Are some women simply incapable of having a healthy relationship?

[Woggle]

That reminds me of something:

 

Either bunch of wussbags, or sly players attempting to get in women's pants.

 

The sad thing is that men like him get treated the worst by women. He might think he is one of the good ones but your average man hater will see him as an easy target. To a misandrist there is no such thing as a good man.

[udolipixie]

These are the points the us men are trying to make in this thread.

There is no mystery as to what happens when women choose to go down the dating "Bad Boys" path

 

The points I'm trying to get across.

 

It's not a bullet list of events there are other factors.

 

The mindset most guys have is that the women all had a history full of bad guys.

 

They're forgetting tjose that had some in their teens then wised up and dated well in their 20s.

 

Forgetting those that have the same history as most guys (exes from serial monogamy, divorced, kids).

 

Forgetting those that were in a serial monogamy cycle of healthy relationships.

 

1. "Good Guys" have always wanted to date, be in relationships and hopefully be married one day.

 

Just because he dates them doesn't mean he'll marry them.

 

All he offers is the potential.

 

A good guy can seriously date multiple girls when he's young & when he's older not marry any of the girls he dated.

 

2. What "Good Guys" want and what "Good Guys" are looking for in women has never changed.

 

A guy can date tons of women that have what he wants but until he's ready to marry he won't.

 

So tons of girls can fit what a good guy want & date only good guys and end up single when older.

 

 

3. "Good Guys" tries and has little or no success in dating women in their twenties.

 

Even if he had successful the most likely outcomes would be a failed relationship or a healthy relationship.

 

Doesn't mean later on in life both people won't be single or in the serial monogamy cycle.

 

 

 

4. Women in their early to late twenties do not date ""Good Guys" because they think they are chumps and therefore are not attracted to them.

 

True but whether they passed them up or not makes no major difference in if later on they'll be single.

 

She can date good guys all through her 20s and still be single or be serial relationships with a new set of good guys in her 30s

 

 

 

5. While in our twenties, women dates "Bad Boys" over "Good Guys".

 

She can date good guys all through her 20s and still be single or be serial relationships with a new set of good guys in her 30s.

 

Or she could have dated bad boys in her teens then wised up in her 20s.

^ This often is still a strike against her as it seems any instance of a bad boy is to guys.

 

 

 

6. The women CHANGES her mind on what she wants and what she is looking for in her late twenties / early thirties.

 

Or she could have always dated good guys and never got married but just the serial monogamy cycle.

 

 

 

7. Women who spent years dating the "Bad Boys" come out of that experience as "damaged goods" and have a TON of "Baggage".

 

Yes they do.

 

8. "Good Guys" has never wanted and were never looking for a women like number 7 above so "Good Guys" passes over, avoids and does not date and has zero interest in marrying women like number 7 above.

 

Some guys don't even bother to see if the woman is damaged goods because they see their ability to date younger & more attractive women.

 

The logic is why fish where there's mostly a few good catches when I can go where there's mostly great catches.

 

 

 

9. Women learns that "Good Guys" indeed are not chumps because he sticks to his guns and will not settle or allow himself to deviate from what he always wanted and was looking for in a women.

 

Yes the ones who didn't know that before.

 

The ones who already knew that realize they were in the serial monogamy cycle (successful healthy genuine and serious relationships that did not lead to marriage).

 

 

 

10. Due to a majority of the women near or around "Good Guys" age being like women number 7 above.... "Good Guys" are forced to date and seek marriage with women that are a lot younger because they are still the type / kind of women that "Good Guys" had always wanted from the very beginning.

 

Forced?

 

Some always had a preference for younger (1-5 years) & some see oh I can date much younger (10-20 years) so they see no point

 

In fact a frequent statement posted by multiple men here is how a worthwhile good guy prefers younger or much younger worthwhile women over women hiis own age (whether they were past bad boy lovers or not).

 

In fact most men prefer younger or much younger over women who have the same history as them:

divorced guy doesn't want divorced girl

single dad doesn't want single mom

 

A frequent statement posted by multiple men here is how they are hardwired to seek youth & beauty.

