TwinkletOes26 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 WOW at some of the comments...um yea:sick::sick: Anywho....I am glad everything worked out with you and your mom. Now wait two years and then road trip to Canada and drink . Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbies Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 You're right, though. I do tend to generalize based on my own perceptions. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery... CONGRATULATIONS, DOOD...AH!!!!!:bunny: Seriously, your life will begin to improve exponentially when you realise, you survived and you've got to let go of the hurt rather than projecting it on everything/one... Link to post Share on other sites
turnera Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Lady Day, (and KaReN, I apologize for the t/j) what do you think of my hypothesis that that proud cheater mentality came about in the 60s due to the changes in welfare payments, wherein if you were married, you got less money than if you were NOT married, which led to families actually divorcing, which in itself led to just starting to not expect to get married, which led to the current culture of the men not needing to, nor even wanting to, be in the family - let the women raise them and all? Link to post Share on other sites
TwinkletOes26 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I am still wondering why people feel it is ok for the girls mama to put her hands on her? I mean if I got drunk at a club and called someone a C-word and the girl punches me...the cops arent going to look at me and say "well you shouldnt have called her a c-word. No they are going to take the assaulting party off. Just because someone says something you dont like doesnt give you a right to hit them. Im sure that Karens mother has been called worse by someone not her daughter and i doubt she "lost it" slapped them. I know thats her mom and the only mom she will have but honestly the reason why some of are looking at the mothers actions is because she is the parent and suppose to be in control. I also know someone is going to say "ppl expect parents to be perfect and never loose it" well im willing to bet you manage not to loose it at your job or out in public when frustration hits. ... I am not saying karen was right in her actions but her mother was wrong too they were BOTH wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
turnera Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 People today who act like a slap on a child is the end of the world should do some reading and learn about history. People have been punished from the beginning of man's time on earth and - barring abuse - no one has come out scarred for life. In fact, if you study history and sociology and compare today's group-hug mentality and the quality of life this generation is enjoying and will enjoy, and compare it to the quality of life of, say, 100 years ago, you'll see that the permissiveness and political correctness of today not only confuses young people (who have been robbed of the value of learning one's place in the 'pack'), but it stifles their yearning to achieve and creates a false, temporary, and unsustainable sense of worth that should be coming from achievement, not just 'being.' Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbies Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 People today who act like a slap on a child is the end of the world should do some reading and learn about history. People have been punished from the beginning of man's time on earth and - barring abuse - no one has come out scarred for life. In fact, if you study history and sociology and compare today's group-hug mentality and the quality of life this generation is enjoying and will enjoy, and compare it to the quality of life of, say, 100 years ago, you'll see that the permissiveness and political correctness of today not only confuses young people (who have been robbed of the value of learning one's place in the 'pack'), but it stifles their yearning to achieve and creates a false, temporary, and unsustainable sense of worth that should be coming from achievement, not just 'being.' 2 BIG snaps...:bunny: Link to post Share on other sites
Emme Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I am still wondering why people feel it is ok for the girls mama to put her hands on her? "Honor your father & mother: that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God gives to you" That use to mean something to some people. Whatever the OP called her mother, she called herself. She is of her mothers flesh. Her mother put her back in check and a slap was how she chose to go about it. It's that simple. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 People today who act like a slap on a child is the end of the world should do some reading and learn about history. People have been punished from the beginning of man's time on earth and - barring abuse - no one has come out scarred for life. In fact, if you study history and sociology and compare today's group-hug mentality and the quality of life this generation is enjoying and will enjoy, and compare it to the quality of life of, say, 100 years ago, you'll see that the permissiveness and political correctness of today not only confuses young people (who have been robbed of the value of learning one's place in the 'pack'), but it stifles their yearning to achieve and creates a false, temporary, and unsustainable sense of worth that should be coming from achievement, not just 'being.' Well said! <--- Here's yer bunny! Link to post Share on other sites
