Hot Chick Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 If you're interested in her to date, then ask her to a nice restaurant as a date and like another poster stated, don't use the money as an enticement for her to have sex with you. Why not just date her and see where it goes? Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 If you're interested in her to date, then ask her to a nice restaurant as a date and like another poster stated, don't use the money as an enticement for her to have sex with you. Why not just date her and see where it goes? Nah, I think he should dangle money (and by dangle I mean physically put it out of his pocket and shake it at her) to ensure a positive "outcome" to the date. You don't want to beat around the bush, you want to jump into the bush, so wooing is a waste of time. Link to post Share on other sites
Easyguy14 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Feel free to ignore that paragraph Gold Pile. I agree, she's pretty nasty. dont know why she's even here? Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Nah, I think he should dangle money (and by dangle I mean physically put it out of his pocket and shake it at her) to ensure a positive "outcome" to the date. You don't want to beat around the bush, you want to jump into the bush, so wooing is a waste of time. That’s the way you do it. What about accidently dropping your wallet when you get up from your next meal, but make sure you have not stuffed all your many hundred dollar bills in it properly so she gets a good gander at your spending money. Gets her mind ticking over. Sounds like at this stage you haven’t parted with any of the green, beyond a few cheap meals. $200 a month for a ccard bill is not going to get you into sugardaddy territory mate. You have to start shelling out more moolah up front. You need to give her a taste of the good life you are used to. You can afford some seed money. When she says how grateful she is for all your help and for treating her, you can then say 'how grateful', with a smarmy Gordon gekko look. Most 20-year old girls are too young and fragile to make the right decisions for themselves. I don't think he is dating an Amish girl. Edited August 17, 2011 by ascendotum Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 That’s the way you do it. What about accidently dropping your wallet when you get up from your next meal, but make sure you have not stuffed all your many hundred dollar bills in it properly so she gets a good gander at your spending money. Gets her mind ticking over. Sounds like at this stage you haven’t parted with any of the green, beyond a few cheap meals. $200 a month for a ccard bill is not going to get you into sugardaddy territory mate. You have to start shelling out more moolah up front. You need to give her a taste of the good life you are used to. You can afford some seed money. When she says how grateful she is for all your help and for treating her, you can then say 'how grateful', with a smarmy Gordon gekko look. Most 20-year old girls are too young and fragile to make the right decisions for themselves. I don't think he is dating an Amish girl. I usually just pretend to drop something (like a pencil, even though I am not writing on anything and people really don't use pencils anymore), Then as I bend over, I show all the college boys that I have this incredibly fat wallet making an outline of my jeans in my back pocket. Honestly? In my experience there have been some "semester" worthy boys out there... So I say go for it. Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I usually just pretend to drop something (like a pencil, even though I am not writing on anything and people really don't use pencils anymore), Then as I bend over, I show all the college boys that I have this incredibly fat wallet making an outline of my jeans in my back pocket. Honestly? In my experience there have been some "semester" worthy boys out there... So I say go for it. Sounds like the payoff from having a fat wallet in the back pocket is definitely worthwhile even though it would make your bum look bigger. Link to post Share on other sites
OliveOyl Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Hey 19 (no we can't dance together no we can't talk at all) Please take me along when you slide on down... I love Steely Dan. Thanks for the link. Sorry for the sidetrack. Carry on. Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sounds like the payoff from having a fat wallet in the back pocket is definitely worthwhile even though it would make your bum look bigger. Only on one side though. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 But that clearly is what it is!!! And don't pretend you care one bit about her getting hurt or not, this is just about you wanting to have sex with her. Why don't you go to a prostitute? He has already said she would make more as a prostitute, so he is trying to accomplish getting laid for less money than a prostitute normally costs. Link to post Share on other sites
ThsAmericanLife Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This is a pretty lame thread... Why do we even try to give people like Gold Pile a conscience?? Skeevy old men trying to work whatever angle they have to get into a young, vulnerable woman's pants will always exist. Like I said, he's (hopefully) just one road-bump on her path to earning legitimate self-esteem. A useful warning sign perhaps... that she can pass by given some courage. ...Or, she can hold her nose, go into it with eyes open, get her credit card paid off, and ditch him as soon as she is back on her feet. If she's wise enough not to let herself get emotionally attached to him that is. I'm betting people like Gold Pile want the whole deal though... that is part of the appeal and the attraction. The opportunity to destroy another human being. He doesn't want to help her at all. If he did, he'd just help her and be a friend without expecting sex. Actually, his approach isn't all that different with how pimps get young girls to become actual prostitutes. I have a very good friend who is the chief investigator for the DA... and he broke it down for me one night over a few drinks. Pretty eye-opening. