Around what age do women start to become less desirable

[Woggle]

Older women tend to be more mature and less prone to drama and dare I say it more fun. They realized you can have fun without being all wild and crazy all the time. Nothing wrong with that some of the time but you can take a drama free vacation with them. I never had a drama free vacation with my ex who was two years younger than me.

[Eve]

Except, of course, that women hit their sexual prime in their late 30s!

 

Hormone therapy?!

 

Yes, this is very true! Prime with a capital 'P'..

 

Although I find the cougar scene altogether pretentious, I can sort of understand it in regard to the increase in zonal intensity at that stage of life!

 

I suppose it is a case of being each to his or her own preference but I reckon older women are beautiful. I have always thought this and wouldn't bother with comparing them to younger ladies. Comparisons can only make a person vain or bitter!

 

A woman is worth more than her looks...

 

Take care,

Eve x

[ThsAmericanLife]

Don't accuse me unless you can back it up. Accusing someone of having a double identity when it can be proven that I am not Elysian Powder should be grounds for having YOU banned. I DARE you to to contact a mod (Tony) and have him check our IP's which will PROVE that we are not the same person. Or maybe I should PM him myself and let him know that you accused me of being someone else. He can trace our IP's and see our ISP's. Mine is from Socal. Don't know where Elysian Powder is from.

 

I take accusations seriously. You just messed with the wrong person.

 

You know what, I am going to contact a mod now and ask him to post in this thread because YOU accused me me of being Elysian Powder. Do you feel special now?

 

You seem a bit sensitive for a person who values 'honesty' so much.

 

I haven't 'accused' you of anything. Just pointing out similarities in your viewpoints. To be HONEST (a quality you say you admire), both of you value appearances quite alot. Believe it or not, I really did think you both would have alot in common... the similarities are striking. You claim to be hot stuff... into status possessions. You have a disdain for 'ugly' people (I recall your words were 'someone needs to work at McDonalds).

 

As far as picking on the wrong person...

 

You ought to weigh carefully your reasons for hitting the moderator button... it's not like you get an unlimited number of those... Or is this your way of bullying people??

 

You've said some pretty obnoxious things on this thread. Perhaps we should all moderate you.... naah... Not worth it.

[ThsAmericanLife]

Back to the age thing...

 

Diana Nyad... got to admire her determination. This isn't about what is 'hot' or desirable. But pursuing one's goals in life... being the best person you can be... and not letting anything stop you (including what others think about your desirability).

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/diana-nyad-disappointed-cuba-fla-swim-cut-short-14605066

 

She's 62. Swam 92 miles over 40 hours. This... I love.

 

Swimming face first into jellyfish? Not so much.

[eatNrM]

Back to the age thing...

 

Diana Nyad... got to admire her determination. This isn't about what is 'hot' or desirable. But pursuing one's goals in life... being the best person you can be... and not letting anything stop you (including what others think about your desirability).

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/diana-nyad-disappointed-cuba-fla-swim-cut-short-14605066

 

She's 62. Swam 92 miles over 40 hours. This... I love.

 

Swimming face first into jellyfish? Not so much.

 

I think women can carry their sexy factor well into their latter years. Whether thats 20, 30, 40, 50, etc year olds. For example, I'm sure some of us saw americanlife's prior avatar, and that body of hers easily rivals women in their 20's and 30's. I really do think it all comes down to how you take care of yourself. And part of being sexy is also in the mind. Because when you know youre sexy in your mind, you typically do things that keep you that way.

[drew123]

I think women become sexier the older they are. I'm in my early forties, and I'll date any woman of any age as long as she conveys confidence. Also, the older women are, the better they are in bed. No doubt about it. Stay in shape, be confident, be sexy, and men will always be interested.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I'm older than Methuselah, and I am still able to be desirable to my husband, as long as I'm wearing the mask.

[eatNrM]

I'm older than Methuselah, and I am still able to be desirable to my husband, as long as I'm wearing the mask.

 

A Meth- what? A mask?

