Do people who commit suicide go to heaven?

[autumnlover]

...because i want to know if i were to kill myself....would i go to heaven?? Some say no and some say yes but i want to know if there are any scriptures in the Bible that says anything about it.

 

Thanks

[midori]

Hi autumnlover,

 

I think that a person who is contemplating suicide should be talking to a real, live person. Or a phone call is a good place to start if there isn't someone nearby that you can talk to. There is absolutely no shame in it whatsoever, please make sure you seek the help you need in answering your questions. You can follow this link to find the number to call for your area: http://suicidehotlines.com/

 

There are never bad questions. It's much better to ask and have a discussion so that you can reach a better understanding. If you have a pastor, or a priest, or a rabbi, or some kind of spiritual counselor, they would be very happy to answer your question. They would definitely not think worse of you for asking it. If you don't have a spiritual counselor or affiliation with a religion, go to any church or synogogue or temple or mosque and ask to speak to someone. They would be very very happy to talk to you -- even if you have no intention of ever joining their religious group. Even if you're not sure that you believe in God, or an afterlife. You don't have to pay them anything. Anyone would be very happy to talk to you ... and very distressed if they learned that you were nearby and had a question that they could help you with but you didn't think you could ask it.

 

And keep posting here. I'm not trying to dissuade you from brining up your question here (although you shouldn't rely on an internet discussion forum for answers to big questions like this!). I'm concerned about your question and your reasons for asking it, and that is why I urge you to seek immediate help, from someone you can talk to -- if not face to face, then at least over the phone. Call someone tonight, before you go to sleep.

 

Let us know how you're doing.

 

Best wishes,

midori

[Tony T]

This is a good question. There's a website that addresses it somewhat here: http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/Suicide.html

 

I see nothing in your post that indicates you are contemplating such an act so I'm assuming you are asking this from an academic perspective. I personally believe that God is a forgiving God and does not condemn people to hell at all. You are basically forgiven of all your sins, big and small, in the same proportion that you forgive others who sin against you. That's an important part of the Lord's prayer.

 

People who commit suicide put the people who love them into a hell of sorts, leaving them in tremendous pain and sense of loss.

 

Many times I have personally been in a state in life where I have wondered if it was all worth it. Everytime, without fail, time has passed and life became well worth living again. The old saying that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem is right on target. No matter how much mental or physical pain you are being put through, God doesn't ever give you more than you can handle. Pain is for growth and if someone cuts that growth short by an irrational action, the lesson is lost and others are left suffering.

 

If I were God, I'd be real upset if someone killed himself or herself, especially while I was planning great things for their life. But the real God doesn't try to control people's lives and has given them a free will.

 

Your question ought not be whether or not people who kill themselves go to heaven but rather what can people do who are on the edge to get themselves out of that state or funk into a better, brighter place. There are so many loving people: ministers, counsellors, friends, social workers, and even strangers who a person can talk to and work out solutions to the very worst of problems.

 

Heaven is always there for everybody but cutting short our stay on Earth interferes with God's plan for us. While I do personally think suicide is a forgiveable act, just like any other sin, I would prefer not to face God after having done such an insulting thing as that.

 

If I have misinterpreted your post and you are indeed asking this question for yourself, please take midori's advice above, see a counsellor, call a crisis center, etc. If this is an academic question, as it seems, I'd like to know what your thoughts are on the matter.

[autumnlover]

well what if i was at the end of my rope here and i just wanted to leave and i told God that i wanted to be with him??? your assumptions are correct...i am thinking about it but no one can make the pain i feel go away. i feel so alone and frustrated. i get told all the time that i am this "wonderful friendly person" yet no one give me the time of day. i seem to cause problems where ever i go. people have just stopped talking to me. i get told on a daily basis that i am doing something wrong and yet no one tell me what it is i am doing wrong. i am depressed and lost. i gave my heart to God (again) in february and it seems like things were going good for a while and that i was granted forgivness by God. But lately...i have been wondering why my life isnt "happy"? I pray every night that God will take me in anyway he can...and just to get me off this planet that i now call hell. i cant take it anymore and i just want to be with God. I want to be "safe" and i want to be with him and only him. i do...i want to die. i dont want to be here anymore. and yes...i feel that this is the right thing to do. i know i am risking others feelings and making them feel bad but i would rather die and go away and just have them move on then to be feeling these feelings towards me. i dont want to face life...i have never been able to.