 

So if given the choice between two women of the same caliber the younger or more attractive one is chosen.

 

So with his ability to date younger (1-5 years) or much younger (10- 20 years) most won't bother to find out whether or not that woman his age spent her 20s screwing around since she's not his dating preference.

 

 

11. Women like number 7 above become angry, depressed and bitter because they do not understand why "Good Guys" wouldn't want to be with them.

 

As are women unlike number 7 because the 7s have caused guys to question why bother fishing here for the few women unlike 7 when I can fish elsewhere and get a better catch.

 

 

12. Women like number 7 above has little options left so they go back to what they were doing that got them into this mess or they settle with a "recovered Bad Boy" that is just as screwed up as her.

 

And the women unlike 7 go after the few remaining fishers who are usually non worthwhile guys.

 

Most guys prefer to date younger or much younger but usually only the worthwhile guys are successful at that.

 

The worthwhile fishers are crowded over so they may or may not once again get caught up in a competition or the serial monogamy cycle again as relationship /= marriage.

 

Then when the serial monogamy cycle of the worthwhile guys end most of guys decide despite dating non 7s they'd prefer younger or much younger to start a family with.

You are right... men are generally going to date someone younger than them, no secret there.

 

Why should I have to settle for some women who CHOOSE to self-destruct and ruined any chance she has for happiness in her early twenties?

 

 

Simply put, I am not going too. I am going to go date a women that is much younger than me because women around my age are all like women number 7 above. I would love to date a women around my age... However, I can't find one that isn't screwed up in the head or have enough baggage to fill a cargo plane.

 

My point is most won't bother to see if because like you they think all women are like #7 because of his ability to date younger (1-5 years) or much younger (10- 20 years) he won't bother to find out whether or not that woman his age spent her 20s screwing around since she's not his dating preference.

 

Especially since he assumes she already has.

Some guys with the same cargo-divorced guy or single dad- don't want to date women who have the same cargo.

Often if given the choice between two women of the same caliber the younger or more attractive one is chosen.

Those that do date the worthwhile women their age often when they want to settle down choose a younger woman understandably.

Basically the non 7 women shouldn't have wasted time on good guys their own age but good guys older than them if they didn't want to end up single or in the serial monogamy cycle.

 

^ The thought of dating older sickens me which is why I'm set on not serial monogamy but multi-dating.

 

No point in dating the good guys my age when I'll just end up in the serial monogamy cycle and then when I'm older I'll be single or in a new monogamy cycle with a guy when he wants to settle down will choose a younger woman.

 

No point in dating the older good guys since I'm not attracted to them.

[udolipixie]

The sad thing is that men like him get treated the worst by women. He might think he is one of the good ones but your average man hater will see him as an easy target. To a misandrist there is no such thing as a good man.

 

The using is a people thing not a gender thing.

 

Women often use guys they consider damaged goods & easy targets.

 

Men often use girls they consider damaged goods & easy targets.

 

It's only a gender thing when gender hate comes into play.

 

A misandrist/misogynist is on the same level to me as women/men who used damaged & easy people.

 

To me the latter is more disheartening because the misogynist/misandrist thinks there's no good women/men.

 

While the people who use others for amusement know there are good men/women out there but want to use those that are damaged or easy targets.

[Eve]

udolipixie,

 

I think the men and women are talking past each other and are looking at this from two different points of view... SHOCKER!

 

Hopefully this will clear it up or at least it will explain what the men are trying to communicate...

 

The "Good Guys" are trying to get these points across:

 

1. "Good Guys" have always wanted to date, be in relationships and hopefully be married one day.

 

2. What "Good Guys" want and what "Good Guys" are looking for in women has never changed.

 

3. "Good Guys" tries and has little or no success in dating women in their twenties.

 

4. Women in their early to late twenties do not date ""Good Guys" because they think they are chumps and therefore are not attracted to them.

 

5. While in our twenties, women dates "Bad Boys" over "Good Guys".

 

NOTE: There women want and are looking for "Bad Boys" so they either screw over and pass up the "Good Guys".