Dooda Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 People today who act like a slap on a child is the end of the world should do some reading and learn about history. People have been punished from the beginning of man's time on earth and - barring abuse - no one has come out scarred for life. In fact, if you study history and sociology and compare today's group-hug mentality and the quality of life this generation is enjoying and will enjoy, and compare it to the quality of life of, say, 100 years ago, you'll see that the permissiveness and political correctness of today not only confuses young people (who have been robbed of the value of learning one's place in the 'pack'), but it stifles their yearning to achieve and creates a false, temporary, and unsustainable sense of worth that should be coming from achievement, not just 'being.' Well, in the past, genocides have occurred on massive levels. Wars have been waged on the basis of religion and where people were born/grew up. I think it is the fact that people grew up in such harsh times/lifestyles that caused there to be constant havoc/chaos/war/disease in pastimes. In the 'old days', and 'millenia past', there were millions and millions of slaves, and in most societies 97% of the population was piss poor with 0 power and looked up to and obeyed a ruling power (person/group of people). It's ok to spurt opinions in the air like this, but if you want to base an opinion on fact rather than generalization, make sure you put some statistics in there, and not just vague speculations about what you believe to be true but really isn't. What is happening is that people (children especially) are becoming slightly more aware of the freedom they have. In the past, there was no such thing as a demonstration, or strike. In the past, you took ****, ate it and slept with it under your pillow. Pre-1800, you were killed for thinking of protesting against society. It took ages for society to evolve enough to understand that people should no be treated as slaves, and it still has a lot of work to do. You're lying to yourself if you think there was 'respect' in ages past. There was nothing but fear and the separation of classes was even broader. Quality of life? Pre-1800, the average mortality age was about 40-45. Nowadays, it is 75+ in most developed countries. Most you 'old folks' accusing young people of being rude, etc etc would be dead. The world was run by disease, chaos, war, bloodshed, corruption. Only very few people got to live a 'good' life. I am 100% against globalization/the corporate world/working to survive... And teaching kids strict laws and rules does not create great kids, it creates conforming kids. A slap on a child is not the end of the world, but neither is dropping a nuclear bomb on a country... What's wrong is wrong... We cannot keep going about excusing behavior's based on the simple and silly belief that "It's not the end of the world". How about we start from the beginning: "it's not the end of the world if a kid makes a mistake, a stupid mistake." "Parents have emotions too..." yet by losing control and slapping your child you're teaching her/him the wrong things and the wrong way to deal with tense/hard/fearful situations. You expect a child to learn how to react/deal with the society we live in (which is dealing with ****), and by slapping you don't lead by example. It's ok for a parent to lose control, but it's starting to sound like the person who keeps doing something wrong and then saying "I'm human, too," instead of apologizing. Why don't we stop excusing wrong behavior, no matter from whom, and just accept the fact that the mother was wrong. Some of you parents are so stubborn. Link to post Share on other sites
Dooda Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 "Honor your father & mother: that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God gives to you" That use to mean something to some people. Whatever the OP called her mother, she called herself. She is of her mothers flesh. Her mother put her back in check and a slap was how she chose to go about it. It's that simple. I used to believe this for the longest time, which restrained me from fighting back. But what is wrong is wrong, and cannot be excused by some expression of olden time, phrase from a story book. Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbies Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery... CONGRATULATIONS, DOOD...AH!!!!!:bunny: I take this back. Change the record, it's boring... Link to post Share on other sites
bentnotbroken Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I take this back. Change the record, it's boring... I figured you might. Link to post Share on other sites
Dooda Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I take this back. Change the record, it's boring... *Throws patronizing words back* Now shoo with your trolling Link to post Share on other sites
reddog63 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) I end up crying, not from the slap itself but the fact she never hit me. To make a long story short I got wasted and well it created an argument. She started yelling in my face and so in my drunkard state of mind, I yelled back. It was in one of those moment, one word (the next day she told me I had used the C word on her) slipped from me and it happened so fast. She slapped me so hard, I almost lost my balance. I just started crying and said Mom, you never hit me, I hate you, I hate then just headed to my room. We're gonna talk about this later on and well she feels kind of bad too for doing this. This is normally not the way I act out and never was. I was drunk at that moment. The right side of my face is still red from the slap. Should I still be upset because I am? If you really sit back and look at your actions, the fact that your getting wasted, calling your mother the C word, etc.............can you really blame her? That was so disrespectful on many levels...... LOL......just as you were surprised being slapped.........can you imagine the shock of a daughter to use that C word on her??? she was probably just as shocked as you! A generation or two ago, that slap would be the norm. And I think more of that generation grew up respecting parents a whole lot more then today's kids do. Edited July 29, 2011 by reddog63 correction Link to post Share on other sites
