are all good looking women self-entitled?

[Ruby Slippers]

I am all for being less rigid for both guys and girls take a chance at making a connection. I believe you made a thread regarding what to do about a guy who you emailed but didn't give you the best response. You probably don't remember but, I was the only one in that thread telling you to give the relationship a chance.

 

Look I am not saying you should date someone you find unattractive or you should date a guy who comes up to you and is a compete bumbling idiot. What I am saying is both guys and girls should be more flexible when it comes to relationships and shouldn't be so quick to dismiss people.

 

The way I see it, we are on this earth for a short period of time so why not take chances with people, you never know what you may find.

Aww, your post made me smile.

 

I did finally e-mail that very cute guy. He did not write back, but a few days later when I was on the site, he messaged me through the chat program. First, he complimented the song of mine I had sent him. But after that nice introduction, he was a total jerk. He immediately started talking about sex, and when I said I wasn't interested, he got really rude. I told him there was no need to be a d*ck and ignored him. What a loser!

 

But back to the topic...

 

I agree with you completely that people should not be so dismissive -- and this goes for both men and women. I really don't think I am, but some of my friends are ridiculous. They will stop seeing guys or never get past the first date for some of the stupidest, most superficial reasons. It makes no sense to me, because these women seem otherwise very intelligent and thoughtful.

[Ruby Slippers]

One nuance I've seen in my life experiences with universally attractive people (these are people who turn the heads of both genders wherever they go) is that they are accustomed to getting what they want; as other LS'ers have suggested, they have it 'easier' in society in many ways. I don't see anything wrong with that. We, as 'normal' society members choose to teach them how to treat us and give them what they want. We decide. Topically, you make that choice when you fall all over yourself when a beautiful woman enters the room and you can't wait to go hit on her. You decide that. You and every other man who services her ego teaches her how to treat you.

Well said, carhill!

 

I have talked a bit here about how I am experimenting with my bitchy side. For my entire life up until very recently, I've been a positive, sweet-hearted, loving person. In some ways, "the nice girl". I don't take crap from anybody -- at all -- but I do give people the benefit of the doubt, see the good in everyone, and believe in people's potential. And I work very hard not to dump my emotional reactions on other people and manipulate them, but to be strong and be in charge of my own emotional well-being.

 

But what I am worried about lately is that it seems that people really are rewarded for being selfish and manipulative.

 

My initial tests have absolutely astonished me. Essentially, when I behave in a more selfish, bitchy way, most people reward me with more attention and better service. They soften their language and start apologizing. They look at me with curiosity and what appears to be admiration! Are people really so easily manipulated and weak?

 

It seems to me that the friends of mine in relationships who are the most bitchy and manipulative are rewarded the most -- with loyalty, acts of service, good treatment from their partners. This is what first got me thinking about all this.

 

So I feel like I'm at a point where I understand that this is the way it is, but I am struggling with it ethically. I feel like if I don't play the game, I'll suffer. But if I do, then I'm going to "the dark side".

 

Not sure how much this relates to the topic, but your post brought it out.

[Easyguy14]

Wow! What arrogance. What makes you think that 'smart men' would want to impregnate someone like you? Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? Do you really think a "Smart Man" would want to reproduce with you? FAIL

 

she's practically vicious but that's okay, to each their own. I really have no idea why some people keep claiming that because the salesgirl and the other ones similar to her acted self-entitled is my fault in falling over them or something. this just makes no sense. I asked for help with shoes not a date or any sort of personal conversation in getting to know them.

 

I opened up this thread to make a point about certain attitudes Im getting in the service business that looks to be mostly coming from good looking women as opposed to the average ones. this is an obvious trend here and yes maybe some people are faulty for fawning on them to cause this but certainly not me. I dont care about their looks. I just want service to be equal across all fields.

[Ruby Slippers]

she's practically vicious but that's okay, to each their own. I really have no idea why some people keep claiming that because the salesgirl and the other ones similar to her acted self-entitled is my fault in falling over them or something. this just makes no sense. I asked for help with shoes not a date or any sort of personal conversation in getting to know them.