 

6. The women CHANGES her mind on what she wants and what she is looking for in her late twenties / early thirties.

 

NOTE: Reasons for the CHANGE in mind: Their clock is ticking, have been screwed over enough times by the "Bad Boys" to realize the "Good Guys are were it is at, they are on the downside of their looks and want to use whatever they have left to assist them in landing a "Good Guy", etc.

 

7. Women who spent years dating the "Bad Boys" come out of that experience as "damaged goods" and have a TON of "Baggage".

 

NOTE: Could be any of the many reasons I list.... Suffered a lot of emotional and mental abuse, was constantly cheated on and lied too, excessive drinking, excessive drug use, excessive partying, was generally never treated well by the "Bad Boys", damaged or ruined self-esteem, damaged or ruined self-worth, damaged or ruined self-value, STDs, addictions, screwed up view of men, relationships and sex, divorced, kids, money issues, etc.

 

8. "Good Guys" has never wanted and were never looking for a women like number 7 above so "Good Guys" passes over, avoids and does not date and has zero interest in marrying women like number 7 above.

 

9. Women learns that "Good Guys" indeed are not chumps because he sticks to his guns and will not settle or allow himself to deviate from what he always wanted and was looking for in a women.

 

10. Due to a majority of the women near or around "Good Guys" age being like women number 7 above.... "Good Guys" are forced to date and seek marriage with women that are a lot younger because they are still the type / kind of women that "Good Guys" had always wanted from the very beginning.

 

11. Women like number 7 above become angry, depressed and bitter because they do not understand why "Good Guys" wouldn't want to be with them.

 

NOTE: Never mind the fact that they have been road hard and put up wet, have all kinds of issues and baggage and let's not even mention the number of times she passed up or screwed "Good Guy" over along the way.

 

12. Women like number 7 above has little options left so they go back to what they were doing that got them into this mess or they settle with a "recovered Bad Boy" that is just as screwed up as her.

 

These are the points the us men are trying to make in this thread.

 

You are right... men are generally going to date someone younger than them, no secret there.

 

I am 39... Have never been married, have no kids, have a great job, have taken care of my body, have dated and was involved with with women of quality and substance, no drug or alcohol problem, financially secure, no STDs, respect and value women, have a healthy view of relationships and sex, I am drama free, confident, secure, whoever is with me isn't going to have to deal with some crazy Ex being in the picture and haven't screwed half the world.

 

I was careful and wise with the choices I have made as I go through life. I did this not only for myself, but for the person that I will one day marry.

 

Why should I have to settle for some women who CHOOSE to self-destruct and ruined any chance she has for happiness in her early twenties?

 

Simply put, I am not going too. I am going to go date a women that is much younger than me because women around my age are all like women number 7 above. I would love to date a women around my age... However, I can't find one that isn't screwed up in the head or have enough baggage to fill a cargo plane.

 

There is no mystery as to what happens when women choose to go down the dating "Bad Boys" path... It never, ever ends well for them and EVERYONE (them included) knows it. Yet, they do it anyway.

 

So as far as I am concerned... Someone else can deal with them, their Ex "Bad Boy" husband, their screwed up kids, their baggage, etc.

 

Here is the irony of it all...

 

I might actually consider settling with one of this women (them getting what they want) if they were fun, happy or brought any joy to my life.

 

No, they can't even do something as simple as that. Not only would I have to settle, I also get to deal with a bitter and miserable bitch who is set out to make me pay for something she choose and did to herself. I'm serious... they are their own worst enemies!

 

Ok, I can see a likeness to more than a few women on this site and also with my Hubbys ex here..

 

I would however caution too strict a view on what constitutes a 'good guy'. This 'good guy' will in most cases have used a few women in his time. My ex to this day considers himself a 'good guy' and he is not. Having a desire for a woman does not make one a 'good guy'.

 

There is a sense of entitlement in this thread which I truly believe feeds into the legitimising of abuse of women by men.