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This is a pretty lame thread... Why do we even try to give people like Gold Pile a conscience?? Skeevy old men trying to work whatever angle they have to get into a young, vulnerable woman's pants will always exist. Like I said, he's (hopefully) just one road-bump on her path to earning legitimate self-esteem. A useful warning sign perhaps... that she can pass by given some courage. ...Or, she can hold her nose, go into it with eyes open, get her credit card paid off, and ditch him as soon as she is back on her feet. If she's wise enough not to let herself get emotionally attached to him that is. I'm betting people like Gold Pile want the whole deal though... that is part of the appeal and the attraction. The opportunity to destroy another human being. He doesn't want to help her at all. If he did, he'd just help her and be a friend without expecting sex. Actually, his approach isn't all that different with how pimps get young girls to become actual prostitutes. I have a very good friend who is the chief investigator for the DA... and he broke it down for me one night over a few drinks. Pretty eye-opening. Meh, he is pretty well known on here for making fake but entertaining threads for comedy effect. I have as many doubts about this scenario being a real one as I do about the existence of his gold pile. In other words - don't let it ruin your day. Link to post Share on other sites
ThsAmericanLife Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Meh, he is pretty well known on here for making fake but entertaining threads for comedy effect. I have as many doubts about this scenario being a real one as I do about the existence of his gold pile. In other words - don't let it ruin your day. Thanks for reminding me... not ruining my day. My comments aren't really for him. As you've probably noticed from my other posts, I'm simply doing my part to de-bunk the 'appeal' of these kinds of relationships. Why? I actually think they are harmful to women. No. I'm not 'live and let live' when it comes to things like this... Why should I care? Well, as a woman in a nearly all male field, I'm fortunately very blessed to have older male mentors who have helped me a great deal... and sex was never on the table. We need more men like that. Now, do I think they were attracted to me? Who knows. If they did, they hid it well, which I'm very grateful for. I've also had the opposite... where my attempts to establish a connection or a friendship (professional or otherwise) from someone clearly unsuitable (age or marital status) was met with unwelcome sexual advances. Most were gracious with my polite rejection... but it does get VERY old. The only reason it would even occur to them that it was acceptable is because our culture encourages it. I'd find it equally repulsive to hit on one of my young male students (as cute as they are). Although, I'm often inclined to ask if their dads are single As I always say... Change the rules... change the behavior... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Gold Pile Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Even a simple posting of my mostly wholesome intentions has unleashed a storm of bitter remarks. I wish that wasn't so, but I can learn from it. Just as here, there is a real possibility that she will also misunderstand me. I think she's smarter than the average poster here, but none the less she might take it the same way. Here is the plan..... I won't come right out and offer that I'd help her if we were closer. Instead I'll relate false tales of ex GFs that I helped. I'll try to take her on a fancy date so she can get dressed up and taste the good life that is gold pile's lot. I'll leave it to her to come after me, or not. I fully admit I want sex (don't you?) but I resent those who think I want to hurt her. In large part I posted here looking for advice on how to do it right and thus NOT hurt her. Link to post Share on other sites
FitChick Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Why don't you help her find a good job? If you are so successful financially, you should have business connections, right? It's called networking and a skill everyone needs. Otherwise offer her money with no strings attached. If she refuses? Game over for you, buddy! You will always have porn though. Just date someone your own age. There are plenty of very attractive older women. Oh, wait, they met men like you when they were younger and are not so easily manipulated now. Never mind... Link to post Share on other sites
Nexus One Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Even a simple posting of my mostly wholesome intentions has unleashed a storm of bitter remarks. I wish that wasn't so, but I can learn from it. Just as here, there is a real possibility that she will also misunderstand me. I think she's smarter than the average poster here, but none the less she might take it the same way. Here is the plan..... I won't come right out and offer that I'd help her if we were closer. Instead I'll relate false tales of ex GFs that I helped. I'll try to take her on a fancy date so she can get dressed up and taste the good life that is gold pile's lot. I'll leave it to her to come after me, or not. I fully admit I want sex (don't you?) but I resent those who think I want to hurt her. In large part I posted here looking for advice on how to do it right and thus NOT hurt her. My beef with your approach was that you had an unethical plan to get her to sleep with you. In my opinion you had the psychology behind it down quite well, as if she were Pavlov's dog. You seem like a sharp guy and I really dislike it when smart people use their intelligence in a way like you had planned out. I understand that you want to sleep with her, I understand you don't want to hurt her, I understand you might have the intention to financially help her, but I don't understand why you chose such an unethical method to accomplish it. Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Gold Pile, you have intimacy issues, maybe some other issues too. If you don't intent to have real relationship with the young girl, sex with her will make her feel like a prostitute, especially with the money help. If you really want to do this, please let her know your real plan upfront, so she knows where you are going. Link to post Share on other sites