 

another question...my dad told me not too long ago that God knows what we are going to do before we do it and that as long as we ask for forgiveness....we are forgiven. so how would i be insulting God if knew this was going to happen???

[midori]

lately...i have been wondering why my life isnt "happy"? I pray every night that God will take me in anyway he can...and just to get me off this planet that i now call hell. i cant take it anymore and i just want to be with God. I want to be "safe" and i want to be with him and only him.

 

I don't think that God plans everything out for us. I think that God knows us well, but that he wants us to make our own decisions. Obviously we have free will. Otherwise, how would you account for the fact that crimes are committed, wars are started, people go skiing and an avalanche comes down on top of them? If God had everything planned out, how could he justify the suffering that so many people go through? How would he justify the pain you're in now? So no, I don't believe that God has everything mapped out ahead of time. Wouldn't it be easier for us if he did? But that's not how life is.

 

I do think that God is present in the world, and in our lives. There is a safe place for you here, and it's within reach. Sometimes you just need a change in perspective. And talking to new people can provide that.

 

About this time three years ago I thought my life was over. Or I wished it was over. I just didn't see how I'd ever regain my footing after having the rug pulled out from under me. And some of the people I thought I could count on just weren't there for me -- they had their hands full with other stuff. I had my family, but they were far away, just voices at the other end of a long distance phone call. So I had to start looking elsewhere. I had to expand my social circle. I had to reorganize my life and my expectations. It took a long time ... but I found a much safer place. A much better place. And you can do that too.

[Tony T]

Everybody goes through this at one time or another. There are times when we just can't see any brightness anywhere. All seems dark, gloomy and hopeless. Many times this is caused by depression which can be helped significantly with professional help and medication. Other times, it just requires the passing of time and a change of heart.

[spencer]

Originally posted by autumnlover

well what if i was at the end of my rope here... your assumptions are correct...i am thinking about it

Me too..typical thought of the seriously depressed.

Originally posted by autumnlover

but no one can make the pain i feel go away.

not true

Originally posted by autumnlover

i feel so alone and frustrated. i get told all the time that i am this "wonderful friendly person" yet no one give me the time of day.

people are self asorbed.

 

Originally posted by autumnlover

i seem to cause problems where ever i go. people have just stopped talking to me. i get told on a daily basis that i am doing something wrong and yet no one tell me what it is i am doing wrong. i am depressed and lost.

if they stopped talking to you, then how do you get told that your doing something wrong?

kidding, I know what you mean.i just wanted to point out your disjointed thoughts, you have a serious depression and i can see it by the context of your post. im sorry, i know how painful this suffering is.

 

let me put my thoughts in to perspective for you and mabye you'll realize you are not alone.

i warn all readers serious morbid humor to follow.

 

monday i woke up and wanted to blow my brains out. I thought Oh Schitte i am really getting worse. I have started therapy again & told him about my suicidal ideations.

anyway, after making sure there is nothing in the house i could shoot myself with.(made sure b/f got rid of any functioning firearms.) .

I remembered a dream i had many years ago, it was probably the dream that literally saved my life.

i was again, feeling very ineffective, and suicidal, and i dreamt i did blow my brains out.

one thing went wrong though,...... i lived, (this would make sense to someone who cant do anything right). anyway i had to clean my brains off the wall before my mom got home...what a mess. i was frantic i wouldn't be able to do it and thought, she not going to like all this blood and brains on the wall, plus, now my head is all f'd up and making it harder to do anything. if i thought i was bad before, i'll really be a messed up now, with half my brain gone.

 

i have often thought about this dream whenever i have these feelings.

medication and intensive therapy helps too.

 

Originally posted by autumnlover

i feel that this is the right thing to do. i know i am risking others feelings and making them feel bad

 

i have gone back and forth here. i too feel that i was never supposed to be here.

well i never did have a choice in the matter.

when i can function normally i would never want to put my family through the suffering of losing me due to my selfish impulse.

 

when i am really suffering i think to myself "I'll just stay right here and make everyone else miserable too. ha!

 

Originally posted by autumnlover

i would rather die and go away and just have them move on then to be feeling these feelings towards me.