 

.. but I do think that people get what they desrve a lot of the time. This is for the individual to work out and is best done soberly and honestly for the most complete results.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[udolipixie]

Very true. Men are sick and tired of having to pay the price for what some other man did and women tend to do that. There is no pleasing women that hate men. You can be the kindest and most loving man in the world but they will still want to punish you and a man hater is what many of these women who play around with bad boys end up being.

 

Why the hell would any man sign up to take punishment for baggage he did not cause. It's like going to the prison and wanting to serve another person's sentence.

 

I pretty much said the same thing about nice guys & good guys who were mistrustful or bitter because of past experiences or a lack of experiences.

 

Except my view wasn't that they'd punish you if you were an absolute sweetheart.

 

But that you shouldn't have to deal with their baggage just because you're the same gender as the women who cheated on him, lied to him, used him, or passed him up.

[udolipixie]

Ok, I can see a likeness to more than a few women on this site and also with my Hubbys ex here..

 

I would however caution too strict a view on what constitutes a 'good guy'. This 'good guy' will in most cases have used a few women in his time. My ex to this day considers himself a 'good guy' and he is not. Having a desire for a woman does not make one a 'good guy'.

 

There is a sense of entitlement in this thread which I truly believe feeds into the legitimising of abuse of women by men.

 

.. but I do think that people get what they desrve a lot of the time. This is for the individual to work out and is best done soberly and honestly for the most complete results.

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

Yeah it's quite contradictory the good guy wants serious relationships & to be married one day however he may also have had chosen to have a few one night stands or hookups.

 

But a woman who even had an instance of a bad boy in her history is lined up with the women who continued to cycle through bad boys or thrived on them.

 

So a guy with a few indiscretions & questionable actions is still a good guy.

 

But a woman who way have dated 1-3 bad boys in her teens but wised up and dated well in her 20s is at best a reformed woman and lucky to have a good guy overlook her past.

[Woggle]

I find that men keep giving women chance after chance while women will make every man pay for what some guy in high school did.

[Floridaman]

Basically the non 7 women shouldn't have wasted time on good guys their own age but good guys older than them if they didn't want to end up single or in the serial monogamy cycle.[/b]

What is it with your obssessive belief that us "Good Guys" (and yes, I consider myself a member of that club) would do you gals wrong?

 

You'd date us but then we'd leave you for younger skirts?

 

We're GOOD GUYS because WE'RE GOOD TO WOMEN...

treat them well, don't pressure them or demand sex (mostly) and really consider their feelings..

^ The thought of dating older sickens me which is why I'm set on not serial monogamy but multi-dating.

 

No point in dating the good guys my age when I'll just end up in the serial monogamy cycle and then when I'm older I'll be single or in a new monogamy cycle with a guy when he wants to settle down will choose a younger woman.

 

No point in dating the older good guys since I'm not attracted to them.

That's fatalistic thinking.

You're as responsible for a relationship's success as your partner.

 

 

One of my aunts dated the "bad boys..." who gave her a bad reputation ( as "easy") and she had a child out of wedlock at much too early of an age...

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3474218&postcount=66

 

She married some of those bad boys as well. Look at the devastation they left on her and her family... 4-5 marriages and now she's fat and penniless...

White trash some of her family are now..... A couple of her daughters (from diff. fathers) have children in their teens.... No real father figure in that part of the family...

 

I lay most of that on her.... All bec. of a serious lack of judgement on her part...

 

 

 

Methinks you're assuming things will go bad with us "Good Guys" so you won't give us a chance...

[Untouchable_Fire]

I find that men keep giving women chance after chance while women will make every man pay for what some guy in high school did.

 

YES! I'm a perfect example. I've been screwed over in a major way by my last 2 x/GF's. Instead of paying it forward and cheating on any woman I date... I just boycott the type of women I felt were responsible. No harm done.

 

The average woman will go and cheat on her next 5 boyfriends to get back at one guy. Which is why if a woman tells me she was abused or cheated on at any point in the past I freak. They just don't ever put any effort into really fixing it. Oh, I will hear a woman talk about healing... the be cheating 1 year later.

 

I also want to point out to HomeBrew that my x/GF who literally robbed me while cheating dated nothing but nice guys up to the age of 29. NOW she dates a drug dealer.

