are all good looking women self-entitled?

[rafallus]

It sounds like you are the one who feels entitled to date women who are out of your league

 

No such thing.

[iris219]

 

But it does really bother me, conversely, when strangers want me to be randomly smiling everywhere I go. I'm a happy person, but I think that's pretty lame. The other night, I was not even scowling or unhappy or anything. . . just neutral face, kind of thinking about something as I walked, and a lame-o guy said, "You dropped your smile." That made me angry. It would've made me angry if he were cute (actually I didn't even catch what he looked like, really). Or if I were ugly. Why is anyone else worried about my face? I'm not bothering anyone with it.

 

Lame is right.

 

These sorts of comment are so intrusive and presumptuous. Who do you think you are to tell me I don’t look happy enough? Who the heck are you and why does my emotional state concern you?

 

Guys, please don’t do this anymore! It is not effective. What’s interesting is I can’t imagine a woman ever doing this to anyone. It’s also always guys who say things like, “Looks like he’s taking you for a walk, ha ha” when I’m walking my dog.

[OldSkool]

This is why all sales jobs should be commission based, and the customer should know that if they don't like one salesperson, they are free to ask for another.

 

That being said, if you are in a service industry job, i.e. foodservice, sales, hospitality or even customer service and you can't at least fake a smile, I don't want you serving me. I'm out trying to enjoy the fruit of my hard work, and I absolutely will not tolerate some miserable person trying to push their personal issues into my world.

[xxoo]

But it does really bother me, conversely, when strangers want me to be randomly smiling everywhere I go.

 

I know, right? That is entitlement--feeling entitled to tell women on the street how to feel and look

 

Another point....I do happen to smile a lot, even in public. And a lot of men have taken my smile to mean interest, when that is not the case (I'm married!).

[zengirl]

This is why all sales jobs should be commission based, and the customer should know that if they don't like one salesperson, they are free to ask for another.

 

That being said, if you are in a service industry job, i.e. foodservice, sales, hospitality or even customer service and you can't at least fake a smile, I don't want you serving me. I'm out trying to enjoy the fruit of my hard work, and I absolutely will not tolerate some miserable person trying to push their personal issues into my world.

 

Sure. I sold shoes in college, and I was always smiling when helping a customer. Unless said customer was harassing me or being creepy in some way (in which case, I'd try to give them away----I don't need to be creeped on for my commission; but assuming all the OP wanted were some shoes, she didn't need to be rude to him: I'm just not sure how she WAS rude since he didn't detail it), I was always smiling. It was part of my job.

 

But that's not the same as how girls' faces look on the street or anywhere else when they are not obligated to sell you something or assist you in any way by virtue of their employment. And has nothing to do with "Dating."

[Mme. Chaucer]

I agree that a person with a customer service job should, as a part of their job, have a positive and approachable demeanor, whether they are good looking, buttugly, a woman, a man, or somewhere in between any of those.

 

I HATE HATE HATE, though, the idea that a person who does not go around with a happy face all the time somehow "deserves" to have their privacy intruded upon by comments like "SMIIIIIIIIILE."

 

For all you know, that person (invariably made by a man to a woman; I'm sorry, but men don't go around telling serious looking fellows to "SMIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLE," nor do women tend to do it to nonsmiling persons of either gender) may have just received some bad news.

 

It's rude.

[ThsAmericanLife]

Unfortunately, alot of men confuse a woman being 'nice' with attraction or availability. Combine that with some men's general tendency to try to f*ck anything that walks... and petulant behavior if we women don't act syrupy sweet and doting like their mommy.

 

They are there to do a JOB. It's called being professional. Not cold or b*tchy. When we are at work, or just walking around minding our own business, we might just want to be left alone and not have every interaction with a man be some kind of hit.

 

Put yourself in their shoes... you will see why an attractive woman feels the need to put up walls.

[Easyguy14]

What was she doing that was so snotty? Just looking serious? While I give you that people should generally be a bit bubbly in customer service, I don't see that as snotty . . . maybe not really a good fit for a customer industry, but that's another story.

 

I'm a pretty girl, and I go around with a variety of faces: bitchface (if I want people to stay away), normal face (which probably looks serious), and approach-me-face (if I'm in the mood to socialize). I also have a variety of moods that affect my face in ways I'm not even counting there.