I totally know what you're talking about. My gym is in a very yuppie Chicago neighborhood full of these princesses. It's a really nice health club where a lot of people are wearing designer fitness clothes and so on.

 

Some of those women in the locker room will look at you like you're a bug just for walking near them. They'll stand in the middle of the aisle for no reason and scowl at you if you say "excuse me".

 

I have noticed that if you don't look at them at all, they will just stare at you -- like they can't believe someone walked by without looking at their gorgeous glo-tanned face.

[Ruby Slippers]

MEN, how would YOU like it if a woman came up to you and said "SMILE"?

 

It's a very patronizing thing to do. How would you feel if a woman said that to you?

 

If I don't know you, don't tell me the F to smile,, who are you to tell me what to do? And how is it your business whether I smile or not? It has nothing to do with being "hot" or not; if you don't know me, you have NO FREAKIN BUSINESS telling me what kind of disposition I should be having. No one is obligated to smile at you. The world does not owe you smiles and kindness.

 

And men, answer the question, how would YOU like it some random woman told you to smile because you happen to not be smiling?

 

What kind of patronizing nonsense is that?

I agree that this is extremely annoying.

 

Essentially, the guy is begging you to flirt with him / make a face like you're flirting with him. And I am not some strange man's paper doll.

[Easyguy14]

I totally know what you're talking about. My gym is in a very yuppie Chicago neighborhood full of these princesses. It's a really nice health club where a lot of people are wearing designer fitness clothes and so on.

 

Some of those women in the locker room will look at you like you're a bug just for walking near them. They'll stand in the middle of the aisle for no reason and scowl at you if you say "excuse me".

 

I have noticed that if you don't look at them at all, they will just stare at you -- like they can't believe someone walked by without looking at their gorgeous glo-tanned face.

 

just push the ignore button with these types. there are plenty of them in new york but more in certain parts, not all of the city area. when Im out I ignore the hot and fabulous looking women all the time. it gets them to do what you just said: stop and stare and wonder why you aren't admiring them or whatever.

 

people are gonna debate you no matter what. I dont mind the differences of opinions, to each their own. its when people mindlessly argue facts and what is painstakingly obvious to everyone with eyes is what annoys me.

[carhill]

MEN, how would YOU like it if a woman came up to you and said "SMILE"?

 

I'd say 'honey, let me put in my teeth first'

[Ruby Slippers]

people are gonna debate you no matter what. I dont mind the differences of opinions, to each their own. its when people mindlessly argue facts and what is painstakingly obvious to everyone with eyes is what annoys me.

Fair warning: you'll see a lot of bitter meanderings and dark thinking on this forum, I think because it's a "safe place" for people to be painfully honest. I admit, I indulge in it sometimes, though I try to stay more positive.

 

But there are some really smart and helpful people here, so I think that makes it well worth it.

[counterman]

Not all good looking girls act self-entitled. I have been across some of the most pleasant and friendliest girls who happen to be very physically beautiful. I have also met some hot girls who are obnoxious and really nasty; I don't bother with them.

[delilah123]

So you're not even going to entertain the possibility that maybe you treated her differently, as a young attractive female? Or that you would never tell a man to be less serious because it's just a job??

 

Why not? Have you EVER told a male stranger such a thing, especially in a business capacity?

 

It's a shame that you think the only valuable info on here is from men. Maybe it's worth hearing when the women note that they don't enjoy hearing a stranger tell them something intrusive like how they ought to be looking. (I note that in your OP you NEVER said that she SAID anything to you that was bitchy. You said she looked unapproachable and serious, and you told her to lighten up. Sigh. That's what we're trying to tell you. Stop it, you wouldn't do that to a guy, and you wouldn't assume that he's looking unapproachable because he's stuck up about his good looks, either.)

 

The ugly (har har) truth is that it somehow seems perfectly normal and acceptable to many people to speak to an attractive woman - even one with whom you're supposed to have just a business relationship - in this way. It's really tiresome to have a stranger tell you that you should look more cheerful to please him. Bleh. Stop.

 

This so true.

