USMCHokie Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 ...? I think that would be cool...but as seen in another thread, why are women so offended by it...?
Cypress25 Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 LOL, men and women are different. Most women want to be appreciated for their personality and sense of humor, as well as for sex. Whereas a lot of men wouldn't mind being appreciated just for sex. Women like being treated with respect. It makes us feel good.
carhill Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Having experienced it a few times (emphasis on few), I didn't find it to be 'stimulating' at all, simply because such dynamics don't match up with my psychology and relationship style. My data points were more than 'looks', more like touch and feel and sexual flirting. I have no idea what people think when they look at me, something I was trying to get across to that young lady in the thread which perhaps inspired this one. I don't know why in your case, nor do I really know in my own. It is what it is. The secret is safe with them.
ThsAmericanLife Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 You wouldn't think it was cool if it happened alot, and there was some possible physical threat attached to that 'attraction'.
threebyfate Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Why would we treat you the way we hate being treated? Have it happen to you enough times and you'd get disgusted by it too.
verhrzn Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) There's this great episode of How I Met Your Mother in which the two women of the group, Robin and Lily, are complaining about how men are constantly hitting on them. Ted and Marshall call them out on this... "I'm a pretty girl, and guys everywhere want to buy me drinks and sleep with me, wah." A little while later in the episode, the group goes into a gay bar. Lily and Robin are overjoyed... men complimenting them on their sweaters actually like their sweaters, not their sweater-puppies. Ted and Marshall are thrilled, as gay men check them out and buy them yummy fruity drinks that they can drink without feeling emasculated. After a while, however, Marshall and Ted find the situation a little less appealing. Marshall: "Hello, it's like my eyes are up here." Ted: "It's always the ugly guys too, what a DRAG." Gay Guy: "MMM, look at me in the middle of a delicious sandwich!" Marshall: "Hey we're kind of in the middle of a discussion, do you mind?" Gay Guy: "I know what I want to be in the middle of!" ... Long story short, you want to know why women don't always appreciate being treated like a piece of meat, go into a gay bar. Yeah, you're not attracted to them-that's the point. Women aren't always in the mood of be someone's spank monkey... it can be exhausting. Men's sexuality can be overwhelming and, at times, all encompassing. I think women often feel like a guy is hitting on them not because the guy thinks they're hot but because the guy is just so desperate for SEX, SEX, MUST HAVE SEX. It's impersonal and it's a bit threatening, because you're never sure if your message of "No" will get through to the kind of guy that's hitting on you so hardcore. Edited August 28, 2011 by verhrzn
Author USMCHokie Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 There's this great episode of How I Met Your Mother in which the two women of the group, Robin and Lily, are complaining about how men are constantly hitting on them. Ted and Marshall call them out on this... "I'm a pretty girl, and guys everywhere want to buy me drinks and sleep with me, wah." A little while later in the episode, the group goes into a gay bar. Lily and Robin are overjoyed... men complimenting them on their sweaters actually like their sweaters, not their sweater-puppies. Ted and Marshall are thrilled, as gay men check them out and buy them yummy fruity drinks that they can drink without feeling emasculated. After a while, however, Marshall and Ted find the situation a little less appealing. Marshall: "Hello, it's like my eyes are up here." Ted: "It's always the ugly guys too, what a DRAG." Gay Guy: "MMM, look at me in the middle of a delicious sandwich!" Marshall: "Hey we're kind of in the middle of a discussion, do you mind?" Gay Guy: "I know what I want to be in the middle of!" ... Long story short, you want to know why women don't always appreciate being treated like a piece of meat, go into a gay bar. Yeah, you're not attracted to them-that's the point. Women aren't always in the mood of be someone's spank monkey... it can be exhausting. Men's sexuality can be overwhelming and, at times, all encompassing. I think women often feel like a guy is hitting on them not because the guy thinks they're hot but because the guy is just so desperate for SEX, SEX, MUST HAVE SEX. Hahah, a HIMYM reference... I might have to give this a try...
johan Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 My ex and I were wandering around after a movie looking for a place to hang out. I like to try new places. We went into a bar that looked interesting from the outside, and it was the only place for a few blocks. I noticed the look on the face of the guy at the door. He was waiting for me to realize what we'd gotten into: a gay bar. I was more like a gay strip club or something. I didn't make it 6 inches through the door before we turned around and left. Nah. That's not for me. The guy at the door and my ex laughed. Good times.