turnera Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Some of you parents are so stubborn. WE are stubborn? Why, because we aren't agreeing with you? lol I wish you could see how ridiculous you guys sound. Oh, wait, you will. In about 25 years, after you've lived life for a while. Quality of life was better because the human being is driven by the need to accomplish. In today's eutopia, you're born, you learn how to walk and talk, and you're plopped in front of a tv or a computer. Instant babysitter. So the parents can enjoy their life, too, right? Instead of exploring life and spending all day outside running around with your friends, you talk over a computer or a text. Oh, wait, you CAN'T go outside because in today's eutopia, you have child molesters and robbers and serial killers to contend with who have proliferated because they grew up in this eutopia, too, and are so far away from living the way humans were meant to live that they get their priorities straight. Yesterday's 20 year old worked his butt off, usually in manual labor, to earn enough money to buy a car cos his parents sure weren't going to give him one. And he was PROUD of that car because he EARNED it. He didn't have 3 or 5 or 7 electronic devices because no one would have paid for them. If he did get ONE, he cherished it and never took it for granted. If he broke one, he worked again to save up money to replace it, instead of using a credit card - who cares, I'll pay for it later, with interest. Genocide...still going on, dear. All around you. Wars are being waged all over the world in the name of religion. 9/11, anyone? And please don't tell me that I'm lying if I think there was respect. I lived it, dearie, I WATCHED the respect of a 16 year old kid who helped an old lady simply because she was older and therefore deserved his respect. I watched men willingly be drafted into the army to protect the country they respected and never took for granted. I watched kids around me respect their teachers BECAUSE they were teachers, kids who wouldn't even consider bad mouthing a teacher, or beating one up. Those of you who didn't grow up in such a society will never understand what you've lost out on, but I guarantee you this: in 40-50 years, when you're in your retirement era, you will never be able to look back and see a peaceful, contented, life because y'all's lives are not built around accomplishment and achievement, but rather getting what the world OWES you - and you will find you've been sorely disappointed, because you never really got it. And, if you're lucky, you'll realize the world never really owed you anything. It was always the other way around, and THAT is the road to true happiness. Link to post Share on other sites
turnera Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 *Throws patronizing words back* Now shoo with your trolling So someone disagreeing with you and asking you to be accountable is trolling? Ok... Link to post Share on other sites
turnera Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 In my world, the proud infidelity is based in West Indian culture. Boys grow up with no fathers and use impregnating several women, as I way to feel like real men.Interesting! I never knew that. Hmmm...that makes me want to do some research to see the correlation, psychologically speaking, between that culture and the culture that was created in America from welfare. Link to post Share on other sites
turnera Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 If you really sit back and look at your actions, the fact that your getting wasted, calling your mother the C word, etc.............can you really blame her? That was so disrespectful on many levels...... LOL......just as you were surprised being slapped.........can you imagine the shock of a daughter to use that C word on her??? she was probably just as shocked as you! A generation or two ago, that slap would be the norm. And I think more of that generation grew up respecting parents a whole lot more then today's kids do. reddog, KaReN ended up resolving everything with her mom and learning a lot in the meantime, I think. She actually has turned out to be a very impressive young lady. Link to post Share on other sites
ilikesunita Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Well, in the past, genocides have occurred on massive levels. Wars have been waged on the basis of religion and where people were born/grew up. I think it is the fact that people grew up in such harsh times/lifestyles that caused there to be constant havoc/chaos/war/disease in pastimes. In the 'old days', and 'millenia past', there were millions and millions of slaves, and in most societies 97% of the population was piss poor with 0 power and looked up to and obeyed a ruling power (person/group of people). It's ok to spurt opinions in the air like this, but if you want to base an opinion on fact rather than generalization, make sure you put some statistics in there, and not just vague speculations about what you believe to be true but really isn't. What is happening is that people (children especially) are becoming slightly more aware of the freedom they have. In the past, there was no such thing as a demonstration, or strike. In the past, you took ****, ate it and slept with it under your pillow. Pre-1800, you were killed for thinking of protesting against society. It took ages for society to evolve enough to understand that people should no be treated as slaves, and it still has a lot of work to do. You're lying to yourself if you think there was 'respect' in ages past. There