 

Also... I worked in customer service for many years. If a guy asked for my phone number, asked me how my day was going, said "hey you're looking stressed, busy day?" I'd be polite, friendly (and depending how attractive I found him, might give him my number at the end of the convo )butttt

 

if a guy said "Stop being so serious! Smile!" I'd be ****ing annoyed. It sounds SO condecending. Don't walk into my workplace and tell me how to do my job or how to hold my face. WTF my grandmother could've died 2 hours ago for all you know. Jesus that would piss me off if someone said that.

 

I've never had the problem within a workplace since I enjoy customer service so am usually v friendly, but a male friend of mine once said it to me when I was LIVING with him... jesus I was at home, cooking dinner and apprently not looking cheerful enough.. he is no longer my friend, but that was a typical comment that he would make to sales people as well. LIke he knows how everyone should look. Ew that line annoys me. I can guarentee you he never ever said it to a male either... in fact he actually said it to one chick when he was out.. and he was, get this, SHOCKED, that she didn't give him her number, like duh.

 

On the good looking note -

 

I am reasonably attractive, I'm not stunning or anything like that but I get plenty of male attention.. although I've always been told I'm very approachable. I've got good manners and I will not be rude if i'm simply not interested, If I've got a partner and the guy leaves his number before I get a chance to say anything, then I still msg to let him know, rather than leave him hanging. HOWEVER if someone is obnoxious to me (and therefore, no matter how good looking before they opened their mouth, they will be ugly to me now) and grabs at me to get my attention, says something condescending like "Hey sweety, why don't you smile more" or wolf whistles or calls something out as I walk past, then yeah I am going to put my 'bitch face don't bother me' on. It's annoying and it's rude, so no you won't get politeness from me.

 

Maybe if you are getting this bitch face from so many girls you may need to look at how you are carrying yourself. You may be coming across like you are interested or if you are saying many other condescending lines to people who are having bad days already you may just be pissing already upset people off.

 

One last thing! This male friend of mine always used tot hink that when he told someone to smile or called them out on their bitch face that girls sat up and when Oh wow that guy just called me out, he must be a cool guy. Erm no, we think you are rude.

Edited August 2, 2011 by delilah123

[Woggle]

I totally know what you're talking about. My gym is in a very yuppie Chicago neighborhood full of these princesses. It's a really nice health club where a lot of people are wearing designer fitness clothes and so on.

 

Some of those women in the locker room will look at you like you're a bug just for walking near them. They'll stand in the middle of the aisle for no reason and scowl at you if you say "excuse me".

 

I have noticed that if you don't look at them at all, they will just stare at you -- like they can't believe someone walked by without looking at their gorgeous glo-tanned face.

 

This is why as much as people make fun of the guidos and guidettes many of them are actually nice and down to earth people. I can't stand dealing with entitled snobs of either gender.

[OldSkool]

MEN, how would YOU like it if a woman came up to you and said "SMILE"?

 

It's a very patronizing thing to do. How would you feel if a woman said that to you?

 

If I don't know you, don't tell me the F to smile,, who are you to tell me what to do? And how is it your business whether I smile or not? It has nothing to do with being "hot" or not; if you don't know me, you have NO FREAKIN BUSINESS telling me what kind of disposition I should be having. No one is obligated to smile at you. The world does not owe you smiles and kindness.

 

And men, answer the question, how would YOU like it some random woman told you to smile because you happen to not be smiling?

 

What kind of patronizing nonsense is that?

 

Read the full thread!

 

If you are a service industry employee and you serve me with a bad attitude and/or ann unfriendly expression I will definitely tell you or your manager to change your attitude.It is my right as a customer to enjoy my consumer experience. I don't care how'hot' you think you are. You have a job to do and I expect you to do it with a positive attitude.

[zengirl]

Before the OP made his condescending, rude remark, though he doesn't really list what the salesgirl did wrong, except perhaps not smiling. While I was always bubbly when I sold shoes, I don't think anything beyond politeness is really a must---I was bubbly because I had the highest sales in the department and was a college student making $500-600 dollars a week less than full time. And because, for the most part, I worked in the women's shoe department where I didn't have to worry about giving off "wrong" signals. I was actually probably a bit toned down with men, though still polite and customer-service oriented.

