dyermaker Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 I lack the power to clarify my statements, but I didn't mean to say it quite like that. Link to post Share on other sites
shortbus74 Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 There are many ways to look at "ending it all" If you take your own life you are going to hell...... *If you are Jewish you are going to be alone forever* God gave you a gift ....FREE WILL........................Use it for the right reasons..... Do you have brothers or sisters..... If you do, think about how much they will miss you and the aftermath of you decision......I would love to be "outta here" but the mere fact of my sister not having me always draws me back... My mother would be heartbroken if she could not call me and talk to me... My aunt would miss me because of the little things I do for her....My dad would be lost without me and my future hubby would end up in a funny farm.... (LOVE) My life really sucks at times but I am glad that I am still here to deal with the "sucking issues" I tried many times to end my life and thank God...Allah... ect... ect.... it was not meant to be.... (not crazy .....just a little unwell) I promise you that you will have your highs an lows in life......... but do not deny your family and friends of YOU!!!!! I make myself mad when I even consider hurting myself despite the people who love me...... Link to post Share on other sites
sweetbilly Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Autumn dear, i know you must be going through some very rough times. I too have gone through some very very hard times, It's still rough. As you get older things will not get any easier either. However, at the end of the day when all is said and done, you will find that cherishing your life and keeping it was worth all the effort and pain. Believe me there are many rewards inlife that you do want to be a part of. I know how you feel, first hand. I watched as numerious friends of mine committed suicide one after another and others died of aids, falls from buildings, lightning strikes, and other things i don't want to discuss. I too wanted to take my own life, but trust me things will get better. I don't want to talk about what will happen after a person takes their own life. Instead i'd rather tell you that there are people that care for you deeply, and that you should think about what your absence in their lives will mean to them. By committing suicide you are telling them that you gave up on them, that's how i feel everyday. I miss my friends. Dear, God so loves you, tell him and everyone around you that you love them back, FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!!! Please put these thoughts of worthlessness and hopelessness out of your head. You mean something to me. Link to post Share on other sites
ladyangel Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 It's been weeks since Autumn started this thread. I hope she's still reading the responses, but frankly I'm worried about her. She's not answering PM's and she hasn't been online (I have her on my AIM list). Does anyone here know her? Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy_Beautiful Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 I'm worried a lot about her, too. It's easy to get caught up in these feelings that go along with depression. I just hope that she has given her life a chance. Link to post Share on other sites
nikkilove Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 I've read that suicide is a selfish act......and having gone through it with someone in my family.....I tend to agree. You go from feeling tremendous compassion that her low was so low this was the only way she could deal with it..........to feeling guilt-ridden-anger that she would do this to the family. In our family, she even left behind a child we are caring for who misses mommy........it's horrible, sad.........and heartbreaking. We wonder if she realized how hard this impacted her family, would she have done it? Did she think about that during the moments leading up to it? In life, she was the kind of person who acted without thinking, who hurt her family time and time again and lived very selfishly. If you tried to help, but said the wrong thing, she'd be mad at you. I believe she wasn't capable, somewhere deep inside, of thinking or caring about the consequences of her actions during life (she hurt all of us in one way or the other), and ultimately, when she took her own life at the end, it was the same. What is most heartbreaking, is that at anytime, had she only asked, we would have done whatever necessary to help her. We always left the doors of communication open, yet we had no idea, ever, she would do something like this, and for all we know, it was an impulsive act, the way she lived was the way she died. Impulsively. What also has been hard are people saying "oh, maybe it was an accident" or any other words of wisdom they think they need to share with the family. They have no clue. We know exactly what happened, and just telling people that isn't even enough. They feel they have the right to know her business or ours and if we leave somethings private, then they feel the need to dispute what we know to be true. All I know is suicide is hell for those left behind. Devastating, heartbreaking, hurt and anger at the same time, then guilt for feeling angry. I'd hope anyone considering it would talk to the mother or child of someone who did it and rethink after seeing the hurt and pain in their eyes, the survivors living forever with the thought "what if"...... Link to post Share on other sites
H2002 Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 A person on the brink of suicide has almost no hope. Often, they have been previously (and unsuccessfully) treated for depression. From one who has been there ... it is hell. In my experience, people who kill themselves are sometimes struck with a perverse altruism. I doubt many people planning on killing themselves would counsel another suicidal person to do the same. They see the hope in others' lives but not their own. And, strange as it may seem to the healthy mind, they often reason that their families would be better in the long run without them. Objectively, suicide is incredibly self-centered act. But an emotional condition like depression alters perception to an incredibly high degree. Just remember no one commits suicide for kicks. They have entered a state of despair and psychic pain most of us will never experience. H. Link to post Share on other sites
nikkilove Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 Originally posted by H2002 Objectively, suicide is incredibly self-centered act. But an emotional condition like depression alters perception to an incredibly high degree. Just remember no one commits suicide for kicks. They have entered a state of despair and psychic pain most of us will never experience. H. Somedays I am at this level of understanding and can accept what happened, other days all the other feelings come out and it's incredibly hard to deal with those emotions. the one thing I have really learned and learned hard regarding suicide is how incredibly painful it is for those left behind. In our family, we all say it would have been easier to deal with an accident, something beyond her control. With suicide, the feeling is and always will be "it didn't have to happen" and "what if". Today, after reading your reply and some of the others, I am closer to acceptance. I just hope that anyone contemplating suicide, please get themselves help. Please talk to someone. Please call a crisis hotline. Link to post Share on other sites