 

?? Confused haha

[fatalcharm]

WHAT? I am also turning 28 in December, and I feel that I am just reaching my prime. I look and feel more attractive than I was 5 years ago and have more men chasing me than I did back then too. I must admit that I do take much better care of myself than I did 5 years ago, and do look (kinda) young for my age.

 

I have always been taught that women are at their sexiest in their 30's and as I get closer to that age, I would have to agree. I was a little clueless when I was younger and looking back on old photos I cringe. I now know how to take care of myself, what looks good on me and what doesn't, I have higher self confidence and in my own opinion, look more attractive.

 

If you are feeling bad about yourself, join a martial arts class or something. You will get fit, but more importantly it will bring you confidence. Confidence is the sexiest thing a woman could ever wear.

[AHardDaysNight]

Your prime are your 30's. Everything is downhill from there.

[Sanman]

I'm older than Methuselah, and I am still able to be desirable to my husband, as long as I'm wearing the mask.

 

 

If that is true, do you consider the bible contemporary fiction?

Edited September 29, 2011 by Sanman

[123321]

..... older men have been linked to many contributions in defects in their off spring just like older women have been.

 

If your definition of "just like" is "a barely detectable statistical difference and a change of several orders of magnitude are the same" then yeah, otherwise, not so much "just like".

[Am4Real]

Undesirable to who?

[FitChick]

Your prime are your 30's. Everything is downhill from there.

 

Speak for yourself!

[Disenchantedly Yours]

By age that age forty percent of the sperm is of abnormal/unhealthy quality.

 

What's amusing is at that age is when women's egg quality declines.

 

Women lose quantity then quality first. While men lose quality then quantity first. Nature has always amused me.

 

That is amusing Udolipixie! I always believed that nature was always about balance. WHich is why I HATE when people say that we aren't meant to be monogamous. It's not a matter of us being meant for one thing over the other. Both monogamy and having many partners support two different but important biological factors. That's just a tangent though.

 

Nature didn't create a system where it wanted older men mating with younger women. Nature cares nothing about bank accounts and wallets. Society created that mirage. Nature wants young women mating with young men so that both parents are at their fitess and most energetic. Lets be honest, a 25 year old man is going to have more muscle and energy in protecting a family then a 40 year old man in most cases. HOWEVER, that means NOTHING when life is what you make of it. There are plenty of attractive older 40 year old men and women. You can stew in your bitterness about the opposite sex and they did or didn't give you that you feel you are entitled too..(money, youth, beauty...) Or you can treat people like people.

 

My mom is in her 50s and she still gets hit on by me around her own age.

[Nexus One]

Nature didn't create a system where it wanted older men mating with younger women.

 

The average age of couples around the world differs by 4 years on average. Men in relationships are on average 4 to 5 years older than their female partners. That's from worldwide censuses.

 

Regarding the sperm, men produce less sperm cells the older they get, but even 1 sperm cell is enough to impregnate a woman. Men technically can get children even at the age of 75 and up as they produce sperm throughout their life. There can be some health risks for children of very old men though, but that starts at a relatively high age.

 

As a man I can also tell you that intuitively most of us gravitate towards younger women. That doesn't mean we wouldn't ever start a relationship with an older woman, but that's an exception to the rule.

 

Also when I look on online dating websites, then most profiles of women list that they're looking for a guy that's older than them.

 

I'm not saying this out of promotion in regards to older guys dating younger women, I'm just listing some facts. In my opinion age is just a number though, couples should be happy together, that's what counts. A man can be happy with a woman younger than him, as old as him and older than him.

[123321]

Nature didn't create a system where it wanted older men mating with younger women. Nature cares nothing about bank accounts and wallets. Society created that mirage.

This shows a stunning lack of understanding of basic human social history and biology.

 

 

 

Also when I look on online dating websites, then most profiles of women list that they're looking for a guy that's older than them.

 

Women lie about their age and weight, men lie about their income/career and height. As one researcher so plainly put it, "women are sex objects and men are success objects."

