Your view on male virginity vs male use of prostitution

[Elysian Powder]

If you go around trying to "make connections," you'll just get a bunch of female whom will NEVER let you insert yourself into them. You'll just be that "nice guy" whom they will keep you at am arm's length so the "friendship doesn't get ruined."

 

Purposefully go about your buisiness and avoid any emotional attachment, and magically, her legs open.

 

It's funny how it works :/

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And quite telling. every boy should be taught this truism; be a woman's friend, she buys you the tissue paper for you to later masturbate, whereas the man who doesn't bother with emotional connections is banging. I am certain no man would ever complain about sexually frustration if men were taught to be real men, instead of good friends to women.

[Cracker Jack]

Any man can be a walking psychologist. Most women are friendly and nice to a guy they just met because that's how they build an army of suckers, orbiters, men who provide the emotional support and tenderness, anchors to a woman's problems and insecurities; but they don't **** the woman.

 

A friend of mine is an average guy and has a pleasant personality. He'll try to help out people if he can. He met a woman in her 30's who was in a sorrowful state over her boyfriend's lack of interest and indifferent treatment(he wouldn't even **** her).

 

This sucker made sure that she was fine, never expected anything from her, but sadly developed feelings for her. One week after she meets a douchebag and ****s him. What was my friend's reward?

 

He got to hear how much she enjoyed sucking the guy's dick.

 

 

Sounds like one of my situations....I tried to play Dr. Feelgood one too many times. I'm not even upset anymore, but I realize that it was a flawed outlook on my part. Oh, well. Better to learn this now at 23 than much later.

[Elysian Powder]

Sounds like one of my situations....I tried to play Dr. Feelgood one too many times. I'm not even upset anymore, but I realize that it was a flawed outlook on my part.

Oh, well. Better to learn this now at 23 than much later.

 

I know of guys who learned this in their teens. We're giving great strides into the journey of true independence, and one day every man will be immune to women's bs, lies, and women won't be able of manipulating men anymore.

[aj22one]

And those are the boys who are virgins in their 20's while the guys who couldn't care less about the girl's feelings lost their virginity at the age of 15. How many guys have been friend-zoned? From the very first man who thought to himself, ''maybe if I am romantic, caring, or if I try to create a real emotional connection with her by using other methods, she'll start caring for me in that special way,'' to the young man who thinks that young women are interested in the sullen, ''lost boy smile'' of the main protagonist of Twilight.

 

His 6'4'' height and Angelic good-looks have nothing to do with it, nope, just part of the decoration.

 

This is not pleasant, but women don't give advice that works. Women teach men how to be good friends to women, but sadly, most women differentiate friendship from lust or love, and most will not have their best friend, or a ''great emotional connection'' with the boyfriend or with the fwb; but with their BMF(best male friend).

 

Who is the BMF? The man who tries to form an emotional connection with her before having sex with her.

 

Yes, I'm sure one or two of you need friendship first for a romantic relationship to have it's legs formed, but here's news for ya; one woman, two women, a hundred women, are not the whole of womanhood.

 

Look, guys. It doesn't make any sense to be in your 20's and still a virgin. This is the century of sex; condoms sold a the price of bubblegum, condoms being given for free at youth centers; young women starting the pill in their teens, Brazilian waxing, lingerie, porn, high-level prostitution.

 

I'll talk to you about a personal experience. Back at high school, our teachers made us treat young women as if they were ladies of long ago. We'd get up as soon as a female appeared; we'd carry their books, we'd take them home.

 

Do you think that any of these guys had any sex? LOL. Only a handful of the guys from that high school had sex, and in all of those guys, the need to form an emotional connection with the girls was non-existent; women enjoy courteous treatment but how you make a woman feel is no guarantee that you'll get sex or a relationship.

 

Years later, I found the same situation happening in college. The guys who tried to make a connection with women were last in line; most of them never managed to find a date, and most of them never had a girlfriend. The douchebags, the bad boys, the casanovas and the players are never in need for dating advice; learn from them. Drain them from their wisdom.

 

Don't bother with women's advice; you think Fort Knox is going to give the gold for free?

 

More or less 100% true. Although I'm willing to bet you're going to get a lot "nuh uh" responses. Only because they either know it's true or because they really don't know how true this is.

