StoneCold Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 . (unless they simply hang out at heathen hangouts where all people are interested in is sex) Are you an evangelical? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Memphis Raines Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 There are lots of other cultures and societys and entire countries other than America that don't share your beliefs. and thats fine, I, However, am in America. I'm sure you're aware that not everyone believes as you do, and doesn't live by your rules, but what will probably come as a shock to you is that doesn't make them wrong nor you right. nor does it make them right or me wrong. works both ways buddy. Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Since you find the "other" part of the forum so troubling, the what was the point of going over there just a little while ago and taking a shot at Lizzie???? The comment you made wasn't on topic, it was just an insult. Obviously you go over there quite often since you have quite a bit to say about it here. Really! methinks Memphis may have a hidden desire for the other side.... Isnt that right memphis Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Pray tell, which country is it admirable to be dishonest? Well, she said its not cheating if everyone knows and agrees and there are countries where monogamy without lying is very acceptable. 4 million of them in Indonesia alone; its pretty common there. And then the Mosuo (I think I spelled it right ) tribe practice non monogamy and believe it rude to ask someone if they are sleeping with anyone else let alone ask them to not sleep with anyone else. Their culture is all about sexual privacy for both men and women. Different Strokes! Different Strokes! Different Strokes to move the Wooorrrrllld! Different stroke indeed Link to post Share on other sites
nyrias Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 well when one tells the forum they don't believe monogamy is natural, it stands to reason that they don't practice monogamy, and has cheated before. if we are wrong and you haven't cheated quite a few times, then just let us know uh? What kind of logic is that? Computer is not natural. I am using one now. Western medicine is not natural. I surely will take my pills when i am sick. It does not stand to reason that someone will not practice monogamy just because they don't think it is natural. At least not all of them. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Memphis Raines Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Since you find the "other" part of the forum so troubling, the what was the point of going over there just a little while ago and taking a shot at Lizzie???? pulled up in a search. like i said, I try for the most part to stay out. and what shot? come one? she is telling yet another tall tale to convey the image that she is just do irresistible to all men. I simply called her on her great bit of fiction. its good reading though. it really is. The comment you made wasn't on topic, it was just an insult. well what was the topic other than to brag about something, that obviously didn't happen? and again, nothing stops the dregs and those that like to screw people over in real life coming into a part of the forum where people, for the most part, are here dealing with the bull***** bestowed upon them by people like that. So while I really try to stay out of that forum, they come in here and spew their *****, I'll go over there if I want. But I try not to. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Memphis Raines Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 methinks Memphis may have a hidden desire for the other side.... Isnt that right memphis Oh I have a hidden desire for the "other" side alright, but it aint to be like them:cool: Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Oh I have a hidden desire for the "other" side alright, but it aint to be like them:cool: Guilty pleasures eh? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Memphis Raines Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 uh? What kind of logic is that? that if the think its not natural, then more than likely they simply don't want to forsake all others. its simple really. the other comparisons you made do not hold water. if someone openly says its not natural, then the will not want to adhere to monogamy. the don't want to forsake all others. but the poster to whom it was directed hasn't told me I am wrong yet. so we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Cool. Then what you said here: all I said was that lying to them and sneaking around hoping they never find out means you don't love them. Which was prefaced and followed up with, when someone over looked it like you did, multiple times on LS including right here in this thread that it was my opinion and not a rule. You tried to pick a fight and the fight just isn't there lady so you're going to have to have it with yourself if you must have the fight. I'd just appreciate it if you didn't attribute things to me I didn't say. Link to post Share on other sites
silktricks Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Which was prefaced and followed up with, when someone over looked it like you did, multiple times on LS including right here in this thread that it was my opinion and not a rule. You tried to pick a fight and the fight just isn't there lady so you're going to have to have it with yourself if you must have the fight. I'd just appreciate it if you didn't attribute things to me I didn't say. Sally, you and I are definitely on the wrong foot. From the beginning of our discussion I have repeatedly spoken of my opinion. I have felt that my opinion was not OK with you. Yet, I referred to it as my opinion. Though you state here that you prefaced and followed up with your statements as an opinion, I have looked back and not seen that. It's certainly possible that I missed your reference, or it's possible that however you are saying it does not register with me as simply an opinion. I have not attributed to you anything you did not say, as it was a direct quote. I do not wish to fight with you and actually have felt that you want to fight with me - since you state that you do not, I'm glad. I know that my opinion is not a particularly popular one in some circles, but that doesn't make it any less valid than is any other opinion. I actually like and as I stated before do not disagree with most of what you've said, other than the statement(s) indicating that it is impossible to lie to someone you love and still love them. It is my opinion that this is both possible and common. Link to post Share on other sites
PatFinkle Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Lying to someone and cheating on them is not a loving act. Cheating on someone is one of the worst things you could do in your relationship. No one who loved their spouse could cheat on them. --Pat F Link to post Share on other sites