[udolipixie]

udolipixie,

1. A women gives herself a much better chance and opportunity to meet, date, fall in love and marry a "Good Guy" if all she dates is "Good Guys".

2. Even if the relationship with the "Good Guys" doesn't lead to marriage. At least she is going to be treated well and will more than likely leave that relationship a better person. .

 

A better chance but no guarantee which is why it's off to assume old woman = she passed up good guys.

 

As for the better person.

 

She's a better person without that end result.

 

Basically she's a person who still has the positive vibe.

 

Like she was before.

 

So all she has is the ability to keep attracting/keeping good guys.

 

So she's just set to continue that serial monogamy cycle.

 

Except now that she's older the guy she's dating when he wants to settle down most likely will want a younger woman to start a family with.

 

 

 

4. I do agree that men assume most single women that are older are the screwed up number 7 ones. We come by this assumption honestly though.

 

I find this assumption is usually made by guys after a few tries.

 

They get with other guys who made a few tries & the very rare guys who made multiple tries.

 

I found this out when I hooked up a few older women with older guys I know the guys and the guys were shocked by the women.

 

II was laughing when they asked where I hid this goldmine.

 

I was until they talked about the 1-6 months they spent looking for women their age.

 

That's a short time to assume all women their age is like that when you include in the amount of time it takes for a guy to find a date and the fact that they weren't solely focusing on women their age..some weren't even truly focusing women there age was an afterthought.

 

It's bittersweet but with some serious matchmaking & promising that she's not an evil succubus that these women got there end result.

 

 

 

5. If you are an older women, have your crap together and are not a number 7 women... Getting male attention and landing a husband shouldn't be difficult.

 

Getting male attention isn't the problem.

 

Getting looked at & having sex is easy.

 

Casual relationships easy as well.

 

But a serious relationship, a long term relationship, and marriage? Not so easy.

 

It shouldn't be difficult to get a healthy relationship with a worthwhile guy but it is.

 

Guys assume most women are the same so why go for a few good catches when they could go where they're mostly great catches.

 

Guys with the same baggage prefer women without it.

 

Some guys just prefer younger or much younger due to attraction.

 

Some don't prefer but they see it as attraction with old woman vs a lot of attraction with young women.

[Woggle]

YES! I'm a perfect example. I've been screwed over in a major way by my last 2 x/GF's. Instead of paying it forward and cheating on any woman I date... I just boycott the type of women I felt were responsible. No harm done.

 

The average woman will go and cheat on her next 5 boyfriends to get back at one guy. Which is why if a woman tells me she was abused or cheated on at any point in the past I freak. They just don't ever put any effort into really fixing it. Oh, I will hear a woman talk about healing... the be cheating 1 year later.

 

I also want to point out to HomeBrew that my x/GF who literally robbed me while cheating dated nothing but nice guys up to the age of 29. NOW she dates a drug dealer.

 

Very true. I admit I am not afraid to let my opinions on gender be known but I have never once cheated on or abused a woman or mistreated them in any way. Sure I vent but I don't make innocent women pay for what one did.

[udolipixie]

I find that men keep giving women chance after chance while women will make every man pay for what some guy in high school did.

 

I find men just gloss over women assuming the ones their age are mostly the same.

 

Or they use women who are damaged or easy targets.

 

 

 

The guys who keep giving chances are usually not really all that assertive in meeting their needs.

 

If by chance you mean staying with a woman who mistreats him.

 

 

 

If by chance you meant meeting women & finding out they're bitter.

 

That's not a gender thing it's a people thing.

 

Woken often meet men & find they're bitter.

[Woggle]

Dating bad boys is like doing drugs. The more a person is away from it the more I believe they are serious about changing.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Also I would like to take 1 post to bitch about my sister.

 

She has dated such a long string of losers I struggle to imagine where she even finds these guys. One robbed my parents, one cheated the entire relationship with 3 other women and gave her an STD, one lied the whole time and was married.