ThsAmericanLife Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 There's this great episode of How I Met Your Mother in which the two women of the group, Robin and Lily, are complaining about how men are constantly hitting on them. Ted and Marshall call them out on this... "I'm a pretty girl, and guys everywhere want to buy me drinks and sleep with me, wah." A little while later in the episode, the group goes into a gay bar. Lily and Robin are overjoyed... men complimenting them on their sweaters actually like their sweaters, not their sweater-puppies. Ted and Marshall are thrilled, as gay men check them out and buy them yummy fruity drinks that they can drink without feeling emasculated. After a while, however, Marshall and Ted find the situation a little less appealing. Marshall: "Hello, it's like my eyes are up here." Ted: "It's always the ugly guys too, what a DRAG." Gay Guy: "MMM, look at me in the middle of a delicious sandwich!" Marshall: "Hey we're kind of in the middle of a discussion, do you mind?" Gay Guy: "I know what I want to be in the middle of!" ... Long story short, you want to know why women don't always appreciate being treated like a piece of meat, go into a gay bar. Yeah, you're not attracted to them-that's the point. Women aren't always in the mood of be someone's spank monkey... it can be exhausting. Men's sexuality can be overwhelming and, at times, all encompassing. I think women often feel like a guy is hitting on them not because the guy thinks they're hot but because the guy is just so desperate for SEX, SEX, MUST HAVE SEX. It's impersonal and it's a bit threatening, because you're never sure if your message of "No" will get through to the kind of guy that's hitting on you so hardcore. Oh this reminds me of an incident when I was about, oh, 19 years old at some dance at a local rec center. Some skeevy old guy was going around grabbing girls *sses. My girlfriend came up to me and told me about it... A few minutes later, the guy got around to me.... I chased this sorry perv into the men's bathroom. I patiently waited outside, of course. Every few minutes, he'd poke his head out to see if I were still there. Oh yea. I'd tell him... 'yea, buddy, you aren't so cool now are you? why don't you be a real man and get your *ss out here?" By then, I had a couple of other young ladies he'd accosted to back me up. We kept him 'locked' in there for at least a good half hour... having to face the grins of the other gentlemen who walked in there and knew he was getting proverbial come-uppance by a bunch of teenaged girls. Ah... the good 'ol days
AHardDaysNight Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 It happened to me once in high school, and it didn't make me feel good. I avoided the person.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 Why would we treat you the way we hate being treated? Have it happen to you enough times and you'd get disgusted by it too. But do women really hate being treated that way...? Or does it depend on the guy treating them like that? I.e., if the guy was uber hot, would women eat the creepiness up? Especially those women who post the bikini and cleavage shots all over their online dating profiles and then go on to complain in their profile that they are sick of men only after one thing...it's mind boggling...
Author USMCHokie Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 Oh this reminds me of an incident when I was about, oh, 19 years old at some dance at a local rec center. Some skeevy old guy was going around grabbing girls *sses. My girlfriend came up to me and told me about it... A few minutes later, the guy got around to me.... I chased this sorry perv into the men's bathroom. I patiently waited outside, of course. Every few minutes, he'd poke his head out to see if I were still there. Oh yea. I'd tell him... 'yea, buddy, you aren't so cool now are you? why don't you be a real man and get your *ss out here?" By then, I had a couple of other young ladies he'd accosted to back me up. We kept him 'locked' in there for at least a good half hour... having to face the grins of the other gentlemen who walked in there and knew he was getting proverbial come-uppance by a bunch of teenaged girls. Ah... the good 'ol days My ex and I were wandering around after a movie looking for a place to hang out. I like to try new places. We went into a bar that looked interesting from the outside, and it was the only place for a few blocks. I noticed the look on the face of the guy at the door. He was waiting for me to realize what we'd gotten into: a gay bar. I was more like a gay strip club or something. I didn't make it 6 inches through the door before we turned around and left. Nah. That's not for me. The guy at the door and my ex laughed. Good times. Hahah, good times indeed. I've had my run-ins with gay folks at bars. There was once this time I was out with some friends in DC and standing around talking in a bar. For some reason, I always end up in that position in the circle that everyone walking by has to brush up against to get by, so I'm used to getting my space intruded on when people walk by. It's usually just a hand on the shoulder or something like that...but this one time, this tall, lanky black guy was walking by...touched my shoulder, then down my back, and then grabbed my ass...then walked on by like it was nothing... Hey, it's only awkward if you let it be...