 

tell them to go f' themselfs. if they don't like how you do something, YOU, have the right to tell them not to ask you to do it, or to show you how to do it. I am learning that i don't have to act overly competent to make up for my problems. I am allowing myself to act like i feel, and i feel like a retard.

no more will i allow "get over it" or "pull yourself together",to affect me.

I say now "I cant, and if you dont understand then thats your problem".

 

the moral of my story is before you go and "catch the bus" first find some time to annoy, act insane, and see how many people you could piss off. in the mean time get your a** to counseling. you dont always have to feel like this.

im here for you.

 

you need to reply or i wont be able to sleep ever again.

[autumnlover]

i am in therapy and my therapist and i get along great and we have an understanding. but when i do reach out for help to someone around me...i am told to go to sleep and wake up feeling new. i had a discussion with my bf and we were talking about people who kill them selves. he said it is a stupid thing to do. he brought up a very good point and that is...in the 10 commandments it says that you should not kill anyone..and he said that it goes for killing ourselves. that maybe but i am so sincere with my feelings. i am 100% willing to take a risk of going to heaven or being dammed to hell (as my bf said that could happen) i mean hell...i can go and call up a church and try to talk to someone and when they feel like they are done..they will end up turning me away....i know i can "stand up for myself" but believe it or not...i have actually ran into a priest that had an attitude. my pastor told me that i should go and talk to one of my "girlfriends" about my problems. like they didnt have anytime for me. i can go to CVS, but a bottle of tylenol pm..take the whole thing and never wake up..painless and useful at the same time. who could ask for more in that respect??? i life got co complicated and when i tried to make my life as simple as i could... it just got more complicated. i dont get it. it is like God is trying to make my life hard. i pray everynight to God to forgive my sins and to help me become a better person and thanking him for everything...yet nothing happens. i know good things come to those who wait but i wonder what i have done so horrible. perfect example...my cousion has been on drugs, set things on fire, had been arrested and has put grown people in the hospitial...and done other things but i will take up the whole bandwith of the entire site. yet she has a beautiful son, all the support in the world and she gets off CLEAN for everything...and she is only 19. everyone backs her up and tells me how i should be more like her. HUH?!?!?!!? i dont want to be here and that is my feeling towards things right now. i am lost and i cant find my way back to anything.

[moimeme]

Autumnlover

 

I'm very worried about you because I remember you speaking of suicide some time ago.

 

Put it this way, Autumnlover, no matter how hard a time your friends and family might give you, your committing suicide will send them all to hell, not just you. Now, you may be aggrieved at them and want to get back at them, but your death will hurt them for the rest of their lives, and even if you hated them, surely you would not wish that much pain on them all?

 

You must, must, MUST get away from this man. Autumnlover, you don't love him, you're addicted to him. Love is uplifting, Autumnlover. You should feel good about yourself and your life and that he makes everything better. He does not, and he has gotten you to this point. You cling to for security but how much has that helped you - now you don't even want to live!!

 

have been wondering why my life isnt "happy

 

Most people aren't happy, especially all the time. People have really hard lives, sometimes for years at at time. I wnt through two very, VERY awful years but nothing ever, EVER lasts. Bad times eventually end.

Your unhappiness is caused by something physical and your therapist should long ago have put you on medication to help.

 

but i would rather die and go away and just have them move on then to be feeling these feelings towards me

 

They won't move on. What you do will hurt them for life. Some may even kill themselves, spreading the pain more. Nobody will get over your loss, Autumnlover.

 

when i do reach out for help to someone around me...i am told to go to sleep and wake up feeling new.

 

Plenty of people are just stupid. Plenty of others have not got clue one about how to deal with somebody who is feeling the way you feel. This is why it is crucial for you to speak to people who do; people who have been in exactly the place you are in and who can tell you exactly how it is and how and why you should not leave the planet yet. Try reading http://www.metanoia.org There are people there who wanted to kill themselves. Same with suicide hotlines - people can talk to you - they've been there.

 

Please read the site I gave you or call a hotline. PM me if you like. Life will get better but you have to get away from this awful man. That will be the beginning of your new and much happier life.

[Curt]

Autumn,

 

Let me first say that I am truly troubled by the pain that you are feeling. There is nothing worse than feeling that life has lost it's magic. It is in those times when we need to pray, and feel close to God's love most of all.