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Nexus, I've read statistics more close to 2-3 years older then their female partners. Not exactly a big difference. Even 2-5 years isn't really huge. Sometimes you can't even tell the difference between someone that is 18 and 22. At those ages you are still going to be basically on the same track. Anything over 5 years seems to be a much bigger difference. Still, most couples I know don't even have 5 years between them. And if they do, that's their choice if it works out for them.

 

What is grating is all the threads on here is the talk about how worthless women are or become with age and the nonsense about how much better men are and become. It's not true. Men don't become golden calfs with age. It has less to do with age differences and more to do with this bitter mentality that a number of men on here seem to foster about themselves and women that are quite astonishingly limiting to the potential of both.

 

Again, nature doesn't support a system where older men are the primes and younger men aren't. Younger men are the primes biologically, just like younger women. Younger men have the muscle mass and youth to have children and protect their families. It's only our culture that has hindered the development of both young men and women. The idea that older men are the primes is more of a socially accepted way of life amoung men, perpuated by men, who didn't want their worth to the world to decrease while controlling womens. Newsflash, no one wants their worth to decrease.

 

On a positive note, it's not something the world perpepuates as much anymore. People are less interested in seeing aging Harrison Fords with young Rachael McAdams then they use to be. They want to see young Rachael McAdams with young Ryan Gosling.

 

While I think older men and younger women relationships can work with love, it's not what "nature/biology" intended. The fact that men's sperm changes at 30 is not nature telling men to "go ge them Tiger". Older fathers have been linked to defects in their off spring and more information is being gathered everyday. The affects are not mearly minimal. They use to only research how women affected their off spring and ignored the male contribution to that and the aren't doing that as much anymore. At the end of the day, it's the older dads own off spring that possibly might suffer for older men delaying having children or even ridiculously touting the ability to have children at 75. Although I suspect the ability for a man to have a child at 75 is actually a unicorn more then it is an everyday occurance. Men have issues with fertility with age. They experience more problems with ED and a lessening libido with age as well. Other signals from nature on how men slow down with age. Just like women do. It's not rocket science. Plus, being a father is so much more then your ability to actually have kids. If you are suggesting 75 year old men should be having kids I don't know what to tell you.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

This shows a stunning lack of understanding of basic human social history and biology.

 

Aww, but see that's your problem. You are combining basic human social history with biology. The two are not dependent on each other. There are many social constructs that aren't biologically driven. Such as I pointed out to Nexus about how the world developed into supporting older men, not because they are more biologically sound choices, but because of the a very patriachic world we live in. Basic human social history shows us that men perpeuated their worth over women. Basic human biology shows us that both young men and young women are the best biologica partners for offspring. But please feel free to justify your above comment with some facts of your own.

[mysteriousbox]

I'd vote for once the second baby is on the way/out the door regardless of age. /shrug

[123321]

Basic human social history shows us that men perpeuated their worth over women.

 

Not true, overwhelmingly throughout history men have been used as disposable work and fighting machines to provide for and protect women. Indeed, that continues to this very moment. Almost all people who die on the job are men, and 100% of all American conscriptees killed in all American wars have been men, for instance.

 

The best mate has for most of history been the woman best able to bear many healthy children (healthy and young) and the man best able to both father and provide for them; for most of recorded history that has been a socially OR physically powerful person; for instance the well off or ruling classes often practiced polygyny; it was better reproductively for several women to share a powerful or rich man that to each have a poor or weak one.

 

Whether that is still true is open for debate but the genetic and social programming for it is undeniably there still.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

123321

Not true, overwhelmingly throughout history men have been used as disposable work and fighting machines to provide for and protect women. Indeed, that continues to this very moment. Almost all people who die on the job are men, and 100% of all American conscriptees killed in all American wars have been men, for instance.

 

Yes, men have a higher rate of dying in job related incidences because men are more likely to take high risk testosterone fueled jobs then women are to begin with. Not because anyone is forcing these men to take these jobs but because men seem to have risker approach in general. It's why men engage in high injury sports more then women do as well.