[Elysian Powder]

More or less 100% true. Although I'm willing to bet you're going to get a lot "nuh uh" responses. Only because they either know it's true or because they really don't know how true this is.

 

The white knights are going to be faithful to their feminist indoctrination in the hopes of one day finding that one woman who probes his heart long enough to realize how good of a partner he can be(never mind that the woman has had dozens of sexual partners),and the women are more than naturally going to deny this, with the majority of them ignoring my posts, or they're gonna wait until a white knight shows up to defend their purity and the goodness of their sex.

 

meh. If I cared about what women think of me, I would be a white knight.

 

First they have to conquer Ancient Persia or compose the 9th symphony. Then I might concede them my patience and respect.

[udolipixie]

Its two seperate themes i see alot here on LS. Men who are virgins are often shunned. However men who use prostitutes not so much. Where im from thats extremely backwards. I personally could not bring myself to prostitution. Ever. Even on the slowest months i could never do it. Its just too shameful for me.

 

Male virginity on the other hand can be admirable. As long as the person isnt someone who complains about it. And most men who aren't most like screwed women below their standards. So. Whats your thoughts on this?

 

I admire men who chose to be virgins not men who are virgins by circumstance.

 

As for prostitution as long as it's done in a place that's legal and it's not with a minor not of consent age and not a child I'm okay. People will make their own decisions. I wouldn't date a man who visited a prostitute though.

[udolipixie]

She had dozens upon dozens of young men dotting on her. They were gentlemen; accommodating, honest, faithful, and great friends. All of these guys were everything a father would want for his child. Considerate and patient, these guys established an emotional connection with her, they were always there for her; they invested years and years, money and emotion on her.

 

Your point?

 

Just because they could have made good fathers and husbands doesn't mean that they were right for her.

 

It's about attraction and good qualities.

 

With human nature when most are willing to forgo one it's usually the good qualities. Most people will pick eye candy over unattractive/no sex appeal good quality.

 

Plenty of lonely true ladies who would make good mothers that actually fit the description of the girl you posted with the exception that they don't have their looks.

 

What was the result of following the advice their mothers gave to them?

These guys were mislead and believed how you treated a person was the main way to attract a partner rather than attraction and how you treat a person.

 

It's just like fathers telling their daughters looks don't matter and it's only about how good of a person you are.

 

It's about attraction and personality.

 

3 years of blue balls and they had to listen everyday to how amazing they were, but she ''wasn't'' ready for a relationship.

 

Aka she wasn't ready for a relationship with them because she wasn't attracted to them. It's about attraction and personality.

 

No different from a guy going just for looks and telling her he's not ready for a relationship.

 

In this case she just decided to opt out on going for just personality.

 

 

emotional connections are a waste of time. Women are attracted to handsome men as much as any man is attracted to beautiful women; become a good-looking man, then you are able to leave behind the vagina veneration and the real fun begins.

Emotional connections are only a waste if you aren't looking for emotional bonding and a relationship with some depth.

 

Not sure how come guys don't get why girls often overlook guys with just personality/good qualities. It's common in human nature to want both attraction and personality/good qualities however most when given the choice if they had to forgo one they would choose to pursue just attraction.

[udolipixie]

A friend of mine is an average guy and has a pleasant personality. He'll try to help out people if he can. He met a woman in her 30's who was in a sorrowful state over her boyfriend's lack of interest and indifferent treatment(he wouldn't even **** her).

 

This sucker made sure that she was fine, never expected anything from her, but sadly developed feelings for her. One week after she meets a douchebag and ****s him. What was my friend's reward?

 

He got to hear how much she enjoyed sucking the guy's dick.

Reward? So how should he have been rewarded for ensuring she was fine?

 

It's like a girl expecting to be rewarded with commitment and the title of gf for sleeping with a guy.

 

If you want to do things and expect to be rewarded for them at least inform the person you're doing the things for. Did he tell the girl about his feelings? If she said no do you think she was obligated to reward him because he was nice to her?

[Woggle]

What EP posts is 100% truth. The less you care about a woman the more they are all over you. If women want men to form an emotional connection with them then start showing it with actions. Actions speak louder than words and every man I know who has tried both approaches says the exact same thing. Are thet all wrong?