 

I've had those bad times as well. Surely, sometimes there can be days and days that go by, when there may seem to be nothing more than pain, grief, worry and unhappiness in our lives. But...

 

Sweetie, rest assured that God has a plan for you, just as he does for everything and everybody else here on earth. God makes NO mistakes. You are important to his plan, else you would not even have been born.

 

It is really the struggles of life that make it clear that we are loved by God. One might well ask how this could be so...?

 

Well, look at it this way. Why would negativity and evil be wreaked on those whom negativity and evil already have firmly in their grasp? There would be no point.

 

Darkness wishes most to destroy light. It is those people like yourself (and myself to a point I think as well) that are true testament to the fact that when God loves us, the "world" may not, but WE will prevail. God always stands by your side, and listens to your needs. He wants more than anything for his people to be happy and feel his love for them. He is a friend that sticks closer than a brother. Just when we feel we are at our worst, he whispers in our ears...

 

"Be strong and of good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest."

--- Joshua 1:9

 

Why do you feel he brought you here?

 

Autumn, I believe that he brought you here because, by far, this site is filled with people who want to help you through the difficult times that you're having right now, just as I'm sure you would help them if they are down.

 

He does not want you to destroy yourself. He wants you to be a bright shining light, in a world that often knows nothing but darkness.

 

Tonight Autumn, or whenever you read this for that matter, I want you to thank God for the life he has given you, ask Him for guidance and to help you have strength, as you face the worries of this often unfair, unkind world.

 

I will ask Him to help you see your beauty, and your importance to His plan.

 

Love your family, love yourself, and most of all, love Him. Please keep faith, and know we all want you to push through this. Keep talking to a counsellor as well.

 

We're all here for ya.

 

Curt

[autumnlover]

i am sorry that i am putting all this burden adn worry on you all. that was not my intention. but think of it..i would be in a better place and i would not have to feel pain. i would finally be in a place where there would be no hurt, no pain, and i would be able to be with God feeling safe. i know that if i do decide to end my life...i will be forgiven and i will be able to enter the gates of heaven. i would not be told that i am wrong or get called names anymore...so i have a choice as i see it...i can either run away and never look back..or i can end it all and go to heaven. if i were to run away....i would have to face my problems later down the line anyway and be hurt some more down the road. and i dont want thst..so the only logical thing to do is end it...and let everyone move on. yeah...i would be hurting people right now..but down the road...i would be doing them a favor. as the saying goes..you have to be cruel to be kind.

[AJ]

autumnlover,

 

I believe that God has a plan for us all - some purpose that we are here to serve. For some, it is a huge undertaking for the benefit of His collective congregation. Example: Mother Teresa. For others, it is a much smaller job. This job may be something that only seems to benefit one or two people. That may be the case, or it may cause a chain reaction that eventually serves a much larger purpose. Sometimes we never fully realize what it is that we are here for. That's why we need to stick around here until God decides it's time for us to join him in Heaven.

 

I know the feelings of despair when nothing seems to be going right. I know the frustration when you see no bright spot ahead. I especially know the pain when people who don't seem to be "good people" seem to get everything they could want while you struggle daily. Remember that those who are "bad" can't take their Jaguars or bank accounts with them. You are here for a reason. I believe that you will be rewarded beyond your dreams for completing your journey through life as God has intended it. Your Jaguar is waiting in Heaven, but you have to earn the keys first. God may be auditioning you for a job that requires a strong soul, so hang in there.

 

If people are shooing you out of their lives, you don't want to be there anyway. There are other people out there who would be happy to have you in their lives. If people are unhappy with you, but can't (or won't) tell you why, then they are the ones with a problem. It takes a big person to want to know what they can do to improve themselves. Anyway, as a servant of God, you should live to do his will, however hard it may sometimes be for you. You should not be concerned with making life easier for these other fools. They're not worth your energy to worry about.

 

I'm sure that you have seen the "Footprints" poster that has been around for years about the person walking along the beach watching scenes from their life. I encourage you to go read it again. I firmly believe in the idea that God doesn't always prevent good people from having hard times, but I do believe that he never leaves you alone during those times of trouble.

 

I'd like to leave you with your own signature: "LOVE, LIVE, LAUGH and PLAY!!!" and a quote from Oscar Wilde that I try to always remember when things get heavy: "Life is much too important to be taken seriously."

[Good2Go]

LOVE, LIVE, LAUGH and PLAY!!!