 

Later, I went into advertising, and while I'm sure being a pretty gal helped me, it was also way more stressful than being a male account manager. One of the reasons I got out of advertising and went into education --- not the main reason but a big stress taken off my shoulders --- was that I no longer have to walk that stupid tightline of being nice but somehow shutting down sexual harassment with male clients and colleagues. Now I work with K-12 kids in a professional environment. So much better.

 

OK, well I don't have any problem with this at all. Treat 'em both the same when it comes to customer service. Tell the manager if they say rude stuff to you or whatever. I'm all in favor of that.

 

I really don't think that's what happened with the OP though. He wanted to flirt and she wasn't having it = she was "stuck up." he pretended he was complaining about customer service...but subsequent posts made it clear that wasn't strictly true and this really isn't so much about customer service as wanting a pretty girl to smile at him, specifically, and then condescendingly telling her to lighten up. Yeah. Not her job. So. Not buying what he's selling.

 

That's what I suspect too. Especially since he posted it in the DATING section.

 

I don't know if this is a gender thing or not, but I don't necessarily equate good customer service with friendly customer service.

 

I actually don’t prefer friendly customer service. I don't prefer rude either, but efficient, no-nonsense customer service. You can be respectful and good at your job without being overtly friendly. I also prefer to be left alone in retail stores; I don't like feeling pressured.

 

I actually prefer this as well, but when I was in retail commission, I tended to try to feel out the customer. Different people (even among women or among men) prefer different things.

 

I still think the OP in this case wanted a pretty girl fawning all over him.

[OldSkool]

if a guy said "Stop being so serious! Smile!" I'd be ****ing annoyed. It sounds SO condecending. Don't walk into my workplace and tell me how to do my job or how to hold my face. WTF my grandmother could've died 2 hours ago for all you know. Jesus that would piss me off if someone said this

 

If you can not leave your personal problems at home, then don't come to work. Better yet give your job to someone who can discharge their duties with a positive attitude.

 

I am sick and tired of employees who think that their personal issues are so important.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Wow! What arrogance. What makes you think that 'smart men' would want to impregnate someone like you? Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? Do you really think a "Smart Man" would want to reproduce with you? FAIL

 

As long as said "smart man" chose to contribute his sperm to a sperm bank, any woman who wanted to could reproduce "with" him.

 

Dlish's post was in response to a rude, sexist post.

[thatone]

This is like saying maybe men shouldn't be so quick to dismiss women who aren't as pretty/thin/attention-grabbing/whatever. Very few people are going to go for this argument.

 

i struck up conversation with a woman about 50 pounds overweight wearing a wedding ring in macy's just a couple of weeks ago as i was paying for my socks and t shirts.

 

it's not always about getting a phone number.

 

MEN, how would YOU like it if a woman came up to you and said "SMILE"?

 

It's a very patronizing thing to do. How would you feel if a woman said that to you?

 

If I don't know you, don't tell me the F to smile,, who are you to tell me what to do? And how is it your business whether I smile or not? It has nothing to do with being "hot" or not; if you don't know me, you have NO FREAKIN BUSINESS telling me what kind of disposition I should be having. No one is obligated to smile at you. The world does not owe you smiles and kindness.

 

And men, answer the question, how would YOU like it some random woman told you to smile because you happen to not be smiling?

 

What kind of patronizing nonsense is that?

 

it's a challenge. when someone says something to you in public they are expecting a response. a good response that gets a laugh continues the conversation. a lame response doesn't. it doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman talking to a man or another woman.

 

get help. your parents have probably told you that before, they were right.

Edited August 2, 2011 by thatone

[cutily]

Hahaha you made me laugh!!!

 

I think I can be honest and say that people find me good looking. And I act just the way you describe it. Why?

 

That's to be ultra selective! If you only you knew how many a**holes are hitting on us everyday, the worst part is that, only those guys have the gust to talk to us, so when a guy is talking to us we know that there is 95% of probability that it's an a**!