[udolipixie]

And quite telling. every boy should be taught this truism; be a woman's friend, she buys you the tissue paper for you to later masturbate, whereas the man who doesn't bother with emotional connections is banging. I am certain no man would ever complain about sexually frustration if men were taught to be real men, instead of good friends to women.

 

A good turnaround would be that I am certain no woman would ever complain about being used, upgraded, or treated badly if women were taught to be real women in the form of manipulating men and not making emotional attachments instead of good friends to or caring about men.

 

I think being both good friends and sexual being is where most men fail. Most try to be friends so most women mistake a guy who is friendly with no mention of romantic interest in her as wanting to be friends. True success in the form of a healthy relationship would come guys being friendly while informing the girl of their attraction or interest in her.

 

As for them being real men...

[grkBoy]

In my travels, I've come to the conclusion a girl will reject a guy for being a virgin over sleeping with a prostitute.

 

Many women will look at the "easy" girls that guys "pump and dump" as no different than prostitutes.

 

Sorry ladies, but from what I've seen women want experience more than purity.

 

 

I also agree with FitChick's statement on emotional connection, but again I'll point out how much more easily women will reject a guy for the most asinine of reasons, thus the guy at age 25 and up who's still a virgin will have the deck stacked against him as he ages.

 

In all honesty I'd tell guys who are virgins at 22 and up to simply not bring it up. Let her think you're experienced, get over the hump, be a good man to her, and who knows...it might just end up as a solid RL.

[aj22one]

What EP posts is 100% truth. The less you care about a woman the more they are all over you. If women want men to form an emotional connection with them then start showing it with actions. Actions speak louder than words and every man I know who has tried both approaches says the exact same thing. Are thet all wrong?

 

Which brings up the question: can people really blame men for looking at pua forums or books? I mean surely something of value can be found in them, not necessarily to try to hook up with a bunch of women but to use those techniques to try to attract a woman to date.

[carhill]

I hope the young ladies I pursued as a virgin never did the things they did with me with their brothers

 

Decoded: They were quite aware of my sexual desire. There was never any ambiguity. What they did with that was their choice.

 

TBH, I'm finding it hard to argue with the young guys here. They're on it. Good luck.

[udolipixie]

The white knights are going to be faithful to their feminist indoctrination in the hopes of one day finding that one woman who probes his heart long enough to realize how good of a partner he can be(never mind that the woman has had dozens of sexual partners),and the women are more than naturally going to deny this, with the majority of them ignoring my posts, or they're gonna wait until a white knight shows up to defend their purity and the goodness of their sex.

 

meh. If I cared about what women think of me, I would be a white knight.

First they have to conquer Ancient Persia or compose the 9th symphony. Then I might concede them my patience and respect.

 

I'm not sure why I get this bitter impression when you'[re so positive and optimistic about men that you only apply the positive past actions and attributes to men and negate the..raping, pillaging, war crimes, mistreatment of women, sexual assaults, sexual harassment....

 

Maybe it's because you're okay with only positive idealized generalizations being applied and applying credit to men instead of credit to the men who accomplished those feats.

[udolipixie]

I really really wished that things worked that way. But no they don't.

 

Emotional connection without trying to get laid = sexless buddy. I've been there many many times.

 

Think you misunderstood

If boys concentrated less on just trying to get laid and concentrated more on making a real emotional connection with a girl, they would likely wind up getting sex. Funny how that works.

 

 

I got to focus more on an emotional connection not an emotional connection without trying to get laid. Focusing less on something doesn't mean to eliminate it.

 

 

 

As I see it, prostitution for any reason is a dealbreaker for most women.

 

That's why it's just better for a man to never admit it to a woman. It's one of those things that no good will come out of telling the truth.

 

In that case I hope you're okay with women lying about their sexual past.

[aj22one]

In my travels, I've come to the conclusion a girl will reject a guy for being a virgin over sleeping with a prostitute.

 

Many women will look at the "easy" girls that guys "pump and dump" as no different than prostitutes.

 

Sorry ladies, but from what I've seen women want experience more than purity.