Nexus One Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 If you don't intent to have real relationship with the young girl, sex with her will make her feel like a prostitute, especially with the money help. If you really want to do this, please let her know your real plan upfront, so she knows where you are going. I agree with that also. Link to post Share on other sites
ThsAmericanLife Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Why don't you help her find a good job? If you are so successful financially, you should have business connections, right? It's called networking and a skill everyone needs. Otherwise offer her money with no strings attached. If she refuses? Game over for you, buddy! You will always have porn though. Just date someone your own age. There are plenty of very attractive older women. Oh, wait, they met men like you when they were younger and are not so easily manipulated now. Never mind... :laugh::laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
KathyM Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 This isn't cash for sex!!!! The cash would be my free and generous assistance to a friend in need. Were not close enough friends yet, the relationship needs to be more intimate b4 I'd be comfortable helping her. I'm sure $200 would be most useful to her. Certainly she'd command more as a prostitute but she isn't one and I'm not looking for one. Just saying I would help a CLOSE friend out, and I'd like her to know she could be just such a friend. Yes I want sex, who doesn't ?, but I also don't want anything but the best for her. So, in other words, the cash is not free and generous. You require intimacy before you would pay anything. You're not "helping this woman out" because of concern for her welfare. You're expecting sex in return. That is making her into a prostitute, buddy. Link to post Share on other sites
Cee Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Even a simple posting of my mostly wholesome intentions has unleashed a storm of bitter remarks. I wish that wasn't so, but I can learn from it. Just as here, there is a real possibility that she will also misunderstand me. I think she's smarter than the average poster here, but none the less she might take it the same way. Here is the plan..... I won't come right out and offer that I'd help her if we were closer. Instead I'll relate false tales of ex GFs that I helped. I'll try to take her on a fancy date so she can get dressed up and taste the good life that is gold pile's lot. I'll leave it to her to come after me, or not. I fully admit I want sex (don't you?) but I resent those who think I want to hurt her. In large part I posted here looking for advice on how to do it right and thus NOT hurt her. Hmm, you've met an impoverished young woman. You want to have sex with her, but also push money upon her to improve her social standing. This is quite similar to the plot of the George Bernard Shaw play Pygmalion. Except Henry Higgins didn't get laid, but Eliza Doolittle blossomed into an amazing lady. Carry on with your rewrite of Shaw. Link to post Share on other sites
OpenBook Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Hmmm... Henry Gold-Pile Higgins... Link to post Share on other sites
MrNate Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 GP, I just flat out tell the dudes half my age that I sleep with that not only do I not want to look after them, but they are paying for dinner. LOL. This is what I'm talking about. Let 'em know whats up from the get go. Link to post Share on other sites
Ms. Joolie Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I really don't know why you have to be so manipulative about it all. If you are really interested in a 20 year old (a mere child it seems! Yet a legal adult who is making her own choices in life), then just treat her as you would any woman - with dates together and communication you should be able to figure out if she is interested in you sexually as well. I figure she is spending time with you as a friend, for free meals or because she does have a thing for you, too. You don't have to pay her anything for being sexually involved with her, for crying out loud. If you want to help her as a friend, just have that conversation with her. It may hurt her pride and whatnot but just see if she will accept your gift. It doesn't matter what comes first - giving her cash or seeing if she's interested in you for what you want. They are both bold conversations. I wouldn't have them at the same time though. Do NOT talk about helping out ex-GFs. Creepy! Makes one think you have a sugar daddy with arm candy record, as if you are use to the whole paying for a sexual relationship thing. It will definitely feel as if you aren't genuine with her in wanting to help her, and she will feel cheap. Not swell. She's so young!! Be careful. Don't pervert her!! Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 She's so young!! Be careful. Don't pervert her!! maybe that is the whole point of GP's plan, to pervert her. Do you hate woman, Gold Pile? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Gold Pile Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 Thank you everyone for the change of tone. I accept blame for not being clearer from the get go. You're right that I should drop the manipulation tactics and be more honest. To me life is a series of flings and I'll never settle down, she has a right to know this. I've always (well mostly) been good about not promising a long term relationship to the women I date. I confess a certain insecurity that a 20 year old would bed a man my age. I think financial wealth needs to demonstrated to make me more attractive to her. I would have some hope that I could win her over the conventional way, but it is farther fetched. I'd like to at least maintain an illusion that the money is help for a friend and not for sex. I think she'd rather it be that way. Link to post Share on other sites
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