are all good looking women self-entitled?

[irc333]

Adversity builds character and women like men with character.

 

Don't scurry off in fear....

Ah, the typical "man-up" response/cop-out.

 

 

To note: I can't believe how fast the response rate is on this particular thread.....as I type these responses, 2 or 3 responses are getting through. LOL

[ptp]

 

Don't scurry off in fear like a

 

I have plenty of character and I am not sure what you are trying to imply with that line.

[OldSkool]

To note: I can't believe how fast the response rate is on this particular thread.....as I type these responses, 2 or 3 responses are getting through. LOL

 

It's because this thread covers two issues that kinda suck you in. 1. Poor customer service (which everyone hates) and 2. Stuck up people (which everyone hates).

[xxoo]

See this the problem: Women rarely if ever risk asking a guy out.

 

Women do not realize how much courage it takes to go up to a random stranger that one finds attractive, risk getting rejected, and try to ask her out.

 

Then on top of that guys have to generate a unique and interesting conversation that with someone we know absolutely nothing about?

 

How many women can actually do that?

 

Right, then you hear on threads like these, overheard conversations through friends, etc. that women area actually ANNOYED by this? Just reinforces a guy to think twice about even striking up more than just a "Hi, how are you" with a woman.

 

Women are more selective than men when considering a date (and with good reason, since dating carries more potential consequences for us).

 

Of course a guy has to make a good impression to stand out in a good way and get a date. We know it isn't easy, or else any guy could do it!

[irc333]

I have plenty of character and I am not sure what you are trying to imply with that line.

 

 

She's saying that as men, we should just "suck it up" and tolerate inappropriate behavior.

[xxoo]

She's saying that as men, we should just "suck it up" and tolerate inappropriate behavior.

 

I've known some very attractive people with poor behavior (both men and women).

 

The problem, imo, is that people DO tolerate their inappropriate behavior, because they are good looking. She may be a bitch, but she's hot, so she still gets pursued by a flock of drooling men.

 

If people would STOP fawning over hot girls with nasty attitudes, they'd probably learn to be a bit nicer.

[OldSkool]

She's saying that as men, we should just "suck it up" and tolerate inappropriate behavior.

 

More specifically, she is saying. 1) I like being approached by men because it gives me all the power to decide whether or not to reject him. 2) I don't want to actually put any risk, effort or feelings into pursuing someone, so I'll just wait for #1. 3) When the poor guy who has been rejected fourteen times in a row gets his 15th rejection from me, he should consider himself lucky because she "helped build his character" and that should be reward enough for his courage.

 

Did I miss anything?

[irc333]

More specifically, she is saying. 1) I like being approached by men because it gives me all the power to decide whether or not to reject him. 2) I don't want to actually put any risk, effort or feelings into pursuing someone, so I'll just wait for #1. 3) When the poor guy who has been rejected fourteen times in a row gets his 15th rejection from me, he should consider himself lucky because she "helped build his character" and that should be reward enough for his courage.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

 

LOL.....her idea of "building characters" is misdefined.

[sm1tten]

I don't think the salesgirl's looks have everything to do with her attitude. You can get poor service from a girl who got hit by the ugly truck. You can get poor service from men, as well. Maybe YOU don't, but I certainly have. The OP's response to her was guaranteed to get a negative or no response, in part because it was passive-aggressive. You should have spoken to a manager, plain and simple, instead of posting on an internet forum whining about how good looking women are just so mean. A place like this, you're bound to get a ton of sympathy, which is doubtless why you posted, but it doesn't change the fact that you, THE CUSTOMER, had all the power in this situation.

 

Since this thread isn't really about dating/men approaching women, though it has gone on that tangent, I'll refrain from comments on that.

[Easyguy14]

Perhaps you should...but maybe first you should just try treating female salespeople the exact way you'd treat male salespeople. In other words - businesslike. Trust me, they'll appreciate it. It's more respectful to treat someone in their place of business as a professional than as a subordinate.

 

I guarantee that if you tell a busy guy in customer service who's looking serious or harried to "smile" or that "it's just a job" he'll give you just as much b!tchface. Because it's annoying.

