Women posters on this site catch alot of hell....

[aj22one]

I brought up that thread where a man's wife went to Cuba to have an affair and there are a few others. Men are also accused of having a caveman mentality and being afraid of a woman's sexuality if we want to prevent getting into a relationship with a woman who is more likely to be a cheater. There is this mentality that the man is always to blame for everything no matter how wrong the woman is.

 

Also you look at guys like Untouchable Fire and Phineas who clearly have been through some serious drama with women and they catch hell for venting about their experiences. Sure they are bitter which is understandable but I have never heard them saying all women without exception are like that.

 

Just look at all the "virgin guy" threads vs the "virgin girl" threads. All the guy ones are filled with women saying they think it's weird or that he has to work on his confidence issues. But the female virgin threads are filled with women saying that it's ok to be a virgin and that any decent guy will understand and take it slow blah blah blah.

[Woggle]

I also say that I respect open misandrists because while I don't agree with hatred I have some respect for people who stand by it and show their true colors. In no way do I think that every woman is a misandrists. There are plenty of women who like men but I can spot one from a mile away and when a woman swears she doesn't hate men when she obviously at least doesn't like us very much it annoys me.

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

 

Also you look at guys like Untouchable Fire and Phineas who clearly have been through some serious drama with women and they catch hell for venting about their experiences. Sure they are bitter which is understandable but I have never heard them saying all women without exception are like that.

 

Oh, come on, Woggle. Now you're just not being honest. I've gotten into it with UF, and never, ever because of him venting about his own unfortunate experience. I am quite sure I would be able to empathize with that. I've been done wrong, cheated on, lied to, stolen from, beaten up, and embezzled by a man that I loved, myself. My child was physically abused by a man whom I'd trusted and loved (her own father). I NEVER thought I would love, or trust, after that.

 

I would, and will, NEVER put all men, or all white, or Jewish, or American men in the same category as him because of what happened between us. NEVER.

 

The issue here on LS is when the "bad guy" becomes ALL WOMEN, or, in UF's case, ALL American women.

 

Would you be just fine with a white person who happened to be the victim of a crime by a black person going on to villianize, berate, and trash talk the entire population of black people? Would you find racist hate speech "understandable" and somehow justified under those conditions?

 

I hope not.

 

Because it's the same thing. It's all just nourishing bigotry and hatred. It's not okay.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Just look at all the "virgin guy" threads vs the "virgin girl" threads. All the guy ones are filled with women saying they think it's weird or that he has to work on his confidence issues. But the female virgin threads are filled with women saying that it's ok to be a virgin and that any decent guy will understand and take it slow blah blah blah.

 

Well, first of all, I don't think there are really so very many "virgin guy" and "virgin girl" threads.

 

But, please. You would have to take such a thing within the bounds of our societal expectations. I'm not saying I agree with this at all - I DO NOT. But, culturally, women have been honored for remaining virginal until marriage, while men have been honored for bagging a lot of poon before marriage. You know, "sowing the wild oats" was not an expression meant for application to women. Just men.

 

That doesn't make it right. But centuries of conditioning don't get changed overnight.

 

And, a person, woman OR man, who WANTS to "take it slow" NEEDS to be understood by any person who gets involved with him or her. If they are involved with a person who refuses to take it slow themselves, it's a bad situation. Isn't that a no-brainer?

[Mme. Chaucer]

And, since I'm on a roll now, I'll say this one more time:

 

I AM A FEMINIST and I love men, and I even LOVE functioning within very traditional gender roles in many ways within my current relationship and my past ones. I am very feminine and I revel in that. My fiance does too.

[aj22one]

Well, first of all, I don't think there are really so very many "virgin guy" and "virgin girl" threads.

 

But, please. You would have to take such a thing within the bounds of our societal expectations. I'm not saying I agree with this at all - I DO NOT. But, culturally, women have been honored for remaining virginal until marriage, while men have been honored for bagging a lot of poon before marriage. You know, "sowing the wild oats" was not an expression meant for application to women. Just men.

 

That doesn't make it right. But centuries of conditioning don't get changed overnight.

 

And, a person, woman OR man, who WANTS to "take it slow" NEEDS to be understood by any person who gets involved with him or her. If they are involved with a person who refuses to take it slow themselves, it's a bad situation. Isn't that a no-brainer?

 

Personally, I don't have sympathy for virgins of either sex. Usually it's a person who has unrealistic expectations or a really bad hang up about sex or relationships in general. It's just funny how the reactions vary depending on whether the virgin in question is a guy or a girl.

[A O]

I'm with you on the "legal." Not on the "moral." Especially not here in LoveShackLand or fundamentalist communities of any kind.

It's the same for both. A woman will elicit more sympathy for committing a wrong than a man would in the same situation. And message boards like this are testament to that. Arguably, the exceptions are in the workplace and at home. As for fundamentalist communities and the like, can't say I'm interested in anything outside of my western sphere of influence.

