobs and my butt isn't big either, hardly my fault though, does this mean I'm not a real woman?! I quite like the 'real women have curves' line in other ways though, as women can be so obsessed about their weight even if they are naturally tiny, so it's good to hear that curves *are* good. Some of the models who deliberately make themselves underweight just look ill to me. I totally agree, I have some very slim friends and they are subjected to nasty comments from bigger girls all the time and expected to suck it up... the OP said his gf is fat, he didn't like it and he has the right to say so w/out being attacked, some people like it, some don't.... If you and your partner are happy w/your weight, don't call other people "shallow" because they don't find it appealing, to each his own... Link to post Share on other sites
VertexSquared Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Actually, there is a huge difference between ketoacidosis and ketosis. Ketosis is when you deliberately consume very few carbs or sugars to force your body to break down fat storages. It is not fatal by any means, and probably quite commonly occurred in early Hunter Gatherer stages when we had very little sugars or starches in our diets. Ketoacidosis is a condition experienced by type 1 diabetics where they experience a very high blood sugar level because their bodies cannot produce the necessary insulin after they consume carbs. The difference between the two is that people who enter ketosis consume very little carbs, and when they do eat carbs, their body properly produces insulin and manages their blood sugar levels. Thus, eating a low carb diet cannot cause you to go into ketoacidosis. People on low carb diets DON'T need carbs. I followed a very low carb diet for about a month, less than 20 carbs a day, and felt and looked great.. No ill effects oncesoever. While I appreciate the response, it annoys me at the same time because it's pedantic and I feel like you didn't actually read my post. There's no need for the "actually" here. Taking ketosis to the extremes can/does lead to ketoacidosis (among a variety of other problems) -- I never conflated the two concepts. Obviously if you're on a low-carb diet, this is completely different from a no-carb diet, which was the entire point behind my post to begin with (a response to someone who claimed you didn't need them). You need carbs/sugars. If you completely deplete your glucose and start running on ketones all the time, you're going to die. Ketone usages evolved along with the hunter-gatherer stages because it was an essential backup mechanism for times when we had to fast or if there was downtime. But you can't run on it forever. Edited July 15, 2011 by VertexSquared Link to post Share on other sites
VertexSquared Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Last time, no one in this thread has ever talked about the body's survival without sugar other than you or Elswyth, not one poster. The discussion was about withdrawing from processed and additive sugar in the diet versus opiate withdrawal. Go back and read dreamingoftigers original post and come back here and tell me with a straight face there's any other intelligent interpretation a rational adult could make... go right ahead. And your post didn't really deserve a response because you make dishonest half-statements like "the brain is a glucose hog" without the other half of that statement, "the body manufactures glucose." Your brain uses like 60+ percent of your glucose. I'd consider that pretty hoggish, so I don't know why you're implying otherwise. Just because you can break down proteins, fats, and carbohydrates into glucose doesn't mean you can just pick one arbitrarily and do without the rest. They're all handled differently and serve different functions throughout the body. The body manufactures glucose, yes, but where do you think the manufacturing inputs come from? Also: People do die from opiate withdrawal, it is less common than death from alcohol and barbiturate withdrawal, but it does happen. No one dies from sugar withdrawal. So people have a real risk of dying from going off sugar cold turkey the way opiate addicts do? They vomit and shake uncontrollably for days? They have to be restrained and locked up? I think not. The point of dreamingoftiger's post was to simply say that sugar is addictive. You replied that the downside effects of kicking a sugar addiction isn't the same as kicking a heroin addiction, which is true. But then you go off with the silly strawman-argument rebuttal of "They vomit and shake uncontrollably for days? They have to be restrained and locked up? I think not" which wasn't the point. Your statement "How ignorant of me not to have known that ALL food is composed entirely of sugar. Silly me thought that foods were actually converted to sugar in the body. Thanks for setting me straight" is just a nonsensical way of saying "Clearly one shouldn't bother with sugar addictions because our body just breaks down random stuff into sugar anyway" as if sugar is something internal you can't detect or need not get addicted to. Edited July 15, 2011 by VertexSquared Link to post Share on other sites
VertexSquared Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I did mention her post. And of course nobody reading those posts would come to that conclusion you're claiming ("Oh yeah I'm addicted to glucose-breakdown, baby!"). *Nobody's* arguing that. Sugar addiction is obviously about the addiction to the taste and the chemical underpinnings/psychology (such as how sugar affects dopamine). Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 You guys need to get out more rather than argue with strangers on message boards Link to post Share on other sites
johan Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Vote for your favorite answer here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110704050107AAt0xQF Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Vote for your favorite answer here: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110704050107AAt0xQF OMG. The answers there range over basically the same ground as the ones here - BUT I didn't see a discussion of glucose. Thus, Loveshack >> Yahoo. Link to post Share on other sites
cheergirl Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Brill! No 8! Link to post Share on other sites
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