 

On second thought...try that first. And report back, please!

 

its clearly a gender divide in here with all the comments and remarks with the men obviously being the most helpful because of being in such similar shoes as me.

 

when I enter any business I treat and approach male or female as I would any other. I dont treat one better than the other. I dont hit on salesgirls either. I hardly even bother hitting on women at all with these kinds of attitudes Im seeing on loveshack that really disappoints me. these are the same types of women walking around new york: miserable & self-entitled.

 

I was out again today to get a few things at rite aid. and guess what? I avoided the young, snotty looking girl behind the register and went to the older more relaxed woman in her 50s or 60s. felt really good about getting better service this time around so I must be on to something.

[serial muse]

its clearly a gender divide in here with all the comments and remarks with the men obviously being the most helpful because of being in such similar shoes as me.

 

when I enter any business I treat and approach male or female as I would any other. I dont treat one better than the other. I dont hit on salesgirls either. I hardly even bother hitting on women at all with these kinds of attitudes Im seeing on loveshack that really disappoints me. these are the same types of women walking around new york: miserable & self-entitled.

 

I was out again today to get a few things at rite aid. and guess what? I avoided the young, snotty looking girl behind the register and went to the older more relaxed woman in her 50s or 60s. felt really good about getting better service this time around so I must be on to something.

 

So you're not even going to entertain the possibility that maybe you treated her differently, as a young attractive female? Or that you would never tell a man to be less serious because it's just a job??

 

Why not? Have you EVER told a male stranger such a thing, especially in a business capacity?

 

It's a shame that you think the only valuable info on here is from men. Maybe it's worth hearing when the women note that they don't enjoy hearing a stranger tell them something intrusive like how they ought to be looking. (I note that in your OP you NEVER said that she SAID anything to you that was bitchy. You said she looked unapproachable and serious, and you told her to lighten up. Sigh. That's what we're trying to tell you. Stop it, you wouldn't do that to a guy, and you wouldn't assume that he's looking unapproachable because he's stuck up about his good looks, either.)

 

The ugly (har har) truth is that it somehow seems perfectly normal and acceptable to many people to speak to an attractive woman - even one with whom you're supposed to have just a business relationship - in this way. It's really tiresome to have a stranger tell you that you should look more cheerful to please him. Bleh. Stop.

[Sweetheartt]

its clearly a gender divide in here with all the comments and remarks with the men obviously being the most helpful because of being in such similar shoes as me.

 

when I enter any business I treat and approach male or female as I would any other. I dont treat one better than the other. I dont hit on salesgirls either. I hardly even bother hitting on women at all with these kinds of attitudes Im seeing on loveshack that really disappoints me. these are the same types of women walking around new york: miserable & self-entitled.

 

I was out again today to get a few things at rite aid. and guess what? I avoided the young, snotty looking girl behind the register and went to the older more relaxed woman in her 50s or 60s. felt really good about getting better service this time around so I must be on to something.

 

Um...I dont think I like this thread. Its condescending because I have to deal with guys trying to hit on me pretty regularly & it sucks! Most of the guys look awful w/ pants dripping off them, yada yada. Im sure the OP makes it look like he's interested in these pretty girls when he approaches them in stores & they sense it so yes, they clam up. I would.

[serial muse]

its clearly a gender divide in here with all the comments and remarks with the men obviously being the most helpful because of being in such similar shoes as me.

 

when I enter any business I treat and approach male or female as I would any other. I dont treat one better than the other. I dont hit on salesgirls either. I hardly even bother hitting on women at all with these kinds of attitudes Im seeing on loveshack that really disappoints me. these are the same types of women walking around new york: miserable & self-entitled.

 

I was out again today to get a few things at rite aid. and guess what? I avoided the young, snotty looking girl behind the register and went to the older more relaxed woman in her 50s or 60s. felt really good about getting better service this time around so I must be on to something.

 

Never mind.

[ptp]

Women are more selective than men when considering a date (and with good reason, since dating carries more potential consequences for us).

 

Of course a guy has to make a good impression to stand out in a good way and get a date. We know it isn't easy, or else any guy could do it!