was nothing but fear and the separation of classes was even broader. Quality of life? Pre-1800, the average mortality age was about 40-45. Nowadays, it is 75+ in most developed countries. Most you 'old folks' accusing young people of being rude, etc etc would be dead. The world was run by disease, chaos, war, bloodshed, corruption. Only very few people got to live a 'good' life. I am 100% against globalization/the corporate world/working to survive... And teaching kids strict laws and rules does not create great kids, it creates conforming kids. A slap on a child is not the end of the world, but neither is dropping a nuclear bomb on a country... What's wrong is wrong... We cannot keep going about excusing behavior's based on the simple and silly belief that "It's not the end of the world". How about we start from the beginning: "it's not the end of the world if a kid makes a mistake, a stupid mistake." "Parents have emotions too..." yet by losing control and slapping your child you're teaching her/him the wrong things and the wrong way to deal with tense/hard/fearful situations. You expect a child to learn how to react/deal with the society we live in (which is dealing with ****), and by slapping you don't lead by example. It's ok for a parent to lose control, but it's starting to sound like the person who keeps doing something wrong and then saying "I'm human, too," instead of apologizing. Why don't we stop excusing wrong behavior, no matter from whom, and just accept the fact that the mother was wrong. Some of you parents are so stubborn. You've been brainwashed by modern beliefs/liberal elite propaganda. Conformity is a function of personality, who is to say that freeness is inherently good? Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbies Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 You've been brainwashed by modern beliefs/liberal elite propaganda. Conformity is a function of personality, who is to say that freeness is inherently good? Or even free? How lucky we are to have the wealth, time & freedom to debate and discuss such issues with full bellies. How lucky we are to have had parents who got us to this living point, literate and with a computer, maybe life ain't so bad... You'll have enough to complain about soon enough, for now, if you have no partner or children to support, have never had anyone depending on you for their very lives> I suggest you come back and discuss this topic with those of us who have already had those things after that point. It will be much easier to respect what you say. For now, It has the distinct feeling of arguing with a child about the unfairness of his bedtime, sorry bros... Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbies Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery... CONGRATULATIONS, DOOD...AH!!!!!:bunny: Seriously, your life will begin to improve exponentially when you realise, you survived and you've got to let go of the hurt rather than projecting it on everything/one... you realised your view was skewed, that showed maturity I complimented you for it, you chose to ignore it... and just carry on with your original tack. I take this back. Change the record, it's boring... *Throws patronizing words back* Now shoo with your trolling Did you catch the first ones? No-one is listening to you anymore... you sound like a damaged demented person and you're not making sense. Boring, people will stop feeling sorry for you and move on...IRL too...watch out... So someone disagreeing with you and asking you to be accountable is trolling? Ok... spoken like a snotty teenager kids these days, eh? ..and now for something completely different... Ladies and gents, I give you...the four Yorkshiremen sketch! Link to post Share on other sites
ilikesunita Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Or even free? How lucky we are to have the wealth, time & freedom to debate and discuss such issues with full bellies. How lucky we are to have had parents who got us to this living point, literate and with a computer, maybe life ain't so bad... You'll have enough to complain about soon enough, for now, if you have no partner or children to support, have never had anyone depending on you for their very lives> I suggest you come back and discuss this topic with those of us who have already had those things after that point. It will be much easier to respect what you say. For now, It has the distinct feeling of arguing with a child about the unfairness of his bedtime, sorry bros... what child? what perchance are you talking about, and who are you referring to? Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbies Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 to whom are you referring? to whom are you referring? to whom are you referring? to whom are you referring? why can't people get simple grammar right? ARGH! Jeez, are you the same one who asked if English was someone's first language? Seriously? Link to post Share on other sites
ilikesunita Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 to whom are you referring? to whom are you referring? to whom are you referring? to whom are you referring? why can't people get simple grammar right? ARGH! Jeez, are you the same one who asked if English was someone's first language? Seriously? Hmm.. is Jeez Standard English? I only asked initially since your post was a non-sequitir relative to my own. Link to post Share on other sites
ilikesunita Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 "Oh, who's being naive, Kay?" How am I being naive? we have human rights agreements today that did not exist centuries ago. We also seek to stamp out genocides. Human beings are cruel, so what? this doesn't mean we don't take steps to stop atrocities. It is naive to presume we don't. Link to post Share on other sites
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