 

I find out last week that my friend who is 1/2 fillipino asked her out twice and she said No. This guy has a stable job and treated his fat ugly ex/GF like gold.

 

Instead she is now dating this x/convict that WON'T get a job! He looks so scraggly that every time I see him I feel like he is going to hit me up for spare change.

 

When I asked her why she turned down my friend she told me the guy seemed boring and short.

[Floridaman]

The only difference with dating good guys when younger is that you may get a long term healthy relationship.

 

That doesn't mean a woman who dated good guys hen young won't end up alone when older (aka single or unmarried).

No... but it doesn't mean a "Bad Girl" won't end up with a good relationship once in a while, too.

Predicting the future doesn't help things here.

 

So what if a Good Girl dates a Good Guy and things don't work out?

There's so much more likelihood things will be better with decent guys vs. the jerks...

 

Guess I'm seeing what some women are really like...

They're not "bad girls" but heaven forbid they waste time with us "Good Guys..."

 

Like the other poster said, they shouldn't expect us to be doormats there to catch them when they fall and the clock ticking grows louder...

Edited July 7, 2011 by Floridaman

[Untouchable_Fire]

I find men just gloss over women assuming the ones their age are mostly the same.

Or they use women who are damaged or easy targets.

 

I've always dated women my age. They always seem ahead of me in terms of maturity. Now I'm dating a woman 5-6 years younger and we are perfectly matched in terms of that.

 

Some guys do literally hunt down women who are mental and use them mercilessly. We call them Jerks or Bad Boys, and it's often an unstoppable mutual attraction.

 

Just don't come to me 10 years later and expect sympathy or assistance dealing with your baggage.

[udolipixie]

What is it with your obssessive belief that us "Good Guys" (and yes, I consider myself a member of that club) would do you gals wrong?

 

What?

 

If I thought good guys would do women wrong I wouldn't suggest that women date older good guys.

 

My belief is that women shouldn't waste time on good guys their own age but good guys older than them.

 

This way they don't end up in their 20s dating good guys & in their 30s single or still just dating good guys.

 

 

You're as responsible for a relationship's success as your partner.

 

Where did you get that the women aren't responsible for the relationships success?

My point has been you can get a good genuine serious & healthy relationship but not the end result.

 

So when young a woman should date older good guys & get a high chance of the end result along with healthy relationship experiences.

 

Instead of dating good guys your age just healthy relationships & a low chance of the end result.

 

 

You'd date us but then we'd leave you for younger skirts?

 

Good or not a guy can date a woman his age but not want to settle down with her & prefer someone younger to start a family with.

[Queen Zenobia]

Also I would like to take 1 post to bitch about my sister.

 

She has dated such a long string of losers I struggle to imagine where she even finds these guys. One robbed my parents, one cheated the entire relationship with 3 other women and gave her an STD, one lied the whole time and was married.

 

I find out last week that my friend who is 1/2 fillipino asked her out twice and she said No. This guy has a stable job and treated his fat ugly ex/GF like gold.

 

Instead she is now dating this x/convict that WON'T get a job! He looks so scraggly that every time I see him I feel like he is going to hit me up for spare change.

 

When I asked her why she turned down my friend she told me the guy seemed boring and short.

 

This sort of thing makes me think that people with such an established pattern like this (i.e. not an honest mistake or two) should just do the honorable thing and lay in the beds that they made.

[fwang]

I mainly date women in the 25 - 30 age range so I will report in what I am seeing in the field...

 

A lot of women in the 16 - 25 age range seem to go into this "I only date Bad Boys that treat me like crap and although you might even see my cry over it... Don't worry, after this a-hole screws me over for the fifth or six time, I will simply replace him with a new and improved Bad Boy that will treat me even worse than the last one did." phase.

 

Problem is... Most women go into that "phase" thinking they will just live on the wild side for a little while and it will not have any lasting effects on them or their future relationships.

 

From my personal experience...

 

Only a select few... ever make it out of that "phase" unharmed without any real permanent damage being done.

 

For most women, that "phase" royally screws them up... permanently for life! (a.k.a. "Damaged Goods")

 

These women created their own problem because they continued to date "bad boy" after "bad boy" until that had irreparable harm done to them.