 

 

I also agree with FitChick's statement on emotional connection, but again I'll point out how much more easily women will reject a guy for the most asinine of reasons, thus the guy at age 25 and up who's still a virgin will have the deck stacked against him as he ages.

 

In all honesty I'd tell guys who are virgins at 22 and up to simply not bring it up. Let her think you're experienced, get over the hump, be a good man to her, and who knows...it might just end up as a solid RL.

 

Yup. You gotta fake it til you make it.

 

I admire men who chose to be virgins not men who are virgins by circumstance.

 

As for prostitution as long as it's done in a place that's legal and it's not with a minor not of consent age and not a child I'm okay. People will make their own decisions. I wouldn't date a man who visited a prostitute though.

 

This is precisely why I tell men to either a) lie or lie by omission or b) practice date. Because, with the majority of women sharing your opinion a guy who reaches a reasonable age who hasn't had sex is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. I suppose some people would be better off living forever celibate, but I'd like for some guys to at least have a chance.

[AHardDaysNight]

I admire men who chose to be virgins not men who are virgins by circumstance.

 

As for prostitution as long as it's done in a place that's legal and it's not with a minor not of consent age and not a child I'm okay. People will make their own decisions. I wouldn't date a man who visited a prostitute though.

 

Obviously you're not okay with it, if you wouldn't date someone who visited a prostitute.

[udolipixie]

Which brings up the question: can people really blame men for looking at pua forums or books? I mean surely something of value can be found in them, not necessarily to try to hook up with a bunch of women but to use those techniques to try to attract a woman to date.

 

Whose blaming men for pua? I think most are blaming the hypocrisy aka most puas thinking it's okay for men to use mind games and manipulation to get what they want but if a woman does the same it's heinous.

 

As for attracting a woman to date I'm not sure what kind of healthy relationship can develop if the key is to make insults that are backhanded compliments to devalue her so she feels insecure and seeks you for validation.

[udolipixie]

What EP posts is 100% truth. The less you care about a woman the more they are all over you.

The less caring overlooks that it is not a gender thing but a people thing that for some reason some people just like challenges, being mistreated, or like what seems unattainable or distant.

 

As for it being a 100% truth that can be applied to all women since it's 100% true.

 

The equivalent of that would be stating that it's 100% true that the more you play hard to get and try to make a man jealous the more he is all over you.

 

The real factor in both question is just because they are all over you does it mean they truly care for you?

 

It's like saying it's 100% true if you're lie about your feelings and play hot/cold you can use a guy for money?

 

Just because it works doesn't mean that the person it works on is actually wants that type of thing happening to them.

 

If women want men to form an emotional connection with them then start showing it with actions. Actions speak louder than words and every man I know who has tried both approaches says the exact same thing.

 

As for the women should do this if they want men to do that. That's an easy turnaround just like saying if men want women to stop saying men are rapists in waiting then men should start showing it with actions...or inaction. Or saying if men want women to stop saying all men care about is looks then men should start showing it with actions by approaching women they find unattractive or have no attraction to.

 

Were these men you know having a balance of being a good friend and a sexual being? Where they just being friendly or were they friendly and informing her of his attraction and interest?

 

When playing just good qualities versus just attraction most people would go for just attraction.

 

Are thet all wrong?

 

They are wrong when one tries to state it's an absolute truth that can be applied to every women.

 

It's like stating it's 100% true a woman can manipulate and use a man for his money then bleed him dry.

 

While true it's not 100% true because that's an individual and situational truth.

[aj22one]

Whose blaming men for pua? I think most are blaming the hypocrisy aka most puas thinking it's okay for men to use mind games and manipulation to get what they want but if a woman does the same it's heinous.

 

As for attracting a woman to date I'm not sure what kind of healthy relationship can develop if the key is to make insults that are backhanded compliments to devalue her so she feels insecure and seeks you for validation.

 

Well it depends on who struck first so to speak. If a nice decent but somewhat shy dude seeks a strategy to help him be more attractive to women because women unilaterally saw him as unattractive first, then that guy in particular has a gripe about manipulation. He tried it honest the first time, got nowhere so he tried a different approach. Since women have more power than him (not more power than men in general) he's just leveling the playing field.