 

I know I only smile to old people, kids and girls, and when there are guys, I look elswhere and ignore them. It's just protection!!!

[zengirl]

it's a challenge. when someone says something to you in public they are expecting a response. a good response that gets a laugh continues the conversation. a lame response doesn't. it doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman talking to a man or another woman.

 

It IS a challenge. It's totally a challenge. And that's why it's lame. You don't make friends by going up to random people and challenging them in such a manner. It's counter intuitive to trying to build real rapport. At best, it's a cheap trick, attempting to provoke a response---any response. Lame.

 

If someone wants to speak to me, I'm fine with that. I talk to strangers ALL the time. But I won't talk to anyone who tries to begin a conversation like this (luckily I'm not in the customer service industry, having to put up with it now) because it's intrusive, rude, and fake. And it's starting a conversation out with what is essentially a veiled insult or attack---you're pointing out something you find "objectionable" (fake objectionable, really) in a person, hoping to solicit a response, and that they feel appropriately shamed into smiling at you and having a conversation. Gross.

 

I talk to guys all the time who come up to me and start a normal conversation. They say something they think, they ask a question, they introduce themselves (I still think, "Hi, I'm ____" is a fine way to approach someone in an appropriate venue), whatever. But if he starts a conversation with a gimmick, no way am I talking to that guy. (The other really awful thing to start a conversation with is any kind of pet name. If you call me "sweetie" or "hon" or something, consider yourself lucky all you got was a glare. Gross.)

 

Of course, if I were sobbing or something, I wouldn't necessarily mind if someone said, "Are you okay?" and sincerely meant it. (It probably wouldn't lead to a conversation. . . because of the sobbing . . . but I'd think the person was mostly just nice.) Though it it was in hopes of starting a romantic conversation, it'd be creepy. But I do that to people on the street who look genuinely hurt or confused or whatever----if I look like I am lost, I'm always happy to have someone offer help. That's cool. But the kind of "Where's your smile?" bull**** comments aren't genuine compassion or interest in another person's plight. They're tricks.

Edited August 2, 2011 by zengirl

[KathyM]

Funny, I was JUST about to reply with the, "SMILE...." thing, some men do it as an icebreaker believe it or not, and of course women who are annoyed by this, well, are people that you would probably not want to associate with, much less be friends with. This is a person with a negative attitude.

 

Actually, my dad does this a lot, of course he doesn't give a rats ass that it pisses them off, in fact, if he does get the vibe it does irritate the person, he continues to "kill them with kindness".

 

He tends to go on about how people have these perpetual "sour pusses" on their faces, and will deliberately do the, "Smiiille" thing or something similar with them.

 

I tend to agree and have been known to do the "Smiile, it can't be that bad" thing as well. Women who have a problem with this, well, that says a lot about them.

 

Some men, over time, know this irritates SOME women, and can use this as a test of her response, and can determine if it's a deal breaker or not.

I get a little disgusted by men who order me to smile if I have a less than happy expression on my face. They have no idea what's on my mind or what I'm going through at the moment. It's an invasion of privacy. I wouldn't be mean to someone that said that, and usually respond by smiling, but it gets a little annoying, because the times they've said it were bad times for me. One guy at McDonalds told me to smile (he didn't realize I had just had a big dispute with my husband and was in no mood). One guy told me to smile when I was on my way to my dear aunt's death bed, and had just finished a cry about it. One guy told me to smile when I was deep in thought about all the school assignments I had to deal with. It's insensitive to expect a woman to not be allowed to have a less than happy emotion on her face. For all the OP knows, the woman could have been having a really bad day and been chewed out by the manager or customers or what have you, and did not appreciate being ordered to smile, and that is why she recoiled and appeared snobbish. I wish people would stop ordering others to smile. It's only men that do that to women. They don't know what the woman is going through.

[thatone]

It IS a challenge. It's totally a challenge. And that's why it's lame. You don't make friends by going up to random people and challenging them in such a manner. It's counter intuitive to trying to build real rapport. At best, it's a cheap trick, attempting to provoke a response---any response. Lame.