verhrzn Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 But do women really hate being treated that way...? Or does it depend on the guy treating them like that? I.e., if the guy was uber hot, would women eat the creepiness up? Especially those women who post the bikini and cleavage shots all over their online dating profiles and then go on to complain in their profile that they are sick of men only after one thing...it's mind boggling... The old saying goes that women are fickle, and even as a woman, I don't necessarily disagree. What I would caution against is assuming it's the attractiveness of the man that will effect a girl's reaction... Women (whether biologically or socially conditioned) don't think about attraction in the same way men do. A guy's physical attractiveness is a very small percentage of a woman's attraction to him. A guy being "uber hot" really wouldn't matter too much... I've seen women reject guys who are uber hot for being creepy or jerky or "weird." A woman could be fickle about a guy "treating her like a piece of meat" for hundreds of different reasons. The exact same guy could treat her in the exact same way two days in a row, and one day she'll respond positively and the next she'll be annoyed. As to the girls who post cleavage shots and then complain that men only want one thing... Well, they're hypocrites, but there are hypocrites in both genders. It's like guys who put up profiles on dating sites saying they want a serious relationship, then say to a girl on a first date," Oh I only want to date casually...." Contradictions and hypocrisy are factors of the human race, not just men OR women.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Four words for you: Lady Gaga Meat Dress.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 The old saying goes that women are fickle, and even as a woman, I don't necessarily disagree. ...... A woman could be fickle about a guy "treating her like a piece of meat" for hundreds of different reasons. The exact same guy could treat her in the exact same way two days in a row, and one day she'll respond positively and the next she'll be annoyed. Geez...no wonder my roommate says she could never live with a girl... Get it together, ladies! As to the girls who post cleavage shots and then complain that men only want one thing... Well, they're hypocrites, but there are hypocrites in both genders. It's like guys who put up profiles on dating sites saying they want a serious relationship, then say to a girl on a first date," Oh I only want to date casually...." Contradictions and hypocrisy are factors of the human race, not just men OR women. I totally agree that these individuals exist on both sides, but the men definitely win out here. Either women don't care because the guy's hot enough, or it becomes her mission to change the guy and make him relationship minded with her, so she sleeps with the guy anyway until he's done with her and finds someone new. Then she gets bitter and blames all men, while he scores with another girl who's convinced that she can change him. Like I've said before, online dating heavily favors the most physically attractive men; not women, as I had believed before...
phineas Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 ...? I think that would be cool...but as seen in another thread, why are women so offended by it...? Honestly, without actions being followed through by such meat treating it's fairly useless to me. I mean seriously got a woman at work sending me txts about how good my butt looked in jeans & how she'd love to see my buns in slim-fits but...it's just useless flirting to me. Though being a former fat guy I gotta say it helps loads because all I do is focus on the last bits of fat still on my body instead of the big picture.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 The opposite of a woman being treated like a piece of meat, is a man being used for his money. Most healthy people don't just want to be used for their bodies or their money. While some men will make cute little comments about wanting to treated like a piece of meat, you will never hear these same men make cute little comments about desiring being treated like a money machine.