 

But it does really bother me, conversely, when strangers want me to be randomly smiling everywhere I go. I'm a happy person, but I think that's pretty lame. The other night, I was not even scowling or unhappy or anything. . . just neutral face, kind of thinking about something as I walked, and a lame-o guy said, "You dropped your smile." That made me angry. It would've made me angry if he were cute (actually I didn't even catch what he looked like, really). Or if I were ugly. Why is anyone else worried about my face? I'm not bothering anyone with it.

 

So perhaps you're just expecting too much of beautiful girls. Why should they be smiling and happy as they walk about the streets, especially in NYC where plenty of people go around not making eye contact with anyone and looking plenty cold and serious?

 

never said anything on walking around with a smiley face. Im just talking on showing some courtesy and being helpful and normal. not to act like they deserve preferential treatment just for being approached under any type of circumstance.

 

the salesgirl was snotty because she acted like she didnt care if I bought the shoes or not, no eye contact, which I know is the norm in the streets, but not when dealing with people talking to you. she was just arrogant as many I notice around in the customer service industry. this seems to be a trend amongst the younger females not so much the older.

 

from now on Im avoiding any woman that looks attractive or gives off the air of being such just to spare me the aggravation. I usually try to stick with dealing with men in customer service, but there's less of them.

[OldSkool]

But that's not the same as how girls' faces look on the street or anywhere else when they are not obligated to sell you something or assist you in any way by virtue of their employment. And has nothing to do with "Dating."

 

I agree that it has nothing to do with dating. I also know firsthand what the OP is talking about, it's this dismissive attitude of; 'I don't have to be helpful or polite because your puny purchase means jack squat to me' (I sold cars for a while and I'd see this a lot with the young first time buyers)

 

In this scenario, I can theorize that the woman is working in a (relatively busy) shoe store with a significant number of male customers. The woman is attractive and she gets approached by male customers all the time (There is a reason Pharmaceutical Reps and Female bankers are all very attractive). The woman is able to tell which customers have more "disposable income" or if they are "just looking" and is deliberately being rude to the OP in hopes that he will go away leaving herself available for another customer with a larger definitive purchase. I have been in the business world for over two decades and if you don't think the good looking women (and men) use it to their advantage, try the Financial Industry...

 

As far as on the street, sure anyone is free to have whatever expression they feel like having, and on the street other people are free to react to that expression in any way this is not in violation of their civil rights or protection afforded to them under the law.

 

People need to stop being so flipping sensitive all the time!!!!!

[OldSkool]

she was just arrogant as many I notice around in the customer service industry. this seems to be a trend amongst the younger females not so much the older.

 

from now on Im avoiding any woman that looks attractive or gives off the air of being such just to spare me the aggravation. I usually try to stick with dealing with men in customer service, but there's less of them.

 

No, you need to learn how to write a proper complaint letter to the executive management with full details including store number/location, date and time, person or persons whom you are complaining about and why.

 

People with these types of attitudes need to be dismissed from their jobs no matter how "attractive" they are, and the only way that will happen is if YOU the CUSTOMER complain loudly and at length.

[zengirl]

I agree that it has nothing to do with dating. I also know firsthand what the OP is talking about, it's this dismissive attitude of; 'I don't have to be helpful or polite because your puny purchase means jack squat to me' (I sold cars for a while and I'd see this a lot with the young first time buyers)

 

In this scenario, I can theorize that the woman is working in a (relatively busy) shoe store with a significant number of male customers. The woman is attractive and she gets approached by male customers all the time (There is a reason Pharmaceutical Reps and Female bankers are all very attractive). The woman is able to tell which customers have more "disposable income" or if they are "just looking" and is deliberately being rude to the OP in hopes that he will go away leaving herself available for another customer with a larger definitive purchase. I have been in the business world for over two decades and if you don't think the good looking women (and men) use it to their advantage, try the Financial Industry...

 

As far as on the street, sure anyone is free to have whatever expression they feel like having, and on the street other people are free to react to that expression in any way this is not in violation of their civil rights or protection afforded to them under the law.

 

People need to stop being so flipping sensitive all the time!!!!!