 

It shouldn't be easy but, it shouldn't be also THIS difficult considering there are more women on this planet than men.

 

Furthermore, I was just trying to explain why sometimes guys may say the wrong thing when talking to a lady.

 

Women always say a guy should be "confident" and "say something unique and interesting". Well that is freaking hard especially when you go up to a complete stranger who you know nothing about. How many women could pull that off?

 

Maybe women shouldn't be so quick to dismiss if a guy gets up the courage to come talk to a woman and isn't able to generate the most "interesting and unique" conversation.

[OldSkool]

Or that you would never tell a man to be less serious because it's just a job??

 

Why not? Have you EVER told a male stranger such a thing, especially in a business capacity?

 

I don't know about the OP, but if I am out trying to enjoy the money that I worked to earn and the service person in front of me has a bad attitude, or simply doesn't look like they are enthusiastic about even having a job, you can be sure I am going to say something to the clerk, or their manager. If I feel I have to approach a manager about the clerk's attitude, you can guarantee the comments are going to be much more sharp and pointy than if I felt that the clerk were approachable. I don't care if they are male, female or martian.

 

Furthermore, at my office if one of my staff has a bad attitude on a random day, I will tell them to go home until they can keep their negativity away from the rest of the productive workers on the team. I'm not going to let one person's self centered attitude ruin it for anyone else.

 

There are plenty of people out there who would be extremely happy to have ANY job. Give the work to those whom actually appreciate it.

[Woggle]

Most of my experiences with costumer service have been good with a few exceptions. I have worked with the public before so I am sympathetic to both men and women who have to deal with a lot of jerks.

 

The worst example of this though are the women who felt entitled to free stuff when I worked with the public. When I was a bartender I would have attractive women all the time try to flirt with me for free drinks then get mad when they had to pay like everybody else or get some sucker they were ignoring before to pay for it. I also used to run a side business hooking up electronics and systems in cars and so many women wanted free service because it was the gentlemanly thing to do. They had to pay like everybody else and they took it as an insult.

[ptp]

Most of my experiences with costumer service have been good with a few exceptions. I have worked with the public before so I am sympathetic to both men and women who have to deal with a lot of jerks.

 

The worst example of this though are the women who felt entitled to free stuff when I worked with the public. When I was a bartender I would have attractive women all the time try to flirt with me for free drinks then get mad when they had to pay like everybody else or get some sucker they were ignoring before to pay for it. I also used to run a side business hooking up electronics and systems in cars and so many women wanted free service because it was the gentlemanly thing to do. They had to pay like everybody else and they took it as an insult.

 

I couldn't agree anymore. I basically told a similar story back on the first page. Heck I have seen it happen with my own family, where my girl cousins will go out and expect free drinks/entry to club bars.

 

It is very annoying.

[OldSkool]

Um...I dont think I like this thread. Its condescending because I have to deal with guys trying to hit on me pretty regularly & it sucks! Most of the guys look awful w/ pants dripping off them, yada yada. Im sure the OP makes it look like he's interested in these pretty girls when he approaches them in stores & they sense it so yes, they clam up. I would.

 

Let me ask you a question. How much money does the female gender spend on products solely designed to enhance your appearance? Makeup, lingerie, clothing, breast augmentation, botox, collagen, hairdressers.... The list goes on and on. And then after you do as much as you can to make yourself "Physically attractive" you get upset when you receive the male attention that those products are designed to attract.

 

It's like something I once said in response to the question "Why do women wear revealing clothing and then get angry when men look?" It's because those women are advertising but only for those men who "meet their qualifications" unfortunately, automated, mind reading-self adjusting clothing will probably not be invented for another several centuries, so women will just have to deal with what fishermen have been doing for centuries; cast a wide net and toss all the undesirables back into the ocean. It's hard work... guess what, so is life!

 

I don't care what she thinks when I approach her in the store. I am the customer and I expect a certain level of friendly and attentive service.