 

 

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[Mme. Chaucer]

There are plenty of Fundamentalist cultures here in Western society, and I can tell you for certain that women within them who commit a "moral" wrong, such as adultery, out of wedlock pregnancy, promiscuous or pre-marital sex, or substance abuse, or shoplifting, are much less sympathetically dealt with within the community than men are. Women are considered to be the torch bearers of morality, and are supposed to "tame" men and keep them in line. This is a basic tenant of Judeo-Christian culture and tradition, and it's alive and healthy in your local, regular Baptist church. No need to look further.

[FarmGirl]

There are plenty of Fundamentalist cultures here in Western society, and I can tell you for certain that women within them who commit a "moral" wrong, such as adultery, out of wedlock pregnancy, promiscuous or pre-marital sex, or substance abuse, or shoplifting, are much less sympathetically dealt with within the community than men are. Women are considered to be the torch bearers of morality, and are supposed to "tame" men and keep them in line. This is a basic tenant of Judeo-Christian culture and tradition, and it's alive and healthy in your local, regular Baptist church. No need to look further.

 

Out of wedlock pregnancy, Baptist family, the whole she-bang here & ya'll wonder why I'm a wreck

[dreamingoftigers]

I brought up that thread where a man's wife went to Cuba to have an affair and there are a few others. Men are also accused of having a caveman mentality and being afraid of a woman's sexuality if we want to prevent getting into a relationship with a woman who is more likely to be a cheater. There is this mentality that the man is always to blame for everything no matter how wrong the woman is.

 

Also you look at guys like Untouchable Fire and Phineas who clearly have been through some serious drama with women and they catch hell for venting about their experiences. Sure they are bitter which is understandable but I have never heard them saying all women without exception are like that.

 

Untouchable Fire has more than once said that all

Women cheat or all women will eventually cheat.

 

He actually hasn't responded to the fact that I haven't.

 

1 out of 3 billion I guess. And right here on this very forum. :lmao:

[Woggle]

Untouchable Fire has more than once said that all

Women cheat or all women will eventually cheat.

 

He actually hasn't responded to the fact that I haven't.

 

1 out of 3 billion I guess. And right here on this very forum. :lmao:

 

I certainly don't agree with him but after being the ringer some men start to think all women are like that.

[dreamingoftigers]

It's the same for both. A woman will elicit more sympathy for committing a wrong than a man would in the same situation. And message boards like this are testament to that. Arguably, the exceptions are in the workplace and at home. As for fundamentalist communities and the like, can't say I'm interested in anything outside of my western sphere of influence.

 

 

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I think women in general catch far more flack for sexual issues then men do.

 

For men it is almost of cultural norm to seek some form of sexuality outside of the relationship. Whereas if women have any kind of sexuality when they are single, it is frowned upon.

[dreamingoftigers]

I certainly don't agree with him but after being the ringer some men start to think all women are like that.

 

Vice-versa.

 

The point was that you cited a specific poster as having a quality that he did not.

 

Truly, it pushes a teeny nerve, (because I am on the other side of the coin) but I understand it so it doesn't bother me that much.

 

Overall I see UF as being someone who put his whole heart in, and it got shredded. It's not as easy to have faith in people after that.

[A O]

There are plenty of Fundamentalist cultures here in Western society, and I can tell you for certain that women within them who commit a "moral" wrong, such as adultery, out of wedlock pregnancy, promiscuous or pre-marital sex, or substance abuse, or shoplifting, are much less sympathetically dealt with within the community than men are. Women are considered to be the torch bearers of morality, and are supposed to "tame" men and keep them in line. This is a basic tenant of Judeo-Christian culture and tradition, and it's alive and healthy in your local, regular Baptist church. No need to look further.

Well I can't argue against any of that. It's not the world I live in. Religion has its place, but gender specific policies or judgments is something that thankfully, I was never raised on as far as religious matters are concerned.

 

In the world I live in, which includes message boards like this, a woman who does wrong, in a relationship sense especially, will garner a lot more understanding and less criticism than her male counterpart.

 

I think women in general catch far more flack for sexual issues then men do. For men it is almost of cultural norm to seek some form of sexuality outside of the relationship. Whereas if women have any kind of sexuality when they are single, it is frowned upon.

It is seen as a cultural norm but its one that most women guard against and that most men have to try and live down if they wish to have a relationship with a woman.

 

In other words, this cultural norm, this perception does come back to bite men in the arse big time when it comes to pursuing relationships.

 

In this situation, women spend a good deal of time weeding out those men looking for only one thing, those men basically reverting to type. This means that a man that shows too much of an inclination towards sex and not enough interest in her whole self, his stocks, his chances with a woman greatly diminish. This dynamic is little different than men who judge overly sexual women.

 

The only difference is that this weeding out process is so ingrained in our society that we never take time to understand what has just transpired, which in short is - male sexuality has been judged (and found wanting) in the same manner that female sexuality is judged in, but is usually seen as something only women tend to have endure. Not true.

 

 

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