 

Eh, it's a shoe store. I worked on commission and made decent money in college, but that was back when people were buying shoes at department stores like crazy. And it was department store with a good commission rate. I think it could just be that she's making minimum wage at a shoe store and doesn't give jack squat about anyone's sales and has very little to do with her looks.

 

And I know a lot of cute girls in pharma sales. They act sweet as pie when selling whether they really are or not. But they make real money, not random shoe store girl money. Depends on what kind of shoe store it was, I guess though. And besides that, I've gotten poor service from all kinds of people -- ugly, pretty, male, female. Equating her prettiness to her rudeness is odd. If she was even rude. . . I kind of wonder if the OP is a creeper since he didn't utilize the boundaries of the site for where his complaint would go ("I couldn't buy shoes" = dating? huh?) so maybe he shows little courtesy to boundaries IRL too. Not a given, but certainly a possibility.

 

(And the poster MENTIONED girls on the street in his OP. Which is why I brought it up.)

[FitChick]

Pretending that this thread is about customer service it's easy enough to go online and write a bad review of a store.

 

Customer service in general sucks at most places. I don't have a problem being assertive. If you are ignored, try this: "You must be busy. Is there someone else who could help me?" No need to be rude.

[irc333]

It is funny you were going post about this because I was just having this conversation with some girlfriends. The girl who brought it up works at a bank, so she gets it often, and it’s one of her major pet peeves. She HATES it. We all agreed that this was one of the ultimate in annoying things a man can do.

For one, a bank teller should always have some kind of cheerful look on her face, because she's dealing with the public. If she gets this often from people, the common denominator is her.

 

 

 

Your dad walks up to people leaned over their laptops and interepts them with that comment?

No, but he has done it with people he's doing business transactions, like a bank teller or cashier. Since he's interacting with them, that's what he does.

 

He's lucky he's old! FTR, I let old men get away being annoying because, well, they’re old, and I’m very respectful to the elderly. And I expect old men to be a bit clueless. Younger men should know better.

Younger men should know better? There is nothing to know.

 

This is why men get sick of approaching women altogether and remaining single. Women like this don't make it easy. Thus, we wind up in a stalemate where women get sick of approaching women, and women remaining chronically single.

 

They just can't seem to go along with the conversion with a smile, but choose to dig their heels in with a chip on their shoulder.

 

There are much better ways to strike a conversation than this overly used tactic!

 

That's the problem with women, they expect some kind of originality in approaches. Everything has been pretty much used I suppose.

 

EVERYTHING is considered a "Line" to a single woman.

Edited August 1, 2011 by irc333

[OldSkool]

Eh, it's a shoe store. I worked on commission and made decent money in college, but that was back when people were buying shoes at department stores like crazy. And it was department store with a good commission rate. I think it could just be that she's making minimum wage at a shoe store and doesn't give jack squat about anyone's sales and has very little to do with her looks.

 

Considering that a pair of Bally loafers can run upwards of $800 and a pair of Eccos can top out around $400 the commissions could be substantial.

 

It could very well be that she is making minimum wage at the shoe store, however in this job market, who is more likely to be hired for a similar minimum wage, entry level service job? The unattractive or the attractive.

 

The arrogant uncaring attitude in customer service seems to be disproportionately distributed amongst the following demographics (1) People who are still financially dependent upon their parents, and (2) people who for some reason, know that there will always be members of the general public who will fall all over themselves to make sure they don't go without (and like it or not, extremely attractive women fall into the second group). Both groups who interestingly enough share the same attribute. They don't need the job that much.

 

Oh, I forgot one other group that has the same attitude....Congress!!

[OldSkool]

Pretending that this thread is about customer service it's easy enough to go online and write a bad review of a store

 

To me, this thread IS about customer service. Online reviews mean jack squat, just like you said, ANYONE can go online and write a review, even the business owner(s), a practice that has just recently been exposed.

 

The ONLY way to make sure that your complaint is properly heard is to go to the Executive management of the Parent organization of the retail establishment you are dissatisfied with. Google the term EECB (Executive Email Carpet Bomb).

[sally4sara]

There are absolutely some highly attractive people who never bothered to develop and courtesy or good character to match their appearance. Some are women and some are men.