 

Actually the place of employment is one of the safest places to be friendly to ALL people. If a male customer gets too pushy the management and store security will take the necessary steps to remove the offender and protect the employee. I have witnessed several managers/loss prevention personnel walking female employees to their cars after hours, and Law enforcement tends to respond to calls from a retail location much faster than a residential one. Sad but true.

[serial muse]

I don't know about the OP, but if I am out trying to enjoy the money that I worked to earn and the service person in front of me has a bad attitude, or simply doesn't look like they are enthusiastic about even having a job, you can be sure I am going to say something to the clerk, or their manager. If I feel I have to approach a manager about the clerk's attitude, you can guarantee the comments are going to be much more sharp and pointy than if I felt that the clerk were approachable. I don't care if they are male, female or martian.

 

Furthermore, at my office if one of my staff has a bad attitude on a random day, I will tell them to go home until they can keep their negativity away from the rest of the productive workers on the team. I'm not going to let one person's self centered attitude ruin it for anyone else.

 

There are plenty of people out there who would be extremely happy to have ANY job. Give the work to those whom actually appreciate it.

 

OK, well I don't have any problem with this at all. Treat 'em both the same when it comes to customer service. Tell the manager if they say rude stuff to you or whatever. I'm all in favor of that.

 

I really don't think that's what happened with the OP though. He wanted to flirt and she wasn't having it = she was "stuck up." he pretended he was complaining about customer service...but subsequent posts made it clear that wasn't strictly true and this really isn't so much about customer service as wanting a pretty girl to smile at him, specifically, and then condescendingly telling her to lighten up. Yeah. Not her job. So. Not buying what he's selling.

[AmEricanWomann]

It makes me laugh when men complain about beautiful and attractive women not giving them the time of day or not dating them, then they go on about what nice guys they are.

I'm a woman who has had the rare opportunity to experience life as a very conventionally unattractive woman and then a conventionally very attractive woman.

As I've posted before. I used to be extremely obese.

I don't know where all those nice guys were when I was fat. Speaking of bad customer service, boy did I know all about that. I had to become a bitch to get what I needed.

Then I lost several hundred lbs, grew my hair, dyed it blonde. My shape settled into a classic hour glass shape.

Men act so differently now. When I ask for the simplest thing, they go out of their way to help me. A few weeks ago I was food shopping and I asked a man there what was in the salad. A few years ago he would have given me a terse response and gone on his way.

But now..oh now...Way different scenario...He said he'd go into the back to ask the chef what was in it. I said I didn't want him to go to any trouble but he insisted.

That's just a little thing like I said, but there are so many incidents big and little that show me that the vast majority of nice guys are usually only nice when the woman is "hot."

 

Most women are aware of this difference in behavior, so that might be the reason some have an attitude.

[FitChick]

More specifically, she is saying. 1) I like being approached by men because it gives me all the power to decide whether or not to reject him. 2) I don't want to actually put any risk, effort or feelings into pursuing someone, so I'll just wait for #1. 3) When the poor guy who has been rejected fourteen times in a row gets his 15th rejection from me, he should consider himself lucky because she "helped build his character" and that should be reward enough for his courage.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

You missed everything. You should look at dating like actors look at auditions. Odds are you will be rejected and someone else will get the part but at least you will get plenty of practice auditioning, which is helpful. Over time, you will develop people skills to the point that you won't be as nervous or anxious and will come across as more confident and slightly indifferent, not needy, which is attractive.

[OldSkool]

You missed everything. You should look at dating like actors look at auditions. Odds are you will be rejected and someone else will get the part but at least you will get plenty of practice auditioning, which is helpful. Over time, you will develop people skills to the point that you won't be as nervous or anxious and will come across as more confident and slightly indifferent, not needy, which is attractive.

 

I respectfully disagree with your first premise, I missed nothing.

 

I agree with your second in as much as Practice leads to Experience which leads to Positive Results. However if women want men who have that experience then they will need to be approachable. This will inevitably lead to some unwanted attention from men who are clueless, but hey that is the price of admission to the dating game. I will tell you this however, men who are experienced in dating can identify a closed off attitude from a mile away and will not even begin to subject themselves to that headache.