[AHardDaysNight]

To be fair, someone who tells a woman that he is a virgin if she asks him, is probably deserving of being dumped.

 

There are some things you lie about to women. Is she fat? Is she prettier than that other girl?

 

Are you a virgin? falls into that context of lying. You should never answer that question with "Yes, I am."

[udolipixie]

and gals will babble what an honor it is for a man to be a virgin but when it comes down to eat theyd rather eat dog poo than sleep with him

 

Think you're overlooking a few key words and specifics.

 

Keywords:

Some girls will babble what an honor it is for a man to be a virgin..

 

Some girls will babble what an honor it is for a man to chose to be a virgin.

Example:

I admire men who chose to be virgins not men who are virgins by circumstance.

 

Specifics:

This virgin male to attract the some girls who think it's an honor for a man to be a virgin should have attraction and personality/good qualities. His choice to be a virgin while admirable doesn't compensate or override human need for physical attraction.

[udolipixie]

Well it depends on who struck first so to speak. If a nice decent but somewhat shy dude seeks a strategy to help him be more attractive to women because women unilaterally saw him as unattractive first, then that guy in particular has a gripe about manipulation. He tried it honest the first time, got nowhere so he tried a different approach. Since women have more power than him (not more power than men in general) he's just leveling the playing field.

 

Cool so is it okay for a woman who seeks a strategy to get money easier because she dislikes working or overtime and trying it honestly the first time didn't get her there so she tries a different approach.

 

What about girls who seeks a strategy to get a partner easier because guys find her unilaterally unattractive so she gets pregnant on purpose thereby tying him to her forever?

 

Is that also leveling the playing field?

 

Also in what ways did he try honestly...did he try pursuing girls who saw him as attractive or average? Did he try pushing his shyness boundaries? Did he try pursuing the few girls who preferred personality over personality & attraction?

 

Or is he just a case of he wants what he finds attractive but is upset that what he finds attractive finds him unattractive and he doesn't want to compromise?

[aj22one]

Cool so is it okay for a woman who seeks a strategy to get money easier because she dislikes working or overtime and trying it honestly the first time didn't get her there so she tries a different approach.

 

What about girls who seeks a strategy to get a partner easier because guys find her unilaterally unattractive so she gets pregnant on purpose thereby tying him to her forever?

 

Is that also leveling the playing field?

 

Also in what ways did he try honestly...did he try pursuing girls who saw him as attractive or average? Did he try pushing his shyness boundaries? Did he try pursuing the few girls who preferred personality over personality & attraction?

 

Or is he just a case of he wants what he finds attractive but is upset that what he finds attractive finds him unattractive and he doesn't want to compromise?

 

Eh...I suppose but getting pregnant on purpose also impacts the child that results from said pregnancy so there's other issues involved. But, I think in practice shy men have it the hardest in dating, IMO. I do get the feeling that you don't feel sorry for these dudes you just like to bring up other issues to belittle their problems.

 

And, do you at least agree that a man should not reveal his sexual and/or relationship inexperience to the women he dates?

[AHardDaysNight]

Cool so is it okay for a woman who seeks a strategy to get money easier because she dislikes working or overtime and trying it honestly the first time didn't get her there so she tries a different approach.

 

What about girls who seeks a strategy to get a partner easier because guys find her unilaterally unattractive so she gets pregnant on purpose thereby tying him to her forever?

 

Is that also leveling the playing field?

 

Also in what ways did he try honestly...did he try pursuing girls who saw him as attractive or average? Did he try pushing his shyness boundaries? Did he try pursuing the few girls who preferred personality over personality & attraction?

 

Or is he just a case of he wants what he finds attractive but is upset that what he finds attractive finds him unattractive and he doesn't want to compromise?

 

This happens all the time. It happened 70 years ago, it still happens today.

 

We can argue about custody laws and child support again, but to be honest, I'm tired of bringing up the old arguments.

 

Needless to say, both men AND women will trick and deceive each other into relationships, if they have bad luck in falling in love with someone who is like that.

 

The genuine good people that don't trick, lie, deceive, or manipulate others into liking them are who you should go for. However, it is much easier to manipulate someone into liking you, than to wait for someone who may never appear.