Owl Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Lying to someone and cheating on them is not a loving act. Cheating on someone is one of the worst things you could do in your relationship. No one who loved their spouse could cheat on them. --Pat F Not always the truth. No one who was FOCUSING on their love for their spouse could do this. But if they're focusing on their own feelings at that time, and not taking into account their spouse...they can still love their spouse...they're just not prioritizing their spouse over themselves at that point in time. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Sally, you and I are definitely on the wrong foot. From the beginning of our discussion I have repeatedly spoken of my opinion. I have felt that my opinion was not OK with you. Yet, I referred to it as my opinion. Though you state here that you prefaced and followed up with your statements as an opinion, I have looked back and not seen that. It's certainly possible that I missed your reference, or it's possible that however you are saying it does not register with me as simply an opinion. I have not attributed to you anything you did not say, as it was a direct quote. It is possible and probable that the confusion is due to assumption. We all do it to varying degrees. My own leanings toward assumption is that when I read someone's statements and they are not speaking about enforced laws or scientific fact, they are always speaking from a position of opinion and that it applies to them and people who agree with them only. If I grow confused about which category their statements land, I ASK before I accuse. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Please read again. I said nothing about the want to have sex with others indicating you don't love your partner. I never even said taking on a second, sexual relationship must mean you don't love your spouse. all I said was that lying to them and sneaking around hoping they never find out means you don't love them. And the love I described has everything to do with my life at least. It isn't some impossible ideal because I live it everyday. Damn sure if I one day find myself unable to continue monogamously within my marriage, my husband will be the first to hear of it before any outside sexin' goes on. He will have all the info he needs to decide what if any kind of relationship he wants to have with me from that point on even if it means I don't get my cake AND the ability to eat it too. That is unselfish love. That is real love. I would have to say that the bolded makes it clear, at least to me, that s4s is speaking in terms of how SHE views things and what she is willing or unwilling to deal with in her R. Isn't that called "opinion?" "...my life at least." She's not saying it's universal. She says it applies to her life. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I would have to say that the bolded makes it clear, at least to me, that s4s is speaking in terms of how SHE views things and what she is willing or unwilling to deal with in her R. Isn't that called "opinion?" "...my life at least." She's not saying it's universal. She says it applies to her life. Did you ever know that you're my hero? Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Did you ever know that you're my hero? Well, I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad here either. I can understand how your opinion might rub raw the feelings of someone who reconciled with a cheating spouse. But they shouldn't let your opinion hurt them. They know their spouse and their R a lot more than we do, after all. Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Perhaps some people wouldn't want to be like you either. I'd shoot myself Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I'd shoot myself I have to admit I find you a bit of an enigma because I remember a few posts by you that all but spell it out that you and your wife are not sexually active but you are sexually active in someway beyond this condition with your wife. Do you and your wife have "an understanding" as it is sometimes put or are you just getting in where you can and not talking about anything you're not asked directly? Whatever it is, I know its none of my business and you can certainly not answer if you want. But the reason why I say you're an enigma to me is because of the hints? in your posts seem to conflict with the attitudes presented by you in this thread concerning the OP's wife cheating. http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t289548/ Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I have to admit I find you a bit of an enigma because I remember a few posts by you that all but spell it out that you and your wife are not sexually active but you are sexually active in someway beyond this condition with your wife. Do you and your wife have "an understanding" as it is sometimes put or are you just getting in where you can and not talking about anything you're not asked directly? Whatever it is, I know its none of my business and you can certainly not answer if you want. But the reason why I say you're an enigma to me is because of the hints? in your posts seem to conflict with the attitudes presented by you in this thread concerning the OP's wife cheating. http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t289548/ Sally... Not trying to be smug or rude but I feel like i've told my story enough times (or maybe it just seems that way)...anyways its out there, you'll find it. To the second part of your inquiry.... I think you (like everybody else just has me wrong). You are confused because I am not attacking the op right? Well lets think about this....this guy never once went on some delusional wild sweeping WS rant, never generalized, never insulted, never made himself out to be some sort of martyr, no frothing at the mouth like some...none of that. All he said is...this is what happened and this is how I feel about it No problem ....He asked for advice... I gave it...he asked questions... I answered them Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 . You are confused because I am not attacking the op right? ....He asked for advice... I gave it...he asked questions... I answered them No that isn't why. I grew confused because you pretty vehemently attacked his wife's character for cheating and advised him to leave the marriage rather than stay. Sorry I haven't read everything you've written on here. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Memphis Raines Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Perhaps some people wouldn't want to be like you either. no skin off my teeth. but they couldn't be me if they tried. excuses and justification aren't in my character. nor are gratifying myself at someone elses expense. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Memphis Raines Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 And you know Lizzie personally uh?? And you know that she tells tall tales? I don't know her, don't know if she speaks truth or not, but the point is........you don't know either. It's kinda simple really. we all know what she has admiited to this forum with regards to her AP's and money. and thats all I'll say about that. you get the picture. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Memphis Raines Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 No that isn't why. I grew confused because you pretty vehemently attacked his wife's character for cheating and advised him to leave the marriage rather than stay. exactly. and given that he is a cheater himself, it was kind of ridiculous to even attack the wife. pot, kettle, black. Link to post Share on other sites
StoneCold Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 No that isn't why. I grew confused because you pretty vehemently attacked his wife's character for cheating and advised him to leave the marriage rather than stay. Sorry I haven't read everything you've written on here. Well i dont think I really attacked her....i never insulted her.... I may have made some jokes at her expense. I do think her overall behaviour is odd...speding all kinds of cash flying to cuba and getting wrapped up with a guy that very likely is fleecing her...if she just had sex and be done with it then so be it. Its her naivety for a grown woman that unsettles me Also just because I have cheated doesnt mean i dont know when its time to exit. In Van's situation everything came to a head where there were no options.. Link to post Share on other sites
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