 

Why would you not want to incorporate your quote into your own life?

[quankanne]

Autumn, don't ever feel like you need to apologize for reaching out in need when you come here -- it's the whole purpose of the board, to be there for those nameless, faceless posters in their time of need.

 

My heart goes out to you as you go through this bad period, seeing how you want to just chuck it all away so that you don't feel the pain anymore, but I promise you, this is going to pass simply because it must. Nothing bad lasts forever, even though it sometimes feels that way ...

 

As a believer, you know how much God loves you; you know that he holds you dearly in his heart and only wants the best for you. Sometimes, how we arrive at this state of "best" is through a rough, rotten journey, but that's okay: he knows what he's doing. The only thing he asks is that you put your hand in his and trust him.

 

You know that suicide isn't the answer, really; it's not what he wants for you -- it's not what this community wants for you even though we've not met you personally! God knows what's in your heart, even these dark thoughts, but he also knows that you are able to rise above all this hurt and pain if you simply trust in his mission for you -- even if it means putting up with the bull**** longer. Should you make that choice to take your life ... well, I believe God is a forgiving God, one who knows your heart completely, but I also think he mourns deeply each time we do something to hurt or abuse ourselves because he knows we're much, much more than the sum of our pains and fears: we are the hope he has in us. I don't think it's a case of him being insulted, but of him being truly saddened knowing that a person put more trust in their own wisdom than his ... but this is my take on it

 

If you find that doors are being shut in your face or you're being ignored, keep looking until you find someone who WILL take the time to listen, to offer help. That person is out there, and you will find him/her if you remain committed to finding him ... go find another pastor or priest or preacher; get hold of someone at a suicide hotline; anyone, just anyone who you can talk to, person to person and share honestly how you feel.

 

I posted my favorite poem (mind you, I'm no great lover of poetry because I just don't *get* it) in another post, one which talks about how God has created each of us for a specific purpose, to do a specific mission that only we can accomplish. Even in your time of perplexity and hurt and sorrow, you are on a mission for him – he needs you here for a reason that he will reveal in his time. http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t37373

 

somewhere, I came across a card of encouragement that read, "I won't tell you to hang in there or to be strong because that's not what you need to hear. But I will tell you this: remember that the Hand holding on to yours has you securely in His grasp."

 

He's here, Autumn, he wants you to discover that mission he has for you so that you can witness him by your life, not in your death.

[Bronzepen]

To answer your thread question - NO

 

God gave you life to live not to take.

 

Don't be so sad. Things may look really bad but they are not as bad as you think.

 

The fact that your reaching out on this forum says something about you and that something is hope.

 

People will say bad things to you simply out of jealousy, envy or just because they are mean and cruel people.

 

Having said that, you probably have a quality that they wish they had. Since they can't, they will call you names and put you down to try and remove that quality from you. Try as they might, they can't remove it but they might succeed in making you surpress it. This is where you are now.

 

Find that quality or qualities. Don't surpress it.

 

Put yourself in their shoes and ask "Why would I put that person down or mistreat them?" Chances are you will find that they are jealous or envy you for something you posses.

 

In the end this all means that THEY are the one's with a problem, not you.

 

Stay strong,

 

Don't give up on God because he NEVER gives up on you.

[autumnlover]

ok..i can understand where all of you are coming from. i have to honest when i tell you that i feel this incrediable "urge" to end it all. i really do. in my heart..it is teling me to just get it over with and do it. i cant exaclty explain why i am feeling this way. i cant put into words how i am feeling. it is just a feeling that i have and it is telling me to just end it...almost like this is what is suposed to happen. i can say that when i think about my future..i get this dreded feeling and a big "pit" in my stomach. i cant see or imangine myself in this world 1 year from now. i know most people would tell me that they can see themselves with this person or that person but i cant see me doing anything. i was once told that me killing myself is a way for me to get "revenge" on people and maybe it is. maybe i want to cause them hurt and pain like they have caused me. but i dont personally believe that because i dont want them to feel guilty because of my death. all i know is that i have this "feeling" and it is telling me that this is the way to go. maybe it is a test but i dont know. all i know right now is that i have an urge and i just want to leave work and go home and take a bottle of tylenol pm and go to sleep and never wake up.