 

 

The best mate has for most of history been the woman best able to bear many healthy children (healthy and young) and the man best able to both father and provide for them; for most of recorded history that has been a socially OR physically powerful person; for instance the well off or ruling classes often practiced polygyny; it was better reproductively for several women to share a powerful or rich man that to each have a poor or weak one.

 

I agree that the best mates for the epitome of healthy children is healthy young women. (On a side note, 9-12 year old girls start getting their periods and just because they biologically can have children, doesn't mean they should I hope we can agree.) But it's also true of men. The best mates for the epitome of healthy children is healthy young men. That is the very first and most obvious biological imperitive. Imperitives about how the child is taken care come after that first fact. The fact that younger parents have a higher chance of having a healthy child then older ones. Nature supports a system where both young men and women are the best biological partners to sire off spring. Which is why men's sperm quality dips when he hits 30. It's also why as men age, in most cases, their libido's decrease and experience more possible issues with ED. Men age. It's nothing to be ashamed about. They loose their hair, they gain weight, they grow ear hair. They don't become the best biological matches any more. Now, please understand, this is all about biology only. I am in on way saying older men or older women can't have healthy children and be wonderful parents. Many of course do and will be wonderful parents. But if we are going to use the "biology" argument for women, then lets be honest enough about the "biology" argument for men as well. Men don't live in a bubble where they don't age. And they aren't aging at a slower rate then women. They are aging right along us.

 

Now looks at a secondary motivation for survival. Provider and protector. This only comes after there are actual children and women to protect. Provider also doesn't just mean the man with the biggest bucks back in the day. Provider use to mean the man that could bring home the game from hunting and ward off enemies if they threatened his family. Biologically, who has a higher chance of of being strong enough to hold off an enemy? A 25 year old man at the prime in his muscle mass? Or a 45 year old man that has to fight for his muslce mass as he ages?

 

Which brings me to social construct vs biological. A system was created that enabled men to tout their own worth over younger men and younger and older woman alike. This social construct, the idea that older men are the best partners, has nothing to do with reality, truth or science but only a social system set up that favored men. Clearly in a social construct, money comes into play. But it still has nothing to do with the pure biological worth of a man. Which is no better then that of a woman. Older men are not the best biological partners to have children with. And since the argument about a man's interest in younger women always leads to a man saying how it's about biology, then we need to be honest about how biology honors both young men and young women.

Edited October 2, 2011 by Disenchantedly Yours

[AHardDaysNight]

Oh great, my sperm will be worthless past age 30. That is only a year away, that makes me feel great (as a virgin!)

 

*beats head against wall*

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Dude, it's not worthless, but all our bodies change with age.

[mesmerized]

 

Which brings me to social construct vs biological. A system was created that enabled men to tout their own worth over younger men and younger and older woman alike. This social construct, the idea that older men are the best partners, has nothing to do with reality, truth or science but only a social system set up that favored men. Clearly in a social construct, money comes into play. But it still has nothing to do with the pure biological worth of a man. Which is no better then that of a woman. Older men are not the best biological partners to have children with. And since the argument about a man's interest in younger women always leads to a man saying how it's about biology, then we need to be honest about how biology honors both young men and young women.

 

So true and honestly, obvious. I don't know how people can't see this. Sexually, we are all for the most part attracted to young/good looking/healthy people. If dating younger men was more socially acceptable and women weren't made to feel insecure about it, you bet they would rather have sex with a young guy who can get his penis up rather than an older guy who can't. Studies also show that they have a better chance of fertility by doing so. However, like you mentioned, the social constructs have favored men in this manner and still to this day, they try to make women insecure if they choose to do things that are not considered the norm. Women don't marry unattractive men because attractiveness/youthfulness is not important, they usually do so only because it's a safer choice and they won't have to worry about the man leaving them later. It's probably one of the reasons a lot of women stop having sex after a while into marriage, they probably never were really sexually attracted to those men in the first place.