 

Dating is a risk that runs TWO ways. Experienced men are not going to take all the risks and any woman who thinks that way will not be happy with their dating experiences.

 

You know the girl that always has a date, always has good guys around willing to help her out, has real platonic male friends that she trusts and who trust her? Do you know what defines that woman apart from the crowd?

 

In my experience it's because she is approachable, honest and genuinely friendly. She knows that she will receive unwanted attention from some men and she is ok with it because it is they way gender interactions have been naturally occurring for centuries and is not going to change any time soon. She is a lady and the men respond to such.

[irc333]

In my experience it's because she is approachable, honest and genuinely friendly. She knows that she will receive unwanted attention from some men and she is ok with it because it is they way gender interactions have been naturally occurring for centuries and is not going to change any time soon. She is a lady and the men respond to such.

Exactly, I know a recent lady friend that's like this...since her break up over a year ago, she's said she's had a lot of men in her social circle approaching her and asking her out.

 

She's told me this, and has no problem with it, because it is expected, and doesn't consider it "annoying" as some women, unfortunately, put it.

 

She accepts it as a fact of life.

[LoveandSuch]

Exactly, I know a recent lady friend that's like this...since her break up over a year ago, she's said she's had a lot of men in her social circle approaching her and asking her out.

 

She's told me this, and has no problem with it, because it is expected, and doesn't consider it "annoying" as some women, unfortunately, put it.

 

She accepts it as a fact of life.

 

Finally some sense in this entire thread. My mother has told me several times after witnessing the attention I receive from men and and after noticing my embarrassment, enjoy it while it lasts, because as you get older, it gets less and less.

It does become like common background noise, and natural, and once the heads stop turning and the Dang comments stop as you walk by, I think it will be difficult to adjust to.

[iris219]

For one, a bank teller should always have some kind of cheerful look on her face, because she's dealing with the public. If she gets this often from people, the common denominator is her.

 

No, but he has done it with people he's doing business transactions, like a bank teller or cashier. Since he's interacting with them, that's what he does.

 

Younger men should know better? There is nothing to know.

 

This is why men get sick of approaching women altogether and remaining single. Women like this don't make it easy. Thus, we wind up in a stalemate where women get sick of approaching women, and women remaining chronically single.

 

They just can't seem to go along with the conversion with a smile, but choose to dig their heels in with a chip on their shoulder.

 

That's the problem with women, they expect some kind of originality in approaches. Everything has been pretty much used I suppose.

 

EVERYTHING is considered a "Line" to a single woman.

 

I wouldn't say it's always a line, but it IS unwanted if the woman has given you no indication she wants to speak to you. Has she made eye contact? Has she smiled at you? If not, chances are she wants you to leave her alone. (We're talking about random women you see out.)

 

My friend is manager of the bank and doesn’t do a lot of customer service anymore. The incident she was referring to happen when she was on a computer working behind the counter. The man was being helped by a teller.

 

He yelled over “Hey! Darling!” over the counter, and then the dumb line about smiling. This apparently happens a lot, and I think this is rude.

 

So you're not even going to entertain the possibility that maybe you treated her differently, as a young attractive female? Or that you would never tell a man to be less serious because it's just a job??

 

Why not? Have you EVER told a male stranger such a thing, especially in a business capacity?

 

It's a shame that you think the only valuable info on here is from men. Maybe it's worth hearing when the women note that they don't enjoy hearing a stranger tell them something intrusive like how they ought to be looking. (I note that in your OP you NEVER said that she SAID anything to you that was bitchy. You said she looked unapproachable and serious, and you told her to lighten up. Sigh. That's what we're trying to tell you. Stop it, you wouldn't do that to a guy, and you wouldn't assume that he's looking unapproachable because he's stuck up about his good looks, either.)

 

The ugly (har har) truth is that it somehow seems perfectly normal and acceptable to many people to speak to an attractive woman - even one with whom you're supposed to have just a business relationship - in this way. It's really tiresome to have a stranger tell you that you should look more cheerful to please him. Bleh. Stop.

 

Exactly. Well said, and you're right about guys not doing this to other men, though I would love to see that .