[HokeyReligions]

Autumnlover,

 

Please don't. You have too much to contribute to life - you are too valuable. The way that you write shows that. The pain that you feel now, or the numbness, or the anger, etc. will change. I guarantee that. Are you taking any anti-depressents? Do you suffer from depression? I do mean SUFFER I can read the suffering in the words you say, and feel it through the Internet in the words you don't say.

 

At some point in your future (probably not too far distant future) you can and will use all of this pain to your own benefit. You can and will be stronger. You can find contentment in life. Satisfaction. Yes, joy and pleasure too.

 

What do you do for a living? What would you like to do? I'm gussing that you would like to help other people. Be a positive contributor to the lives of others, AND your own. Don't take that opportunity away from yourself. Don't deny yourself the chance or the hope for a fulfilling life and a future full of normal ups and downs and ups again based on the pain you've felt so far.

 

Stick around LS to help you with the day-to-day struggles, but right now PLEASE call your local crisis hotline and talk to someone who really cares.

 

I was in a situation some years back where I thought death was the only way. I was convinced of it. Everything in my life seemed to be wrong and I was tired of hurting and feeling so useless and worthless. In my despair I picked up the phone, and I remember it almost seemed like someone else was dialing, and I dialed zero and asked for a crisis hotline. They gave me a number and didn't even dial it for me and I remember thinking "yep, even a stupid operator doesn't care enough to help me" that is how low I felt. I dialed the crisis number anyway. A young woman answered and I said "I don't know why I'm calling" and she said "I know why. You need some help and that is why I answered." We talked and she even found a doctor in my area that would see me (it was on a Sunday) and I went to the doctor, talked to him, got on some meds, and once I took that first positive step I kept on walking forward. The people at the crisis hotline are volunteers. They are not there for the money. They are not there for fame or prestige. They are there because they honestly care about people and they cared about me.

 

Autumnlover, I care about YOU. I don't want you die. I don't know you, but I care anyway. PLEASE call the crisis hotline right now and talk to a live person.

[moimeme]

The voice telling you to end it and the feelings you have that you should leave this planet are NOT from God. They are from Depression, a cousin of Satan's. It is deceiving you. DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!!!! It wants to rob you of the happiness which is coming to you in your future. It wants you to quit and leave the planet so you won't do what you are put here to do.

 

Think of it this way; you can and will spend eternity with God but you only have a few years to be here on Earth. You'll NEVER get the chance again - nothing you enjoy here - even a burger - will you ever have again. There is so much of life you can still experience - this is no time to quit!!

 

And you absolutely must quit thinking your relatives will 'get over' your death easily. THEY WILL NOT

 

You are denying others' pain because that will ruin your plan to escape, but when you're gone, others will suffer as much or more as you and they will do it until they die. You think they don't care but you are wrong.

 

But, you see, Depression tells you all these lies and, because you need to get help to defeat Depression, you listen.

 

Do not listen to the voice, do not go with the feeling. It is deceit. You will miss out on all the goodness that is here if you leave us now. Stay and tell Depression to go to hell.

[Crazy_Beautiful]

autumnlover,

 

I don't know if this will make you feel any better, but I know exactly how you feel. In the course of a year and 4 months, my whole world has fallen apart. The most important person to me (my mother) suffered and died from cancer before my graduation, my friends and families both betrayed me, I got a divorce from my spouse, I was encouraged to take medicine that made me suicidal, I took revenge by slashing one of my betraying friends tires and ended up in court, my dad had a roll-over truck accident and has permanent brain damage, my dad has surgery this coming Tuesday, my brother disappeared, my pet died, suffered emotional abuse from jobs, kidney stones, sinus infections, colon spasms, shingles (I know the last 4 don't sound bad, but it is when they are all at the same time and repeated), a guy like a brother to me with a critical illness that caused him to lose both legs (he's still in the hospital and in critical condition), debt from trying to do what you are thinking about, and two neighbors I've grown up around's death. I'm only 19 years old! And, it never ends. I can't recover from one thing before another one happens. There are only a few things that I have found that helps: someone to talk to, journal writing, and reading the Bible. I've been in the hospital 4 times for overdoses and holding a gun to my head. Someone always discovered me before I had the chance to go. God won't let me go because I have not fulfilled his purpose yet. I had to go to a mental institution for a week. It didn't help me any because I already knew what was right, but I couldn't stop myself. I would go in this fog, and I couldn't find anyone around to listen. I want the same things you want. I want to feel safe, secure, loved, listened to...but I have learned that there is nothing on this earth worth losing your life over. I still feel like doing it at times, but I know I couldn't go through with it now. There is something and somebody out there for me; I just have to find them both.