 

You want to know what I don't understand....

 

Even though I have always been a "good guy"... For some reason, they seem to think that I should want too / have too pay for crimes that I didn't commit and on top of all that... These women are nasty, angry and bitter.

 

No Thanks, I will pass!

 

Go back to the "bad boys" that we warned you about and let them deal with you... Oh wait, they never really cared about you in the first place and they certainty don't have any more use for you now.

 

Yeah... I don't get it either.

 

I live in Austin, Texas. And there are tons of girls like these. The worst part is, people tend to put me into the same category as these girls. This causes a lot of problems for me.

 

[udolipixie]

Methinks you're assuming things will go bad with us "Good Guys" so you won't give us a chance...

 

I'm assuming things about good guys my age.

 

My assumption being a woman will spend her 20s dating good guys & having successful healthy serious relationships but will end up alone or still dating good guys in her 30s.

 

Once again relationship /= marriage.

 

So even if that good guy is settle down despite having a serious relationship with her he may not want to settle down with her.

 

Or he may be in a relationship but when he's ready to settle down he seeks a young woman to start a family with.

 

I'm saying when young these women shouldn't haven given good guys their age a chance but good guys older than them.

 

As for me I'm stuck what will give me a high chance is older guys & I'm not attracted to them.

 

But I'm happily stuck. The circle of amazing single women I know are a great inspiration.

[udolipixie]

I live in Austin, Texas. And there are tons of girls like these. The worst part is, people tend to put me into the same category as these girls. This causes a lot of problems for me.

 

 

You're not the only one.

[Queen Zenobia]

I'm assuming things about good guys my age.

 

My assumption being a woman will spend her 20s dating good guys & having successful healthy serious relationships but will end up alone or still dating good guys in her 30s.

 

Once again relationship /= marriage.

 

So even if that good guy is settle down despite having a serious relationship with her he may not want to settle down with her.

 

Or he may be in a relationship but when he's ready to settle down he seeks a young woman to start a family with.

 

I'm saying when young these women shouldn't haven given good guys their age a chance but good guys older than them.

 

As for me I'm stuck what will give me a high chance is older guys & I'm not attracted to them.

 

But I'm happily stuck. The circle of amazing single women I know are a great inspiration.

 

This sounds like the logic of an extremely cynical person.

[Untouchable_Fire]

This sort of thing makes me think that people with such an established pattern like this (i.e. not an honest mistake or two) should just do the honorable thing and lay in the beds that they made.

 

You have no idea how much this Sh** just wrecks a family. My father is now disabled from work... my mother is supporting the household and has to give my sister 10-30% of their income every month because she bought Marijuana for her BF instead of paying the rent.

 

Then when my parents are hard up... Guess who they come asking for help. ME! I hate this. My mom won't cut her off and I can't tell my parents no... they gave up tons for me.

 

I used to just hate the bad boy/user type guys... but now I realize it really isn't them. As soon as one is gone my sister goes out desperately in search of another. We need to strangle the demand... The supply will go away as a course of nature.

 

Demand for User/Butthole guys is so freaking high, quality guys are actually acting like pieces of crap just to get in the door.

 

And Ultimately, I pay for them all. F*** That! $45,000 in taxes last year... and what do I get from it?

[udolipixie]

This sounds like the logic of an extremely cynical person.

 

No if I was extremely cynical I would assume that about all good guys not just the young ones.

[Taramere]

You have no idea how much this Sh** just wrecks a family. My father is now disabled from work... my mother is supporting the household and has to give my sister 10-30% of their income every month because she bought Marijuana for her BF instead of paying the rent.

 

Then when my parents are hard up... Guess who they come asking for help. ME! I hate this. My mom won't cut her off and I can't tell my parents no... they gave up tons for me.

 

I used to just hate the bad boy/user type guys... but now I realize it really isn't them. As soon as one is gone my sister goes out desperately in search of another. We need to strangle the demand... The supply will go away as a course of nature.

 

Have you ever had a discussion with your sister about this?