 

If someone wants to speak to me, I'm fine with that. I talk to strangers ALL the time. But I won't talk to anyone who tries to begin a conversation like this (luckily I'm not in the customer service industry, having to put up with it now) because it's intrusive, rude, and fake. And it's starting a conversation out with what is essentially a veiled insult or attack---you're pointing out something you find "objectionable" (fake objectionable, really) in a person, hoping to solicit a response, and that they feel appropriately shamed into smiling at you and having a conversation. Gross.

 

I talk to guys all the time who come up to me and start a normal conversation. They say something they think, they ask a question, they introduce themselves (I still think, "Hi, I'm ____" is a fine way to approach someone in an appropriate venue), whatever. But if he starts a conversation with a gimmick, no way am I talking to that guy. (The other really awful thing to start a conversation with is any kind of pet name. If you call me "sweetie" or "hon" or something, consider yourself lucky all you got was a glare. Gross.)

 

Of course, if I were sobbing or something, I wouldn't necessarily mind if someone said, "Are you okay?" and sincerely meant it. (It probably wouldn't lead to a conversation. . . because of the sobbing . . . but I'd think the person was mostly just nice.) Though it it was in hopes of starting a romantic conversation, it'd be creepy. But I do that to people on the street who look genuinely hurt or confused or whatever----if I look like I am lost, I'm always happy to have someone offer help. That's cool. But the kind of "Where's your smile?" bull**** comments aren't genuine compassion or interest in another person's plight. They're tricks.

 

but that's the thing, you're assuming everyone has the same personality as you. they don't.

 

i like sarcastic people who kind of toe a line between being funny and malicious. they're fun to talk to (men or women, doesn't matter). if they accidentally step over that line and say something offensive, i don't stick my nose up and walk away from them, i take advantage of their little moment of doubt and turn the conversation in my favor. then they pick up on that and fire back at me. it's a game, it doesn't mean anything.

 

i like people like that, and yes i make friends of people like that by starting conversation like that.

 

you don't see me on here berating people for their personality. beliefs? actions? prejudices? sure, all of those things have consequences. but personality is personality, there are different ones, no personality is right or wrong compared to another.

 

just because YOU don't have the same type of personality as the person who says such things doesn't mean that the world is going to stop spinning and consider how it can make itself the place that YOU want to live in. that brings us back to the "entitlement" point. you seem to think you're entitled to have people you meet share your personality. you aren't, and they won't no matter how much you complain about it.

Edited August 2, 2011 by thatone

[ScreamingTrees]

That's why online dating is so good. You can learn about someone before you meet them so when you do meet, you are less likely to be rejected because you have become friends. Men don't seem to have the patience.

 

And then when that doesn't work because you've sent out dozens of personalized, thoughtful emails that get lost in the girl's inbox full of a few hundred messages for that week, someone'll tell that person to just go out in the real world where the girls aren't social rejects or flakes or have something fundamentally wrong with them where they can afford NOT to go online to date, or so says the advice giver.

 

You just.. can't win, can you? lol

[ScreamingTrees]

And men, answer the question, how would YOU like it some random woman told you to smile because you happen to not be smiling?

 

What kind of patronizing nonsense is that?

 

As long as you're not the employee in some store that I've come to for help because I can't find what I want or WHATEVER, then that's perfectly reasonable.

 

But if you're in a job where you have to deal with people in general, leave your aggressive, short tempered attitude at the door, princess, if you want to keep the job. THAT would annoy the hell out of me, male or female.

 

This is all based on OP's post, which is what the original idea started from, not necessarily guys asking random girls that they don't know to smile, that'd be pretty idiotic and I can totally understand how annoying that may be.

 

But even then, don't blame yourself when you're giving off a negative vibe to everyone around you all of the time because of something that has nothing to do with them. Eventually they'll all avoid you.

 

I also don't think most women are self-entitled. I think there are as many humble women as there are self entitled women, regardless of how good looking one perceives them to be. Lots of women that guys I know drool over wouldn't get a second glance from me because I'm simply not into them. Everyone's different.