Tony T Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 It goes without saying that we all have tremendous empathy for people who are emotionally devastated to the extent they are contemplating suicide. We all seek to intervene in some way and absent personal contact can only urge the poster to seek help of some sort. All these opinions on suicide don't change the fact that the original poster was not seeking a sermon on suicide or a massive amount of opinions or research on it but merely wanted to know if a person who kills him or herself goes to heaven. So the only people who should be posting here, in my opinion, are those who have some knowledge, clues or opinions in this specific area of religions that believe in a heaven. I feel those who have sited Biblical verse have probably gone as far as can be in ascertaining an answer for this person. Link to post Share on other sites
nikkilove Posted May 16, 2004 Share Posted May 16, 2004 I think expressing concern, sharing stories are all part of this discussion, IMHO, however, from a bible standpoint, here's some references that deal specifically with the bible, heaven and suicide: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/suicide.shtml http://dianedew.com/suicide.htm Link to post Share on other sites
friendforyou Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Suicide is for the weak. And this life is our test. How will you pass, if you give in , and take an incomplete? Will you go to heaven? GOD has the last say, he of course has the power to forgive you. BUT, you would not be here to ask for forgiveness, for him to see that you know the error or your ways. That your life is not yours to take. You did not give it, therefore you can not take it away. Life can suck, but than 3 years from now can be wonderful. BELIEVE me!!! And just the fact that you are asking this questions shows you are a spiritual person...a person who knows the importance of life; and the respect we should have for it.[color=blue][/color] Link to post Share on other sites
Author autumnlover Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 i am fine.... to whoever reported me....i ended up going to the state hospitial in the state where i live. i am not ready to talk about it yet cause i am still recovering... just wanted to let you all know i am ok. i wont be coming to this board for a while because i need to recover completely and i am taking some time for me. take care and i will see you all soon.... Autumn Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Nobody could have reported you since we don't know who you are. Very glad to know you're fine, though, Autumnloverr! Please do come back and keep us posted on how you're doing. I've been thinking about you. Merry Link to post Share on other sites
ladyangel Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Originally posted by autumnlover i am fine.... to whoever reported me....i ended up going to the state hospitial in the state where i live. i am not ready to talk about it yet cause i am still recovering... just wanted to let you all know i am ok. i wont be coming to this board for a while because i need to recover completely and i am taking some time for me. take care and i will see you all soon.... Autumn All I can say is thank God. I'm so glad to hear you're okay. You've had a lot of people praying for you. Let me know when you're ready to talk. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetbilly Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 I'm so happy that you are ok autumn, you had a lot of people worried. I think everyone on loveshack will be so much more at ease when you come back safe and more emotionally stable. I think i speak for everyone when i say we are happy you are safe, and we are glad that you have received the help you needed. I'm sure everyone will be very happy when you rejoin our discussions. I for one, constantly thought about you, and wondered daily basis if you were safe. I'm happy to hear that you are. Remember to keep a positive outlook through all of life's little problems and you will be ok. With lots of love, Sweetbilly. Link to post Share on other sites
dyermaker Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 I'm in awe that someone reported you based on your posts here--when you're feeling better you owe that person a big hug. We're all very happy you're alive, and showing true strength in seeking help for your issues. God bless you. Link to post Share on other sites
HokeyReligions Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Autum - I am SOO glad to hear from you & know that you are still on the planet! I don't know who reported you, but I imagine it is someone around you, someone who loves you, someone who has seen your pain and wanted to reach out and help you and I'm sooooooo glad they did! Recover, follow your doctors advice and if and when you are ready --please come back. Link to post Share on other sites
Paradise Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 We can't find the answer to that question....not here................... Link to post Share on other sites
Paradise Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 You have to face life with open mind. Believe that you can overcome whatever obsticle you face. Believe happiness is within. Link to post Share on other sites
Author autumnlover Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 well i know who it was who reported me because the police in my aera messed up and i heard the name on my voice mail and i red the e-mail they sent but i dont know their screen name. but i am not going to say on here who it was but i am asking that who ever it was to pm me because i have a few questions to ask. thanks Link to post Share on other sites
harmlessdove Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Autumnlover, Please consider what I have to say....and I will keep it brief. My brother killed himself when he was days away from turning 17 and I was 15. I'll be 30 this year and I am still haunted about "what I didn't say" on his last night on this earth. I struggle with the guilt of knowing that I might have been able to talk him out of it because I was the last person to see him alive. At the time I would have never admitted that I loved my brother. I was a regular teen aged girl with a regular bitter relationship with him, yet there is not an October that goes by that my heart doesn't feel that it is literally being ripped out of my chest. I said all that to say......you are loved by more people than you realize. Most people won't admit it until it's too late. You mean the world to some one. Knowing your hurt and your struggle makes me and a lot of other people concerned and compassionate towards you. If suicide was the answer, it wouldn't be a struggle within you. God is pulling you one way while the devil is whispering an easy way out in your ear. It took me many years to admit that my brother will most likely not be in heaven (only God really knows)......but as for myself, when I struggled with those thoughts too......I DECIDED THAT I CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF MISSING OUT ON HEAVEN by committing suicide. Link to post Share on other sites
Author autumnlover Posted June 7, 2004 Author Share Posted June 7, 2004 thank you for your responce and i am sorry for your loss. i know killing myself isnt the answer...and i am thankful someone spoke up. if you dont mind me asking...what part of michigan do you live in? i have lots of family there. autumn Link to post Share on other sites
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