ThsAmericanLife Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 The opposite of a woman being treated like a piece of meat, is a man being used for his money. Most healthy people don't just want to be used for their bodies or their money. While some men will make cute little comments about wanting to treated like a piece of meat, you will never hear these same men make cute little comments about desiring being treated like a money machine. Good analogy.
verhrzn Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I totally agree that these individuals exist on both sides, but the men definitely win out here. Either women don't care because the guy's hot enough, or it becomes her mission to change the guy and make him relationship minded with her, so she sleeps with the guy anyway until he's done with her and finds someone new. Then she gets bitter and blames all men, while he scores with another girl who's convinced that she can change him. Like I've said before, online dating heavily favors the most physically attractive men; not women, as I had believed before... And men continue to email the cleavage-baring MySpace girl, regardless of how atrociously she acts, which confirms her belief that men are after only one thing and it doesn't matter about her personality, so she continues to act entitled/stupid/slutty/whatever. Men and women like this act the way they do because their actions are reinforced by the other sex. If their behavior didn't yield any results, they'd switch tactics. So let's not do the whole "oh men are so much better" or "women have it so much harder." Men and women both have different challenges in the dating world, and both are difficult from a certain point of view.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 And men continue to email the cleavage-baring MySpace girl, regardless of how atrociously she acts, which confirms her belief that men are after only one thing and it doesn't matter about her personality, so she continues to act entitled/stupid/slutty/whatever. Men and women like this act the way they do because their actions are reinforced by the other sex. If their behavior didn't yield any results, they'd switch tactics. So let's not do the whole "oh men are so much better" or "women have it so much harder." Men and women both have different challenges in the dating world, and both are difficult from a certain point of view. Agreed. It's the chicken and the egg...and one would not exist without the another. And I agree that we don't need to flood another thread with this endless back and forth.
Author USMCHokie Posted August 28, 2011 Author Posted August 28, 2011 The opposite of a woman being treated like a piece of meat, is a man being used for his money. Most healthy people don't just want to be used for their bodies or their money. While some men will make cute little comments about wanting to treated like a piece of meat, you will never hear these same men make cute little comments about desiring being treated like a money machine. Yes and no to the analogy. In this day and age, women have similar earning power to men, so men can also use women for their money (though certainly not as commonplace as women using men). And women can also use men for their bodies... So I think all this using is gender-neutral...using is using, whether it's a man, woman, body, or money...they'll use whatever you've got...and if you've got it, you are a lot less sensitive to being used for it...e.g., if I was being used for money, I'd be pissed, because I don't necessarily have a lot of it, whereas the ballers probably don't care so much because money is in no short supply to them...
AHardDaysNight Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Women like meatheads, and men like whores. That's simply the way things work.
Nexus One Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 I don't get you Hokie, why do you want something superficial so badly? At least that's what I've been distilling from your posts. Why not just get a girlfriend that you find attractive and have a meaningful relationship? In my opinion that's a lot more appealing than f*cking some random sl*t that sees you as a piece of meat. Obviously you want to bang, but you can do that with a girlfriend, so what gives?
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Yes and no to the analogy. In this day and age, women have similar earning power to men, so men can also use women for their money (though certainly not as commonplace as women using men). And women can also use men for their bodies... So I think all this using is gender-neutral...using is using, whether it's a man, woman, body, or money...they'll use whatever you've got...and if you've got it, you are a lot less sensitive to being used for it...e.g., if I was being used for money, I'd be pissed, because I don't necessarily have a lot of it, whereas the ballers probably don't care so much because money is in no short supply to them... Yes..yes I know..We are women, hear us roar. This doesn't change the fundementals. I didn't claim that my comment applied to everyone. Women generally aren't used for their money, as you agreed. Stereotypically, a woman is more likely to use a man for money and a man is more likely to use a woman for just sex or her body.Yes women have more earning power now. This hasn't changed this fundemental by much. But I agree that using is using is using no matter who you are and it's never any good. But typically a man will more readily use a woman for her body and a woman will more readily use a man for his money, if there is any using to be had.
Cypress25 Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 But do women really hate being treated that way...? Or does it depend on the guy treating them like that? I.e., if the guy was uber hot, would women eat the creepiness up? Does "no" really mean "no"? Of course it does, and an attractive creep is just as creepy as an unattractive creep. If a hot girl walked up to a guy and offered to have sex with him, he would feel flattered. If a hot guy walked up to a girl and offered to have sex with her, she would feel threatened. Do you see the difference? A man looking at a woman like a piece of meat is offensive, but it's also frightening. Whether he's attractive or not makes no difference. If a man looks at me that way, it makes me afraid and I would start looking for the nearest exit. Men don't experience that fear in their interactions with women.
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