 

But there is another side to this. How would you like it if every time you left your house, complete strangers acted as though you got up and got dress and left your place at a specific time just so they could look at you like meat and apprising your wardrobe choices for being too this or not enough that?

 

How would you like to be riding the train home after learning your ex kidnapped your kid out of school and took off across the country with him, trying your best to hold it together till you got home and some a$$hat condescends:

 

"awww baby with a face and body like yours can't nothing be so impossible"

 

Tell me, fellas when you see a man walking by with a distraught face do you think to say **** like this to him?

[OldSkool]

For one, a bank teller should always have some kind of cheerful look on her face, because she's dealing with the public. If she gets this often from people, the common denominator is her.

 

To that I would add that Anyone I hand my hard earned money to should absolutely have some type of cheerful look on their face.

[irc333]

To that I would add that Anyone I hand my hard earned money to should absolutely have some type of cheerful look on their face.

 

Absolutely agreed. It's pretty sad that the poster that's a friend of that bank teller is complaining about people who keep telling her to cheer up. Come on, she should at least fake it until she gets home. LOL

[LoveandSuch]

The higher the sales commission, the friendlier the service and at times is overkill and over the top friendliness, sad but true.

[ptp]

That's the problem with women, they expect some kind of originality in approaches. Everything has been pretty much used I suppose.

 

EVERYTHING is considered a "Line" to a single woman.

 

See this the problem: Women rarely if ever risk asking a guy out.

 

Women do not realize how much courage it takes to go up to a random stranger that one finds attractive, risk getting rejected, and try to ask her out.

 

Then on top of that guys have to generate a unique and interesting conversation that with someone we know absolutely nothing about?

 

How many women can actually do that?

[FitChick]

Women do not realize how much courage it takes to go up to a random stranger that one finds attractive, risk getting rejected, and try to ask her out.

 

Then on top of that guys have to generate a unique and interesting conversation that with someone we know absolutely nothing about?

 

Adversity builds character and women like men with character.

 

Don't scurry off in fear like a

[EasyHeart]

lets talk about yesterday when I went to the shoe store. I tried to get one of the people in there to help me. I tried to get this guy to help me but he was tied up with multiple customers and there was just one person at the register so I couldn't go to use her. I was left with just this young, attractive salesgirl on the floor and she was so stuck up. I politely told her its just a job and Im sure its not so bad to be looking so serious. I was just trying to not get into a confrontation with her by holding back.

This is a good example of why I only buy from gay men. I put on a tight pair of pants and unbutton an extra button on my shirt, and they fall all over me trying to give me great service.

 

You just have to learn how to work the system. . .

[irc333]

See this the problem: Women rarely if ever risk asking a guy out.

 

Women do not realize how much courage it takes to go up to a random stranger that one finds attractive, risk getting rejected, and try to ask her out.

 

Right, then you hear on threads like these, overheard conversations through friends, etc. that women area actually ANNOYED by this? Just reinforces a guy to think twice about even striking up more than just a "Hi, how are you" with a woman.

[serial muse]

never said anything on walking around with a smiley face. Im just talking on showing some courtesy and being helpful and normal. not to act like they deserve preferential treatment just for being approached under any type of circumstance.

 

the salesgirl was snotty because she acted like she didnt care if I bought the shoes or not, no eye contact, which I know is the norm in the streets, but not when dealing with people talking to you. she was just arrogant as many I notice around in the customer service industry. this seems to be a trend amongst the younger females not so much the older.

 

from now on Im avoiding any woman that looks attractive or gives off the air of being such just to spare me the aggravation. I usually try to stick with dealing with men in customer service, but there's less of them.

 

Perhaps you should...but maybe first you should just try treating female salespeople the exact way you'd treat male salespeople. In other words - businesslike. Trust me, they'll appreciate it. It's more respectful to treat someone in their place of business as a professional than as a subordinate.

 

I guarantee that if you tell a busy guy in customer service who's looking serious or harried to "smile" or that "it's just a job" he'll give you just as much b!tchface. Because it's annoying.

 

On second thought...try that first. And report back, please!

[OldSkool]

Adversity builds character and women like men with character.

 

Don't scurry off in fear like a

 

Men also like character in women, so how do I go about instilling that adversity so I can watch the character grow? /sarc