[moimeme]

God love you, CB! You have had far too much to deal with in such a short while; kudos to you for making it thus far! Things absolutely have to get better from here on. Keep strong. You are absolutely correct that the best is yet to be and you won't want to miss it!

 

blessings to you

 

Merry

[dyermaker]

I agree with all of the compassionate reassurances that you can work through this without ending your life, and you're now in my prayers.

 

However, no one here is qualified to say whether someone can go to heaven. They're all working off doctrinal understandings, limited translations, personal consciences, and generational prejudices. I do believe that it is sinful to take your own life, not merely because you're denying God the ability to work through you for his plan, but also because you're hurting the people you love. You need to end the delusion that no one will be affected by the transferring of the pain from you to your loved ones--suicide is one of the most selfish human acts imaginable, which is perhaps why it's been, over time, associated with eternal damnation.

 

I believe Judas Iscariot is in heaven, along with many other suicide victims/perpetrators--no one will change my mind on this. But the demonization of suicide could be a good thing if it's going to stop you from doing it. It should not be done to connect with God, as in, 'if I kill myself now, I'll go to be with him'--instead you must look at your life as twofold, the completion of your role on Earth, coupled with whatever's left of you when you die.

 

You're not here for no reason, no one was created so that they could be uncreated through their own volition. I think people who think of suicide are given a lot of pity, because they're delicate people with the power to inflict pain on many to escape their own. To a point, I think that pity is misplaced. I pity your family, I pity the people who care about you even though you don't know it, and I pity all of the people you would have affected, all of the people you would have ministered to, all of the people your life would have touched--had you not made this irreversible choice.

 

If you're willing to try anything to escape your pain, try therapy. It amazes me that someone could be brave enough to kill themselves, but not brave enough to try to work through their pain. Life will end for you someday, that's never going to be mutable. But you should, if seeking to maintain a spiritual life, use what you've got to make your numbered years worthwile, not concentrate on the subtraction of those numbers.

[LILUIL]

It's always darkest before dawn.... believe it. sit up tomorrow at wait for the sun to rise. Note how it gets so dark before sun rise and when the sun does rise, feel the warmth coming slowly. Sometimes things gets so bad we think that it's like the darkness before dawn...

 

Hope you feel better soon. You'll be in my prayers too. You will pull through this situation stronger & wiser.

[ladyangel]

Originally posted by dyermaker

I think people who think of suicide are given a lot of pity, because they're delicate people with the power to inflict pain on many to escape their own. To a point, I think that pity is misplaced. I pity your family, I pity the people who care about you even though you don't know it, and I pity all of the people you would have affected, all of the people you would have ministered to, all of the people your life would have touched--had you not made this irreversible choice.

 

If you're willing to try anything to escape your pain, try therapy. It amazes me that someone could be brave enough to kill themselves, but not brave enough to try to work through their pain. Life will end for you someday, that's never going to be mutable. But you should, if seeking to maintain a spiritual life, use what you've got to make your numbered years worthwile, not concentrate on the subtraction of those numbers.

I agree that therapy would be the best alternative. I also pity the loved ones left behind as a result of suicide. I too have been one of those. However, I also pity someone who suffers from the horrible effects of debilitating depression, as is often the case in cases of suicide.

 

Depression. It's not a choice, it's an illness. It's an illness that needs more understanding and appreciation by a lot of people. It's an illness that nobody can truly understand until and unless they have been there. Don't judge lest ye be judged.

[dyermaker]

Don't judge lest ye be judged.

I hope you don't mean me--I wasn't making baseless value judgements, I've been on both sides of it, and have formed my opinion based on my own experiences. I didn't mean to offend you.

[ladyangel]

Originally posted by dyermaker

I hope you don't mean me--I wasn't making baseless value judgements, I've been on both sides of it, and have formed my opinion based on my own experiences. I didn't mean to offend you.

I too have been on both sides of it. And you didn't offend me at all. I'm kind of used to people who don't truly understand depression. Some of us feel sorry for them and understand their plight and some don't. That's life.