Edited August 2, 2011 by ScreamingTrees

[Mme. Chaucer]

Well, I've already said that I think it's rude and intrusive when a person says "smile," and also noted that it's almost always something a man does to a woman - women would rarely do it to one another OR to a man, or would a man do it to another man. So, IMO, it's loserly.

 

BUT - social living is a jungle. If you're a man who feels that it's fine, or that you even somehow have a "right" to tell frowning, blank or bitchfaced women to "smile," whether she is working at her job or at large, go right ahead. Just be prepared for the negative reaction of the woman. I've read this whole thread, and I'm not going back over it but I don't recall ANY woman saying that being told "smile" ever has gone over well.

 

If she dislikes it - and somehow communicates this to you - it does not indicate that she is "self-entitled," even if she is "good looking."

[zengirl]

but that's the thing, you're assuming everyone has the same personality as you. they don't.

 

I never assumed such a thing.

 

i like sarcastic people who kind of toe a line between being funny and malicious.

 

Well, I wouldn't describe the behavior we're talking about as funny or malicious or sarcastic, though I don't like anyone who is ever malicious, certainly not towards anyone they're attempting to get to know (that sounds like crazy and unproductive behavior). I would find the behavior we're discussing as immature, aggressive and insecure. The person has nothing to say, so they attempt to provoke a response through insulting mildly.

 

I actually dig some sarcastic wit, personally, but there's nothing witty about the remark we're discussing. Nor is it helpful to approach a stranger with sarcasm in most cases. Sarcasm overused is often a defense mechanism.

 

they're fun to talk to (men or women, doesn't matter). if they accidentally step over that line and say something offensive, i don't stick my nose up and walk away from them, i take advantage of their little moment of doubt and turn the conversation in my favor. then they pick up on that and fire back at me. it's a game, it doesn't mean anything.

 

Okay, fair enough. But understand that adversarial dynamics are not going to win many people over. AND don't be surprised if you do something adversarial and someone walks away---that's the normal human reaction to an adversarial stranger. If you're actively looking for outliers. . . then, okay. Go for it.

 

You can go up to people with an adversarial attitude if you like, sure. I'm not suggesting we throw people in jail for it, but it's an attitude of entitlement to think that just because I'm pretty I should talk to you when you're being a jerk. And if I don't like you or the way you approached me (because it's an outlier to natural socialization and adversarial in nature), then I have every right to ignore you. I would never ignore anyone who approached me in a polite fashion, but I consider that approach impolite.

[OldSkool]

It's interesting to see how this thread has progressed (or regressed depending on your pov)

 

The OP was a customer at a business establishment that was given poor customer service by a female he perceived as very attractive. The OP very clearly pointed out that the rest of the store personnel was unavailable and this girl was the only unoccupied employee in the store (which makes me wonder why she was the only one not busy...)

 

The question as I see it is; do attractive women get away with more crap?

 

Let's look at Casey Anthony? How about those young attractive teachers who had sex with their underage students? They get a slap on the wrist while a male teacher in the same situation gets the max.

 

The female responses here have been the most amusing, ranging from the automatic assumption that the OP must have been trying to flirt with the clerk, to telling the OP to find a "plain girl", to assuming that the OP has an hidden agenda by posting in the "dating" section, which btw just happens to be the forum with the most posts, the highest frequency of responses and the most members online at any given time. Doesn't anyone use their brain anymore?

 

And the angry comments that people shouldn't tell you to cheer up. Ever heard of freedom of speech? You don't like what you hear, don't listen or walk away.

 

Quite frankly, even if the OP did approach the "attractive" clerk with a flirty attitude, so what? He is a customer looking to make a purchase and responding to a girl who makes an effort to look attractive in a way that is the nature of men. We are men, if you put it out there, we will look. If you as women don't like the attention then wrap yourself in a burkha or stay indoors otherwise you are going to get attention (some of it unwanted) from men, it's how the world works and how the human race has procreated for millenniums.

 

Modern men have been turned into a bunch of spineless wimps in the name of "feminism" and "political correctness", and then we hear this hue and cry about "where are all the real men". This thread is an excellent example of what has happened to the "real men".